Re: [Ayatana] Windows 8 and OS X Lion observations
*throws rotten tomatoes* On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:37 PM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 18:47, GonzO go...@worlord.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: Too funny, as it is your kind of use that robs the word of meaning. Don't look now, but word usage and meanings change over time. they change intuitively.. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Stereoscopic 3D on Ubuntu (or any Linux)
that's a driver level thing in addition to the applications. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote: On 09. juni 2011 18:18, Swapnil Chitnis wrote: Now even in Windows 8, we are expected to have 3D technology for watching 3D movies. Now, we have to take Ubuntu Linux to this. I have knowledge on this topic. Is anyone interested in development of this as a project? Wouldn't that be done in the players? Seems a little bit offtopic for this list? I'm new here, though. :) Jo-Erlend Schinstad ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Fwd: Fwd: Re: People expect the backlight colours on the unity launcher to mean something.
-- Forwarded message -- From: Spike Burch spi...@gmail.com Date: Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Re: People expect the backlight colours on the unity launcher to mean something. To: Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com I have to say I agree - there either should be a reason for the colors or it should be toggled only for running apps, thus providing a reason. On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote: It is aesthetically pleasing. It really is and that's important. But it's more important that users are comfortable with their system and if people feel that there is an underlying logic that they're not able to grasp, that doesn't boost confidence. I believe that the current use of colours in the launcher indeed has that effect, hence I think it's a mistake. Simply switching the backlights to toggle, will go a long way towards eliminating that effect and also makes it easier to see which applications are running. But I don't think it's enough, because it has a negative side effect. Look at the waste bin, for instance. It becomes almost invisible when you switch to backlight toggles. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Unity Mockup v3
I have to agree with this. On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:01 AM, GonzO go...@worlord.com wrote: How about keep things where I frakkin' put them? ;-) I can't think of a single good reason why my scroll location on the bar *has to* reset itself once I leave. I scrolled to *this spot* because I wanted to be at this spot. If *any other* object in the UI did this, people would be going crazy. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Key Shortcut for Dash Expand
I filed a bug report about this. On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Ed Lin edlin...@gmail.com wrote: It should just remember its state, there should be a bug about this... ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)
There are indicators for integrating webmail (at least for gmail) into the message indicator. PS: is it just me, or are there no well designed e-mail clients for our platform? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Jeremy Nickurak jer...@nickurak.ca wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 15:34, Niklas Rosenqvist niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com wrote: GonzO have you forgotten that sometimes people require a email client if their mail server doesn't support a web interface? People in these discussion threads seem to want to rule out that people aren't using the computer in the same way as themselves. Speaking only for myself, I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying that web-mail users (even if they're 100% of the user base) still should have room for indicators and things. I'm a strict webmail user that would *LOVE* to have indication of mail in the panel, and don't have it right now. -- Jeremy Nickurak -= Email/XMPP: -= jer...@nickurak.ca =- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Fwd: Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)
-- Forwarded message -- From: Spike Burch spi...@gmail.com Date: Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10) To: Niklas Rosenqvist niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com wrote: But why then does some applications not have a global menu bar? Like PlayOnLinux when you don't install it from the ubuntu repositories? And will programs made with Qt also automatically work? there's an implementation of the global menu for QT apps, as well, so yes those will work. PlayonLinux probably doesn't use standard gtk or qt menus. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications
The idea of having the boxes around the icons be clear when not running and colored when running is a good one. the fading bit is too distracting. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com wrote: But please tell me one reason why increasing the visibility of the background of running apps isn't just as good in terms of visibility with the added benefit of being always visible, not just on hover, i.e. more consistent and more usable. The reason for why I don't think that's such a good idea is because there's a risk there will be too much going on on the launcher together with colorful icons, counters and progress bars. Therefore I believe the solution is to tune down the noise and not add more, this will provide a cleaner interface. I just finished my JS and HTML mockup and I feel that it works very good in practice. Don't expect it to be completely bug free because I did it quick and dirty to just have something to show you guys. It basically works in all new browsers so feel free to try it out. Though if you click around like crazy there's a chance the icons don't change as they should. Mockup: http://unity-mockup.nsrosenqvist.com/ Source: http://unity-mockup.nsrosenqvist.com/source/unity-mockup.zip 2011/5/4 Ed Lin edlin...@gmail.com On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com wrote: I think it would be a shame to desaturate the applications which aren't running at all times. If you have the launcher set to always visible and only one application running then it would look dark and boring, don't you think? Not only the looks, I think desaturated icons don't look exactly inviting to a new user. They more look like either hidden or even crashed applications, not like launchers. I'm repeating myself, but this problem isn't actually solved by making that view hover only. Just the first part (the looks) is made a bit less glaring. And as I said in my previous post, I can't really see the use in showing which applications are hidden. It has never been deemed necessary, not in Windows and in Gnome 2.x it's only shown with a pair of [ ] around the application name, and I've honestly really thought about that 'til now . That's because neither OS had a concept of hidden applications. It doesn't even exist in Unity yet. But it exits in OS X and the transparent hidden icons for the Dock is a frequently used option there. Just google defaults write com.apple.Dock showhidden -bool YES and check how many results you get. That is why I'm still convinced that my original idea is the best proposed solution so far. As Ed Lin pointed out it might be a problem in getting the launcher to react on hover, but wouldn't it benefit the UX (User Experience) greatly? Isn't it worth it? But please tell me one reason why increasing the visibility of the background of running apps isn't just as good in terms of visibility with the added benefit of being always visible, not just on hover, i.e. more consistent and more usable. Some didn't like that the icons greyed out completely and I understand that and that's why I proposed a configuration option for that. If we just take a look on how it would look like if it wasn't completely greyed out and only partially desaturated the idea might feel more approachable. That's why I created a new version of my previous mockup: http://i.imgur.com/3bajD.png Much better, but this still leaves above 2 questions. Please just give it some reconsideration out of the UX-perspective. If this was an option then I feel that this would be enough to provide a start for a descent window centric workflow without removing the app-centric workflow out of the design. The problem of visible running apps has nothing to do with app-centric workflow. Again, your indicator is for running applications, not running windows! I've just sent a mail to the list What are the advantages of an application-centric interface? It's gotten a tad bit long (sorry about that) but my main conclusion was that the discussion app-centric vs. window-centric isn't all that worthwhile and doesn't really help us improving Unity at this point. And I don't really see a problem in adding the configuration options since people will want to be able to configure the launcher anyway, we can't take that out of the picture. Some want the launcher to be visible at all times and some want it to hide automatically. Additional optional options are a nice thing to have but the priority is to first get the defaults right as good as we can. I do understand that in practice we may find flaws with this design so I was thinking of maybe making a JavaScript and HTML mockup in the browser. What are your thoughts? This is a great idea, I'm no good with JS so I can't help on that. 2011/5/4 Niklas Rosenqvist niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com
Re: [Ayatana] The top right thing
+1 they should be put there instead. where it currently is makes zero sense. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Mario Vukelic mario.vuke...@dantian.org wrote: On Mo, 2011-04-18 at 19:55 +0100, Luke Benstead wrote: I think it's just there because there is nowhere else to put it. Unity dedicates the huge real estate of the dash to a mere 8 gigantic buttons that relate to very broad task and application categories. I have never understood why the system settings have not been put there. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Novell Evolution, and just how awesome it is.
-- Forwarded message -- From: Spike Burch spi...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Novell Evolution, and just how awesome it is. To: i...@ikt.id.au Part of the problem is that the rest of the email clients available also suck, and evolution is the only one (that i am aware of) that integrates with exchange On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:43 AM, i...@ikt.id.au wrote: Some prominent software featured in Ubuntu as currently reviewed in the Ubuntu Software Centre: Chromium - 4.5 | 69 ratings Firefox - 4.5/5 | 44 ratings Banshee - 4.5/5 | 38 ratings LibreOffice Writer - 4.5/5 | 14 ratings Shotwell - 4.5/5 | 12 ratings Transmission Bittorrent Client - 4.5/5 | 12 ratings Ubuntu One - 3.5/5 | 17 ratings Evolution - 3.5/5 | 15 ratings At the end of the list what are the key differences between the Ubuntu One rating and Evolution rating? People reviewing Ubuntu One are almost polar opposites, it's either 5/5 awesome or 2/5 buggy and lacking features, you can fix bugs and you can implement missing features, in fact one of the 2/5's was commenting on a missing feature that is being implemented and tested right now (windows support), there is a lot of positive press that Ubuntu One in 11.04 is a massive improvement from Ubuntu One in 10.10, so I can see Ubuntu One improving from here on. The review feedback about Evolution doesn't inspire confidence, good try but useless, this is the same opinion you can find from 6 YEARS AGO.* If we pretend that LibreOffice Writer had one job and that was to replace Microsoft Word 2010 from head to toe, as it stands even if they only implement 50% of that, it is still a fully functional document writer, that has more features than other document editors and is a pleasure to use, even though it doesn't fully replace Word 100%, what it does do, it does it well. Another example is Audacious, it was very similar to Winamp and while it doesn't fully replicate Winamp on Ubuntu (and it never intended to), those who use it feel that what it does do, it does well. A bigger example could be Google Chrome, when it first came out did it have all the features of Firefox or Internet Explorer? Not even close, but damn it was fast, and a pleasure to use, that by itself made it end up on so many people's desktops. Evolution is attempting to do many things, and failing at all of them, even partially implemented things. Evolution proved sluggish and unreliable, and lacks all of the surrounding features that I’ve come to rely upon so desperately.** If you want fast email not tied to a desktop, Gmail is there, if you want a solid email experience with a desktop client, Thunderbird is there, if you want an Outlook replacement, Evolution will attempt to help you but ultimately fail miserably, and if you try and use the basic features it does implement you'll find a horrible experience compared to other email clients. The question then becomes, what's the point of this software in the first place? If it can't do what it's supposed to do, what's the point of having it there? I always remove this from my Ubuntu installations. I find no use for it. I suppose if you were forced to use a Microsoft Exchange system there might be some justification, but thankfully I don't. At this point I really only have one thing to say: Why does the Ubuntu team continue to include awesome applications that people enjoy using, but still includes evolution despite the continual assurance from users that it DOES NOT meet users expectations***. Maybe you guys are looking at a different evolution client to me? thanks - ikt * http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36530 - Evolution is a rubbish email client May 24th, 2005 **http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2011/02/11/running-pc-pro-on-ubuntu-the-verdict/ Running PC Pro on Ubuntu: the verdict - February 11th, 2011 *** read: sucks ps. Since Greg Kroah-Hartman appears to work at the same company that produce the evolution client, I was wondering if he could get some people to work on it, you know, give back to the community that has managed to include the software that so many people hate as the primary email client for so damn long. :-) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:25 AM, David Stevenson da...@avoncliff.com wrote: FOSS is about choice, not conforming to predefined norms. Users are more than welcome to choose to use something else, you know. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity
+1 On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Greg K Nicholson g...@gkn.me.uk wrote: On this subject I'd like to reiterate and support a suggestion previously made on this list: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg04555.html ☮♥☯ Greg K Nicholson http://gkn.me.uk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity
I can verify that hiding the menus by default is problematic in my (limited) user testing. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 After several weeks of trying, last week I finally succeeded in installing Natty to test Unity. I was disappointed to see that in Unity, menus are invisible until you mouse over where they are supposed to be. For a window, until you mouse over it, the space reserved for its menus is taken up by an application or window title. And for the desktop, until you mouse over it, the space for its menus is completely empty. I reported a bug about this, but John Lea marked it as Invalid on the grounds that this change request contradicts the design. He requested that I discuss it here. The design John cited is not the menu bar specification https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenuBar, but a separate The Unity Menu document that is new to me. https://docs.google.com/View?id=dfkkjjcj_1776g5ztgbc3 I see four major problems with hiding the menus and covering them with an application or window title. 1. Most importantly, it makes the menus much harder to use. The The Unity Menu document says that The top level of the menu rarely shows significant information (it is not an indicator) - it consists essentially of category headings, like 'File' and 'Edit' and 'View'. None of those add any relevant information to the task at hand, or wider awareness. Whoever wrote that is mistaken. Every time the task at hand involves using a menu, it is necessary first to be aware of, and then to move the pointer to, the desired menu. That is much harder to do if the menu is invisible until just after you finish needing to know where it is. Whether the menus collectively are an indicator is irrelevant: the first item in the rationale, for what determines whether something appears in the menu bar, has always been It's not whether it's a status indicator. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenuBar?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=whether-something-appears.jpg 2. It makes some functions effectively invisible. For example, last month Jack Wallen wrote for TechRepublic http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/x/2291: One of the most handy menu entries in GNOME (for me at least) is the Connect to Server entry in the Places menu. This allows the user to connect to nearly any type of server quickly and easily. The user can even connect to a Windows Share from here. In Unity - you won’t find that. In fact, you will be hard pressed to find any means to connect to a server in Ubuntu Unity. At the time, I didn't understand how he could have had that problem. Now I do. The Connect to Server item, which is in the Places menu on the Ubuntu 10.10 desktop, is in the File menu on the Natty desktop. But the desktop appears, incorrectly, to have no menus at all. The The Unity Menu document says Many modern applications are being designed without substantial menus. The problem with that approach was explained in my initial post introducing the menu bar: it results in gratuitous inconsistency between applications. http://design.canonical.com/2010/05/menu-bar/#history But that is beside the point. Hiding menus for windows that *do* rely on them does nobody any good. 3. The application or window title becomes ugly when the menus appear. For example, when using Nautilus's menus, the menu bar reads File Man File Edit View Go Bookmarks Help. Similarly when using Terminal's menus, the menu bar reads Termina File Edit View Search Terminal Help. And when using Calculator's menus, the menu bar gets a stutter: Calculat Calculator Mode Help. 4. The application or window title and the title bar are redundant, and sometimes inconsistent too. For example, when that Calculator window is open, its title bar says Calculator, and the menu bar pointlessly repeats Calculator. When a Banshee window is open, its title bar says Banshee Media Player, and the menu bar repeats Banshee Media Player. When a PolicyKit authentication alert is open, its title bar says Authenticate, and the menu bar repeats Authenticate. Other windows are inconsistent. For example, Firefox's title bar says Mozilla Firefox, but the menu bar disagrees, saying Firefox Web Browser. Shotwell's title bar says Shotwell, but the menu bar says Shotwell Photo Manager. Most amusingly, if you open a presentation in LibreOffice and then open an accompanying spreadsheet, the title bar says LibreOffice Calc while the menu bar says LibreOffice Impress. There are two paragraphs in the The Unity Menu document that I agree with. One says: The top edge of the screen has some advantages for fine mouse pointer targeting. But that is true only when you know where the
Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'
+1 On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 6:39 AM, M. Adnan Quaium adnan.qua...@ubuntu-bd.org wrote: Just got the news from the following link: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntu-natty-adds-control-centre-entry-to-session-menu/ My opinion is - 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'. Actually, Session menu has nothing in common with Control Center! The Control Center should be in launcher. So that people can easily get access to the control center. I think it'll be very difficult to find out for the users that to change the preferences of his desktop he has to go to the Session Menu. Also by placing it on the launcher, it actually saves one click... :) What do you think? -- M. Adnan Quaium URL: http://adnan.quaium.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Me Messaging Indicator Menu
Looking at the mockup and it looks pretty good. The one problem I see right away that stands out, is how to notify the user of incoming messages via changing the icon color, like the message envelope currently does - if we change the status icon's color, nobody will notice. other than that problem, it looks much better than i expected. quite nice. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:20 PM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: so here's another shot at it.. please point out problems you can find with this layout! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Fwd: New ideas for light themes
-- Forwarded message -- From: Spike Burch spi...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Ayatana] New ideas for light themes To: Martín A. Casco martinca...@gmail.com I've noticed this, and would like it resolved one way or the other as well. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Martín A. Casco martinca...@gmail.com wrote: Well I don't know if this is the right place for this, but I think it's good place for discuss about this... Actually in Unity there is an inconsistency between the controls in normal windows and maximized windows... ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] What project does this bug affect?
ubiquity On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Chris Wilson afrowi...@gmail.com wrote: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/690842 I've tried searching Launchpad for projects who's names include 'ubuntu installer' and variations on a theme, but there are too many results to be displayed. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Graceful degradation of Unity
What I would do, although this is duplicating effort in the long run, is write a 2d version of unity using EFL, just like they did with the old netbook interface On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Mark Curtis merkin...@hotmail.com wrote: Unity requires 3d compositing. For those without adequate hardware, it falls back to the GNOME Panels. While I understand for this cycle effort should be put into getting Unity functioning, I think for the future a better fallback should be created. For one the GNOME Panels won't be supported forever so it's not a viable alternative in the long run. Two, the UI change from Unity/Panels is drastic. Look at Windows 7, if the user can't enable the compositing, the UI is still similar, it doesn't reset to an XP style of UI. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Graceful degradation of Unity
I don't think it is something that needs to be done now either. I think the ideal time to revisit the idea is probably during the next LTS cycle. That gives Unity time time to mature and become part of the brand identity. If it takes hold, then we should definitely revisit the issue for such an important cycle as LTS. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Ryan Prior ryanpr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Mark Curtis merkin...@hotmail.com wrote: Unity requires 3d compositing. For those without adequate hardware, it falls back to the GNOME Panels. While I understand for this cycle effort should be put into getting Unity functioning, I think for the future a better fallback should be created. For one the GNOME Panels won't be supported forever so it's not a viable alternative in the long run. Two, the UI change from Unity/Panels is drastic. Look at Windows 7, if the user can't enable the compositing, the UI is still similar, it doesn't reset to an XP style of UI. I don't agree, at least for the moment. In the future where the Unity look is an ingrained part of the Ubuntu brand, I'd agree that there should be a better fall-back for machines which still don't support Unity's technical requirements. However, for the moment the gnome-panels are part of the Ubuntu brand and Unity is the new-fangled outlier, which some users and vocal critics consider to be inferior to the gnome-panels. Maintaining an excellent legacy Gnome interface will help ensure continuity from previous releases or users who cannot use Unity, and I haven't seen any argument that creating a Unity-like fallback which would have to pursue a moving target would be worth the time it would take to develop. Ryan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Do You Use Gwibber?
I use gwibber. It has some extremely annoying issues though, like forgetting your stream layout On Dec 6, 2010 7:04 PM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: esteemed readers, *Do you use Gwibber?* It would be quite gratifying if this thread could produce some statistics or opinions. I'm currently evaluating the role of Gwibber in the Ayatana subsystem. We currently have Mail and IM portrayed by two seperate icons in the panel: 1) the envelope - Mail - Messaging Menu 2) the speech bubble - IM - Me Menu Please respond, if you have the time... I'd welcome opinions, symbolic icons for Gwibber or simply a boolean response ;) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Compiz close-buttons on expose
I think that if we're going to have window management in expose, we should allow all of it. On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Valentin valentin@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys! On expose we should have a clickable X-Icon, which closes the window (the application). It should be visable on mouse-over. Look this: http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1174/bildschirmfotogb.png What do you think? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Usability Resources
Thank you everyone who replied! This is enough information to feed my appetite for quite a while. :) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Usability Resources
Hi, Anyone have book or website recommendations for learning more about usability? Spike ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Applications suggestion according to hardware capabilities
GNOME already does this for some hardware. I wonder if that could be extended for your suggestions? On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Mohamed Ikbel Boulabiar boulab...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have some thoughts about a possible feature that can be added to unity. it's the ability to suggest applications to the user for a specific hardware he has or when he connects it to the system. Scenarios: 1. A user connect a webcam : Suggest using cheese 2. A user connect a digitizer : Suggest using Gimp/Inkscape and may open a tutorial of how modifying parameters or using the hardware there. 3. If a multitouch device is detected, an icon is added (or an existant one animates or blinks) and when clicked/hovered it opens the Software center with applications suggestion. This feature needs to detect the user hardware capabilities and suggest according to that. It is also very related to this Software Center 'bug': https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/674633 it still an idea, so what you think about it ? i ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Introduction and thoughts on Unity
Hi, My name is Spike. I am not trained in usability, but rather self taught, so feel free to correct any misconceptions I may post. That said, I am keenly interested in usability (hence joining this mailing list), and have read extensively about it. Always game for more reading materials if anyone has any suggestions! Moving along to my random thoughts/suggestions on Unity (inspired in part by the post on the Canonical design blog about Unity's usability testing): 1) Make the minimize action point to the icons on the panel, instead of having windows simply fade from existence. This will show users where the application went, and should lead to the discovery of the expose` action 2) Give the side panel drag n drop (I read somewhere this is coming) for adding/removing launchers 3) Make the files/folders, applications, trash, and removable device icons colored. The current white icons sends the signal that these icons are inactive. That is pretty much all I can think of for now. Hope I am not being redundant. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
