Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:27:08 + From: m...@canonical.com To: Ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote on 20/10/11 16:34: ... For some people, it is useful to open particular applications or documents every time they log in. ... I'd appreciate your feedback on the design. https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/LoginItems ... Thanks everyone for your feedback. I've made some changes based on your suggestions. https://live.gnome.org/action/info/Design/SystemSettings/LoginItems?action=diffrev2=18rev1=17 Omar B. wrote on 20/10/11 19:37: I like where things are going here, but wouldn't it be better to have a remember session(s) option (currently xfce, kde, etc. have it), Remembering what was open when you logged out is an orthogonal problem: you might want to do that instead, or as well. The Gnome developers seem incapable of implementing it, but there was a session at UDS about making the previous partly-working implementation available once more. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-gnome-session also kde has Activities which is really great feature, is like having multiple user sessions with its own preferences, but very easy to manage, add , delete, stop ,etc. Can you give some examples of use cases for that? mpt I think a lot of the goals/features are similar, but since am not that familiar with the technical details for kde4 activities, i found these to be much better explained here: http://bsmith1012.blogspot.com/2011/02/my-kde-ideas-activities.html http://bsmith1012.blogspot.com/2011/02/changes-in-kde-46-activities.html ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
I actually wrote about this in another ayatana topic, and it seemed to get positive responses. You could have separate launcher tiles on each of the 4 workspaces. That way you could have one for work applications, one for multimedia, one for games etc. For new users to set this up, this is something that would need a simple dialogue. As well as an on/off dialogue, it could use the dash categories as a starting point so a category could be chosen for each desktop, and any new relevent applications could be added to the appropriate launcher. Example: Lets say the user has some important work to get done. They go to open LO from the launcher. But then they notice a game icon, and decide to play a game instead. If the workspace only had work tiles on the launcher, it means the applications they need would be easier to get to, and the desktop could be customised to reduce distractions. On 19/11/11 21:27, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: also kde has Activities which is really great feature, is like having multiple user sessions with its own preferences, but very easy to manage, add , delete, stop ,etc. Can you give some examples of use cases for that? Sense Egbert Hofstede wrote on 22/10/11 13:53: - -- mpt - ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.comwrote: Hi Matthew, in your design, is the checkbox close to the application useful for having the application minimized (as Apple do)? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. Maybe the design is unclear. Do you remember what made you think that? Just because Apple does it like that :) But maybe is not such an important feature to have applications minimized, for sake of simplicity, is it? chr ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
Hi Matthew, in your design, is the checkbox close to the application useful for having the application minimized (as Apple do)? Said that, I have to agree with the comment from AllanDay, I am not sure why you would want a file selector considering that some applications (including browsers) already keep memory of the opened files before they quit. Cheers, chr On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.comwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks For some people, it is useful to open particular applications or documents every time they log in. (For example, every day when I log in at work, I launch XChat, Firefox, and a time sheet text document.) Every version of Ubuntu has had a Startup Applications settings window for choosing applications to open automatically at login. Gnome 3 in Ubuntu 11.10 now has an integrated System Settings window (gnome-control-center). But it does not yet integrate these particular settings. So, yesterday I finished a design for these settings in the System Settings window. My design extends the existing User Accounts panel; this avoids adding an extra panel, lets administrators troubleshoot login items for other accounts, and lets them set items for the guest account. It also allows opening files, not just applications. I'd appreciate your feedback on the design. https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/LoginItems Cheers - -- mpt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6gP2sACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecoWiACgvXz7AU7WCnKLQQe3JLdAMMiv e+QAn0ziqngFlwI4G8Et3EDDnEGHBInU =f3De -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote on 20/10/11 16:34: ... For some people, it is useful to open particular applications or documents every time they log in. ... I'd appreciate your feedback on the design. https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/LoginItems ... Thanks everyone for your feedback. I've made some changes based on your suggestions. https://live.gnome.org/action/info/Design/SystemSettings/LoginItems?action=diffrev2=18rev1=17 tommy wrote on 20/10/11 16:41: ... It would be nice if this panel could have option to start the application minimized - for example Empathy, Skype or Pidgin. That would be awkward to implement (for example, what if you choose to have one bookmark minimized and another not, and the browser opens them as tabs in the same window?), but I've added it as a possible future enhancement. And a feature, which I think some users will find useful - startup applications added by system administrator (that cannot be deleted by ordinary user) - for example some scripts that will log something, or download something to the desktop. Good idea, I've added that as a future enhancement too. Jeremy Bicha wrote on 20/10/11 17:48: ... GNOME has really overloaded the Shell term. I'd suggest renaming Add Shell Command to something like Add Custom Command. Good point. Changed. In your mockup of the Add Shell Command dialog, you show a file folder; I think that's a bad idea as the file-browser isn't really a good way to look for shell commands. Why not? You don't have to use it, but it's a place to start if you've forgotten the name of a command (e.g. epiphany-browser). If it's not too difficult to add, bash auto-completion would be cool though. Good idea. Added. ... A drop-down box for the + button is new to GNOME, isn't it? Yes, Didier Roche had far more difficulty than he should have in implementing the same thing for OneConf. It needs fixing in GTK. As a side point, I think if Name Photo Security are 2 separate subpanels, then those subpanels would be mostly empty. ... Not if the Photo panel actually let you take a photo, like the installer does. Evan Huus wrote on 20/10/11 17:50: ... One thing that I would like it to support is mounting partitions. I have my music on a separate internal NTFS partition so that it can be accessed by Windows. At the moment, the first thing I have to do when I log in is browse to that folder in Nautilus so that it gets mounted (by gvfs?). The only way currently to have a partition auto-mount on login is via /etc/fstab, which affects all users and requires root access. An Add Partition... option below the Add Shell Command... option would be absolutely fantastic. (Obviously the label and location are subject to change). ... I don't quite understand the problem here. Why do you need to mount the partition when you log in? Omar B. wrote on 20/10/11 19:37: I like where things are going here, but wouldn't it be better to have a remember session(s) option (currently xfce, kde, etc. have it), Remembering what was open when you logged out is an orthogonal problem: you might want to do that instead, or as well. The Gnome developers seem incapable of implementing it, but there was a session at UDS about making the previous partly-working implementation available once more. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-gnome-session also kde has Activities which is really great feature, is like having multiple user sessions with its own preferences, but very easy to manage, add , delete, stop ,etc. Can you give some examples of use cases for that? Sense Egbert Hofstede wrote on 22/10/11 13:53: ... I like your ideas and putting it under account management seems a good move to me. However, maybe adding three different things -- files, commands and applications -- to one list, could be confusing. Though one list certainly is a more elegant solution that separate lists. Another suggestion I have is to allow people to choose to start 'default chat client' at login, rather than specifically Empathy. This would be consistent with the approach chosen for the messages indicator and it would prevent requiring people to learn the names of all applications. It would add another type of thing to the three in the list already, though. ... As far as I know, there isn't actually such a thing as the default chat client (not to be confused with the chat client shipped on the CD). The messaging menu just pretends there is. And as long as it's practical to uninstall Empathy and install some other IM client, I think it's counterproductive to hide Empathy's identity. And as you say, it would be adding another kind of thing to the list. Thibaut Brandscheid wrote on 25/10/11 18:09: ... I tried to combine all three topics into one interface → Mock-up http://image-upload.de/image/tk0GyW/dad7cb0f55.png ...
Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: Evan Huus wrote on 20/10/11 17:50: ... One thing that I would like it to support is mounting partitions. I have my music on a separate internal NTFS partition so that it can be accessed by Windows. At the moment, the first thing I have to do when I log in is browse to that folder in Nautilus so that it gets mounted (by gvfs?). The only way currently to have a partition auto-mount on login is via /etc/fstab, which affects all users and requires root access. An Add Partition... option below the Add Shell Command... option would be absolutely fantastic. (Obviously the label and location are subject to change). ... I don't quite understand the problem here. Why do you need to mount the partition when you log in? My particular case is rather complex, but I think I can pull a simpler use case out of my personal mess. Here goes... --- Imagine a user who has Windows installed on NTFS, then installs Ubuntu beside it. The user decides that since Windows can't read EXT4, but Ubuntu can read NTFS, most documents and media will stay on the NTFS partition so that they are accessible by both OSes. By default, Ubuntu does not mount other partitions when the system is started, which is the safe thing to do. The partitions are displayed under 'Devices' in the Nautilus (3.0) sidebar. Clicking on one to browse it automatically mounts it via GVFS under /media/LABEL. This is fine for most use cases, since to open a document the user has to browse to it, which triggers the auto-mount. Now imagine the user opens Banshee, browses to a path on the NTFS partition (thus mounting it) and adds that path to their library. This works great, until the user reboots. If the user opens Banshee right away after a reboot, it can't find the media files, as it doesn't know anything about the separate partition (it just knows about a path starting with /media/LABEL). It freaks out and complains about missing every single file in the library. The user freaks out, since they don't know what's going on - did Ubuntu delete all of their media? --- So as it turns out, not so simple. After reflection, the correct (and more difficult) solution is to make individual applications that store libraries (like Banshee, or Calibre, or Rhythmbox, etc.) aware of GVFS such that they will trigger the auto-mount if necessary when they are started. However, a simple work-around would be to allow the user to specify partitions to be mounted on login (without editing fstab, which applies to all users and requires advanced knowledge). That last bit would fit into the proposed interface for auto-open. (Aside: could this problem also apply to MRU lists in other applications as well? If so, perhaps fixing per-application is not the correct solution and GVFS should be enhanced to watch for failed attempts to access /media/LABEL/...) Apologies for the confusion, and for wandering somewhat off-topic. Evan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
I know ideas like this have been discussed before, but what about implementing a stack based system (like Android) that would keep running and recently used apps in RAM, or making more aggressive use of the Linux disk cache? Possibly an option to load an app into the cache upon logging in (or after a delay). That way, the app is ready to start, but doesn't slow down the system by using the CPU. On Oct 24, 2011 10:36 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote: Den 24. okt. 2011 23:49, skrev Evan Huus: Something else just occurred to me that can maybe be put in the 'nice to have' bucket for future consideration: delayed opening. For non-critical applications like Gwibber, it would be nice if they could be set to load 10ish seconds after the rest of the desktop, just to make the core system feel that much snappier. Again, very nice work. Thanks, Evan Absolutely! I've been thinking a lot about this lately. Things like Banshee is something I'm going to use at some point, and it'll usually be on a whim. Thanks to the great Unity, I'm able to open pretty much any song I want in five seconds. Except that I have to wait about two minutes for Banshee to start. This is reducing that experience dramatically. For my use, it would be nice if it could be delayed for two minutes, then started in the background at a high nice, and then, when I ask for it, it's reniced to a normal level. The same goes for Ubuntu Software Center, which is _horrible_ to start. Other people may feel the same way about LibreOffice or other applications that requires lots of time to start. The main idea is to make the desktop load very quickly, then later, make heavy apps appear nearly instantaneously. Lots of stuff to do here. Jo-Erlend Schinstad __**_ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/**ListHelphttps://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
I tend to give every app its own workspace (I generally use a 3x3 or 4x4 matrix). The top row for example may only be one genre of apps. It would interesting to see if these startup apps could launch, and stick themselves into a predefined workspace, saving me the manual positioning. On 10/20/2011 11:34 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks For some people, it is useful to open particular applications or documents every time they log in. (For example, every day when I log in at work, I launch XChat, Firefox, and a time sheet text document.) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks For some people, it is useful to open particular applications or documents every time they log in. (For example, every day when I log in at work, I launch XChat, Firefox, and a time sheet text document.) Every version of Ubuntu has had a Startup Applications settings window for choosing applications to open automatically at login. Gnome 3 in Ubuntu 11.10 now has an integrated System Settings window (gnome-control-center). But it does not yet integrate these particular settings. So, yesterday I finished a design for these settings in the System Settings window. My design extends the existing User Accounts panel; this avoids adding an extra panel, lets administrators troubleshoot login items for other accounts, and lets them set items for the guest account. It also allows opening files, not just applications. I'd appreciate your feedback on the design. https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/LoginItems Something else just occurred to me that can maybe be put in the 'nice to have' bucket for future consideration: delayed opening. For non-critical applications like Gwibber, it would be nice if they could be set to load 10ish seconds after the rest of the desktop, just to make the core system feel that much snappier. Again, very nice work. Thanks, Evan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
Den 24. okt. 2011 23:49, skrev Evan Huus: Something else just occurred to me that can maybe be put in the 'nice to have' bucket for future consideration: delayed opening. For non-critical applications like Gwibber, it would be nice if they could be set to load 10ish seconds after the rest of the desktop, just to make the core system feel that much snappier. Again, very nice work. Thanks, Evan Absolutely! I've been thinking a lot about this lately. Things like Banshee is something I'm going to use at some point, and it'll usually be on a whim. Thanks to the great Unity, I'm able to open pretty much any song I want in five seconds. Except that I have to wait about two minutes for Banshee to start. This is reducing that experience dramatically. For my use, it would be nice if it could be delayed for two minutes, then started in the background at a high nice, and then, when I ask for it, it's reniced to a normal level. The same goes for Ubuntu Software Center, which is _horrible_ to start. Other people may feel the same way about LibreOffice or other applications that requires lots of time to start. The main idea is to make the desktop load very quickly, then later, make heavy apps appear nearly instantaneously. Lots of stuff to do here. Jo-Erlend Schinstad ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
On 20 October 2011 17:34, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks For some people, it is useful to open particular applications or documents every time they log in. (For example, every day when I log in at work, I launch XChat, Firefox, and a time sheet text document.) Every version of Ubuntu has had a Startup Applications settings window for choosing applications to open automatically at login. Gnome 3 in Ubuntu 11.10 now has an integrated System Settings window (gnome-control-center). But it does not yet integrate these particular settings. So, yesterday I finished a design for these settings in the System Settings window. My design extends the existing User Accounts panel; this avoids adding an extra panel, lets administrators troubleshoot login items for other accounts, and lets them set items for the guest account. It also allows opening files, not just applications. I'd appreciate your feedback on the design. https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/LoginItems Cheers - -- mpt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6gP2sACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecoWiACgvXz7AU7WCnKLQQe3JLdAMMiv e+QAn0ziqngFlwI4G8Et3EDDnEGHBInU =f3De -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp Hello, I like your ideas and putting it under account management seems a good move to me. However, maybe adding three different things -- files, commands and applications -- to one list, could be confusing. Though one list certainly is a more elegant solution that separate lists. Another suggestion I have is to allow people to choose to start 'default chat client' at login, rather than specifically Empathy. This would be consistent with the approach chosen for the messages indicator and it would prevent requiring people to learn the names of all applications. It would add another type of thing to the three in the list already, though. The design looks nice! It would sure be an improvement if this were added to the Control Centre. Regards, -- Sense Egbert Hofstede http://www.sensehofstede.nl/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
Yes, being able to save the current session would great, specially if it not only remember which applications are open, but also their location (which virtual desktop, position, if they are maximized, etc.) Gnome used to have that, but it was removed many iterations ago. Paulo Em Qui, 2011-10-20 às 18:37 +, Omar B. escreveu: I like where things are going here, but wouldn't it be better to have a remember session(s) option (currently xfce, kde, etc. have it), also kde has Activities which is really great feature, is like having multiple user sessions with its own preferences, but very easy to manage, add , delete, stop ,etc. From: eapa...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:50:57 -0400 To: m...@canonical.com CC: Ayatana@lists.launchpad.net; seb...@ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks For some people, it is useful to open particular applications or documents every time they log in. (For example, every day when I log in at work, I launch XChat, Firefox, and a time sheet text document.) Every version of Ubuntu has had a Startup Applications settings window for choosing applications to open automatically at login. Gnome 3 in Ubuntu 11.10 now has an integrated System Settings window (gnome-control-center). But it does not yet integrate these particular settings. So, yesterday I finished a design for these settings in the System Settings window. My design extends the existing User Accounts panel; this avoids adding an extra panel, lets administrators troubleshoot login items for other accounts, and lets them set items for the guest account. It also allows opening files, not just applications. I'd appreciate your feedback on the design. https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/LoginItems Very nice, I quite like it! One thing that I would like it to support is mounting partitions. I have my music on a separate internal NTFS partition so that it can be accessed by Windows. At the moment, the first thing I have to do when I log in is browse to that folder in Nautilus so that it gets mounted (by gvfs?). The only way currently to have a partition auto-mount on login is via /etc/fstab, which affects all users and requires root access. An Add Partition... option below the Add Shell Command... option would be absolutely fantastic. (Obviously the label and location are subject to change). Just my two cents, Evan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks For some people, it is useful to open particular applications or documents every time they log in. (For example, every day when I log in at work, I launch XChat, Firefox, and a time sheet text document.) Every version of Ubuntu has had a Startup Applications settings window for choosing applications to open automatically at login. Gnome 3 in Ubuntu 11.10 now has an integrated System Settings window (gnome-control-center). But it does not yet integrate these particular settings. So, yesterday I finished a design for these settings in the System Settings window. My design extends the existing User Accounts panel; this avoids adding an extra panel, lets administrators troubleshoot login items for other accounts, and lets them set items for the guest account. It also allows opening files, not just applications. I'd appreciate your feedback on the design. https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/LoginItems Cheers - -- mpt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6gP2sACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecoWiACgvXz7AU7WCnKLQQe3JLdAMMiv e+QAn0ziqngFlwI4G8Et3EDDnEGHBInU =f3De -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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It would be nice if this panel could have option to start the application minimized - for example Empathy, Skype or Pidgin. And a feature, which I think some users will find useful - startup applications added by system administrator (that cannot be deleted by ordinary user) - for example some scripts that will log something, or download something to the desktop. W dniu 2011-10-20 17:34, Matthew Paul Thomas pisze: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks For some people, it is useful to open particular applications or documents every time they log in. (For example, every day when I log in at work, I launch XChat, Firefox, and a time sheet text document.) Every version of Ubuntu has had a Startup Applications settings window for choosing applications to open automatically at login. Gnome 3 in Ubuntu 11.10 now has an integrated System Settings window (gnome-control-center). But it does not yet integrate these particular settings. So, yesterday I finished a design for these settings in the System Settings window. My design extends the existing User Accounts panel; this avoids adding an extra panel, lets administrators troubleshoot login items for other accounts, and lets them set items for the guest account. It also allows opening files, not just applications. I'd appreciate your feedback on the design. https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/LoginItems Cheers - -- mpt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6gP2sACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecoWiACgvXz7AU7WCnKLQQe3JLdAMMiv e+QAn0ziqngFlwI4G8Et3EDDnEGHBInU =f3De -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- tommy ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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On 20 October 2011 11:34, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: I'd appreciate your feedback on the design. https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/LoginItems I like porting Nautilus's Open with Other Application chooser to the Login Items screen. The current Add button in Startup Applications is rather un-user-friendly, especially if one clicks the Browse button. GNOME has really overloaded the Shell term. I'd suggest renaming Add Shell Command to something like Add Custom Command. In your mockup of the Add Shell Command dialog, you show a file folder; I think that's a bad idea as the file-browser isn't really a good way to look for shell commands. If it's not too difficult to add, bash auto-completion would be cool though. Some examples of custom shell commands are chromium-browser --incognito or transmission-gtk -m (to start Transmission minimized). A drop-down box for the + button is new to GNOME, isn't it? As a side point, I think if Name Photo Security are 2 separate subpanels, then those subpanels would be mostly empty. Jeremy ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks For some people, it is useful to open particular applications or documents every time they log in. (For example, every day when I log in at work, I launch XChat, Firefox, and a time sheet text document.) Every version of Ubuntu has had a Startup Applications settings window for choosing applications to open automatically at login. Gnome 3 in Ubuntu 11.10 now has an integrated System Settings window (gnome-control-center). But it does not yet integrate these particular settings. So, yesterday I finished a design for these settings in the System Settings window. My design extends the existing User Accounts panel; this avoids adding an extra panel, lets administrators troubleshoot login items for other accounts, and lets them set items for the guest account. It also allows opening files, not just applications. I'd appreciate your feedback on the design. https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/LoginItems Very nice, I quite like it! One thing that I would like it to support is mounting partitions. I have my music on a separate internal NTFS partition so that it can be accessed by Windows. At the moment, the first thing I have to do when I log in is browse to that folder in Nautilus so that it gets mounted (by gvfs?). The only way currently to have a partition auto-mount on login is via /etc/fstab, which affects all users and requires root access. An Add Partition... option below the Add Shell Command... option would be absolutely fantastic. (Obviously the label and location are subject to change). Just my two cents, Evan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login
I like where things are going here, but wouldn't it be better to have a remember session(s) option (currently xfce, kde, etc. have it), also kde has Activities which is really great feature, is like having multiple user sessions with its own preferences, but very easy to manage, add , delete, stop ,etc. From: eapa...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:50:57 -0400 To: m...@canonical.com CC: Ayatana@lists.launchpad.net; seb...@ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [Ayatana] New design: Opening applications and documents automatically at login On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks For some people, it is useful to open particular applications or documents every time they log in. (For example, every day when I log in at work, I launch XChat, Firefox, and a time sheet text document.) Every version of Ubuntu has had a Startup Applications settings window for choosing applications to open automatically at login. Gnome 3 in Ubuntu 11.10 now has an integrated System Settings window (gnome-control-center). But it does not yet integrate these particular settings. So, yesterday I finished a design for these settings in the System Settings window. My design extends the existing User Accounts panel; this avoids adding an extra panel, lets administrators troubleshoot login items for other accounts, and lets them set items for the guest account. It also allows opening files, not just applications. I'd appreciate your feedback on the design. https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/LoginItems Very nice, I quite like it! One thing that I would like it to support is mounting partitions. I have my music on a separate internal NTFS partition so that it can be accessed by Windows. At the moment, the first thing I have to do when I log in is browse to that folder in Nautilus so that it gets mounted (by gvfs?). The only way currently to have a partition auto-mount on login is via /etc/fstab, which affects all users and requires root access. An Add Partition... option below the Add Shell Command... option would be absolutely fantastic. (Obviously the label and location are subject to change). Just my two cents, Evan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
