[Ayatana] Oneiric customization
Hi, I would like to know what customization options will Oneiric have for the average users by default, as - gnome-appearance-properties does not seem to be present in gnome 3 and gnome control center, so switching themes and wallpapers seems impossible (although we have a wallpaper contest for Oneiric, but what for if the average users will have the default background unless the copy some files or edit some config files manually - or he/she maybe could use the Image Viewer's set as wallpaper function, if that won't be affected by the gnome3 transition) - changing the screensaver is not possible neither, as a screensaver configuration tool is not present (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/808512) and a blueprint is available targeted for alpha 3, but the progress is unclear there ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-screensaver) I'm not talking here about Unity-only customization options, but the ones affecting the general look of the system (selecting one of the two official Ubuntu themes, ambiance or radiance, selecting another font/font size, maybe icon theme). I know that there is the ubuntu power users initiative for personalizing ubuntu, but we/they don't have a fully functional app for personalizing ubuntu AFAIK, which is included in the official repositories. I also know about gnome-tweak-tool, but that seems to be focusing on gnome-shell, AFAIK. Regards, Robert ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Oneiric customization
On 15 July 2011 04:01, Roth Robert evf...@gmail.com wrote: gnome-appearance-properties does not seem to be present in gnome 3 and gnome control center, so switching themes and wallpapers seems impossible (although we have a wallpaper contest for Oneiric, but what for if the average users will have the default background unless the copy some files or edit some config files manually - or he/she maybe could use the Image Viewer's set as wallpaper function, if that won't be affected by the gnome3 transition) Hi, just one correction. Changing the wallpaper is not hard in Gnome 3. Just open System Settings and Background should be the first option. (Off topic, I really like how the built-in search is smart enough to know synonyms: typing in wallpaper still gives you the Background control panel applet.) Jeremy Bicha ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Oneiric customization
Thanks Jeremy for the correction, you're right, I have forgot about that one. This restricts the problems to switching themes, fonts, font sizes and screen savers. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 15 July 2011 04:01, Roth Robert evf...@gmail.com wrote: gnome-appearance-properties does not seem to be present in gnome 3 and gnome control center, so switching themes and wallpapers seems impossible (although we have a wallpaper contest for Oneiric, but what for if the average users will have the default background unless the copy some files or edit some config files manually - or he/she maybe could use the Image Viewer's set as wallpaper function, if that won't be affected by the gnome3 transition) Hi, just one correction. Changing the wallpaper is not hard in Gnome 3. Just open System Settings and Background should be the first option. (Off topic, I really like how the built-in search is smart enough to know synonyms: typing in wallpaper still gives you the Background control panel applet.) Jeremy Bicha ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Oneiric customization
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, Roth Robert wrote: Hello Robert, You've clearly done your research! Some of the links you dug up I hadn't even seen, so you might be in a better position to answer this than I, but I also don't want you to think that you're in an empty room and not getting a reply just because you've done the research! Two weeks ago in Dublin a bunch of the people working on Gtk3, GNOME, LightDM certainly were having some discussions that covered these two specific topics (wallpapers and screensavers). Those directly involved may be able to provide some better input, for /my/ memory of those discussions… what customization options will Oneiric have average users will have the default background …my understanding is that yes, the user will be able to change the wallpaper. It would be boring otherwise! I believe that the primary method will be via the Control Centre (sorry, I haven't upgraded to Oneiric on this laptop yet to check easily), but I had a feeling that it was the first option offered in the GNOME3 Settings/Control Centre. There are likely to be other contextual methods too, such as the Image Viewer option you mention. Indeed, some of the recent user-testing written up by mpt and Charline has highlighted that tested route via Settings/Control Centre is not easily found (people had to be explicitly asked to /not/ right-click on the Desktop to change the wallpaper!), see: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/032988.html Changing the wallpaper (which is ever-present from boot-up to shutdown) is an important customisation and personalisation opportunity so is likely to be retained for the forseable future. - changing the screensaver is not possible The major driver here has been people demanding more battery life. Sadly screensavers weren't designed to save power, but instead to save phosphor from burning in CRTs. I believe at the moment that the screensaver runs for just a few minutes before vanishing and allowing the screen to turn off anyway. How this pans out, we'll have to see. But it's fairly likely that even with a switch to LightDM for the login manager in Ubuntu 11.10, that Ubuntu will follow the upstream GNOME3 choice and not enable screensavers by default. Of course, there are many choices: Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu... in order to ship a stable LightDM/Unity/Ubuntu within the power curves expected, and within the fixed timeline the priorisations will probably be elsewhere. That's not to say that you couldn't work on it, or write a howto and propose both/either; just that for the main designers/developers working on something extra that is also known to introduce power- envelope regressions is unlikely to be a main priority (time is more valuably spent on other parts of the stack that /need/ to be done or stablised during the Ubuntu 11.10 release cycle). affecting the general look of the system (selecting one of the two official Ubuntu themes, ambiance or radiance, selecting another font/font size, maybe icon theme). I think these should all be fine and accessible in the GNOME3 Control Centre. we ... don't have a fully functional app for personalizing ubuntu I wouldn't worry. Similiar to the 'gnome-tweak-tool' that you mentioned, an Unity tweak tool popped in within about 24 hours! http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/ubuntu-unity-2d-tweaking-tool-lets-you-adjust-the-launcher-dash-enable-compositing/ http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/unity-personalization-how-much-can-you-really-do/ Perhaps you'll even be one of the author(s) of it! :-) -Paul ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Oneiric customization
Although gnome tweak tool does provide some options for customizing themes and fonts (I'm not too sure about the latter), it is not installed by default. This is a problem, especially since ubuntu ships with 2 default themes, but without a way to switch them. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
