Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David wrote on 06/12/11 10:05: ... the basic idea is that when you turn the computer on it shows the minimum of indicators thats possible. http://unity.exemo.net/panel_beginning.png you can expand them by clicking on the arrow: http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png ... Why? What problem would it be solving? That's a good question (as always ;-))There has been already a lot of work done in the top right corner and i don't see any real problems with what we currently have. The only thing is that i have currently 8 indicators that are always visible. Other users might have more or less. I just think that it would look better when you have a maximised application and you have less indicators visible. (the minimum possible) I agree that eight is probably too many by default. There are several other ways that problem could be reduced or eliminated, without hiding important status. First, reduce the number of status menus that appear by default. For example, the user menu is not that useful, unless people often switch between multiple user accounts on your computer, so it could be hidden by default. Similarly, user testing suggests that people don't understand why webcams and printers are in the device menu; I'd like to see more user testing of that menu, to see how well people understand it at all. Second, provide greater user control of which menus are shown. We'd like to have a checkbox for each of them in their respective System Settings panel (like there is already for the clock menu in the Time Date settings). I think for the same reason that the window buttons are not visible when not needet. Third, introduce a proper standard Full Screen mode, that has no window frame *or* menu bar, replacing maximized mode altogether. The current scheme of mixing window buttons, window titles, and menu titles in the same area of the screen is inconsistent and tacky, and causes the problem repeatedly shown in user testing where people can't find menus. If the messaging menu was hidden by default, what use would it be? I didn't mean to use the messaging menu like we have it today. More something like a list of the latest notifications that you got Looking something like this: http://ubuntuone.com/3pQaNx9TdpPXEZHMIjPgdP except not the tabs at the bottom For the purpose of my question, it doesn't matter what's inside the menu. The menu exists at least partly to show that there *are* new messages. Maybe that's not worth trying for at all, since it already didn't work for software updates (though at least an envelope is much more obvious than any software updates icon could be). But it couldn't work at all if it was hidden. How do you classify devices under notification indicators? What would this notify you of? (using the word notifications was not really a good idea from me.) We could show for example an entry for every device where it makes sense. Every entry could contain a menu with actions For example - UsbStick - Documents (17) // open gnome-documents - Videos (3) // open gnome videos - see all files // open nautilus - Video DVD - Watch Movie // open totem - Import or Rip Movie // open ... etc This could remove the need to open a window in situations like this: If a new printer is plugged in and recognized automatically while neither a Print dialog nor System Settings (any panel) is open, System Settings should open to the Printers panel, the list of printers should scroll to show the new printer, and it should be selected in the list. (This is analogous to a USB storage device window opening when it is connected.) So do you think that when a USB storage device is connected, its window should not open, just a menu should appear? That would be a very small change. ... People didn't see the updates notification area item even when it was shown by default. What use would it be if it was hidden? :-) The reason why some people don't see it is in my opinion because we have indicators where some people don't care about. Lets say we have a user who uses his computer only to look his mails (in gmail) and to browse the internet. His first time where he uses ubuntu he look around and finds out how to connect to the internet, ... (or a friend shows him) But after that the internet connect automatically etc and he just look at the top-right to look at the clock and maybe adjust the volume when he is in youtube. He simply doesn't care about what else is there. When i look how it works for example in android: At the top left you have the name of your carrier and nothing else When you got 1 or more notifications the carrier will be replaced with 1 or more icons. You now have icons where before where only text. You see that immediatly and choose based on the icons if you want to check the notification now, later or just clear it. If i am right about this people will notice the
Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators
Hi, i didn't explained my idea good enough and you and probably others have understand me wrong.so i try to explain with different words. the basic idea is that when you turn the computer on it shows the minimum of indicators thats possible.http://unity.exemo.net/panel_beginning.png you can expand them by clicking on the arrow:http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png when an event happens 4 different things can happen:a: show only a notificationb: show a notification and show an indicator (if the indicator is already visible add an entry to the menu)c: show a notification and hide an indicatord: remove an entry from an indicator menu (if its the last entry the indicator will be hidden) The nofifications are like now and will fade in and after a few sec. fade out.The indicators will be show at an event and remain visible until later when another event hides it again Examples:Event: Files will be uploaded to ubuntu one What happens - a: -show notification: x files will be uploaded ... Event: You get a new mail What happens: b - show notification: You got a new mail ... - show message indicator - http://unity.exemo.net/new_mail.png Event: You remove the cable from your laptop What happens - b: - show notification: You have x hours left ... - show battery indicator - http://unity.exemo.net/mail_and_battery.png Event: You focus the chat window What happens: d - remove the previously added chat-notification-entry from the message menu Event: You connect the cable to your laptop What happens - c: - show notification: Battery will be full in ... - hide battery indicator - http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png Why? What problem would it be solving? That's a good question (as always ;-))There has been already a lot of work done in the top right corner and i don't seeany real problems with what we currently have.The only thing is that i have currently 8 indicators that are always visible.Other users might have more or less.I just think that it would look better when you have a maximised application and you have less indicators visible. (the minimum possible)I think for the same reason that the window buttons are not visible when not needet. If the messaging menu was hidden by default, what use would it be? I didn't mean to use the messaging menu like we have it today.More something like a list of the latest notifications that you gotLooking something like this: http://ubuntuone.com/3pQaNx9TdpPXEZHMIjPgdP except not the tabs at the bottom How do you classify devices under notification indicators? What would this notify you of? (using the word notifications was not really a good idea from me.)We could show for example an entry for every device where it makes sense.Every entry could contain a menu with actionsFor example- Usb Stick - Documents (17) // open gnome-documents - Videos (3) // open gnome videos - see all files // open nautilus- Video DVD - Watch Movie // open totem - Import or Rip Movie // open ...etcThis could remove the need to open a window in situations like this: If a new printer is plugged in and recognized automatically while neither a Print dialog nor System Settings (any panel) is open, System Settings should open to the Printers panel, the list of printers should scroll to show the new printer, and it should be selected in the list. (This is analogous to a USB storage device window opening when it is connected.) But i have to say that i have not really thought a lot about how the specific indicators could look like. I just wanted to give a few examples. People didn't see the updates notification area item even when it was shown by default. What use would it be if it was hidden? :-) The reason why some people don't see it is in my opinion because we have indicators where some people don't care about.Lets say we have a user who uses his computer only to look his mails (in gmail) and tobrowse the internet. His first time where he uses ubuntu he look around and finds outhow to connect to the internet, ... (or a friend shows him)But after that the internet connect automaticly etc and he just look at the topright to look at the clock and maybe adjust the volume when he is in youtube.He simply doesn't care about what else is there. When i look how it works for example in android:At the top left you have the name of your carrier and nothing elseWhen you got 1 or more notifications the carrier will be replaced with 1 or more icons.You now have icons where before where only text.You see that immediatly and choose based on the icons if you want to check the notificationnow, later or just clear it. If i am right about this people will notice the update-indicator.Because if only the things that are important for them are visible and they seean unknown icon they will check if its maybe important too? (at least i think so) Also, a menu item wouldn't show enough information for you to be able to decide whether you want to update a particular
Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators
Holy shit gmail removed somehow when i make a new line. Resending my mail: Hi, i didn't explained my idea good enough and you and probably others have understand me wrong. so i try to explain with different words. the basic idea is that when you turn the computer on it shows the minimum of indicators thats possible. http://unity.exemo.net/panel_beginning.png you can expand them by clicking on the arrow: http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png when an event happens 4 different things can happen: a: show only a notification b: show a notification and show an indicator (if the indicator is already visible add an entry to the menu) c: show a notification and hide an indicator d: remove an entry from an indicator menu (if its the last entry the indicator will be hidden) The nofifications are like now and will fade in and after a few sec. fade out. The indicators will be show at an event and remain visible until later when another event hides it again Examples: Event: Files will be uploaded to ubuntu one What happens: a:-show notification: x files will be uploaded ... Event: You get a new mail What happens: b: - show notification: You got a new mail ... - show message indicator - http://unity.exemo.net/new_mail.png Event: You remove the cable from your laptop What happens - b:- show notification: You have x hours left ... - show batteryindicator - http://unity.exemo.net/mail_and_battery.png Event: You focus the chat window What happens: d- remove the previously added chat-notification-entry from the message menu Event: You connect the cable to your laptop What happens - c: - show notification: Battery will be full in ... - hide battery indicator - http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png Why? What problem would it be solving? That's a good question (as always ;-))There has been already a lot of work done in the top right corner and i don't see any real problems with what we currently have. The only thing is that i have currently 8 indicators that are always visible. Other users might have more or less. I just think that it would look better when you have a maximised application and you have less indicators visible. (the minimum possible) I think for the same reason that the window buttons are not visible when not needet. If the messaging menu was hidden by default, what use would it be? I didn't mean to use the messaging menu like we have it today. More something like a list of the latest notifications that you got Looking something like this: http://ubuntuone.com/3pQaNx9TdpPXEZHMIjPgdP except not the tabs at the bottom How do you classify devices under notification indicators? What would this notify you of? (using the word notifications was not really a good idea from me.) We could show for example an entry for every device where it makes sense. Every entry could contain a menu with actions For example - UsbStick - Documents (17) // open gnome-documents - Videos (3) // open gnome videos - see all files // open nautilus - Video DVD - Watch Movie // open totem - Import or Rip Movie // open ... etc This could remove the need to open a window in situations like this: If a new printer is plugged in and recognized automatically while neither a Print dialog nor System Settings (any panel) is open, System Settings should open to the Printers panel, the list of printers should scroll to show the new printer, and it should be selected in the list. (This is analogous to a USB storage device window opening when it is connected.) But i have to say that i have not really thought a lot about how the specific indicators could look like. I just wanted to give a few examples. People didn't see the updates notification area item even when it was shown by default. What use would it be if it was hidden? :-) The reason why some people don't see it is in my opinion because we have indicators where some people don't care about. Lets say we have a user who uses his computer only to look his mails (in gmail) and to browse the internet. His first time where he uses ubuntu he look around and finds out how to connect to the internet, ... (or a friend shows him) But after that the internet connect automatically etc and he just look at the top-right to look at the clock and maybe adjust the volume when he is in youtube. He simply doesn't care about what else is there. When i look how it works for example in android: At the top left you have the name of your carrier and nothing else When you got 1 or more notifications the carrier will be replaced with 1 or more icons. You now have icons where before where only text. You see that immediatly and choose based on the icons if you want to check the notification now, later or just clear it. If i am right about this people will notice the update-indicator. Because if only the things that are important for them are visible and they see an unknown icon they will
Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators
i like it, i would actually keep the volume always visible since i mouse over it frequently, also in windows, kde, etc. is also kept visible (but is configurable in kde). i do have this area pretty cluttered: glipper, system monitor applet, keyboard language switcher and all the others. so this would help but a person should configure to keep the applets they want visible all the time or on demand, etc.. Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:05:38 +0100 From: david.reichl...@googlemail.com To: m...@canonical.com CC: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators Holy shit gmail removed somehow when i make a new line. Resending my mail: Hi, i didn't explained my idea good enough and you and probably others have understand me wrong. so i try to explain with different words. the basic idea is that when you turn the computer on it shows the minimum of indicators thats possible. http://unity.exemo.net/panel_beginning.png you can expand them by clicking on the arrow: http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png when an event happens 4 different things can happen: a: show only a notification b: show a notification and show an indicator (if the indicator is already visible add an entry to the menu) c: show a notification and hide an indicator d: remove an entry from an indicator menu (if its the last entry the indicator will be hidden) The nofifications are like now and will fade in and after a few sec. fade out. The indicators will be show at an event and remain visible until later when another event hides it again Examples: Event: Files will be uploaded to ubuntu one What happens: a:-show notification: x files will be uploaded ... Event: You get a new mail What happens: b: - show notification: You got a new mail ... - show message indicator - http://unity.exemo.net/new_mail.png Event: You remove the cable from your laptop What happens - b:- show notification: You have x hours left ... - show batteryindicator - http://unity.exemo.net/mail_and_battery.png Event: You focus the chat window What happens: d- remove the previously added chat-notification-entry from the message menu Event: You connect the cable to your laptop What happens - c: - show notification: Battery will be full in ... - hide battery indicator - http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png Why? What problem would it be solving? That's a good question (as always ;-))There has been already a lot of work done in the top right corner and i don't see any real problems with what we currently have. The only thing is that i have currently 8 indicators that are always visible. Other users might have more or less. I just think that it would look better when you have a maximised application and you have less indicators visible. (the minimum possible) I think for the same reason that the window buttons are not visible when not needet. If the messaging menu was hidden by default, what use would it be? I didn't mean to use the messaging menu like we have it today. More something like a list of the latest notifications that you got Looking something like this: http://ubuntuone.com/3pQaNx9TdpPXEZHMIjPgdP except not the tabs at the bottom How do you classify devices under notification indicators? What would this notify you of? (using the word notifications was not really a good idea from me.) We could show for example an entry for every device where it makes sense. Every entry could contain a menu with actions For example - UsbStick - Documents (17) // open gnome-documents - Videos (3) // open gnome videos - see all files // open nautilus - Video DVD - Watch Movie // open totem - Import or Rip Movie // open ... etc This could remove the need to open a window in situations like this: If a new printer is plugged in and recognized automatically while neither a Print dialog nor System Settings (any panel) is open, System Settings should open to the Printers panel, the list of printers should scroll to show the new printer, and it should be selected in the list. (This is analogous to a USB storage device window opening when it is connected.) But i have to say that i have not really thought a lot about how the specific indicators could look like. I just wanted to give a few examples. People didn't see the updates notification area item even when it was shown by default. What use would it be if it was hidden? :-) The reason why some people don't see it is in my opinion because we have indicators where some people don't care about. Lets say we have a user who uses his computer only to look his mails (in gmail) and to browse the internet. His first time where he uses ubuntu he look around and finds out how to connect to the internet, ... (or a friend shows him) But after that the internet
Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators
I don't really see any problems with letting a user hide indicators manually, but all of them should always be visible by default. The seemingly haphazard hiding of indicators in Windows were, if I'm correct, one of the reasons we developed indicators in the first place. Instead of developing ways to hide indicators, perhaps it would be more useful to refine the interaction when the window title, window menu, and indicators run long and meet? On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:59, Omar B. estela...@hotmail.com wrote: i like it, i would actually keep the volume always visible since i mouse over it frequently, also in windows, kde, etc. is also kept visible (but is configurable in kde). i do have this area pretty cluttered: glipper, system monitor applet, keyboard language switcher and all the others. so this would help but a person should configure to keep the applets they want visible all the time or on demand, etc.. Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:05:38 +0100 From: david.reichl...@googlemail.com To: m...@canonical.com CC: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators Holy shit gmail removed somehow when i make a new line. Resending my mail: Hi, i didn't explained my idea good enough and you and probably others have understand me wrong. so i try to explain with different words. the basic idea is that when you turn the computer on it shows the minimum of indicators thats possible. http://unity.exemo.net/panel_beginning.png you can expand them by clicking on the arrow: http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png when an event happens 4 different things can happen: a: show only a notification b: show a notification and show an indicator (if the indicator is already visible add an entry to the menu) c: show a notification and hide an indicator d: remove an entry from an indicator menu (if its the last entry the indicator will be hidden) The nofifications are like now and will fade in and after a few sec. fade out. The indicators will be show at an event and remain visible until later when another event hides it again Examples: Event: Files will be uploaded to ubuntu one What happens: a: -show notification: x files will be uploaded ... Event: You get a new mail What happens: b: - show notification: You got a new mail ... - show message indicator - http://unity.exemo.net/new_mail.png Event: You remove the cable from your laptop What happens - b: - show notification: You have x hours left ... - show batteryindicator - http://unity.exemo.net/mail_and_battery.png Event: You focus the chat window What happens: d - remove the previously added chat-notification-entry from the message menu Event: You connect the cable to your laptop What happens - c: - show notification: Battery will be full in ... - hide battery indicator - http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png Why? What problem would it be solving? That's a good question (as always ;-))There has been already a lot of work done in the top right corner and i don't see any real problems with what we currently have. The only thing is that i have currently 8 indicators that are always visible. Other users might have more or less. I just think that it would look better when you have a maximised application and you have less indicators visible. (the minimum possible) I think for the same reason that the window buttons are not visible when not needet. If the messaging menu was hidden by default, what use would it be? I didn't mean to use the messaging menu like we have it today. More something like a list of the latest notifications that you got Looking something like this: http://ubuntuone.com/3pQaNx9TdpPXEZHMIjPgdP except not the tabs at the bottom How do you classify devices under notification indicators? What would this notify you of? (using the word notifications was not really a good idea from me.) We could show for example an entry for every device where it makes sense. Every entry could contain a menu with actions For example - UsbStick - Documents (17) // open gnome-documents - Videos (3) // open gnome videos - see all files // open nautilus - Video DVD - Watch Movie // open totem - Import or Rip Movie // open ... etc This could remove the need to open a window in situations like this: If a new printer is plugged in and recognized automatically while neither a Print dialog nor System Settings (any panel) is open, System Settings should open to the Printers panel, the list of printers should scroll to show the new printer, and it should be selected in the list. (This is analogous to a USB storage device window opening when it is connected.) But i have to say that i have not really thought a lot about how the specific indicators could look like. I just wanted to give a few examples. People didn't see the updates notification area item even when it was shown by default. What use would it be if it was hidden
Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators
agree with you that they all should be visible, but be able to hide the ones you want or dont use frequently. someone created something like this: http://i.imgur.com/dhHNJ.png (thats not gnome-shell, is jjpanel) video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOp_NGPdkVo http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/oxygen-appmenu-replace-menu-with.html#comment-371674713 the collapsible applet area could be made in the unity panel. From: isan...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:20:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators To: estela...@hotmail.com CC: david.reichl...@googlemail.com; ayatana@lists.launchpad.net I don't really see any problems with letting a user hide indicators manually, but all of them should always be visible by default. The seemingly haphazard hiding of indicators in Windows were, if I'm correct, one of the reasons we developed indicators in the first place. Instead of developing ways to hide indicators, perhaps it would be more useful to refine the interaction when the window title, window menu, and indicators run long and meet? On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:59, Omar B. estela...@hotmail.com wrote: i like it, i would actually keep the volume always visible since i mouse over it frequently, also in windows, kde, etc. is also kept visible (but is configurable in kde). i do have this area pretty cluttered: glipper, system monitor applet, keyboard language switcher and all the others. so this would help but a person should configure to keep the applets they want visible all the time or on demand, etc.. Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:05:38 +0100 From: david.reichl...@googlemail.com To: m...@canonical.com CC: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators Holy shit gmail removed somehow when i make a new line. Resending my mail: Hi, i didn't explained my idea good enough and you and probably others have understand me wrong. so i try to explain with different words. the basic idea is that when you turn the computer on it shows the minimum of indicators thats possible. http://unity.exemo.net/panel_beginning.png you can expand them by clicking on the arrow: http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png when an event happens 4 different things can happen: a: show only a notification b: show a notification and show an indicator (if the indicator is already visible add an entry to the menu) c: show a notification and hide an indicator d: remove an entry from an indicator menu (if its the last entry the indicator will be hidden) The nofifications are like now and will fade in and after a few sec. fade out. The indicators will be show at an event and remain visible until later when another event hides it again Examples: Event: Files will be uploaded to ubuntu one What happens: a: -show notification: x files will be uploaded ... Event: You get a new mail What happens: b: - show notification: You got a new mail ... - show message indicator - http://unity.exemo.net/new_mail.png Event: You remove the cable from your laptop What happens - b: - show notification: You have x hours left ... - show batteryindicator - http://unity.exemo.net/mail_and_battery.png Event: You focus the chat window What happens: d - remove the previously added chat-notification-entry from the message menu Event: You connect the cable to your laptop What happens - c: - show notification: Battery will be full in ... - hide battery indicator - http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png Why? What problem would it be solving? That's a good question (as always ;-))There has been already a lot of work done in the top right corner and i don't see any real problems with what we currently have. The only thing is that i have currently 8 indicators that are always visible. Other users might have more or less. I just think that it would look better when you have a maximised application and you have less indicators visible. (the minimum possible) I think for the same reason that the window buttons are not visible when not needet. If the messaging menu was hidden by default, what use would it be? I didn't mean to use the messaging menu like we have it today. More something like a list of the latest notifications that you got Looking something like this: http://ubuntuone.com/3pQaNx9TdpPXEZHMIjPgdP except not the tabs at the bottom How do you classify devices under notification indicators? What would this notify you of? (using the word notifications was not really a good idea from me.) We could show for example an entry for every device where it makes sense. Every entry could contain a menu with actions For example - UsbStick - Documents (17) // open gnome-documents - Videos (3) // open gnome videos - see all files // open nautilus - Video DVD - Watch Movie // open totem
Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David wrote on 29/11/11 21:56: ... actually we show per default: - messages (status/chat/twitter/mail/ubuntu_one) - battery - bluetooth - network - sound (volume/music) - clock - session switcher (switch user) - Power (shutdown ...) Here is my proposal: - me menu - like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu or gnome-shell Why? What problem would it be solving? system indicators: (hidden by default, can be shown by clicking on an arrow) - sound - battery - network notification indicators: (hidden by default) - messages - like http://ubuntuone.com/3pQaNx9TdpPXEZHMIjPgdP If the messaging menu was hidden by default, what use would it be? - devices How do you classify devices under notification indicators? What would this notify you of? - updates - update all - -- - Ubuntu - -- - App1 - App2 - ... People didn't see the updates notification area item even when it was shown by default. What use would it be if it was hidden? :-) Also, a menu item wouldn't show enough information for you to be able to decide whether you want to update a particular application. - progress - like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/ProgressIndication - ... Why? What would be the use of collecting progress of different tasks into a menu? (As a comparison, should we also collect errors from different tasks into a single menu? Why or why not? How about selected text from different tasks? Or the most recently opened file from different tasks?) How it should work: - per default only the me menu should be visible. - clock: To be able to do that we need to find a new place for the clock. (launcher/dash?) The Dash is hidden by default, and the launcher is usually hidden. Do you think it is reasonable to hide the clock most of the time? - networking: is most of the time not needed (automatic connects at lan/known wlan/usb/...) - battery: is only interesting when its discharging Your arrangement would hide it even when it is discharging. - sound: annoying when its hidden and you don't have hardware buttons Does that mean it should be shown by default? - indicators are only visible when needed - you can click on an arrow to see - battery - network - sound (hides automatic when you move your mouse away from the panel) - we could show a number for how many notifications happened (3 in messages, 2 downloads, ...) - only notifications and system indicators should be allowed - To do that we need to find the use cases of the other indicators and find ways to handle them (i didn't really do that) - for some indicators it might be enough to use quicklist? (tomboy) I agree there's no compelling reason for a note-taking application to have its own status menu. - we could improve minimize - good for apps like opera/lernid/... that wants to hide their main window - every application could be hidden by minimizing it - minimized apps could be shown ass small icons at the bottom in the launcher - easier to have a feature to start apps hidden at login. How does this relate to indicator menus? - not sure how other indicators like cpu scaling or desktop recording etc could be handled Indicators become visible/hidden when a specific notification happens: - Open Wireless connection found - notification + network indicator fades in - connection etablished - notification + if visible network indicator fades out - New mail - notification + message indicator fades in - New chat - notification + message indicator fades in - another new mail - notification + updated message indicator Do you mean that it would fade in and stay there, or that it would fade in temporarily? - New Printer found. Installing... - only notification - Driver for printer needed - notification + device menu fades in - Printer is ready to use - notification + if visible device indicator fades out Yesterday I started writing up proposals for how various printer events should be presented. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Printing - New updates found - notification + update indicator fades in (with feature to update all) - please close firefox to continue updates - notification + update indicator change state - playing music - sound menu fades in Hmm, that seems a little bit backwards. Usually when music starts playing, it's because you told it to play, so you don't need a notification in that case. On the other hand, the sound menu currently lets you quickly start music playing in the first place -- and it wouldn't be nearly so quick if it was hidden by default. - audio conversation (skype and co) - sound menu fades in - sound menu fades out when finished - ... pro - The blue icon effect is no longer needed Hurrah. :-) - there was a notification when you see an icon - there was no notification when there is no icon -
Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators
On 11/29/2011 05:56 PM, David wrote: Hi, i have a new proposal for notifications / indicators: actually we show per default: - messages (status/chat/twitter/mail/ubuntu_one) - battery - bluetooth - network - sound (volume/music) - clock - session switcher (switch user) - Power (shutdown ...) Here is my proposal: - me menu - like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu or gnome-shell system indicators: (hidden by default, can be shown by clicking on an arrow) - sound - battery - network notification indicators: (hidden by default) - messages - like http://ubuntuone.com/3pQaNx9TdpPXEZHMIjPgdP - devices - updates - update all - -- - Ubuntu - -- - App1 - App2 - ... - progress - like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/ProgressIndication - ... How it should work: - per default only the me menu should be visible. - clock: To be able to do that we need to find a new place for the clock. (launcher/dash?) - networking: is most of the time not needed (automatic connects at lan/known wlan/usb/...) - battery: is only interesting when its discharging - sound: annoying when its hidden and you don't have hardware buttons - indicators are only visible when needed - you can click on an arrow to see - battery - network - sound (hides automatic when you move your mouse away from the panel) - we could show a number for how many notifications happened (3 in messages, 2 downloads, ...) - only notifications and system indicators should be allowed - To do that we need to find the use cases of the other indicators and find ways to handle them (i didn't really do that) - for some indicators it might be enough to use quicklist? (tomboy) - we could improve "minimize" - good for apps like opera/lernid/... that wants to hide their main window - every application could be hidden by minimizing it - minimized apps could be shown ass small icons at the bottom in the launcher - easier to have a feature to start apps "hidden" at login. - not sure how other indicators like cpu scaling or desktop recording etc could be handled Indicators become visible/hidden when a specific notification happens: - Open Wireless connection found - notification + network indicator fades in - connection etablished - notification + if visible network indicator fades out - New mail - notification + message indicator fades in - New chat - notification + message indicator fades in - another new mail - notification + updated message indicator - New Printer found. Installing... - only notification - Driver for printer needed - notification + device menu fades in - Printer is ready to use - notification + if visible device indicator fades out - New updates found - notification + update indicator fades in (with feature to update all) - please close firefox to continue updates - notification + update indicator change state - playing music - sound menu fades in - audio conversation (skype and co) - sound menu fades in - sound menu fades out when finished - ... pro - The blue icon effect is no longer needed - there was a notification when you see an icon - there was no notification when there is no icon - cleaned up top right corner - more place for menus and title (even more important on small screens) - better looking - Everything is about the application, you see nothing system releated. i think this fits good into the vision to integrate applications with the panel contra - more clicks needed to do simple things like - changing volume when no hardware buttons are avaible - bluetooth - connecting to a network - we could always show the network indicator when not connected remaining questions: - is it ok that the clock is not always visible? - where should the clock be? launcher? dash? - should we show the network-indicator as long as you have never been connected - people might not know how to connect to the internet - what are other problems with this? I am working on a mockup (in form of a webpage) so that you can try it out and see how it would work/look. It should be ready in 2 or 3 days. What do you think? David Reiching ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp I like this proposal, and it has my "vote". Hiding indicators with an arrow is one of the features I most miss in Unity. Especially when using a lot of indicators, which can overlap with the menus in some applications (and no, I don't see anything wrong with the applications having long menus, though something should be done to handle the overflow from these menus). Here's how my current panel is: ___ Mailing list:
[Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators
Hi, i have a new proposal for notifications / indicators: actually we show per default: - messages (status/chat/twitter/mail/ubuntu_one) - battery - bluetooth - network - sound (volume/music) - clock - session switcher (switch user) - Power (shutdown ...) Here is my proposal: - me menu - like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu or gnome-shell system indicators: (hidden by default, can be shown by clicking on an arrow) - sound - battery - network notification indicators: (hidden by default) - messages - like http://ubuntuone.com/3pQaNx9TdpPXEZHMIjPgdP - devices - updates - update all - -- - Ubuntu - -- - App1 - App2 - ... - progress - like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/ProgressIndication - ... How it should work: - per default only the me menu should be visible. - clock: To be able to do that we need to find a new place for the clock. (launcher/dash?) - networking: is most of the time not needed (automatic connects at lan/known wlan/usb/...) - battery: is only interesting when its discharging - sound: annoying when its hidden and you don't have hardware buttons - indicators are only visible when needed - you can click on an arrow to see - battery - network - sound (hides automatic when you move your mouse away from the panel) - we could show a number for how many notifications happened (3 in messages, 2 downloads, ...) - only notifications and system indicators should be allowed - To do that we need to find the use cases of the other indicators and find ways to handle them (i didn't really do that) - for some indicators it might be enough to use quicklist? (tomboy) - we could improve minimize - good for apps like opera/lernid/... that wants to hide their main window - every application could be hidden by minimizing it - minimized apps could be shown ass small icons at the bottom in the launcher - easier to have a feature to start apps hidden at login. - not sure how other indicators like cpu scaling or desktop recording etc could be handled Indicators become visible/hidden when a specific notification happens: - Open Wireless connection found - notification + network indicator fades in - connection etablished - notification + if visible network indicator fades out - New mail - notification + message indicator fades in - New chat - notification + message indicator fades in - another new mail - notification + updated message indicator - New Printer found. Installing... - only notification - Driver for printer needed - notification + device menu fades in - Printer is ready to use - notification + if visible device indicator fades out - New updates found - notification + update indicator fades in (with feature to update all) - please close firefox to continue updates - notification + update indicator change state - playing music - sound menu fades in - audio conversation (skype and co) - sound menu fades in - sound menu fades out when finished - ... pro - The blue icon effect is no longer needed - there was a notification when you see an icon - there was no notification when there is no icon - cleaned up top right corner - more place for menus and title (even more important on small screens) - better looking - Everything is about the application, you see nothing system releated. i think this fits good into the vision to integrate applications with the panel contra - more clicks needed to do simple things like - changing volume when no hardware buttons are avaible - bluetooth - connecting to a network - we could always show the network indicator when not connected remaining questions: - is it ok that the clock is not always visible? - where should the clock be? launcher? dash? - should we show the network-indicator as long as you have never been connected - people might not know how to connect to the internet - what are other problems with this? I am working on a mockup (in form of a webpage) so that you can try it out and see how it would work/look. It should be ready in 2 or 3 days. What do you think? David Reiching ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
