Re: [Ayatana] How to disable Music Available for Purchase
instead of bickering about who's right look for a compromise. it's better for everyone that way. yes, the best solution is to uninstall the package but just because we know that doesn't mean that other people do or will feel confident enough that they can do so without breaking their system. personally i just wouldn't want the dash to search the internet for music downloads since i'm not likely to be searching for something i don't have. if i want something i'll make the effort to go buy it. if i'm searching in dash i want something i already own. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Ian Santopietro isan...@gmail.com wrote: I also don't see a problem with the internet being hit with this search, purely from a privacy point of view. I do however agree that the user should be in control with all information sent over the internet. That's not a privacy concern, that's a 'empowering the user' concern. This disempowers the user. This doesn't disempower the user at all. The user is still in full control of their system, and can (easily) remove the scope should they not want the data sent out. To the majority of users, the scope provides a useful service that does much more harm than good, and continues to empower the user, albeit in a different way. Not really apples to apples comparison. Doing a search on a Web browser obviously means to the user that the internet is being used. The user will understand that information is being sent over the internet. I would suspect that doing a search on a Operating System level interface would make the user presume that it wouldn't hit the internet. Why make that presumption? While it is currently quite common, I don't think it's right to assume that trying something new means it will adhere to all previous precedents. This to me appears to be move to prompt users that they could purchase something when they do a search, I don't believe it is an attempt to solve a genuine need of users. The genuine need is to find music. If a user wants to find a particular song, they may not remember if they have it already or not. This way, if they want the song, and they have it, they can open it. If they don't they can get it quickly and easily. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 16:32, James Jenner james.g.jen...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 October 2011 00:44, Ian Santopietro isan...@gmail.com wrote: The thing is this isn't really a privacy issue. Sure, when you open the music lens and search for a song, it looks for the song online. But this isn't tied to the main Dash search (Home icon, or the one that opens by default). So it won't send out information at any time, only when you search on the music lens. And when you search on the music lens, you're looking for a song name, which aren't really confidential. I also don't see a problem with the internet being hit with this search, purely from a privacy point of view. I do however agree that the user should be in control with all information sent over the internet. That's not a privacy concern, that's a 'empowering the user' concern. This disempowers the user. On top of all of this, the data sent isn't any different from running a search on Google or Amazon. It doesn't send any information about *You*, only the query. It's still sending information, but it isn't sensitive, and none of it can be linked to you specifically. Not really apples to apples comparison. Doing a search on a Web browser obviously means to the user that the internet is being used. The user will understand that information is being sent over the internet. I would suspect that doing a search on a Operating System level interface would make the user presume that it wouldn't hit the internet. Overall I have an issue with this, why should the internet be searched when searching a local system for music? If you extend this then that means every single lens should be changed to be consistent, i.e. search the internet for the local counterpart if that information could be online and purchasable. Do a search for a document, well let's search Google Scholar or Amazon, etc. Searching for a program, well lets search for commercial software of the same name that the user could purchase. Searching for a video, lets search search a shop where you can buy it online. This to me appears to be move to prompt users that they could purchase something when they do a search, I don't believe it is an attempt to solve a genuine need of users. A lens for local searching is IMHO the wrong place to try and integrate searches for commercial reasons when the lens is not clearly marked as being for commercial purposes and not marked clearly that it will search the internet. Btw, saying uninstall the music store is not a solution for the casual user and at best is just a workaround. It's not something that is obvious to the user to disable the
Re: [Ayatana] How to disable Music Available for Purchase
On 13 October 2011 00:40, Ian Santopietro isan...@gmail.com wrote: I also don't see a problem with the internet being hit with this search, purely from a privacy point of view. I do however agree that the user should be in control with all information sent over the internet. That's not a privacy concern, that's a 'empowering the user' concern. This disempowers the user. This doesn't disempower the user at all. The user is still in full control of their system, and can (easily) remove the scope should they not want the data sent out. To the majority of users, the scope provides a useful service that does much more harm than good, and continues to empower the user, albeit in a different way. Easily is not defined by manually uninstalling a package that the user may or may not know about (I would presume that the majority of casual users wouldn't even know how to uninstall a package, let alone know what the name is, how to figure out the name, how to uninstall it, the impact of uninstalling it). This to me is the primary concern with this change. I'm not a novice or casual user but there is no way I would have known about uninstalling anything to turn it off without being subscribed to this email list. I wouldn't even know how to uninstall the package without googling first. I don't see any problem with providing such functionality or sending it over the internet. My problem is providing a mechanism that is easy for users to understand and access to turn internet posting off. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a small cog icon somewhere in a lens to change the preferences for the behaviour of the lens. If that doesn't clutter the interface that is. Failing that, it should be an option in a configuration/preferences application for the lenses. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] How to disable Music Available for Purchase
sudo apt-get remove unity-scope-musicstores Thanks a lot for this answer. I like the way Canonical went so fare - brave good decisions - and Unity, but if Ubuntu starts to send out all kind of things to the net. I for my part will not stay and remove every time I do a fresh install these components, I will just move to another flavor (Lubuntu) or leave Ubuntu behind. For the moment my problem is solved with the removal of this package, but what is with all the other average people out there that don't know how to remove it and aren't okay with it either (sending there data unquestioned to the net)? Thibaut ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] How to disable Music Available for Purchase
for some people and in some places it's much more important to keep track of your internet use than in others. for instance the way some places in the world have internet usage caps for some plans that are so low a few youtube videos will easily put someone at their cap. so while one search might not be much they do add up. it doesn't have to be a privacy issue for it to still be an issue. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Ian Santopietro isan...@gmail.com wrote: The thing is this isn't really a privacy issue. Sure, when you open the music lens and search for a song, it looks for the song online. But this isn't tied to the main Dash search (Home icon, or the one that opens by default). So it won't send out information at any time, only when you search on the music lens. And when you search on the music lens, you're looking for a song name, which aren't really confidential. On top of all of this, the data sent isn't any different from running a search on Google or Amazon. It doesn't send any information about *You*, only the query. It's still sending information, but it isn't sensitive, and none of it can be linked to you specifically. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 03:31, Thibaut Brandscheid randal...@web.de wrote: sudo apt-get remove unity-scope-musicstores Thanks a lot for this answer. I like the way Canonical went so fare - brave good decisions - and Unity, but if Ubuntu starts to send out all kind of things to the net. I for my part will not stay and remove every time I do a fresh install these components, I will just move to another flavor (Lubuntu) or leave Ubuntu behind. For the moment my problem is solved with the removal of this package, but what is with all the other average people out there that don't know how to remove it and aren't okay with it either (sending there data unquestioned to the net)? Thibaut ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Ian Santopietro Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Eala Earendel enlga beorohtast Ofer middangeard monnum sended Pa gur yv y porthaur? Public GPG key (RSA): http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x412F52DB1BBF1234 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Josh Strawbridge ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] How to disable Music Available for Purchase
For those people, in those situations, uninstalling the music store scope is the best option. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 13:23, Josh Strawbridge holyknightjos...@gmail.com wrote: for some people and in some places it's much more important to keep track of your internet use than in others. for instance the way some places in the world have internet usage caps for some plans that are so low a few youtube videos will easily put someone at their cap. so while one search might not be much they do add up. it doesn't have to be a privacy issue for it to still be an issue. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Ian Santopietro isan...@gmail.com wrote: The thing is this isn't really a privacy issue. Sure, when you open the music lens and search for a song, it looks for the song online. But this isn't tied to the main Dash search (Home icon, or the one that opens by default). So it won't send out information at any time, only when you search on the music lens. And when you search on the music lens, you're looking for a song name, which aren't really confidential. On top of all of this, the data sent isn't any different from running a search on Google or Amazon. It doesn't send any information about *You*, only the query. It's still sending information, but it isn't sensitive, and none of it can be linked to you specifically. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 03:31, Thibaut Brandscheid randal...@web.de wrote: sudo apt-get remove unity-scope-musicstores Thanks a lot for this answer. I like the way Canonical went so fare - brave good decisions - and Unity, but if Ubuntu starts to send out all kind of things to the net. I for my part will not stay and remove every time I do a fresh install these components, I will just move to another flavor (Lubuntu) or leave Ubuntu behind. For the moment my problem is solved with the removal of this package, but what is with all the other average people out there that don't know how to remove it and aren't okay with it either (sending there data unquestioned to the net)? Thibaut ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Ian Santopietro Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Eala Earendel enlga beorohtast Ofer middangeard monnum sended Pa gur yv y porthaur? Public GPG key (RSA): http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x412F52DB1BBF1234 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Josh Strawbridge ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Ian Santopietro Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Eala Earendel enlga beorohtast Ofer middangeard monnum sended Pa gur yv y porthaur? Public GPG key (RSA): http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x412F52DB1BBF1234 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] How to disable Music Available for Purchase
On 12 October 2011 00:44, Ian Santopietro isan...@gmail.com wrote: The thing is this isn't really a privacy issue. Sure, when you open the music lens and search for a song, it looks for the song online. But this isn't tied to the main Dash search (Home icon, or the one that opens by default). So it won't send out information at any time, only when you search on the music lens. And when you search on the music lens, you're looking for a song name, which aren't really confidential. I also don't see a problem with the internet being hit with this search, purely from a privacy point of view. I do however agree that the user should be in control with all information sent over the internet. That's not a privacy concern, that's a 'empowering the user' concern. This disempowers the user. On top of all of this, the data sent isn't any different from running a search on Google or Amazon. It doesn't send any information about *You*, only the query. It's still sending information, but it isn't sensitive, and none of it can be linked to you specifically. Not really apples to apples comparison. Doing a search on a Web browser obviously means to the user that the internet is being used. The user will understand that information is being sent over the internet. I would suspect that doing a search on a Operating System level interface would make the user presume that it wouldn't hit the internet. Overall I have an issue with this, why should the internet be searched when searching a local system for music? If you extend this then that means every single lens should be changed to be consistent, i.e. search the internet for the local counterpart if that information could be online and purchasable. Do a search for a document, well let's search Google Scholar or Amazon, etc. Searching for a program, well lets search for commercial software of the same name that the user could purchase. Searching for a video, lets search search a shop where you can buy it online. This to me appears to be move to prompt users that they could purchase something when they do a search, I don't believe it is an attempt to solve a genuine need of users. A lens for local searching is IMHO the wrong place to try and integrate searches for commercial reasons when the lens is not clearly marked as being for commercial purposes and not marked clearly that it will search the internet. Btw, saying uninstall the music store is not a solution for the casual user and at best is just a workaround. It's not something that is obvious to the user to disable the 'feature'. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] How to disable Music Available for Purchase
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Thibaut Brandscheid wrote: How to turn the 'Available for Purchase' function in Oneiric off? sudo apt-get remove unity-scope-musicstores Should remove the component in question. -Paul ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
