Re: [Ayatana] Middle Click Feature For Indicators

2011-08-06 Thread Ted Gould
On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 20:15 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
 Those are very interesting ideas/proposals. I was actually
 a little worried when I read about this, but as long as its
 just a shortcut to the most frequently used menu item
 provided by an indicator, I think it's ok. However...  How do
 we guarantee that this will be consistent between indicators? 
 If it's only available for system indicators, then I think that
 creates an inconsistency itself. But if it's also available to
 appindicators, then how will the middle click action be
 governed? 

It is available for application indicators, and it's governed rather
simply.  The action has to be a visible menu item that is in the menu.
If you hide it, it doesn't work.  If you remove it, it doesn't work.
This way the middle click always remains a power user feature, but not a
hidden feature.  And machines without middle click will never loose
functionality.

As far as which item is chosen, I'm happy to let application authors
play with that.  They know their applications better than I believe we
ever will.

In the end, I expect that OMG Ubuntu readers will know what every middle
click will do and we'll never be able to do a usability study on it
because no normal user will ever find it :-)

--Ted



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Re: [Ayatana] What about the Dash on Oneiric Ocelot ?

2011-08-06 Thread Carl Ansell





I think the simple fact is, it needs to be easy to find applications for a new 
user, and then customisable for the more able users to put exactly what they 
want into the dash. I feel this will take time, probably looking at 12.04 
before this is well implemented.

For example, I would remove 'most frequently used' section, and would want the 
apps for download to appear only when i type something in. And then it would 
need to be a very close match to show up. Also, I would want the main page to 
show a games section rather than files and folders, given that I can use the 
launcher for files icon. And as the dash is not a file browser, I would mainly 
use nautilus anyway.

Obviously, not everyone would want a setup similar to me, which is why 
customisability is imperative. But before this, the basic layout and 
functionality needs to be sorted. You should be able to drag launcher entries 
to the bin to remove the application, or better yet, a small 'remove icon' and 
'uninstall' section on right clicking the icon, allowing for apps to be 
uninstalled or have their launcher entries removed for the current user. The 
drop down category menu needs fewer entries and would benefit from being spread 
out to make switching categories easier. I prefer Unity to GNOME shell, but 
Unity should be looking at the good points about the shell and adapt them to 
suit the style of Unity.Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:23:17 -0500
From: holyknightjos...@gmail.com
To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] What about the Dash on Oneiric Ocelot ?

my mockup still has a section for frequently used but only on the front page of 
the dash and i noted that it was meant to exclude any item on the launcher or 
the bookmarked section i also had in my mockup's front page.  the bookmarked 
section was for easy access to sometimes used but maybe not frequent apps a 
person doesn't use enough to want on their launcher but would still like more 
readily available for them when they do want it. bookmarked section would also 
be useful for people who don't like launchers.

since the frequently used section would have much greater possibility for 
change if it excluded things on the launcher and bookmarked section i think it 
would be more useful and helpful than the current frequent apps sections.

outside of the front page there was no frequently used section and also the 
available for download section was replaced by a single button located at the 
bottom of the dash.

not everyone likes having the apps and filesfolders on the launcher and some 
people don't even like launchers in general.  i personally like the launcher 
but would disable the apps and files lenses on it if i were to use Unity 
instead of Gnome2 as my usual desktop environment.  i still use unity every now 
and then but as i said i don't find it enjoyable.


there's a lot about unity that i think needs to change. i in it's default 11.04 
state i find it usable but not enjoyable. so i'll likely be using something 
else sooner or later unless there end up being more options available in unity. 
 i believe i saw mark shuttleworth (i could be mistaken and it have been 
someone else) post on a different topic quoting a study about how where the app 
menu is doesn't make much of a difference in usability.  while that may be true 
where the app menu is does make a difference in the enjoyment a user has while 
using the app menu.  it might not be much but then unity is filled with 
situations like that for a lot of people and while one thing probably won't 
make or break the deal, multiple things will.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Carl Ansell afccarl1...@hotmail.com wrote:






I would think that there is no need for a frequent apps section at all. The 
apps I use most are on the launcher anyway, so it is wasted space at the top of 
the dash.




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