Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Kitterman wrote on 06/09/11 11:05: S. Christian Collins s.chriscoll...@gmail.com wrote: ... What would be ideal, IMO, would be a check box in the software center for each application that would say something like: Always update to the newest program version available (may be less stable). If anyone sees anything in Ubuntu that suggests using something less stable, please report a bug. :-) I don't know how this would work under the hood (selective access to the backports repository, perhaps), but it would make life much easier for the person who absolutely must have the latest version of Ardour or GIMP, and would help discourage people from adding potentially dangerous PPAs to their systems. Under the hood, this is how backports works now. You have to explicitly pick to install a package from backports (it's enabled by default in oneiric since enabling it doesn't cause packages from backports to be installed) and once you've installed from backports you'll automatically get any updated backports. I'm not sure how well this is exposed in the U/I yet. ... It isn't exposed in the UI yet. I've designed it, now someone just needs to implement it. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#updates - -- mpt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5zT1QACgkQ6PUxNfU6eco8mgCfX9jBWEWEd/QGRCi59c3916qe lVMAnjjpB9F7lt6SCtcyhmdQyTx05kHA =HX2c -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] User-Indicator/Me-Menu shows icon AND user-name (adds clutter to 11.10)
Perhaps the text icon could be connected or placed together without a space separating them? something to make them appear connected? Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:45:42 +0200 From: joerlend.schins...@gmail.com To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Ayatana] User-Indicator/Me-Menu shows icon AND user-name (adds clutter to 11.10) Den 17. sep. 2011 22:35, skrev nick rundy: In the top-panel in the upper-right corner of Oneiric Ocelot where the Indicators list, every indicator has one icon/entry representing it except for the User/Me Indicator. It has two. It displays a human-shaped head/shoulders (bust) AND the written name of the user. It mistakenly gives the impression to users that TWO indicators are represented. Is that a mistake? The text indicates which user is logged in. That might be important in many cases, such as a shared computer in an office or in a family. The icon should indicate your availability like it does in 11.04. Then they actually are two different indicators for two different aspects of the same entity, and hence it makes sense to let them share one menu. Jo-Erlend Schinstad ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Workspace switcher needs redesign
* Michal Strba (faiface2...@gmail.com) wrote: Hello everyone! Hi, I think, that workspace switcher isn't now as useful as it can be because it doesn't have dynamic workspaces. I think, the best way to solve this problem is to make workspaces dynamic and not dynamic. For example, you'll add few workspaces and you name them Mail, Work, Games, Music and Video. Then you'll restart your PC and workspaces stays as they were! Also it should have a functionality to automatically run user-defined applications in user-defined workspaces. I agree that having some static workspaces is a good thing; I have a preferred way of working where I keep mail in one, web in another and I like it that way - so yes, I like your idea. However, the one thing is that I prefer Unity's and Gnome2's (and KDE and everything else) ability to run with a 2d layout of workspaces to the Gnome3 limit of 1d; I get used to the spatial layout. Dave -- -Open up your eyes, open up your mind, open up your code --- / Dr. David Alan Gilbert| Running GNU/Linux | Happy \ \ gro.gilbert @ treblig.org | | In Hex / \ _|_ http://www.treblig.org |___/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Software center icon needs designers minds, and new humanity desktop methafor.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David wrote on 07/09/11 18:00: I see many criticisms yet a lack of proposals for a suitable replacement. Without an explaination, people could dismiss that icon thinking I don't want to buy applications, I'll go to the internet and see where I can get some free .exes :-p There was a variation of that issue with the original icon: April testing: The Software Centre is still not recognized and, during testing, was mistaken for ‘systems control’. http://design.canonical.com/2011/04/unity-benchmark-usability-april-2011/ ... It's not clear from the writeup, unfortunately, but that wasn't referring to the icon. It was referring to the contents of the window, which looked rather like the Control Panel in Windows. I'm pretty confident nobody will get that impression from USC5. - -- mpt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk52IcMACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecqitgCgxr33L207acz4oRyEpBuKz08f FB4AnjJ2krZAAFiidnJXdtV8xYnpkVsq =WHFR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu Applications
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonathan Meek wrote on 07/09/11 19:33: Actually, I intended something more in depth than that. I asked one of the designers and am going to attempt to begin work on a comprehensive HIG. Everything about the design needs to be thought out, not just 'integrate with this.' The problem with this undertaking is that there are so few applications that can be considered Ubuntu applications. Less and more than you would think. (Though, I've only heard from one person, and his design choices may not be the consensus of the entire design team) ... I'd hope it isn't. ;-) But Thorsten Wilms was right: what will developers make out of it? Interface guidelines are useless unless they actually change developers' behavior. For example, Microsoft has extensive Windows UX guidelines on MSDN, but given all the copying Apple worry in this thread, it seems nobody here has even heard of them. Now, imagine these responses from application developers if you wrote some interface guidelines for Ubuntu: * Ubuntu design guidelines? I've never heard of them. * Jonathan Meek? I've never heard of him. Why should I do what he says? * Ubuntu? Ubuntu's just a distro, what business do they have setting 'guidelines' for applications? * I use Fedora for development, why should I care what Ubuntu wants? * Ubuntu? You want me to take advice from the people who designed Unity? Hah! * I read a couple of pages but it was really boring. * Gnome already has guidelines, this is just another example of Ubuntu trying to go their own way. Shame on them. Improving the design of Ubuntu applications is a design problem in itself. And even if those criticisms are unfair, they're going to come up. So if you want to make a difference, you need to have a way to minimize, or be able to address, each of those criticisms. Provisionally, Mr. Gifford is correct. The are going to be started on, and presented for peer review. I'm debating how to go about this now less than I am whether to go about it at all. I would like some opinions to feedback into this. I know what the designer said were good designed Ubuntu applications, but what do people here think are some? And why do you think that? (This includes, looks, structure, and behavior as well as integration.) ... This is the biggie. If guidelines are to be credible, they need to be either self-evidently logical, demonstrated to succeed in real Ubuntu applications, and/or written by people who designed successful Ubuntu applications. The Windows, Mac, and iOS guidelines can all use applications designed by the OS vendor as examples of what to do. But there are very few applications targeted for Ubuntu first, let alone Ubuntu exclusively. I think guidelines will be premature until that changes. - -- mpt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk52NFkACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecrfYACgu152ebybXC0EsGhgSQ/nBtU0 g5kAnixYzKSiFcdmQjkxVCmZUR56wAgB =0RD1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu Applications
On 18 September 2011 20:11, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonathan Meek wrote on 07/09/11 19:33: Actually, I intended something more in depth than that. I asked one of the designers and am going to attempt to begin work on a comprehensive HIG. Everything about the design needs to be thought out, not just 'integrate with this.' The problem with this undertaking is that there are so few applications that can be considered Ubuntu applications. Less and more than you would think. (Though, I've only heard from one person, and his design choices may not be the consensus of the entire design team) ... I'd hope it isn't. ;-) But Thorsten Wilms was right: what will developers make out of it? Interface guidelines are useless unless they actually change developers' behavior. For example, Microsoft has extensive Windows UX guidelines on MSDN, but given all the copying Apple worry in this thread, it seems nobody here has even heard of them. Now, imagine these responses from application developers if you wrote some interface guidelines for Ubuntu: * Ubuntu design guidelines? I've never heard of them. * Jonathan Meek? I've never heard of him. Why should I do what he says? * Ubuntu? Ubuntu's just a distro, what business do they have setting 'guidelines' for applications? * I use Fedora for development, why should I care what Ubuntu wants? * Ubuntu? You want me to take advice from the people who designed Unity? Hah! * I read a couple of pages but it was really boring. * Gnome already has guidelines, this is just another example of Ubuntu trying to go their own way. Shame on them. Improving the design of Ubuntu applications is a design problem in itself. And even if those criticisms are unfair, they're going to come up. So if you want to make a difference, you need to have a way to minimize, or be able to address, each of those criticisms. Provisionally, Mr. Gifford is correct. The are going to be started on, and presented for peer review. I'm debating how to go about this now less than I am whether to go about it at all. I would like some opinions to feedback into this. I know what the designer said were good designed Ubuntu applications, but what do people here think are some? And why do you think that? (This includes, looks, structure, and behavior as well as integration.) ... This is the biggie. If guidelines are to be credible, they need to be either self-evidently logical, demonstrated to succeed in real Ubuntu applications, and/or written by people who designed successful Ubuntu applications. The Windows, Mac, and iOS guidelines can all use applications designed by the OS vendor as examples of what to do. But there are very few applications targeted for Ubuntu first, let alone Ubuntu exclusively. I think guidelines will be premature until that changes. - -- mpt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk52NFkACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecrfYACgu152ebybXC0EsGhgSQ/nBtU0 g5kAnixYzKSiFcdmQjkxVCmZUR56wAgB =0RD1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp Guidelines are very great and such, but like you already said, many people will not even bother to read them. Even if we manage to get everyone to read the guidelines, then there is the issue of interpretation. You cannot have complete and perfect consistency if you don't want the guidelines to spell out the code that the developers have to use. We always say that we should take away the difficulty of choosing from users when they do not have the tools or knowledge available to make the right decision. The same logic applies here to developers. Most developers are not in the right position to make good decisions about interface design or about the correct implementation of a guideline. To do it right, we should take away their choice. That means: do not spend time implementing what we know about design in the text of guidelines, but spend our time implementing it in code. We should make GTK+ (and maybe Qt too) look better. Locate areas where things don't look so great and submit patches for them. Propose better default values for the properties, submit code that generates pretty menu bars, etc. We should take away choice by making the easiest solution available to developers the solution we want, e.g. writing beautiful and good implementations of standard behaviour (tabs, Ubuntu One, media playing, things like that) that developers can just plug into their applications. Because those methods will be the standard way of doing things, the easiest way of doing things, they will use them and with that they will
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Re: [Ayatana] User-Indicator/Me-Menu shows icon AND user-name (adds clutter to 11.10)
I think that could be difficulty to design i'm such a way that it doesn't look like a glitch. On Sep 18, 2011 10:04 AM, nick rundy nru...@hotmail.com wrote: Perhaps the text icon could be connected or placed together without a space separating them? something to make them appear connected? Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:45:42 +0200 From: joerlend.schins...@gmail.com To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Ayatana] User-Indicator/Me-Menu shows icon AND user-name (adds clutter to 11.10) Den 17. sep. 2011 22:35, skrev nick rundy: In the top-panel in the upper-right corner of Oneiric Ocelot where the Indicators list, every indicator has one icon/entry representing it except for the User/Me Indicator. It has two. It displays a human-shaped head/shoulders (bust) AND the written name of the user. It mistakenly gives the impression to users that TWO indicators are represented. Is that a mistake? The text indicates which user is logged in. That might be important in many cases, such as a shared computer in an office or in a family. The icon should indicate your availability like it does in 11.04. Then they actually are two different indicators for two different aspects of the same entity, and hence it makes sense to let them share one menu. Jo-Erlend Schinstad ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana-commits] [Merge] lp:~kelemeng/indicator-datetime/bug853130 into lp:indicator-datetime
Gabor Kelemen has proposed merging lp:~kelemeng/indicator-datetime/bug853130
into lp:indicator-datetime.
Requested reviews:
Indicator Applet Developers (indicator-applet-developers)
Related bugs:
Bug #853130 in Indicator Date and Time: Untranslated string in
indicator-datetime
https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+bug/853130
For more details, see:
https://code.launchpad.net/~kelemeng/indicator-datetime/bug853130/+merge/75889
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=== modified file 'src/datetime-prefs-locations.c'
--- src/datetime-prefs-locations.c 2011-04-11 12:08:12 +
+++ src/datetime-prefs-locations.c 2011-09-18 10:19:28 +
@@ -421,6 +421,7 @@
{
GError * error = NULL;
GtkBuilder * builder = gtk_builder_new ();
+ gtk_builder_set_translation_domain (builder, GETTEXT_PACKAGE);
gtk_builder_add_from_file (builder, DATETIME_DIALOG_UI_FILE, error);
if (error != NULL) {
/* We have to abort, we can't continue without the ui file */
@@ -429,8 +430,6 @@
return NULL;
}
- gtk_builder_set_translation_domain (builder, GETTEXT_PACKAGE);
-
GSettings * conf = g_settings_new (SETTINGS_INTERFACE);
#define WIG(name) GTK_WIDGET (gtk_builder_get_object (builder, name))
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