Re: [Ayatana] Launcher DnD - import applications on DnD start
On 22/02/11 13:28, John Lea wrote: I think there are two different interactions we can implement here, one that is mostly additional functionality and a second that needs further thought and visual design treatment. --- 1) Find all apps that can open a specific file type. In this interaction, when a user starts dragging a file (or files) the 'App Lens' is one of the Launcher icons that highlighted indicating it is a valid drop receptacle. Dragging the file over the app lens launcher icon reveals the app lens showing only the applications which can open the specific file type(s). Use Case 1 - Continued drag and drop The user then continues dragging the file and drops it on a application icon in the app lens. The action closes the app lens and opens the file in the selected application (installing the application first if necessary). We can't just install an app with such a lightweight signal. We need to: * clearly distinguish between apps which are installed, and apps which are not * provide an intermediate do you want to install this confirmation en route to *s*a*t*i*s*f*a*c*t*i*o*n* :-) Use Case 2 - Drop then select The user drops the file on the app lens icon. They then click on the application in the app lens they want to use to open the file. The action closes the app lens and opens the file in the selected application (installing the application first if necessary). I think dropping content on a lens is a concept we should explore in more detail for Natty+1. I can see it being relevant for lenses which might also be storage interfaces - think a Flickr lens. But because a lens is intrinsically open-ended, I find dropping on the lens itself a little mysterious. Gliding *through* the lens, to some more obvious destination, is better, as might be a quicklist-target. Use Case 3 - Abandon action and exit If the user decides to abandon the action they can either: a) drag the file back on to the launcher, this closes the app lens b) drag the file outside of the dash area (only applies to the desktop dash) c) drop the file in any area of the dash that is not a application icon We do need to think through the general case of abandoning a drag-through. Similarly in the drag-through-an-app-spread story. Considerations: a) In the use cases described above, the app lens should display two category headers. These should be Installed Apps that can open .jpg files and Apps Available for Download that can open .jpg files. Both of these categories should be expanded by default. +1 What about cases where there are too many of them? b) For use case 1 (continued drag and drop) dragging the file to the bottom or top of the app lens should initiate a auto-scroll behavior +1 too :-) --- 2) Display the currently installed default app that can open the specific file type in the Launcher (if it is not there already). While I like the interaction because it increases the vocabulary of drag and drop launcher behavior, it is essentially a *slower* way of performing exactly the same action as double clicking or tapping on the file. It is, however, explicit rather than implicit. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Launcher DnD - import applications on DnD start
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Neil Jagdish Patel neil.pa...@canonical.com wrote: I guess you could argue about where it would stop, +1 I think the important is to show clearly that those new tiles are very special ones, not running, not favorites. Seems to add complexity. chr ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Launcher DnD - import applications on DnD start
Great suggestions all! How about this: - if no app on the launcher can handle this type, and there is a default launcher, we put it at the bottom (where it would launch) and wiggle it to call attention to it - we also allow drag to the apps place, which would open (on hover) with the top section showing all known apps which could handle that type Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Launcher DnD - import applications on DnD start
Placing at the bottom will hold challenges for a folded situation, though placing at the top will slide things that would otherwise be stationary. However, since we are known to be in a situation where no icon can possibly resolve the drop (with the exclusion of the trash), perhaps always placing at the top (and sliding existing icons down) is not evil? On Sun, 2011-02-20 at 15:43 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Great suggestions all! How about this: - if no app on the launcher can handle this type, and there is a default launcher, we put it at the bottom (where it would launch) and wiggle it to call attention to it - we also allow drag to the apps place, which would open (on hover) with the top section showing all known apps which could handle that type Mark -- Jason Smith | Desktop Experience Team GNOME Developer Canonical USA Inc. T. +1.248.756.6266 | jason.sm...@canonical.com Ubuntu - Linux for human beings | www.ubuntu.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Launcher DnD - import applications on DnD start
Hi there, I was having a quick conversation with a few people about the new launcher DnD behaviour (highlighting applications which can handle the MIME type from the .desktop file). I thought it would be cool to extend this behavior slightly further so that the launcher will import the default application that handles that file type into your launcher if there isn't an application in the launcher that handles that file type. This is useful if, for example, you want to open an image or video file through drag and drop, but don't need to have Eye of GNOME or Totem cluttering up your launcher all the time (since they are primarily view only applications). What does design and Project Ayatana think? Cheers, Sam -- Sam Spilsbury ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Launcher DnD - import applications on DnD start
Hey Sam, If I understand you right you want to allow applications to be opened on the file by dragging the file to it then im all for it. It doesnt sound like a whole lot of work to get it working either. --fagan On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 23:26 +0800, Sam Spilsbury wrote: Hi there, I was having a quick conversation with a few people about the new launcher DnD behaviour (highlighting applications which can handle the MIME type from the .desktop file). I thought it would be cool to extend this behavior slightly further so that the launcher will import the default application that handles that file type into your launcher if there isn't an application in the launcher that handles that file type. This is useful if, for example, you want to open an image or video file through drag and drop, but don't need to have Eye of GNOME or Totem cluttering up your launcher all the time (since they are primarily view only applications). What does design and Project Ayatana think? Cheers, Sam ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Launcher DnD - import applications on DnD start
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Shane Fagan shanepatrickfa...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hey Sam, If I understand you right you want to allow applications to be opened on the file by dragging the file to it then im all for it. This is already implemented. Rather what I was thinking was that if an application that handles that MIME type isn't already in the launcher, then it will be temporarily added to the launcher. It doesnt sound like a whole lot of work to get it working either. --fagan On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 23:26 +0800, Sam Spilsbury wrote: Hi there, I was having a quick conversation with a few people about the new launcher DnD behaviour (highlighting applications which can handle the MIME type from the .desktop file). I thought it would be cool to extend this behavior slightly further so that the launcher will import the default application that handles that file type into your launcher if there isn't an application in the launcher that handles that file type. This is useful if, for example, you want to open an image or video file through drag and drop, but don't need to have Eye of GNOME or Totem cluttering up your launcher all the time (since they are primarily view only applications). What does design and Project Ayatana think? Cheers, Sam -- Sam Spilsbury ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Launcher DnD - import applications on DnD start
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 23:26 +0800, Sam Spilsbury wrote: Hi there, I was having a quick conversation with a few people about the new launcher DnD behaviour (highlighting applications which can handle the MIME type from the .desktop file). I thought it would be cool to extend this behavior slightly further so that the launcher will import the default application that handles that file type into your launcher if there isn't an application in the launcher that handles that file type. This is useful if, for example, you want to open an image or video file through drag and drop, but don't need to have Eye of GNOME or Totem cluttering up your launcher all the time (since they are primarily view only applications). What does design and Project Ayatana think? Personally, I think that would be a very, very useful feature. I guess you could argue about where it would stop, but I think even showing the default app that can handle that filetype at the and of the launcher application icons (i.e. where it would open), would be pretty awesome. -- Neil Jagdish Patel | Technical Lead Desktop Experience Team Canonical 27 Floor, Millbank Tower London SW1P 4QP Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings www.canonical.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Launcher DnD - import applications on DnD start
I think showing the default app is the ideal. We could always have it show in a standard place. There would need to be some design on this one but it should be possible. On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 15:53 +, Neil Jagdish Patel wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 23:26 +0800, Sam Spilsbury wrote: Hi there, I was having a quick conversation with a few people about the new launcher DnD behaviour (highlighting applications which can handle the MIME type from the .desktop file). I thought it would be cool to extend this behavior slightly further so that the launcher will import the default application that handles that file type into your launcher if there isn't an application in the launcher that handles that file type. This is useful if, for example, you want to open an image or video file through drag and drop, but don't need to have Eye of GNOME or Totem cluttering up your launcher all the time (since they are primarily view only applications). What does design and Project Ayatana think? Personally, I think that would be a very, very useful feature. I guess you could argue about where it would stop, but I think even showing the default app that can handle that filetype at the and of the launcher application icons (i.e. where it would open), would be pretty awesome. -- Jason Smith | Desktop Experience Team GNOME Developer Canonical USA Inc. T. +1.248.756.6266 | jason.sm...@canonical.com Ubuntu - Linux for human beings | www.ubuntu.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Launcher DnD - import applications on DnD start
Showing only the default app is not the best thing I think, because opening the file with the default application can be done by simply double-clicking the file. It would be nice to use this possibility to show all the apps that can open the file (based on the mime type), and the file would be opened with the app that the file icon has been dragged into. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Jason Smith jason.sm...@canonical.comwrote: I think showing the default app is the ideal. We could always have it show in a standard place. There would need to be some design on this one but it should be possible. On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 15:53 +, Neil Jagdish Patel wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 23:26 +0800, Sam Spilsbury wrote: Hi there, I was having a quick conversation with a few people about the new launcher DnD behaviour (highlighting applications which can handle the MIME type from the .desktop file). I thought it would be cool to extend this behavior slightly further so that the launcher will import the default application that handles that file type into your launcher if there isn't an application in the launcher that handles that file type. This is useful if, for example, you want to open an image or video file through drag and drop, but don't need to have Eye of GNOME or Totem cluttering up your launcher all the time (since they are primarily view only applications). What does design and Project Ayatana think? Personally, I think that would be a very, very useful feature. I guess you could argue about where it would stop, but I think even showing the default app that can handle that filetype at the and of the launcher application icons (i.e. where it would open), would be pretty awesome. -- Jason Smith | Desktop Experience Team GNOME Developer Canonical USA Inc. T. +1.248.756.6266 | jason.sm...@canonical.com Ubuntu - Linux for human beings | www.ubuntu.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Launcher DnD - import applications on DnD start
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 18:10 +0200, Roth Robert wrote: Showing only the default app is not the best thing I think, because opening the file with the default application can be done by simply double-clicking the file. It would be nice to use this possibility to show all the apps that can open the file (based on the mime type), and the file would be opened with the app that the file icon has been dragged into. Hmm this is a good point, maybe 2 or 3 then? Certainly we want to cap it. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Jason Smith jason.sm...@canonical.com wrote: I think showing the default app is the ideal. We could always have it show in a standard place. There would need to be some design on this one but it should be possible. On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 15:53 +, Neil Jagdish Patel wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 23:26 +0800, Sam Spilsbury wrote: Hi there, I was having a quick conversation with a few people about the new launcher DnD behaviour (highlighting applications which can handle the MIME type from the .desktop file). I thought it would be cool to extend this behavior slightly further so that the launcher will import the default application that handles that file type into your launcher if there isn't an application in the launcher that handles that file type. This is useful if, for example, you want to open an image or video file through drag and drop, but don't need to have Eye of GNOME or Totem cluttering up your launcher all the time (since they are primarily view only applications). What does design and Project Ayatana think? Personally, I think that would be a very, very useful feature. I guess you could argue about where it would stop, but I think even showing the default app that can handle that filetype at the and of the launcher application icons (i.e. where it would open), would be pretty awesome. -- Jason Smith | Desktop Experience Team GNOME Developer Canonical USA Inc. T. +1.248.756.6266 | jason.sm...@canonical.com Ubuntu - Linux for human beings | www.ubuntu.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Jason Smith | Desktop Experience Team GNOME Developer Canonical USA Inc. T. +1.248.756.6266 | jason.sm...@canonical.com Ubuntu - Linux for human beings | www.ubuntu.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Launcher DnD - import applications on DnD start
Well I think that this it's unnecessary, it's more quickly and simple open a file with right click and select Open with instate drug and drop the file into the launcher and select the app we want. El jue, 10-02-2011 a las 11:18 -0500, Jason Smith escribió: On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 18:10 +0200, Roth Robert wrote: Showing only the default app is not the best thing I think, because opening the file with the default application can be done by simply double-clicking the file. It would be nice to use this possibility to show all the apps that can open the file (based on the mime type), and the file would be opened with the app that the file icon has been dragged into. Hmm this is a good point, maybe 2 or 3 then? Certainly we want to cap it. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Jason Smith jason.sm...@canonical.com wrote: I think showing the default app is the ideal. We could always have it show in a standard place. There would need to be some design on this one but it should be possible. On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 15:53 +, Neil Jagdish Patel wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 23:26 +0800, Sam Spilsbury wrote: Hi there, I was having a quick conversation with a few people about the new launcher DnD behaviour (highlighting applications which can handle the MIME type from the .desktop file). I thought it would be cool to extend this behavior slightly further so that the launcher will import the default application that handles that file type into your launcher if there isn't an application in the launcher that handles that file type. This is useful if, for example, you want to open an image or video file through drag and drop, but don't need to have Eye of GNOME or Totem cluttering up your launcher all the time (since they are primarily view only applications). What does design and Project Ayatana think? Personally, I think that would be a very, very useful feature. I guess you could argue about where it would stop, but I think even showing the default app that can handle that filetype at the and of the launcher application icons (i.e. where it would open), would be pretty awesome. -- Jason Smith | Desktop Experience Team GNOME Developer Canonical USA Inc. T. +1.248.756.6266 | jason.sm...@canonical.com Ubuntu - Linux for human beings | www.ubuntu.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Launcher DnD - import applications on DnD start
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011, [ISO-8859-1] Mart�n A. Casco wrote: El jue, 10-02-2011 a las 11:18 -0500, Jason Smith escribió: Hmm this is a good point, maybe 2 or 3 then? quickly and simple open a file with right click Unless the pointer is your finger... -Paul ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
