Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Stefanos A. stapos...@gmail.com wrote: Two other potential solutions: 1. A visual proximity indicator to the hidden launcher, for instance as a very soft glow that becomes more visible as the mouse moves towards the left side (similar to KDE 4.x when its taskbar is set to autohide). - or - 2. Make the left-most column a clickable region and show the launcher only on mouse click or on high-momentum mouse movements. This way, the launcher will only appear after a deliberate action (click or high-momentum hit) and will not get in the way when working in the left region of the screen. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp +1 for point 2. clickable edge will be like the hide buttons on the sides of the gnome panel.(Did anyone other than me use them?) Regarding the high momentum movements, how about the launcher coming out not on mouse reaching left corner, but say 200px beyond (outside) the left edge? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
Isn't it possible to adjust the launcher like this? attachment: launcher.jpg___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 4:04 AM, staticd staticd.growthecomm...@gmail.comwrote: clickable edge will be like the hide buttons on the sides of the gnome panel.(Did anyone other than me use them?) Regarding the high momentum movements, how about the launcher coming out not on mouse reaching left corner, but say 200px beyond (outside) the left edge? I like the sound of the clickable edge though it might still interfere with some applications. Also this would increase the number of interactions needed to do most tasks. I think launcher popping out only when the cursor goes beyond the outside edge might be the best solution here. It would not require a setting, there would be no divergence in different user's workflow and it should cut down on the vast majority of accidental launcher activations due to high cursor momentum or working close to the edge. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
Den 03. nov. 2011 03:25, skrev anthropornis: Canonical has guaranteed Unity to be 100% issue-free. What you have perceived as an issue is actually explained here: file:///usr/share/doc/unity/copyright How awesome is that? Commanding other people to spend their money on a feature only you want, is rude. Get over it. I simply pointed out that Canonical has not, as you untruthfully claimed, denied you the right to configure things the way you want it. I, however, were pointing out a bug so that we can contribute to fixing it. I were not commanding anyone to create a feature I want. I pointed out that the software does not function as intended by the authors. Do you understand the difference? Obviously, running applications are not intended to become invisible and unusable. Jo-Erlend Schinstad ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
That would only work for Firefox, not all programs that have buttons on the left hand side. Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:10:36 +0100 From: sony...@live.de To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues Isn't it possible to adjust the launcher like this? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
I never commanded anyone to do anything. However, both of us did post useless, unhelpful responses, which just pollute a mailing list. On 11/04/2011 08:52 AM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: Den 03. nov. 2011 03:25, skrev anthropornis: Canonical has guaranteed Unity to be 100% issue-free. What you have perceived as an issue is actually explained here: file:///usr/share/doc/unity/copyright How awesome is that? Commanding other people to spend their money on a feature only you want, is rude. Get over it. I simply pointed out that Canonical has not, as you untruthfully claimed, denied you the right to configure things the way you want it. I, however, were pointing out a bug so that we can contribute to fixing it. I were not commanding anyone to create a feature I want. I pointed out that the software does not function as intended by the authors. Do you understand the difference? Obviously, running applications are not intended to become invisible and unusable. Jo-Erlend Schinstad ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
2011/11/4 Mark Curtis merkin...@hotmail.com That would only work for Firefox, not all programs that have buttons on the left hand side. Do you have a specific application in mind? I can't recall any application with buttons that touch the left side of the screen (please note that if the buttons don't touch the side, there's no change in behavior!) Moreover, there's no other component that touches the left side of the screen (treeviews don't touch the sides, left-side scrollbars don't exist). ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
On 11/04/2011 01:10 PM, Sony-qs wrote: Isn't it possible to adjust the launcher like this? [Had mockup attached with Launcher starting below Firefox's bars] So far, I only have one case where I regularly get the Launcher while aiming at something else: using Inkscape's toolbar. I often use the shortcuts for tool switching, but now I'm painfully reminded of each time I don't. I would expect users who make less use of shortcuts to be hit harder. For any application with an important toolbar or similar on the left, offsetting the Launcher is not possible, as there is not not enough space left. Triggering only when you slam the pointer to the edge does not help, as the user does that anyway, to get to the target area as fast as possible. Triggering only if the pointer reaches negative coordinates is not an option, as that either is too hard to trigger, or will happen as soon as you slam the pointer towards the edge. As long as the Launcher stays on the left and does not stay fixed on the screen *, application should avoid putting important stuff in proximity. But complex application may have so many tools and options that it may be painful, layout-wise, to avoid an entire edge. * To be clear, I do not recommend to get rid of the Launcher hiding behavior, as screen space is too precious for that on anything but very large displays (perhaps). -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
What about requiring a hit and park to display the launcher? In order to show the launcher, the user must place the point er on the edge of the screen and stop it there. Then, after a brief delay (100-150ms), the launcher would reveal. On Nov 4, 2011 9:29 AM, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: On 11/04/2011 01:10 PM, Sony-qs wrote: Isn't it possible to adjust the launcher like this? [Had mockup attached with Launcher starting below Firefox's bars] So far, I only have one case where I regularly get the Launcher while aiming at something else: using Inkscape's toolbar. I often use the shortcuts for tool switching, but now I'm painfully reminded of each time I don't. I would expect users who make less use of shortcuts to be hit harder. For any application with an important toolbar or similar on the left, offsetting the Launcher is not possible, as there is not not enough space left. Triggering only when you slam the pointer to the edge does not help, as the user does that anyway, to get to the target area as fast as possible. Triggering only if the pointer reaches negative coordinates is not an option, as that either is too hard to trigger, or will happen as soon as you slam the pointer towards the edge. As long as the Launcher stays on the left and does not stay fixed on the screen *, application should avoid putting important stuff in proximity. But complex application may have so many tools and options that it may be painful, layout-wise, to avoid an entire edge. * To be clear, I do not recommend to get rid of the Launcher hiding behavior, as screen space is too precious for that on anything but very large displays (perhaps). -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ __**_ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/**ListHelphttps://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
What about moving everything on the screen to the right when the launcher appears. And move it back when the launcher goes away? On 11/04/2011 06:55 PM, Ian Santopietro wrote: What about requiring a hit and park to display the launcher? In order to show the launcher, the user must place the point er on the edge of the screen and stop it there. Then, after a brief delay (100-150ms), the launcher would reveal. On Nov 4, 2011 9:29 AM, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de mailto:t...@freenet.de wrote: On 11/04/2011 01:10 PM, Sony-qs wrote: Isn't it possible to adjust the launcher like this? [Had mockup attached with Launcher starting below Firefox's bars] So far, I only have one case where I regularly get the Launcher while aiming at something else: using Inkscape's toolbar. I often use the shortcuts for tool switching, but now I'm painfully reminded of each time I don't. I would expect users who make less use of shortcuts to be hit harder. For any application with an important toolbar or similar on the left, offsetting the Launcher is not possible, as there is not not enough space left. Triggering only when you slam the pointer to the edge does not help, as the user does that anyway, to get to the target area as fast as possible. Triggering only if the pointer reaches negative coordinates is not an option, as that either is too hard to trigger, or will happen as soon as you slam the pointer towards the edge. As long as the Launcher stays on the left and does not stay fixed on the screen *, application should avoid putting important stuff in proximity. But complex application may have so many tools and options that it may be painful, layout-wise, to avoid an entire edge. * To be clear, I do not recommend to get rid of the Launcher hiding behavior, as screen space is too precious for that on anything but very large displays (perhaps). -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana https://launchpad.net/%7Eayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net mailto:ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana https://launchpad.net/%7Eayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
Another potential would be to prevent windows from occupying the left-most 5px-10px of the screen. The Firefox back button is a stickler for this launcher behaviour, but try resizing it so that it is almost maximised, except leave a small space on the left hand side. This really helps to prevent the launcher popping out when not wanted IMO. Matt On 03/11/11 05:49, James Jenner wrote: On 3 November 2011 14:06, Elias K Gardner zork...@gmail.com mailto:zork...@gmail.com wrote: When you have to interact close to the left edge of a window the launcher can be accidentally activated blocking interaction on that part of the open window. The launcher can be made not to popout when the cursor hits the screen side by installing CompizConfig Settings Manager and changing the Unity plugin's reveal mode on the behavior tab to none. I think this is one setting that should be somewhere in the system settings out of the box. It is maddening to have to move your cursor out to close the launcher then carefully back. Another alternative would be to have a button that when pressed keeps/closes the launcher (just thinking out loud her not sure its a good idea, seams to duplicate the super key dash functionality a little). An alternative would be to have a visual interactive control on the launcher that changes it's state of popout and to not popout. A pin is the obvious analogy though in reality some form of marker (eg. a small circle or an arrow or similar) would do the trick, as in to be consistent with the styling of Unity. Obviously a keyboard shortcut would apply as well. With such an option when the launcher is hidden, the control to stop it from popping out would need to be visible, so some thought would be needed as to where this control sits, how it appears and how a user interacts with it (both via keyboard and the mouse). I personally think such an option (to stop it popping out automatically) isn't such a bad idea.Maybe instead of a don't popout control, it could be a hide launcher control. Just some thoughts. For me personally it hasn't been a problem and I have no need for such functionality, but then I have a very large screen and very rarely work full screen within an application. However I can see how this could be required for certain types of environments and work patterns. Cheers, James. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
On 11/03/2011 01:50 AM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: We have really serious issues with Unity. For instance, look at the attached screenshot. Can you please include a descriptive subject line and an actual explanation of the perceived problem in your email another time? Consider that you are writing an email to 755 people and they might not not all be able to be read your mind :-) Cheers, Mikkel ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
Two other potential solutions: 1. A visual proximity indicator to the hidden launcher, for instance as a very soft glow that becomes more visible as the mouse moves towards the left side (similar to KDE 4.x when its taskbar is set to autohide). - or - 2. Make the left-most column a clickable region and show the launcher only on mouse click or on high-momentum mouse movements. This way, the launcher will only appear after a deliberate action (click or high-momentum hit) and will not get in the way when working in the left region of the screen. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote: We have really serious issues with Unity. For instance, look at the attached screenshot. Not trying to be snide, but I looked at the screenshot and I'm not sure what the issue is. Could you please explain? -- Andrew Starr-Bochicchio Ubuntu Developer https://launchpad.net/~andrewsomething Debian Maintainer http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=a.starr.b%40gmail.com PGP/GPG Key ID: D53FDCB1 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
Canonical has guaranteed Unity to be 100% issue-free. What you have perceived as an issue is actually explained here: file:///usr/share/doc/unity/copyright How awesome is that? On 11/02/2011 08:50 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: We have really serious issues with Unity. For instance, look at the attached screenshot. Jo-Erlend Schinstad ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
When you have to interact close to the left edge of a window the launcher can be accidentally activated blocking interaction on that part of the open window. The launcher can be made not to popout when the cursor hits the screen side by installing CompizConfig Settings Manager and changing the Unity plugin's reveal mode on the behavior tab to none. I think this is one setting that should be somewhere in the system settings out of the box. It is maddening to have to move your cursor out to close the launcher then carefully back. Another alternative would be to have a button that when pressed keeps/closes the launcher (just thinking out loud her not sure its a good idea, seams to duplicate the super key dash functionality a little). On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio a.star...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote: We have really serious issues with Unity. For instance, look at the attached screenshot. Not trying to be snide, but I looked at the screenshot and I'm not sure what the issue is. Could you please explain? -- Andrew Starr-Bochicchio Ubuntu Developer https://launchpad.net/~andrewsomething Debian Maintainer http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=a.starr.b%40gmail.com PGP/GPG Key ID: D53FDCB1 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Serious issues
On 3 November 2011 14:06, Elias K Gardner zork...@gmail.com wrote: When you have to interact close to the left edge of a window the launcher can be accidentally activated blocking interaction on that part of the open window. The launcher can be made not to popout when the cursor hits the screen side by installing CompizConfig Settings Manager and changing the Unity plugin's reveal mode on the behavior tab to none. I think this is one setting that should be somewhere in the system settings out of the box. It is maddening to have to move your cursor out to close the launcher then carefully back. Another alternative would be to have a button that when pressed keeps/closes the launcher (just thinking out loud her not sure its a good idea, seams to duplicate the super key dash functionality a little). An alternative would be to have a visual interactive control on the launcher that changes it's state of popout and to not popout. A pin is the obvious analogy though in reality some form of marker (eg. a small circle or an arrow or similar) would do the trick, as in to be consistent with the styling of Unity. Obviously a keyboard shortcut would apply as well. With such an option when the launcher is hidden, the control to stop it from popping out would need to be visible, so some thought would be needed as to where this control sits, how it appears and how a user interacts with it (both via keyboard and the mouse). I personally think such an option (to stop it popping out automatically) isn't such a bad idea.Maybe instead of a don't popout control, it could be a hide launcher control. Just some thoughts. For me personally it hasn't been a problem and I have no need for such functionality, but then I have a very large screen and very rarely work full screen within an application. However I can see how this could be required for certain types of environments and work patterns. Cheers, James. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
