Re: [Ayatana] Me Messaging Indicator Menu
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frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote on 28/12/10 20:40:
MPT, here's shot at it, i took my time to do it in Inkscape now ;)
it portrays a new Me/Messaging Menu layout.
That's intriguing. I don't understand what the gap is for, though, or
how the bottom items work. Are they expanding sections?
So that people can easily tell where where one menu stops and the next
begins, all menu titles need to be one icon and/or (preferably or) one
piece of text. Three icons plus text is way too much.
state:
* DoNotDisturb is off
* About Me needs a good place to go
I think Gnome 3 is (finally!) abandoning About Me anyway.
* no new IM conversations ('cause i'm not sure how to populate that
view best)
* no status text field for now..
A design for something like this needs to still look okay when including
all possible elements. You can decide to abolish particular elements,
but it needs to be deliberate. :-)
* real name in panel, consistent with GDM greeter
That should still be optional (because some people have wide names), so
if we don't have About Me, we'd need to figure out somewhere else to put
the option.
tbh, i still don't see the significance of having available, invisible
and offline in the menu, nevertheless here it is, by the spec.
They're three distinct states in most IM clients. But that's probably
better discussed in the do not disturb thread.
In our effort to reduce the number of icons in the UI, i also omitted
the dot that would identify which Presence state is currently enabled.
I think that should be obvious, since it is shown in the panel already,
and there are more icon-free ways of highlighting stuff as active,
Perhaps the text busy should be bold-faced?
...
Whether the status is in the title depends on how you fix the title (to
not have three icons any more). But regardless, simplifying this menu by
presenting a one-of-several state (IM status) in a custom way would make
Ubuntu's *overall* interface more complex. People would need to learn
two ways that Ubuntu presented one-of-several states, rather than one.
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Re: [Ayatana] Me Messaging Indicator Menu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 dani wrote on 31/12/10 14:24: i made some mockups that i think are a good and simple solution for this problem, i hope you like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Maverick/redesign_memenu%26mesagemenu ... I do like. That's the best design I've seen so far. The IM statuses are a bit awkward as a submenu. The harder it is to set my status to Away, the less likely it is that I'll bother at all. Maybe we could make room for IM statuses in the top-level menu, by taking an idea from Conscious User and dropping the Contact List and New Message items. - -- mpt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0m52AACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecoFpwCdEYadpxi0kFhAxt2umkTvfHY7 z+0AoMHFFojUDt7zbGdwxgoJGY6VCZYY =eg66 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Me Messaging Indicator Menu
Hi mpt, On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:07, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Nnaji wrote on 27/12/10 18:42: On Mon, 2010-12-27 at 17:23 +0100, zekopeko wrote: Since Unity has access to OpenGL it would be nice to have a more shiny effect showing when a new message comes. Some sort of moving particle effect. yeah, particle engine stuff would be sexy indeed, but spec says we want no more than 1 frame / sec on the indicator icons. ... That doesn't sound right. What specification are you referring to? oh yeah, it's not exactly a specification, these were Design Recommendations on the GNOME Status Indicators Research page¹: Status icons should use a style that is consistent with the text and menus present on the top panel. In general, these icons should use colors in a considered and measured way. Icons and indicators must not change rapidly or abruptly (not more than once a second). Icon changes should transition smoothly. on a side note: ..in the Use Guidelines² i really fell in love with the simple example they use for Fullscreen Controls. The controls are in the middle of the content area and they still don't get in the way, because they are semi-transparent, using symbolic icons and decent in color ( i.e. not too loud ). ¹ http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Research/StatusIndicators ² http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/SymbolicIcons/UseGuidelines ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Me Messaging Indicator Menu
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:46, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote:
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frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote on 28/12/10 20:40:
MPT, here's shot at it, i took my time to do it in Inkscape now ;)
it portrays a new Me/Messaging Menu layout.
That's intriguing. I don't understand what the gap is for, though, or
how the bottom items work. Are they expanding sections?
yes, i thought so at first, but then i changed the design again, because
that was too much FX for one little menu imo.
Now i think Mail should have 1 single inbox item for all folders. Perhaps 1
Item per email account.
The bottom items should basically take you to the next more detailed view,
be it a preview or the respective app itself.
So yeah, in this version of the design they were meant as expanding
sections, just like the AppIndicator part on the Wingpanel up top.
So that people can easily tell where where one menu stops and the next
begins, all menu titles need to be one icon and/or (preferably or) one
piece of text. Three icons plus text is way too much.
yessurrr, i coming to notice that gradually, cleaning that up now..
state:
* DoNotDisturb is off
* About Me needs a good place to go
I think Gnome 3 is (finally!) abandoning About Me anyway.
i liked how you simplified About Me[1].
Perhaps this could be some kind of card that i can flip around, in order
to add or manage my service accounts!?
..for popular social networking services, email, IM etc..
( * service)dropdown:[Google|Yahoo!|Jabber|Facebook|Skype|...]
* no new IM conversations ('cause i'm not sure how to populate that
view best)
* no status text field for now..
A design for something like this needs to still look okay when including
all possible elements. You can decide to abolish particular elements,
but it needs to be deliberate. :-)
fixing that now, thanks!
* real name in panel, consistent with GDM greeter
That should still be optional (because some people have wide names), so
if we don't have About Me, we'd need to figure out somewhere else to put
the option.
As stated above, i like your redesign of About Me very much, i think that is
where things should go.
About Me should be a place for everything about me, my facebook, my google,
my this and my that, all in one compact overview.
tbh, i still don't see the significance of having available, invisible
and offline in the menu, nevertheless here it is, by the spec.
They're three distinct states in most IM clients. But that's probably
better discussed in the do not disturb thread.
The Me Menu is not an IM client, it is a system status menu, that's why i
see it a bit differently at the moment, until i understand the design
intentions better..
In our effort to reduce the number of icons in the UI, i also omitted
the dot that would identify which Presence state is currently enabled.
I think that should be obvious, since it is shown in the panel already,
and there are more icon-free ways of highlighting stuff as active,
Perhaps the text busy should be bold-faced?
...
Whether the status is in the title depends on how you fix the title (to
not have three icons any more).
i fixed that. Now i'm not sure the bubble is good enough a symbol for the
menu..
It is not generic since it refers to speech somehow, but that can also be
an advantage..
But regardless, simplifying this menu by
presenting a one-of-several state (IM status) in a custom way would make
Ubuntu's *overall* interface more complex. People would need to learn
two ways that Ubuntu presented one-of-several states, rather than one.
Do you mean using a custom icon would make things confusing?
I didn't quite understand this last paragraph, though i smell some valuable
insight..
[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu#Changes%20to%20About%20Me
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Re: [Ayatana] Me Messaging Indicator Menu
On 01/01/11 03:06, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: Status Text Status text has 2 applications we are trying to address, a problem not solved by the spec as up to now. 1) IM status text aka motto aka custom status 2) Social Stream status message aka tweet aka blog aka status update With regards to the IM status, I would further divide motto and custom status into two separate categories. 1) A *motto* tends to be a quote or phrase used for purposes of self-expression, and as such its infrequently changed. 2) A *custom status* to be a more specific status (e.g. sleeping, gone shopping, etc...) not covered by the standard online, away and busy status messages. I realise of course that in most, if not all instances these two categories are indistinct in that they use the same mechanism/field. However I would suggest that a *motto* field be placed in the *about me* dialogue, and an option to add *custom statuses* such that they would appear alongside the standard statuses in the *me menu*. The *motto* could then be treated as the nominal *IM status*, only being overridden whilst a *custom status* is enacted, and being restored once the *custom status* has been revoked. That way the text field (in the *me menu*) can be used exclusively for *social media statuses* (as it is now, I believe) which tend to be updated a lot more often (when used). As an aside; the ideal solution to *custom statuses* would be if to defined then *as statuses* within the client/protocol itself. That would however require protocol updates to WLM/Yahoo/GTalk which are not likely forthcoming. :( Kind Regards, Lee Hyde. On 01/01/11 01:45, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Dani, Conscious ;) On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 19:56, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com mailto:consciousu...@aol.com wrote: Good job getting rid of the clutter, Daniel, but I was a little troubled with the visual inconsistency, so I'm attaching here the mockup of a suggestion to turn both status changing and publishing into submenus. This allows us to be more confortable to add more complexity to the publishing, such as the account selection originally proposed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu#Use%20cases Le vendredi 31 décembre 2010 à 15:24 +0100, dani a écrit : i made some mockups that i think are a good and simple solution for this problem, i hope you like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Maverick/redesign_memenu% 26mesagemenu pd: the last mockup i include a control panel option, this pice is redesigned on gnome 3 and i think is a good option to global all user preference options. http://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings I think it's really good to have only one icon for messaging and Presence up in the panel, much tidier, less confusing. Which one will it be now? The envelope doesn't really indicate presence, wouldn't perhaps the speech bubble make sense up there as an indicator icon for the merged menu? I like the mockups very much, they take what's there and just make it work as one, efficient and neat! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism. Let me illustrate. Patriotism assumes that our globe is divided into little spots, each one surrounded by an iron gate. Those who have had the fortune of being born on some particular spot consider themselves nobler, better, grander, more intelligent than those living beings inhabiting any other spot. It is, therefore, the duty of everyone living on that chosen spot to fight, kill and die in the attempt to impose his superiority upon all the others. -- Emma Goldman, What is Patriotism? (1908) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Me Messaging Indicator Menu
i made some mockups that i think are a good and simple solution for this problem, i hope you like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Maverick/redesign_memenu%26mesagemenu pd: the last mockup i include a control panel option, this pice is redesigned on gnome 3 and i think is a good option to global all user preference options. http://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings Daniel Planas.A lightgraphite.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Hey Dani, Conscious ;) On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 19:56, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com wrote: Good job getting rid of the clutter, Daniel, but I was a little troubled with the visual inconsistency, so I'm attaching here the mockup of a suggestion to turn both status changing and publishing into submenus. This allows us to be more confortable to add more complexity to the publishing, such as the account selection originally proposed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu#Use%20cases Le vendredi 31 décembre 2010 à 15:24 +0100, dani a écrit : i made some mockups that i think are a good and simple solution for this problem, i hope you like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Maverick/redesign_memenu% 26mesagemenu pd: the last mockup i include a control panel option, this pice is redesigned on gnome 3 and i think is a good option to global all user preference options. http://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings I think it's really good to have only one icon for messaging and Presence up in the panel, much tidier, less confusing. Which one will it be now? The envelope doesn't really indicate presence, wouldn't perhaps the speech bubble make sense up there as an indicator icon for the merged menu? I like the mockups very much, they take what's there and just make it work as one, efficient and neat! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Looking at the mockup and it looks pretty good. The one problem I see right away that stands out, is how to notify the user of incoming messages via changing the icon color, like the message envelope currently does - if we change the status icon's color, nobody will notice. other than that problem, it looks much better than i expected. quite nice. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:20 PM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: so here's another shot at it.. please point out problems you can find with this layout! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Spike Burch spi...@gmail.com wrote: Looking at the mockup and it looks pretty good. The one problem I see right away that stands out, is how to notify the user of incoming messages via changing the icon color, like the message envelope currently does - if we change the status icon's color, nobody will notice. other than that problem, it looks much better than i expected. quite nice. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:20 PM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: so here's another shot at it.. please point out problems you can find with this layout! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp Since Unity has access to OpenGL it would be nice to have a more shiny effect showing when a new message comes. Some sort of moving particle effect. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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On Mon, 2010-12-27 at 17:23 +0100, zekopeko wrote: Since Unity has access to OpenGL it would be nice to have a more shiny effect showing when a new message comes. Some sort of moving particle effect. yeah, particle engine stuff would be sexy indeed, but spec says we want no more than 1 frame / sec on the indicator icons. They are meant to be symbolic, not entertaining. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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On 24/12/2010 04:27, Frederik Nnaji wrote: Hi Jan, you could attach a text file for example.. I wouldn't mind seeing your mockup properly, so that i can learn from it. holla Hi, I've attached a screenshots of how the mock-ups where meant. For clearity I added an 1px wide box around each different example. Greetings, Jan. attachment: Untitled.png___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Hi Jan, On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 22:58, Jan Hopmans hopkabouter...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/12/2010 04:27, Frederik Nnaji wrote: Hi Jan, you could attach a text file for example.. I wouldn't mind seeing your mockup properly, so that i can learn from it. holla Hi, I've attached a screenshots of how the mock-ups where meant. For clearity I added an 1px wide box around each different example. thanks a lot, i get it now! Conscious User made it so, that Social Streams and Email are equally shown as inboxes, instead of as individual mails. At first i agreed with this way of displaying messages, but when i see your mockups i want to consider People-based Indicators again. I'm just a little afraid that, if not seperated by service type (social stream / email / chat account), the messaging menu will be flooded with one service type, while another service type will find it hard to visibly populate the menu in between all the noise.. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Where did you put your panel at? On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:20 PM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: so here's another shot at it.. please point out problems you can find with this layout! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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This layout does not have any calendar... Where are the clock and calendar at?? Is this your full screen screenshot? On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:20 PM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: so here's another shot at it.. please point out problems you can find with this layout! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Hi phong, On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 17:24, Phong Cao Viet phn...@gmail.com wrote: This layout does not have any calendar... Where are the clock and calendar at?? Is this your full screen screenshot? thanks for having a look at the mockup. It is a design, a drawing, it is not an actuall application. Also is this focused on Indicator-Me for now, the goal was to merge the Messaging Menu and the Me Menu into one single menu, at least to suggest designs for that. I should have annotated my design, i'll see if i can get to that in all this x-mas fuzz ;) nnaji ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Hi Saleel, On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:36, Saleel Velankar svela...@gmail.com wrote: I took a crack at making a mockup, please let me know what you think. :) very nice and neat mockup! from the looks of it.. did you target a mobile platform? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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This mockup is nice... I like the way you made the short top panel... It will really reduces lots of unnecessary black from the desktop, which is kinda ugly. I know this is kinda weird... but what is gonna happen if my list is longer, like if I have lots of social network account or lots of friends online... will the messaging menu keep going down? We should have like an extend button for the menu. Or maybe just extend the menu horizontally, not vertically like this... What do you guys think? Another solution might be making it less wordy... I think the messaging menu should only contains icons instead of words (Except for the online list)... The words will appear when the user navigate their mouse on the icons... That will help reduce lots of unncessary space... Do you guys have any idea yet for the left panel of Unity? On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:35 PM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi phong, On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 17:24, Phong Cao Viet phn...@gmail.com wrote: This layout does not have any calendar... Where are the clock and calendar at?? Is this your full screen screenshot? thanks for having a look at the mockup. It is a design, a drawing, it is not an actuall application. Also is this focused on Indicator-Me for now, the goal was to merge the Messaging Menu and the Me Menu into one single menu, at least to suggest designs for that. I should have annotated my design, i'll see if i can get to that in all this x-mas fuzz ;) nnaji ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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On 23/12/2010 18:59, Phong Cao Viet wrote:
I know this is kinda weird... but what is gonna happen if my list is
longer, like if I have lots of social network account or lots of
friends online... will the messaging menu keep going down?
I might be missing something very obvious, but why not show all messages
in one single list. No difference between network.
You could always add another with
Some text 'mock-ups'
Messages (10)
Show: Last 3
---
S.Holmes (Twitter)
@me I love your last tweet!
---
P.Park(E-mail)
Fwd: A new hoax.
Buy me some viagra!
--
M.other(Facebook)
Some message.
...and 10 other messages.
- * 'Last 3' could also be 'First 3'
- Clicking '...and 10 other messages.' shows the other messages in que.
- Clicking a message should bring up a simple message+reply box. Some
brainstorm text-drawing:
Reply.
(Email)
J. Assange
Fwd: Password
{message}
(Save as draft) (Send)
Reply.
(Twitter)
@Assange: I love you!
(Send)
If the mailinglist has no breaking spaces these drafts are fucked up.
Tell me and I will try something better. =) It's just a fast draft. I've
already been up to long. Some feedback would be nice.
Have a nice christmas,
Jan.
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Re: [Ayatana] Me Messaging Indicator Menu
Hi Jan,
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 03:42 +0100, Jan Hopmans wrote:
On 23/12/2010 18:59, Phong Cao Viet wrote:
I know this is kinda weird... but what is gonna happen if my list is
longer, like if I have lots of social network account or lots of
friends online... will the messaging menu keep going down?
I might be missing something very obvious, but why not show all messages
in one single list. No difference between network.
You could always add another with
Some text 'mock-ups'
Messages (10)
Show: Last 3
---
S.Holmes (Twitter)
@me I love your last tweet!
---
P.Park(E-mail)
Fwd: A new hoax.
Buy me some viagra!
--
M.other(Facebook)
Some message.
...and 10 other messages.
- * 'Last 3' could also be 'First 3'
- Clicking '...and 10 other messages.' shows the other messages in que.
- Clicking a message should bring up a simple message+reply box. Some
brainstorm text-drawing:
Reply.
(Email)
J. Assange
Fwd: Password
{message}
(Save as draft) (Send)
Reply.
(Twitter)
@Assange: I love you!
(Send)
If the mailinglist has no breaking spaces these drafts are fucked up.
Tell me and I will try something better. =) It's just a fast draft. I've
already been up to long. Some feedback would be nice.
you could attach a text file for example..
I wouldn't mind seeing your mockup properly, so that i can learn from
it.
holla
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Re: [Ayatana] Me Messaging Indicator Menu
Hi everyone, On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:42 AM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: I thought of Tabs, and i still do, i guess i just wanted to prove to myself that all this stuff fints vertically into one single unified menu. Making it pretty to reduce clutter and confusion is the next step. Tabs would appear as a block of Icons In the panel. Tabs inside a menu don't look nice, imo. Tabs on the panel: then, which are the difference between having different indicators/menus in the panel? I don't think it would be a good idea to unit Me and Messaging Menu on a single Menu, it looks too cluttered. I prefer to properly separate the functions (not services) on each of the Menus: * Messaging Menu: inbox (get new mail, get new IM, get social messages, etc..) * Me Menu: outbox (set presence status, write new mail, write new IM messages, broadcast new social message, etc...) And maybe it could be a good idea to put them two together on the panel, without the Time/Date Menu between them as it is now. Cheers! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Me Messaging Indicator Menu
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:01, Oscar RdG oscar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:42 AM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: I thought of Tabs, and i still do, i guess i just wanted to prove to myself that all this stuff fints vertically into one single unified menu. Making it pretty to reduce clutter and confusion is the next step. Tabs would appear as a block of Icons In the panel. Tabs inside a menu don't look nice, imo. true. Tabs on the panel: then, which are the difference between having different indicators/menus in the panel? true, too. I attempted a layout like that.. it meant no improvement at all. I don't think it would be a good idea to unit Me and Messaging Menu on a single Menu, it looks too cluttered. Somehow i think you're right. Suggesting to merge the two is another way of saying that the currently implemented solution is illogical. Whether merging the two as is would result in anything more useful is another problem now ;) In order to improve the situation, we need to figure out the logic of the existing system, and where it is flawed. Let's start with the envelope icon. Does it represent all of the Messaging Menu's content sufficiently? * instant messages * VoIP calls * broadcast feed updates * news feed updates * as a matter of fact, all feed updates * filetransfer requests * contact requests aka friend requests (true?) * emails The way i understand it, the envelope metaphor symbolizes only one of these: email. I prefer to properly separate the functions (not services) on each of the Menus: * Messaging Menu: inbox (get new mail, get new IM, get social messages, etc..) * Me Menu: outbox (set presence status, write new mail, write new IM messages, broadcast new social message, etc...) That's not how i understand the two menus to function, and the discrepancy between how you see it and how others see it shows, that the semantics of these two menus are ambiguous and not at all straightforward. Me Menu is not an outbox. Messaging Menu is not an inbox. What is the Me Menu? There should be a “Me menu” representing you in Ubuntu. ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu ) ..further down on the same page: The Me menu is the first port of call for the user to express their status and their identities to the world. My own rephrasing of this: About Me with some social juice in it. and what about the Messaging Menu? The messaging menu provides quick access to messages concerning you that you may not have seen. says its Wiki on Ubuntu.com. This would include system messages? Update notifications? Error messages? Success messages? If that sentence by itself alone is correct, then i'd suggest merging the messaging menu with a notify OSD log, since that would make more sense to me. Then we would have all types of notification or indication worthy messages in one place, until they are acknowledged. And maybe it could be a good idea to put them two together on the panel, without the Time/Date Menu between them as it is now. i do that everytime ;) In Unity i can't so i had to start working on mockups to improve the default situation! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Me Messaging Indicator Menu
Hello, Hmm... don't like it very much, and mainly because of the menu having too much information. The user won't need chat, broadcast, a contact list, mail, silent mode and About me... at the same time. Maybe we should have tabs at the top of the menu that brings out each section when clicked? Thanks nonetheless for the mock-up, Mohamed Amine IL Idrissi On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:21 AM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: v0.2 ;) guys, i need feedback if this is ever gonna make sense.. thanks for sharing your opinions! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Me Messaging Indicator Menu
hi Mohamed, On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 18:03, ilidrissiam...@gmail.com ilidrissiam...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Hmm... don't like it very much, and mainly because of the menu having too much information. The user won't need chat, broadcast, a contact list, mail, silent mode and About me... at the same time. Maybe we should have tabs at the top of the menu that brings out each section when clicked? Thanks nonetheless for the mock-up, Mohamed Amine IL Idrissi thanks for kindly taking your time to offer your consideration! I thought of Tabs, and i still do, i guess i just wanted to prove to myself that all this stuff fints vertically into one single unified menu. Making it pretty to reduce clutter and confusion is the next step. Tabs would appear as a block of Icons In the panel. I was thinking of 1 Icon per service type, i.e. one for IM, one for Broadcast and one for Mail. Now having extra tabs is not necessarily better, because the overview component would nolonger be there.. I'll try iterations of this mockup, considering your criticism! anybody else? Does anybody think it unreasonable to unite Me Messaging Menu? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Me Messaging Indicator Menu
okyey.. here's a shot at it.. the much bespoken merge of Me Menu and Messaging Menu. i added some spacing between the Me-part and the Session Indicator, that helped a lot. Proximity is a strong semantic means of expression, so i tried to balance it with accessibility a bit.. comments, thoughts, ideas? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
