[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford Churches

[Patricia Butcher]

Hi Nancy,
Glad you enjoyed St Lawrence Catholic Church 
website. To answer your question about my 
Pereiras. Yes, they first settled in New England, 
New Bedford, MA. My grandfather, Thomas & brother 
Manuel Perry, were born in Cedros, Faial but both 
immigrated to New England in the late 1800's. I 
have about 4 Joe Perry's in my family.all 
with Faial ancestry. A common Portuguese name. I 
will post their sister's info below, the elusive 
great Aunt that I haven't located descendants of 
in the US. I try to post this once a year in 
hopes that a new list member might recognize something.
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Helpful Information: I have a Great Aunt, Maria Rosa Jorge, daughter of
Thomas Pereira Jorge de Escobar & Maria Rosa
that has been my brick wall for 8 years. I'm trying to locate descendants.
Maria Rosa Jorge was born 3-28-1882 in Cedros, 
Faial, Azores. She immigrated in 1893 at 11yrs of 
age with sister, Maria Adelaide Jorge 17yrs old, 
to RI.  SS Vega, 1893. Her older sister married & 
died less than two years later in RI. Maria Rosa 
was only 13yrs old when her sister died in 1895. 
No one in the family knows who she lived with or 
had any contact with her for years. She was alive 
in 1950 at 68yrs of age. Surprisingly appeared at her brothers funeral in
Jamestown, RI. I do not have her married name but 
was told she married young. This family lived in 
New Bedford, MA & RI so I have been searching
both areas.She could have used the name Perry 
(Pereira). Maria Rosa Perry or Maria 
Jorge.  Maria Clara Jorge (George or Perry) The 
double surnames are challenging to work with. My goal is to find her
marriage or death record. Thanks...

Patricia


At 08:45 AM 1/12/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Patricia,
>Thanks so much for the link to St. Lawrence. 
>What a beautiful church..I like envisioning 
>my ancestors and their rituals occurring in these churches so many years ago!
>Are your Pereiras from New England? We do know 
>that Joseph Perry/Jose Pereira was from Sao 
>Jorge. Beira is what we were told. I anxiously 
>await the CCA records for Beira becoming 
>available. Now that I know his parents were 
>Antonio Pereira and Zabina de Jesus I will be 
>able to find his Baptism and perhaps names of 
>other siblings. We think he had a brother Frank Perry.
>Jose was taken from the dock at Velas when he 
>was 12 and used as a cabin boy. He was 
>eventually sold into white slavery and ended up 
>in England as a stable worker for a "Duke?" (so 
>the story goes)..he was eventually given his 
>freedom and a Hamilton watch that my brother 
>still has. He went to the gold rushI wish I 
>could find his ship records coming into Ca. He 
>left by ship, spent some time in Brazil and 
>learned the trade of cigarmaker, left there and 
>the story goes that he jumped ship off the Mass. 
>coast and walked to New Bedford and found 
>relatives who sent for a bride for him. She was 
>from Pico, Rosa Luiza, they had 12 
>childrenall in New Bedford. Can't find her either!
>Good luck with your elusive Aunt...I bet 
>lots of genealogists like mysteries since the 
>search for our ancestors is an on going one!
>Kind regards,
>Nancy
>
>
>
>
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>
>Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:47:48 -0800
>To: Azores@googlegroups.com
>From: pereir...@cox.net
>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford Churches
>
>Hi Nancy,
>Found a website for St Lawrence Catholic church 
>in New Bedford, Ma with beautiful photos. They 
>even have one of Father Sullivan. Thought you 
>might be interested. Here is the link:
>http://www.saintlawrencemartyr.com/gallery/pages/photo1.htm
>
>Still looking for my elusive great Aunt's 
>marriage record, Maria Rosa Jorge. Have searched 
>every church in New Bedford for the past 7 years 
>except this one. Looks like I can email them. Thanks for the tip.
>
>Patricia
>Las Vegas, Nevada
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] New Flemish article on Azores GenWeb site

[Kathy Cardoza]

Hello Everyone

I just posted today, a new submission by André Claeys, the gentleman  
who has submitted other articles to the Azores GenWeb site, based on  
his research of the genealogy of some of the Flemish colonists. He  
wrote this new genealogy of Jorge da Terra from the island of Faial.  
It is illustrated and approx. 56 pages long, and posted as a PDF. As  
his other submissions have been, this is written in the Dutch language  
but, it should be fairly easy to do a search for a name that could be  
contained in the document. Also, at the end of the document, is a  
translation of many of the words in it from Dutch to Portuguese to  
English.

Enjoy!
http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/Flemish_history.html

Kathy
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is couple married ?

[rpimentel]

Hi Cheri my comments below.
 
The tif file can be opened with Microsoft document imaging 
 
Rick
 
Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, New Hampshire, USA
Researching Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho,
Teixeira, Rocha
 
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From: Azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:17 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is couple married ?
 
Rick,

I've got my computer scanning itself, so I'm getting errors about
opening the files.  I'll try again later or from a different computer.

Maybe this was one of the records that was written later and the
priest/scribe just flat out goofed up and put some other Maria as
Antonio's wife?  Couldn't read the original notes (due to rain, spilled
vinho, etc) and took a guess?  But didn't they have it read back to
them?

Question...Did you find Anna (b. 1839)'s marriage or death?  Who did it
say her parents were?  Or Anna as a mother having kids?
[rpimen...@peoplepc.com] That is something I am going to have to look
for. There are no margin notes on the record so perhaps she died as an
infant or child. I do not have any record of the grand parents. This is
like looking for a needle in a hay stack. I think my best bet is to look
at obits and hope she died young. If she married then I should have it
if it was before 1884 and I don't.
Some times I wonder why I peruse mysteries like this which are not in my
direct line.
 


Cheri


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is couple married ?

[Cheri Mello]

Rick,

I've got my computer scanning itself, so I'm getting errors about opening
the files.  I'll try again later or from a different computer.

Maybe this was one of the records that was written later and the
priest/scribe just flat out goofed up and put some other Maria as Antonio's
wife?  Couldn't read the original notes (due to rain, spilled vinho, etc)
and took a guess?  But didn't they have it read back to them?

Question...Did you find Anna (b. 1839)'s marriage or death?  Who did it say
her parents were?  Or Anna as a mother having kids?

Cheri

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is couple married ?

[rpimentel]

Good thought but he had one child with his wife before this child and 4
more with his wife after.
 
Rick
 
Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, New Hampshire, USA
Researching Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho,
Teixeira, Rocha
 
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Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:16 AM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is couple married ?
 
Hi Rick,

I've seen a couple of records where the parents weren't married (or were
married to other people) and the records clearly state that.  I saw one
where it said the woman was married to so and so and the father was an
adulterer!  George Pacheco and those that research for others have seen
many of these types of records.  

I think the priest forgot the words "sua mulher".  Maybe it's his second
wife as the first one died after having the 5 or 6 kids??

Cheri




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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is couple married ?

[Guida Leicester]

Sounds like my Casanova, gggrandfather, "E"

Could they be the same man?  Maybe we are related.

Guida

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From: "E" Sharp 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is couple married ?
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 9:43 PM


Rick,

Well, my casanova ggrandfather had one child with his wife and 3
months later another child with another woman who is listed as
solteira.  In this case, it says pai incognito but he is named as the
grandfather in a later record.

Do you think the legitima is because he recognized the child as his
even though they were not married, but I would think legitima would be
if they were married??

Are you snowed in still?  My nephew recently moved to your neck of the
woods and I am not so sure, even though he came from MA, he was
prepared for all the snow you have.

"E"





  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1905 Oakland City Directory

[celeste perry]

Hi Gordon,
   Happy New Year.  Unfortunately, the copy I have is only for those towns I 
listed.  I must have copied the outlying areas and not the entire Oakland 
area.  They have many Oakland city directories at the Oakland Main Library, in 
case you have not tried that.  Celeste

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1905 Oakland City Directory
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 6:54 PM



Hi Celeste:
is there any reference to Marshall's bar in Oakland?
Gordon 

 
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If anyone is interested, I found I have a copy of the "Husted¢s Oakland, 
Alameda & Berkeley and Alameda County Directory for the year 1905."
 
 This directory gives "name, occupation and residence of all adult persons, 
together with a classified business directors. Also street guide of Oakland, 
newly revised and enlarged. Also new street guide of Alameda and Berkeley."
In browsing the directory, I find that there are listings for: 
Alden (formerly North Temescal, for names see Oakland.
Altamont, a station on the S.P. Jcjo¢s western division, 50 miles from Oakland
Alvarado, On S.P. Co¢s road (narrow gauge),20 miles from Oakland
Byron, Contra Costa County (persons residing in Alameda County, but get mail at 
Byron)
Centerville, located 3 miles from Newark on S.P. Co. R.R. (narrow gauge) with 
which a street railway connects
Decoto, on S.P. Co. R.R. 20 miles from Oakland.
Diamond, for names see Oakland
Dougherty, located on mountain road from Haywards to Pleasanton. 9 miles from 
Haywards
Dublin, See Doughtery
Elmhurst, on S.P. Co¢s R.R. 4 miles from Oakland
Emeryville, for names see Oakland
Fitchburg, for names see Oakland & Elmhurst
Fruitvale, for names see Oakland
Golden Gate, for names see Oakland
Haywards, a station on the S.P. Cos Western Division, 15 miles from Oakland

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com





  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford Churches

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Patricia,
Thanks so much for the link to St. Lawrence. What a beautiful church..I 
like envisioning my ancestors and their rituals occurring in these churches so 
many years ago! 
Are your Pereiras from New England? We do know that Joseph Perry/Jose Pereira 
was from Sao Jorge. Beira is what we were told. I anxiously await the CCA 
records for Beira becoming available. Now that I know his parents were Antonio 
Pereira and Zabina de Jesus I will be able to find his Baptism and perhaps 
names of other siblings. We think he had a brother Frank Perry.
Jose was taken from the dock at Velas when he was 12 and used as a cabin boy. 
He was eventually sold into white slavery and ended up in England as a stable 
worker for a "Duke?" (so the story goes)..he was eventually given his 
freedom and a Hamilton watch that my brother still has. He went to the gold 
rushI wish I could find his ship records coming into Ca. He left by ship, 
spent some time in Brazil and learned the trade of cigarmaker, left there and 
the story goes that he jumped ship off the Mass. coast and walked to New 
Bedford and found relatives who sent for a bride for him. She was from Pico, 
Rosa Luiza, they had 12 childrenall in New Bedford. Can't find her either!
Good luck with your elusive Aunt...I bet lots of genealogists like 
mysteries since the search for our ancestors is an on going one!
Kind regards,
Nancy
 



Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:47:48 -0800To: azo...@googlegroups.comfrom: 
pereir...@cox.netsubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford ChurchesHi 
Nancy,Found a website for St Lawrence Catholic church in New Bedford, Ma with 
beautiful photos. They even have one of Father Sullivan. Thought you might be 
interested. Here is the 
link:http://www.saintlawrencemartyr.com/gallery/pages/photo1.htmStill looking 
for my elusive great Aunt's marriage record, Maria Rosa Jorge. Have searched 
every church in New Bedford for the past 7 years except this one. Looks like I 
can email them. Thanks for the tip.PatriciaLas Vegas, Nevada
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Obit - Maria De Fatima Silva - Toronto, Ontario

[tygerzeyez]

SILVA, Maria De Fatima - (August 31, 1950 - January 10, 2009). Of Thornton
Avenue. A viewing took place yesterday. Burial in Portugal. Maria, who was
predeceased by husband Antonio Manteiga, is survived by 6 children and 11
grandchildren. 416-532-5965 

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is couple married ?

[Marralha]

In a message dated 1/11/2009 11:26:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rpimen...@peoplepc.com writes: 
> Hi all.
> 
>   
> 
>  Ok here is one that is giving me fits.
> 
>   
> 
>  I have the birth of a child “Anna fillia legitma de Antonio Furtado e de 
> Maria da Trindade “. The normal format in this section of records is to use “
> sua Mulher” this record does not.
> 
>   
> 
>  I have Antonio as being married to another woman and have six other 
> children one before this one and five after so far and all the names match on 
> these 
> records. 
> 
>  
> 
>  This record has a different woman and maternal grandparents.
> 
>   
> 
>  My conclusion is that this is an out of wedlock child but other than the 
> absence of “sua mulher” I am not sure. 
> 
>  
> 
>  What do you think?
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
Legitimate would mean they were married. What was the other wife's name? 
Could it be that the wife was also known by another name. E.g. my paternal 
grandmother was Maria da Estrela, Maria Leonor and Maria Cândida de Jesus!

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