[Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread M. Adnan Quaium
Just got the news from the following link:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntu-natty-adds-control-centre-entry-to-session-menu/

My opinion is - 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session
Menu'. Actually, Session menu has nothing in common with Control Center! The
Control Center should be in launcher. So that people can easily get access
to the control center.  I think it'll be very difficult to find out for the
users that to change the preferences of his desktop he has to go to the
Session Menu. Also by placing it on the launcher, it actually saves one
click... :)

What do you think?

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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread M. Adnan Quaium
Another problem is, there is a chance to click the SHUT DOWN button
mistakenly while clicking the CONTROL CENTRE.

On 11 March 2011 14:21, Kévin PEIGNOT winniemie...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree, maybe even with a dedicated unity-place instead of the
 traditionnal control center.

 2011/3/11 M. Adnan Quaium adnan.qua...@ubuntu-bd.org

 Just got the news from the following link:

 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntu-natty-adds-control-centre-entry-to-session-menu/

 My opinion is - 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session
 Menu'. Actually, Session menu has nothing in common with Control Center! The
 Control Center should be in launcher. So that people can easily get access
 to the control center.  I think it'll be very difficult to find out for the
 users that to change the preferences of his desktop he has to go to the
 Session Menu. Also by placing it on the launcher, it actually saves one
 click... :)

 What do you think?

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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread Spike Burch
+1

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 6:39 AM, M. Adnan Quaium
adnan.qua...@ubuntu-bd.org wrote:
 Just got the news from the following link:
 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntu-natty-adds-control-centre-entry-to-session-menu/

 My opinion is - 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session
 Menu'. Actually, Session menu has nothing in common with Control Center! The
 Control Center should be in launcher. So that people can easily get access
 to the control center.  I think it'll be very difficult to find out for the
 users that to change the preferences of his desktop he has to go to the
 Session Menu. Also by placing it on the launcher, it actually saves one
 click... :)

 What do you think?

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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread Vishnoo
On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 13:39 +0100, M. Adnan Quaium wrote:
 Just got the news from the following link:
 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntu-natty-adds-control-centre-entry-to-session-menu/
 
 My opinion is - 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in
 'Session Menu'. Actually, Session menu has nothing in common with
 Control Center! The Control Center should be in launcher. So that
 people can easily get access to the control center.  I think it'll be
 very difficult to find out for the users that to change the
 preferences of his desktop he has to go to the Session Menu. Also by
 placing it on the launcher, it actually saves one click... :) 
 
 What do you think?

How often do you actually keep changing the System Preferences?

Usually one changes a setting maybe a few times during an extended
period of usage, but it is not something that warrants a dedicated
launcher. 
A dedicated launcher would just overload the Dash(springboard).

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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread Lee Hyde
On 11/03/11 12:39, M. Adnan Quaium wrote:
 Just got the news from the following link:
 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntu-natty-adds-control-centre-entry-to-session-menu/
 
 My opinion is - 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session
 Menu'. Actually, Session menu has nothing in common with Control Center!
 The Control Center should be in launcher. So that people can easily get
 access to the control center.  I think it'll be very difficult to find
 out for the users that to change the preferences of his desktop he has
 to go to the Session Menu. Also by placing it on the launcher, it
 actually saves one click... :)
 
 What do you think?
 
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 M. Adnan Quaium
 

Unless of course you're of the opinion (as I am) that the control centre
relates to session management/administration. Although I understand for
some this could be seen as a bit of a leap.

I would certainly accept that there is a justification for including the
control centre in the launcher (perhaps as an option). It could be
placed with the recycle bin at the bottom of the screen.

On 11/03/11 14:21, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote:

 I agree, maybe even with a dedicated unity-place instead of
 the traditionnal control center.

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I do like that idea; a means of highlighting administrative applications
and separating them from the hoi polloi of the regular applications
could be useful.

On 11/03/11 13:25, M. Adnan Quaium wrote:
 Another problem is, there is a chance to click the SHUT DOWN button
 mistakenly while clicking the CONTROL CENTRE.

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It was my understanding that such was the reasoning behind the shut-down
and restart confirmation dialogues. As an aside, why were similar
dialogues for standby and hibernate abandoned. That decision never made
much sense to me, and I do hope it's reversed at some point. I can't
count the number of times (actually I can, it's 4) that I've
accidentally put my computer into standby/hibernation via Docky's
session docklet.

Regards,

Lee Hyde.

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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread Mark Curtis

Someone else suggested putting it in the Me Menu
This would solve both problems of not being close to Shut Down nor cluttering 
up the Launcher

 From: v...@ubuntu.com
 To: adnan.qua...@ubuntu-bd.org
 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:52:30 +0530
 CC: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net
 Subject: Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 
 'Session Menu'
 
 On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 13:39 +0100, M. Adnan Quaium wrote:
  Just got the news from the following link:
  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntu-natty-adds-control-centre-entry-to-session-menu/
  
  My opinion is - 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in
  'Session Menu'. Actually, Session menu has nothing in common with
  Control Center! The Control Center should be in launcher. So that
  people can easily get access to the control center.  I think it'll be
  very difficult to find out for the users that to change the
  preferences of his desktop he has to go to the Session Menu. Also by
  placing it on the launcher, it actually saves one click... :) 
  
  What do you think?
 
 How often do you actually keep changing the System Preferences?
 
 Usually one changes a setting maybe a few times during an extended
 period of usage, but it is not something that warrants a dedicated
 launcher. 
 A dedicated launcher would just overload the Dash(springboard).
 
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 Vish
 
 
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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread Ian Santopietro
I agree with putting it in the Me Menu. We can't put everything only one
click away, since with all that you want to do on a daily basis, that would
make for a very cluttered environment. Frequently used apps should go in the
launcher, along with the places. Most other things should be left out.

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 07:41, Mark Curtis merkin...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Someone else suggested putting it in the Me Menu
 This would solve both problems of not being close to Shut Down nor
 cluttering up the Launcher

  From: v...@ubuntu.com
  To: adnan.qua...@ubuntu-bd.org
  Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:52:30 +0530
  CC: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net
  Subject: Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in
 'Session Menu'

 
  On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 13:39 +0100, M. Adnan Quaium wrote:
   Just got the news from the following link:
  
 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntu-natty-adds-control-centre-entry-to-session-menu/
  
   My opinion is - 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in
   'Session Menu'. Actually, Session menu has nothing in common with
   Control Center! The Control Center should be in launcher. So that
   people can easily get access to the control center. I think it'll be
   very difficult to find out for the users that to change the
   preferences of his desktop he has to go to the Session Menu. Also by
   placing it on the launcher, it actually saves one click... :)
  
   What do you think?
 
  How often do you actually keep changing the System Preferences?
 
  Usually one changes a setting maybe a few times during an extended
  period of usage, but it is not something that warrants a dedicated
  launcher.
  A dedicated launcher would just overload the Dash(springboard).
 
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  Vish
 
 
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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread M. Adnan Quaium
+1

Me menu sounds promising.

On 11 March 2011 16:22, Ian Santopietro isan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree with putting it in the Me Menu. We can't put everything only one
 click away, since with all that you want to do on a daily basis, that would
 make for a very cluttered environment. Frequently used apps should go in the
 launcher, along with the places. Most other things should be left out.


 On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 07:41, Mark Curtis merkin...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Someone else suggested putting it in the Me Menu
 This would solve both problems of not being close to Shut Down nor
 cluttering up the Launcher

  From: v...@ubuntu.com
  To: adnan.qua...@ubuntu-bd.org
  Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:52:30 +0530
  CC: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net
  Subject: Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in
 'Session Menu'

 
  On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 13:39 +0100, M. Adnan Quaium wrote:
   Just got the news from the following link:
  
 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntu-natty-adds-control-centre-entry-to-session-menu/
  
   My opinion is - 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in
   'Session Menu'. Actually, Session menu has nothing in common with
   Control Center! The Control Center should be in launcher. So that
   people can easily get access to the control center. I think it'll be
   very difficult to find out for the users that to change the
   preferences of his desktop he has to go to the Session Menu. Also by
   placing it on the launcher, it actually saves one click... :)
  
   What do you think?
 
  How often do you actually keep changing the System Preferences?
 
  Usually one changes a setting maybe a few times during an extended
  period of usage, but it is not something that warrants a dedicated
  launcher.
  A dedicated launcher would just overload the Dash(springboard).
 
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  Vish
 
 
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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread M. Adnan Quaium
May be it can be renamed as Desktop Preferences or any suitable name (if
it is possible) rather than Control Centre...

On 11 March 2011 16:43, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 11/03/11 14:41, Mark Curtis wrote:
  Someone else suggested putting it in the Me Menu
  This would solve both problems of not being close to Shut Down nor
  cluttering up the Launcher
 
 I can't imagine any justification for placing a Control Centre entry
 within the Me Menu (other than desperation). It simply doesn't fit the
 Me Menus brief in that it has nothing to do with identity and online
 status. One could make a case for including an entry for Users and
 Groups within the Me Menu, but a Control Centre entry would be even more
 misplaced than the current (in stock Maverick) Ubuntu One entry (which
 oddly enough is moving to the Messaging Menu in Natty).

 Regards,

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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread Luke Benstead
On 11 March 2011 15:43, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 11/03/11 14:41, Mark Curtis wrote:
 Someone else suggested putting it in the Me Menu
 This would solve both problems of not being close to Shut Down nor
 cluttering up the Launcher

 I can't imagine any justification for placing a Control Centre entry
 within the Me Menu (other than desperation). It simply doesn't fit the
 Me Menus brief in that it has nothing to do with identity and online
 status. One could make a case for including an entry for Users and
 Groups within the Me Menu, but a Control Centre entry would be even more
 misplaced than the current (in stock Maverick) Ubuntu One entry (which
 oddly enough is moving to the Messaging Menu in Natty).

 Regards,

 Lee.

Absolutely, the control center doesn't fit at all in any of the
indicators (although certain elements of it do).

Luke.

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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread Jeremy Nickurak
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 08:43, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can't imagine any justification for placing a Control Centre entry
 within the Me Menu (other than desperation).


Bit of stretch maybe, but...

Preferences are personal. They're about what you want, as opposed to system
defaults, application behavior, or even data. In that sense, there's
something inherently me-related to the settings I've selected.

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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread Carl Simpson
Given that Windows puts it's Control Panel link in the same “space” as its
session management options¹ this is at the very least consistent and pretty
familiar behaviour.

¹ A sample image I pulled off Google:
http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/sshot20091028222007.png

2011/3/11 M. Adnan Quaium adnan.qua...@linux.org.bd

 May be it can be renamed as Desktop Preferences or any suitable name (if
 it is possible) rather than Control Centre...

 On 11 March 2011 16:43, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 11/03/11 14:41, Mark Curtis wrote:
  Someone else suggested putting it in the Me Menu
  This would solve both problems of not being close to Shut Down nor
  cluttering up the Launcher
 
 I can't imagine any justification for placing a Control Centre entry
 within the Me Menu (other than desperation). It simply doesn't fit the
 Me Menus brief in that it has nothing to do with identity and online
 status. One could make a case for including an entry for Users and
 Groups within the Me Menu, but a Control Centre entry would be even more
 misplaced than the current (in stock Maverick) Ubuntu One entry (which
 oddly enough is moving to the Messaging Menu in Natty).

 Regards,

 Lee.

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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread Conscious User

Mark Curtis wrote:
 Someone else suggested putting it in the Me Menu
 This would solve both problems of not being close
 to Shut Down nor cluttering up the Launcher

Ian Santopietro wrote:
 I agree with putting it in the Me Menu. We can't
 put everything only one click away, since with all
 that you want to do on a daily basis, that would
 make for a very cluttered environment. Frequently
 used apps should go in the launcher, along with the
 places. Most other things should be left out.

M. Adnan Quaium wrote:
 +1
 Me menu sounds promising. 


I'm seeing arguments against the Session Menu and the
Launcher, but no arguments actually in favor of the
Me Menu specifically. I think it would be equally
or more inadequate than the Session Menu.

I agree with the previous proposal of making it a Dash
view. The control center is just a categorized set of
application shortcuts, exactly what the Dash is
optimized to handle.



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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread Lee Hyde
On 11/03/11 15:51, M. Adnan Quaium wrote:
 May be it can be renamed as Desktop Preferences or any suitable name
 (if it is possible) rather than Control Centre...

Changing the name won't change it's unsuitability for the Me Menu. It
just doesn't fit there at all. If it must be placed in any indicator
menu, whatever the name, the Session Menu is the best fit (though far
from perfect).

On 11/03/11 15:56, Luke Benstead wrote:
 Absolutely, the control center doesn't fit at all in any of the
 indicators (although certain elements of it do).

I do actually think one can make a rather good case for a Control Centre
within the Session Menu. Although I think it would be far better to
include select administrative tools (e.g. Users and Groups) in
appropriate indicator menus whilst leaving the remainder exclusively
within the Dash. I also rather like Kévin PEIGNOT suggestion of a
dedicated Control Centre (or Administrative Tasks) place.

On 11/03/11 16:00, Jeremy Nickurak wrote:
 Bit of stretch maybe, but...

 Preferences are personal. They're about what you want, as opposed to
 system defaults, application behavior, or even data. In that sense,
 there's something inherently me-related to the settings I've selected.

That is indeed a bit of a stretch. Though it was as valiant attempt, if
ever I've read one, to shoe-horn something into an indicator menu. ;-)

By the same token one could merge the Messages Menu into the Me Menu on
the grounds that (nominally) are directed towards the end user (the
proverbial 'Me'). The Me Menus brief is concerned with online status and
identity to wit a Control Centre entry has no relation. The Session
Menus brief is a little less clear (to me) but a reasonable
interpretation would be that it's concerned with sessions (obviously)
and system status (the latter of which could be used to justify the
presence of a Control Centre).

On 11/03/11 16:50, Conscious User wrote:
 I agree with the previous proposal of making it a Dash
 view. The control center is just a categorized set of
 application shortcuts, exactly what the Dash is
 optimized to handle.

+1

Kind Regards,

Lee
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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Fr, 2011-03-11 at 09:41 -0500, Mark Curtis wrote:
 Someone else suggested putting it in the Me Menu
 This would solve both problems of not being close to Shut Down nor
 cluttering up the Launcher 

It would solve these problems, but IMHO cause others that are worse. 

First of all, why the Me menu? Barely anything in the control center has
anything to do with me. I, personally, would never look there if I
searched for computer settings. Even My Computer made more sense for a
control center location. 

That may be also because I don't use the Me menu at all, since all it
contains are chat and Twitter stuff, neither of which I use on my
private computer. And even though Ubuntu is very proud about the Me menu
and social from the start or whatever the tag line is, none of the
non-expert Ubuntu users I support use it either, simply because they are
not interested in the functionality. Some even removed it from the
panel.




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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 16:56, Luke Benstead kaz...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 11 March 2011 15:43, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 11/03/11 14:41, Mark Curtis wrote:
  Someone else suggested putting it in the Me Menu
  This would solve both problems of not being close to Shut Down nor
  cluttering up the Launcher
 
  I can't imagine any justification for placing a Control Centre entry
  within the Me Menu (other than desperation). It simply doesn't fit the
  Me Menus brief in that it has nothing to do with identity and online
  status. One could make a case for including an entry for Users and
  Groups within the Me Menu, but a Control Centre entry would be even more
  misplaced than the current (in stock Maverick) Ubuntu One entry (which
  oddly enough is moving to the Messaging Menu in Natty).
 
  Regards,
 
  Lee.

 Absolutely, the control center doesn't fit at all in any of the
 indicators (although certain elements of it do).

 Luke.


exactly.
Semantically correct would be Session Preferences or Session Options or
Session Settings or something session-related.
This is an opportunity to get the wording right for once.. In that case, the
session menu would be the right place.

and Session Preferences could then reveal a page containing settings like
the following:
* Notifications [ON | OFF]
* Screensaver [ON | OFF]
* IDLE Timeout [ ... ]
* ...

but Control Center is something i can live with, even if it doesn't quite
correspond with Session Preferences yet..
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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 17:50, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com wrote:

 The control center is just a categorized set of
 application shortcuts, exactly what the Dash is
 optimized to handle.


and the indicator menu item would be but a shortcut to that dash view, if it
gets implemented as you suggest.
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Re: [Ayatana] 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session Menu'

2011-03-11 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 11 March 2011 07:39, M. Adnan Quaium adnan.qua...@ubuntu-bd.org wrote:
 Just got the news from the following link:
 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntu-natty-adds-control-centre-entry-to-session-menu/

 My opinion is - 'Control Center' should be in 'Launcher' not in 'Session
 Menu'. Actually, Session menu has nothing in common with Control Center! The
 Control Center should be in launcher. So that people can easily get access
 to the control center.  I think it'll be very difficult to find out for the
 users that to change the preferences of his desktop he has to go to the
 Session Menu. Also by placing it on the launcher, it actually saves one
 click... :)

 What do you think?

 --
 M. Adnan Quaium

Gnome Shell has a single me menu merging sessions  IM status which
also has a link for Control Center. I think having a link in either
the me menu or the session menu is a good idea for consistency with
Gnome 3. The new Control Center is pretty nice but unfortunately it
doesn't look like we'll get it in 11.04 except through the Gnome 3
PPA. My preference is for it to be in the me menu or at least moved
above Log Out in the session menu.

I think putting Control Center on the left launcher by default gives
it way too much prominence as there's limited space there.

Jeremy Bicha

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