Re: [Ayatana] Shut Down in Dash and with Key-Combination
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 21:24, Ian Santopietro isan...@gmail.com wrote: Why do we need to optimize the ability to shutdown anyway? As a rule, you'll only do it once per session, and it's not like it's hard to access as it is now. There are many things that are not done often, and the goal is that at the end of the day you won't do anything more than once, because the computer already understands the context of what you are attempting to initiate, and complements your gestures with the desired context intelligently. positioning a rarely used element correctly for once is a key solution, which will lead the way for the positioning of other such rarely used elements. and Shutdown, as rarely as it will be used, should be accessible. I would feel very uncomfortable, if i didn't know where to find that Power button immediately. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Shut Down in Dash and with Key-Combination
Den 16. nov. 2011 11:13, skrev frederik.nn...@gmail.com: positioning a rarely used element correctly for once is a key solution, which will lead the way for the positioning of other such rarely used elements. and Shutdown, as rarely as it will be used, should be accessible. I would feel very uncomfortable, if i didn't know where to find that Power button immediately. Which is why it is always visible at the appropriate place; the corner of the screen. Why would it be better to do move it out of sight into the dash? Jo-Erlend Schinstad ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Shut Down in Dash and with Key-Combination
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:38, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote: Den 16. nov. 2011 11:13, skrev frederik.nn...@gmail.com: positioning a rarely used element correctly for once is a key solution, which will lead the way for the positioning of other such rarely used elements. and Shutdown, as rarely as it will be used, should be accessible. I would feel very uncomfortable, if i didn't know where to find that Power button immediately. Which is why it is always visible at the appropriate place; the corner of the screen. Why would it be better to do move it out of sight into the dash? exactly. i don't think it would be wise to remove it from the edge of the screen. One could keep it in the top right, make it a large button and give it a more prominent coloring when the dash is open, but that would require a proper visual design of the whole indicator wing at the top right. I'm positive that will happen in the near future, my guts are telling me so.. look at this for example: http://www.gabsoftware.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Capture-121.png what we have now is much better already! now it needs to be stepped up into a proper design, away from the rusty plain old menu stuff that has been around from ever since back in the day.. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Shut Down in Dash and with Key-Combination
On 11/16/2011 02:13 AM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 21:24, Ian Santopietro isan...@gmail.com mailto:isan...@gmail.com wrote: Why do we need to optimize the ability to shutdown anyway? As a rule, you'll only do it once per session, and it's not like it's hard to access as it is now. There are many things that are not done often, and the goal is that at the end of the day you won't do anything more than once, because the computer already understands the context of what you are attempting to initiate, and complements your gestures with the desired context intelligently. This is a wrong understanding of reality. It implies the ability an automaton to see the future. This is not an ability, recognized as characteristic of any known thing in our small corner of space-time. Please don't let your zeal to win an argument, push you from the rational to the emotional. It is already hard enough to have a useful discussion with this many diverse people. positioning a rarely used element correctly for once is a key solution, which will lead the way for the positioning of other such rarely used elements. and Shutdown, as rarely as it will be used, should be accessible. I would feel very uncomfortable, if i didn't know where to find that Power button immediately. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Shut Down in Dash and with Key-Combination
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 18:07, Michael J Daniel michael.j.dan...@comcast.net wrote: ** On 11/16/2011 02:13 AM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 21:24, Ian Santopietro isan...@gmail.com wrote: Why do we need to optimize the ability to shutdown anyway? As a rule, you'll only do it once per session, and it's not like it's hard to access as it is now. There are many things that are not done often, and the goal is that at the end of the day you won't do anything more than once, because the computer already understands the context of what you are attempting to initiate, and complements your gestures with the desired context intelligently. This is a wrong understanding of reality. It implies the ability an automaton to see the future. This is not an ability, recognized as characteristic of any known thing in our small corner of space-time. interesting way of seeing it, yet if you read exactly, you will find the word intelligently. I don't think a toaster needs to see the future to afford heuristics for its 3 most common use cases, and the same goes for any machine. Please don't let your zeal to win an argument, push you from the rational to the emotional. It is already hard enough to have a useful discussion with this many diverse people. positioning a rarely used element correctly for once is a key solution, which will lead the way for the positioning of other such rarely used elements. and Shutdown, as rarely as it will be used, should be accessible. I would feel very uncomfortable, if i didn't know where to find that Power button immediately. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Shut Down in Dash and with Key-Combination
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sony-qs wrote on 23/10/11 00:27: There are two more things in oneiric to change! Before it was possible to open the Shut Down-Dialog with Ctrl+Alt+Del, now there's is Logout! Thats not bad, ... Yes it is. :-) By itself, Ctrl Alt Del is a completely non-obvious key combo. The only reason it does anything at all in Ubuntu is that it does something special in Windows. But what it does in Windows is completely different. So if it does anything in Ubuntu, it should be similar to what it does in Windows. http://launchpad.net/bugs/890747 but there should be also a Key-Combination to open the new Shut Down-Dialog. ... Pressing the power button on your computer opens a dialog that lets you shut down. There's no need for a keyboard shortcut for a separate dialog for the same thing. - -- mpt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7CoLMACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecrAfgCdFnwrS2O08e2anUuWWQEiKAHL psEAnRASTGBCOL+qXisJF6GYss5vp4+P =bsmT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Shut Down in Dash and with Key-Combination
Pressing the power button on your computer opens a dialog that lets you shut down. There's no need for a keyboard shortcut for a separate dialog for the same thing. I agree with you on that, but what if the Tour is a way out of range ? say I have to stand up in order to push the power button... , on a Laptop, not having a shortcut is okay, but with a tour I think we need it. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Shut Down in Dash and with Key-Combination
Why do we need to optimize the ability to shutdown anyway? As a rule, you'll only do it once per session, and it's not like it's hard to access as it is now. Ian Santopietro Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Eala Earendel enlga beorohtast Ofer middangeard monnum sended Pa gur yv y porthaur? Public GPG key (RSA): http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x412F52DB1BBF1234 On Tue 15 Nov 2011 10:44:14 AM MST, Cyrille Ngassam Nkwenga wrote: Pressing the power button on your computer opens a dialog that lets you shut down. There's no need for a keyboard shortcut for a separate dialog for the same thing. I agree with you on that, but what if the Tour is a way out of range ? say I have to stand up in order to push the power button... , on a Laptop, not having a shortcut is okay, but with a tour I think we need it. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Shut Down in Dash and with Key-Combination
2011/10/23 Sony-qs sony...@live.de There are two more things in oneiric to change! Before it was possible to open the Shut Down-Dialog with Ctrl+Alt+Del, now there's is Logout! Thats not bad, but there should be also a Key-Combination to open the new Shut Down-Dialog. for example: *Ctrl+Alt+L* - Lock Screen *Ctrl+Alt+Del* - Logout *Ctrl+Alt+End - Shut Down* To complete it would be nice to have the combinations written behind the keywords. With Lock Screen it's just done! Which Command opens the Shut Down-Dialog? Sry if it isn't the right place here gimme a Link -German-- Ich hätte da noch zwei Anliegen! Und zwar war es bisher so, dass man mit Strg+Alt+Enf zum Ausschalten-Dialog gekommen ist, jetzt kommt nur noch Abmelden! Dagegen habe ich eig nichts einzuwenden, aber es sollte dann auch eine Tastenkombi für den Herunterfahren-Dialog geben. Beispiel: *Strg+Alt+L* - Bildschirm sperren *Strg+Alt+Entf* - Abmelden *Strg+Alt+Ende - Herunterfahren* Und es wäre auch schön, wenn die beiden Kombis hinter den Begriffen stehen würden, wie das schon bei Bildschirm sperren der Fall ist! Welcher Befehl ruft den Herunterfahren-Dialog auf? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp In CCSM bind your key combination to the command gnome-session-quit --power-off ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Shut Down in Dash and with Key-Combination
There are two more things in oneiric to change! Before it was possible to open the Shut Down-Dialog with Ctrl+Alt+Del, now there's is Logout! Thats not bad, but there should be also a Key-Combination to open the new Shut Down-Dialog. for example: *Ctrl+Alt+L* - Lock Screen *Ctrl+Alt+Del* - Logout *Ctrl+Alt+End - Shut Down* To complete it would be nice to have the combinations written behind the keywords. With Lock Screen it's just done! Which Command opens the Shut Down-Dialog? Sry if it isn't the right place here gimme a Link -German-- Ich hätte da noch zwei Anliegen! Und zwar war es bisher so, dass man mit Strg+Alt+Enf zum Ausschalten-Dialog gekommen ist, jetzt kommt nur noch Abmelden! Dagegen habe ich eig nichts einzuwenden, aber es sollte dann auch eine Tastenkombi für den Herunterfahren-Dialog geben. Beispiel: *Strg+Alt+L* - Bildschirm sperren *Strg+Alt+Entf* - Abmelden *Strg+Alt+Ende - Herunterfahren* Und es wäre auch schön, wenn die beiden Kombis hinter den Begriffen stehen würden, wie das schon bei Bildschirm sperren der Fall ist! Welcher Befehl ruft den Herunterfahren-Dialog auf? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
