Re: [Ayatana] Oneiric Dark Toolbars waste vertical space - what was the point of Unity?

2011-08-01 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
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nick rundy wrote on 22/07/11 18:08:

 The newly implemented Dark Toolbars to Oneiric have left me wondering
 if the Developers have forgotten one of the driving principles for
 Unity--to reclaim vertical space?
 
 Look at the following comparison between Natty as it is today and
 Oneiric with Dark Toolbars. In Oneiric, not only has writing been
 placed underneath the icons (taking vertical space) but there is now a
 huge/thick vertical-space-wasting Dark Toolbar with only one item on
 it: the search box. COME ON!
...

First, that is bad design from the Gnome designers, not the Ubuntu
designers. If I was designing that window, I would -- and did -- put
Back, Forward, and Home buttons in the toolbar, not just a search field.
https://live.gnome.org/SystemSettings?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=sketches-p1.jpg

Second, it's nothing whatsoever to do with the toolbar being dark.
System Settings has exactly the same problem in themes where the toolbar
is light.

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Re: [Ayatana] Oneiric Dark Toolbars waste vertical space - what was the point of Unity?

2011-07-22 Thread nick rundy

The newly implemented Dark Toolbars to Oneiric have left me wondering if the 
Developers have forgotten one of the driving principles for Unity--to reclaim 
vertical space?
Look at the following comparison between Natty as it is today and Oneiric with 
Dark Toolbars. In Oneiric, not only has writing been placed underneath the 
icons (taking vertical space) but there is now a huge/thick 
vertical-space-wasting Dark Toolbar with only one item on it: the search box. 
COME ON! I thought the whole point of Unity was to allow more space for the 
items in the window. Does everything that uses Gnome 3.0 have to present 
enormous amounts of chrome with no purpose other than to waste vertical space? 
One of the things I love about Natty is how much vertical space has been 
reclaimed. Now it's looking like all that is going to be gone in 
Oneiric.http://imgur.com/a/w9pBQ

From: nru...@hotmail.com
To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:06:08 -0400
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Oneiric Dark Toolbars are a BAD idea - here's why








Dark Toolbars are a BAD idea. The Top-Panel should remain a significantly 
darker color than application toolbars. 
Gnome-shell has the right idea where they made the top-panel black, 
communicating that the top-panel is NOT part of a running application. Google 
has started putting a black top-panel across its webpages, communicating that 
the top-panel is NOT part of the search results or web page's content. These 
dark top-panels provide an always-present, constant frame of reference that 
grounds the user and differentiates it from the project's focus (i.e., a web 
search, a web page's content, or a running application). This grounded focus is 
lost when Dark Toolbars are merged to the top-panel. 
The Top-Panel is NOT part of a running application. Yet this is exactly what is 
communicated to the user when application toolbars are essentially merged to 
the Top-Panel. Keeping the top-panel separate from application toolbars is even 
more important now because of Unity's new space-saving design. To move an 
entire window for example, a user can click on the Titlebar. Yet dark toolbars 
would be the same color as the titlebar. To restore a maximized window, the 
user can double-click free space on the top-panel. Yet dark toolbars would 
present loads of free space the same color as the Top-Panel. There are all 
kinds of problems with choosing Dark Toolbars. 
Aesthetically it is also a failure. It shrouds regularly used tools/buttons in 
darkness. The buttons and tools should be clearly visible and accessible by the 
user. Not hidden in a darkened state. 
A better approach would be a gradation of darkening as one moves toward the 
top-panel. For example, the top-panel would be a dark color (like Ambiance). 
The Toolbar would be a middle color (like the present cream or maybe a gray), 
in this way bridging the gap, adding a gradation, from the lighted/white 
background where the work is done to the darker panel. The work area is lighted 
because that's where the user's focus is. The toolbar area is darker than the 
work area because it is an area of peripheral focus for the user as he/she 
works. Tools/buttons are referenced and consulted during the work process. The 
OS's top-panel is dark because this is an Always-Present constant that doesn't 
change, and it is not actively engaged when a user is working on a project, 
hence it is black/dark in color. The Toolbars do NOT share this state. The 
Toolbars should not be identified with the Top-Panel. 
An Operating System's Top-Panel is NOT the same as an Application's Toolbar 
controls. They should not be treated the same visually. Yes, an application's 
Global Menu and window controls appear in the top-panel when maximized. But 
these are items that are established and utilized primarily when beginning or 
ending a work project. A Toolbar on the other hand is actively engaged during 
work. For example, when writing a paper, a user will look up to identify the 
selected font name or font size, whether a specific formatting option is 
engaged, and so forth. Looking at the Global Menu does not provide visual 
feedback like this--hence it makes sense to put it in the Top-Panel and have it 
be darkened in color like the Top-Panel. It is readily accessible by mouse and 
keyboard shortcut to serve its purpose. But visually, it has no purpose; hence, 
one of the driving forces to move it the top panel and get it out of the way 
and prevent it from taking up space. It does not make sense from a usability 
standpoint to treat an application's toolbar (which shows the font name, font 
size, etc) in a darkened state. There is already a LOT of dark in ubuntu. 
Adding more by making the toolbars dark is a mark against efficient usability 
and more of an esoteric aesthetic preference that has nothing to do with 
usability and functional design. 

From: jorge.ortega...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:07:25 +0100
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