Re: Cover Texts in the automake documentation
Ralf Wildenhues [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Eric Dorland wrote on Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 07:19:59AM CEST: * Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: There are other GNU packages with GFDL manuals that do not have Front and Back Cover Texts, so it's clearly not a mandatory policy. Can you point out specific examples of this? The GNU Libtool manual doesn't. Nor does the GNU M4 manual. Also GNU shishi and GNU Backgammon, to name two other packages I'm involved in packaging for Debian. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/
Re: Cover Texts in the automake documentation
%% Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ra Alexandre Duret-Lutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eric: | Is there any way you might consider dropping the | Front and Back Cover Texts requirements from the manual? Sorry, this is the FSF policy. Not my call. ra There are other GNU packages with GFDL manuals that do not have ra Front and Back Cover Texts, so it's clearly not a mandatory ra policy. Unfortunately, the rest of us aren't really in a position ra to talk to the right people to get this changed, whereas the ra official Automake maintainers would be. Could you try? It's my understanding (and I'm in no way speaking for the FSF here) that if the manual is published by the FSF as a book, with an ISBN etc., it has to have these front and back cover texts. Those texts only exist in the printed forms of the manual (since the front and back covers referred to by the texts only exist in printed forms of the manual). However, I have no idea whether or not this is a mandatory requirement for all GNU packages with published manuals. -- --- Paul D. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Find some GNU make tips at: http://www.gnu.org http://make.paulandlesley.org Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional. --Mad Scientist
Re: Cover Texts in the automake documentation
* Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Alexandre Duret-Lutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eric: | Is there any way you might consider dropping the | Front and Back Cover Texts requirements from the manual? Sorry, this is the FSF policy. Not my call. There are other GNU packages with GFDL manuals that do not have Front and Back Cover Texts, so it's clearly not a mandatory policy. Unfortunately, Can you point out specific examples of this? the rest of us aren't really in a position to talk to the right people to get this changed, whereas the official Automake maintainers would be. Could you try? -- Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 9934 27A0 8E1C 2B0A 61E9 8ECF 16D9 70C6 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s++: a-- C+++ UL+++ P++ L++ E++ W++ N+ o K- w+ O? M++ V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t++ 5++ X+ R tv++ b+++ DI+ D+ G e h! r- y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Cover Texts in the automake documentation
* Alexandre Duret-Lutz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Eric: | Is there any way you might consider dropping the | Front and Back Cover Texts requirements from the manual? Sorry, this is the FSF policy. Not my call. I am unable to find this policy. Looking here: http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/License-for-Manuals.html#License-for-Manuals, it states manuals should use GFDL but does not say there need be invariant sections. Looking at the GFDL howto (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl-howto.html), it states: Is it required for the document to have invariant sections? No. It is perfectly acceptable for a document to have no invariant sections. Could you please point out where the FSF have made this policy? -- Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 9934 27A0 8E1C 2B0A 61E9 8ECF 16D9 70C6 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s++: a-- C+++ UL+++ P++ L++ E++ W++ N+ o K- w+ O? M++ V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t++ 5++ X+ R tv++ b+++ DI+ D+ G e h! r- y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Cover Texts in the automake documentation
Hi Eric, * Eric Dorland wrote on Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 07:19:59AM CEST: * Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: There are other GNU packages with GFDL manuals that do not have Front and Back Cover Texts, so it's clearly not a mandatory policy. Can you point out specific examples of this? The GNU Libtool manual doesn't. Nor does the GNU M4 manual. Cheers, Ralf
Re: Cover Texts in the automake documentation
Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Alexandre Duret-Lutz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Eric: | Is there any way you might consider dropping the | Front and Back Cover Texts requirements from the manual? Sorry, this is the FSF policy. Not my call. Could you please point out where the FSF have made this policy? http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#License-Notices Documentation files should have license notices also. Manuals should use the GNU Free Documentation License. Here is an example of the license notice to use after the copyright notice. Please adjust the list of invariant sections as appropriate for your manual. (If there are none, then say with no invariant sections.) See GNU Sample Texts, for a full example in a Texinfo manual. Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with the Invariant Sections being GNU General Public License, with the Front-Cover Texts being ``A GNU Manual,'' and with the Back-Cover Texts as in (a) below. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled GNU Free Documentation License. (a) The FSF's Back-Cover Text is: ``You are free to copy and modify this GNU Manual. Buying copies from GNU Press supports the FSF in developing GNU and promoting software freedom.'' If the FSF does not publish this manual on paper, then omit the last sentence in (a) that talks about copies from GNU Press. If the FSF is not the copyright holder, then replace FSF with the appropriate name. -- On Perl: It's as if H.P. Lovecraft, returned from the dead and speaking by seance to Larry Wall, designed a language both elegant and terrifying for his Elder Things to write programs in, and forgot that the Shoggoths didn't turn out quite so well in the long run. --Matt Olson
Re: Cover Texts in the automake documentation
* Ben Pfaff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Alexandre Duret-Lutz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Eric: | Is there any way you might consider dropping the | Front and Back Cover Texts requirements from the manual? Sorry, this is the FSF policy. Not my call. Could you please point out where the FSF have made this policy? http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#License-Notices Documentation files should have license notices also. Manuals should use the GNU Free Documentation License. Here is an example of the license notice to use after the copyright notice. Please adjust the list of invariant sections as appropriate for your manual. (If there are none, then say with no invariant sections.) See GNU Sample Texts, for a full example in a Texinfo manual. Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with the Invariant Sections being GNU General Public License, with the Front-Cover Texts being ``A GNU Manual,'' and with the Back-Cover Texts as in (a) below. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled GNU Free Documentation License. (a) The FSF's Back-Cover Text is: ``You are free to copy and modify this GNU Manual. Buying copies from GNU Press supports the FSF in developing GNU and promoting software freedom.'' If the FSF does not publish this manual on paper, then omit the last sentence in (a) that talks about copies from GNU Press. If the FSF is not the copyright holder, then replace FSF with the appropriate name. Darn. That is a *should* and not a *must*. But I'm guessing that since the copyright holder is listed as the FSF, getting this changed will basically be impossible. *Sigh*. Ok, time to pull this sucker apart. -- Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 9934 27A0 8E1C 2B0A 61E9 8ECF 16D9 70C6 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s++: a-- C+++ UL+++ P++ L++ E++ W++ N+ o K- w+ O? M++ V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t++ 5++ X+ R tv++ b+++ DI+ D+ G e h! r- y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Cover Texts in the automake documentation
Alexandre Duret-Lutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eric: | Is there any way you might consider dropping the | Front and Back Cover Texts requirements from the manual? Sorry, this is the FSF policy. Not my call. There are other GNU packages with GFDL manuals that do not have Front and Back Cover Texts, so it's clearly not a mandatory policy. Unfortunately, the rest of us aren't really in a position to talk to the right people to get this changed, whereas the official Automake maintainers would be. Could you try? -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/
Cover Texts in the automake documentation
Hello, Recently, after long deliberations and talks with the FSF, the Debian project voted that GFDL documents containing unmodifiable sections were non-free according to the DFSG (http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001). Please see http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml to understand why Debian objects to parts of the GFDL. Unfortunately, the license for the automake manual contains looks like this: Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, with the Front-Cover texts being ``A GNU Manual,'' and with the Back-Cover Texts as in (a) below. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled ``GNU Free Documentation License.'' (a) The FSF's Back-Cover Text is: ``You have freedom to copy and modify this GNU Manual, like GNU software. Copies published by the Free Software Foundation raise funds for GNU development.'' So as it stands now, I will have to move the documentation into the non-free archive. Is there any way you might consider dropping the Front and Back Cover Texts requirements from the manual? -- Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 9934 27A0 8E1C 2B0A 61E9 8ECF 16D9 70C6 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s++: a-- C+++ UL+++ P++ L++ E++ W++ N+ o K- w+ O? M++ V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t++ 5++ X+ R tv++ b+++ DI+ D+ G e h! r- y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
