[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean Passports

2009-04-11 Thread Robyn Horan

On 31/03/2009, Carolyn S.  wrote:
>
>
>  Thanks Cheri, I will head out to FHC tomorrow..
>
>
> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:34:53 -0700
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean Passports
> From: gfsche...@gmail.com
> To: Azores@googlegroups.com
>
> Yes, Carolyn, the Madeiran ones were filmed.
>
> They can be ordered through your local Family History Center (FHC).  It
> covers 7 rolls of film.  You'll want to order the film that covers your
> year(s) only.
>
> You'll have to copy and paste this link together:
> http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C0%2C0&titleno=38186&disp=Documentos+civis+do+Distrito+de+Funchal++
>
> Or try the TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/ch687s
>
> There is a partial index, however it doesn't cover all the years, nor was it
> filmed.
> Cut and paste again:
> http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=1013157&disp=%C3%8Dndices+dos+passaportes%20%20&columns=*,0,0
>
> Or try the TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/dzrm2s
>
> For those who are grumbling about "copy, cut and paste", here's some URLs to
> help you:
> http://www.aarp.org/money/consumer/articles/cutpaste.html
> http://www.aarp.org/money/consumer/articles/ib-lesson2.html
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, R. das Tainhas,
> Achada
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: First Names

2009-04-11 Thread sarabelm
Dear Char,
 No, it's not a typo error. I've seen the name (usually spelled Felizberto 
) and a feminine version ending in "a" instead of "o".? I remember them in 
records from Faial? and Pico.
Arline Silveira in Grover Beach, CA



I received a letter from a Church today, and it gives the first name
of an ancestor's father as something that I have never heard before.
The name is Flizberto. Is this a typo error?

Anyone else heard or seen this name? It was Ramos as a last name.

Char



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[AZORES-Genealogy] First Names

2009-04-11 Thread Family History

I received a letter from a Church today, and it gives the first name
of an ancestor's father as something that I have never heard before.
The name is Flizberto. Is this a typo error?

Anyone else heard or seen this name? It was Ramos as a last name.

Char
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Bernadina Furtado b. 1897

2009-04-11 Thread lexi . 1883

Hello Group,

After attending the "Tracing Your Portuguese Roots Genealogy Workshop"
last weekend, I decided not to waste another minute interviewing my
relatives who are still among us.  I called my father's cousin today,
she's 88 and told more about my grandmother, Bernadina Furtado that I
ever knew before now.  I never knew my grandmother, but she lived on
today with Joanne's memories.  Must admit, I had a tear in my eye and
a smile on my face, at the same time.  lol

Joanne told me that my father, was very strict.  I replied back " no
kidding" remember he was my father and I know all about his rule of
thumb. I'm looking forward to meeting up with Joanne & her brother,
Manuel in the next few weeks and I'm bringing my tape recorder.

Lexi

On Mar 15, 3:39 pm, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> Hi Lexi,
>
> I wrote that generic letter.  You already have the address.  Just delete the
> last line of ZIP and City.  The ZIP is 9500 and the city is Ponta Delgada.
> The address was way up on page one.  It looks like the HTML formatting put
> the word "date" in the address on the form letter on the last page.  I'll
> let Kathy know so she can fix that.
>
> Cheri
>
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Lexi  wrote:
>
> > I'm stuck and could use some advice, please
>
> > I was just filling out this form
>
> > "To obtain a copy of her baptismal, you'll need to write to the
> > Biblioteca on
> > Sao Miguel island.  The address and a fill-in the blank letter can be
> > found
> > on the Azores Genweb here:
> >http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/genresources.html
>
> > Here's where I stuck
>
> > BIBLIOTECA PUBLICA E ARQUIVO
> > DE PONTA DELGADA
> > RUA LARGO COLEGIO
> > 9500 PONTA DELGADA
> > SAO MIGUEL, ACORES
> > ZIP and CITY Date
>
> > Where can I find the ZIP and what does CITY date mean?
>
> > Lexi
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with translation and identification

2009-04-11 Thread lexi . 1883

Thanks everyone for all these interesting replies

"A woman
might stand at the entrance and call to husband inside to come home
(before he
got too drunk!),"

Funny I can remember my mother doing this at the doorway of the Holy
Ghost in West Warwick every year at the feast.Didn't think much of
it at the time.  :-)

Lexi






On Apr 11, 2:27 pm, "Sam Koester"  wrote:
> This is interesting.  The situation you describe is exactly what I found in
> Australia many years ago.  Being an American woman, I was very curious as to
> what went on in the men’s side of the place so, I got a job behind the bar
> there. (Found it odd that I could work behind the bar but; not enter through
> the men’s door!)  Nothing went on except for guys laughing and talking and
> enjoying their booze.  All rather mundane stuff.  I didn’t realize this
> practice went on anywhere else in the world.  Interesting…..Sam in Ca
>
> From: Azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> marra...@cs.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 7:54 AM
> To: Azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with translation and identification
>
> In a message dated 4/10/2009 8:01:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> gfsche...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Lexi/Marilyn,
>
> That's what George said...the men's entrance was because of the liquor.  
>
> You never know with pictures.  I had one that I took around for a few years.
> I was helping a man at my FHC in Los Angeles on his Portuguese lines.  We
> never found a connection (yet).  He asked me to come over around Christmas
> and meet his parents from RI.  I came with old photos.  His father
> identified some of the people in the photo!
>
> My guess is that like so many of these little village establishments, this
> was a combination general store/tavern "tasca" or "taberna". In those days
> women NEVER went inside a tasca. It was strictly a place for men. A woman
> might stand at the entrance and call to husband inside to come home (before
> he got too drunk!), but going inside was not OK if she valued her
> reputation. The idea of a woman standing at the bat downing cachaças with
> the best of them was a scandal. These general stores-taverns were generally
> 2 room affairs, one for the store and the other for the tavern. There was a
> connecting door so that the owner could go from one room to the other and
> tend to business single handed on both sides.
>
> In case you find this arrangement strange, here in New England (Billy's Café
> on Bedford Street in Fall River comes to mind) always had a "Lady's
> Entrance" The front of the bar was exactly that: a bar with stools, some
> tables, a TV, a pool table, etc. It was just for the guys. The Lady's
> Entrance brought you to the back room, a "lounge" with booths. Billy's is
> still there, and still has the back entrance, now called a "Family Entrance"
> for those who are there for a meal in the lounge and not just a few frosties
> in the front. By the way, Billy's still serves the best chouriço plate this
> side of the Mississippi. A Happy Easter to all!
>
> John
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Getting started: Which genealogy software to use

2009-04-11 Thread Lynn Pritchett (Herstory)

I will be publishing a review on the newest version of RootsMagic in
the next couple weeks at the free-access online magazine Suite101.
 (Titled - RootsMagic4: which my husband & I had the opportunity to
beta test before it was marketed - Now checking/using market
version).
Over the years, we have purchased/used all 4 of the 'most popular'
Gedcom programs Cheri Mello compared in her speech she mentioned,
so have experience which to draw upon.  I can post the link here when
it's published, if there is interest?  ~ Lynn


On Apr 9, 1:47 pm, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> I had this question at lunch today:  Which genealogy software program should
> I use?
>
> That's actually a difficult question to answer, as a lot of it is based on
> personal preference.  Many factors are involved whether you are beginning in
> genealogy or and experienced user thinking of switching to a different
> program.
>
> All genealogy software programs record names, dates, places and allow you to
> source them.  Most have analyzing and planning features.  Sourcing is
> important, but often overlooked when starting out (all that enthusiasm of
> finding your ancestor!)  I've gone back many times wondering where I found
> something only to find out I didn't source or forgot to do it!  It's also
> helpful in contacting cousins and analyzing your data to be able to tell
> them where you found the info, especially when there is a question about a
> particular ancestor.
>
> If you are beginning, you are lucky.  Get a program NOW, so you aren't
> redoing all the work you did before.  I still have quite a bit of my info
> still in notebooks :(  It is so much easier to organize and keep track of
> your genealogy with a program.
>
> Other features that many programs do: Reports, charts, books, multimedia,
> Internet, DNA, and more.
>
> An OUTDATED (2005) genealogy software report card that compares the features
> of genealogy programs without extra commentary, can be found 
> here:http://www.mumford.ca/reportcard/
>
> Many of the programs mentioned no longer exist and some new software is out
> there that is not reflected on the above URL.  I don't believe any
> Internet-type software (e.g. you do your family tree on Ancestry.com) is on
> there.  If you are narrowing down a software program and are now considering
> just a couple of them, it would be best to read a review about them in a
> genealogy magazine (or Google it; you can find many reviews online) and
> download the demo/horse and pony show to see how you like it.
>
> Another more updated genealogy software review, with editor commentary can
> be found here:http://genealogy-software-review.toptenreviews.com/
> NOTE:  No free software programs are evaluated, nor are any Internet based
> genealogy software programs (e.g. Ancestry.com)  I also noticed that they
> didn't evaluate the current version of my genealogy program, but a version
> that's about 2 years old and therefore my program didn't score as high.
>
> A year ago I did a speech on Gedcoms.  I did the 4 most popular genealogy
> software programs out there are:
> Family Tree Maker (FTM), Legacy, Personal Ancestral File (PAF), and The
> Master Genealogist (TMG). (That's in alphabetical order, although FTM came
> out at number 1 in the user surveys that I looked at).  Lately, it seems
> that RootsMagic is starting to gain steam.
>
> OK, so which one to use?  Well, what's most important to you?  Some people
> say that they want a free program.  I'm aware of Family Tree Legends, Legacy
> (standard edition - the deluxe you pay for and unlocks about 100 more bells
> and whistles), and PAF (I think there latest update was around 2000/2001).
>
> Some people want easy to use.  That used to be FTM, but I think with the
> more recent versions, users state that it is harder to use.  PAF is also
> easy to use, but is no longer supported (in doing my Gedcom speech, I called
> SLC and they said that they have something else under development but were
> not at liberty to say).  Also "easy" depends on what you mean by easy.  What
> is easy to a person who got into computers fairly early in life versus
> someone who didn't get into computers until after the age of 65, may be two
> different things.  You'd need to download the demo versions and talk to
> users of that program to decide if it's for you.
>
> Some people want a powerful program.  That would be Legacy (deluxe) or TMG.
> TMG is probably the hardest to use, although in their newer versions, they
> have really tried to overcome this critisism.
>
> I had a what would now be considered a dumb reason to pick a genealogy
> program.  And a good reason too.  I bought my genealogy program in the early
> 1990s.  Programs had limitations then. I wanted something that I would not
> outgrow, and have to migrate to a different program.  That was my good
> reason.  The other reason?  I needed a program that would take diacritics
> (accented letters) and that would take 19 and 20 + character names such as
> V

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with translation and identification

2009-04-11 Thread Sam Koester
This is interesting.  The situation you describe is exactly what I found in
Australia many years ago.  Being an American woman, I was very curious as to
what went on in the men’s side of the place so, I got a job behind the bar
there. (Found it odd that I could work behind the bar but; not enter through
the men’s door!)  Nothing went on except for guys laughing and talking and
enjoying their booze.  All rather mundane stuff.  I didn’t realize this
practice went on anywhere else in the world.  Interesting…..Sam in Ca

 

From: Azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
marra...@cs.com
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 7:54 AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with translation and identification

 

In a message dated 4/10/2009 8:01:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
gfsche...@gmail.com writes: 



Lexi/Marilyn,

That's what George said...the men's entrance was because of the liquor.  

You never know with pictures.  I had one that I took around for a few years.
I was helping a man at my FHC in Los Angeles on his Portuguese lines.  We
never found a connection (yet).  He asked me to come over around Christmas
and meet his parents from RI.  I came with old photos.  His father
identified some of the people in the photo!


My guess is that like so many of these little village establishments, this
was a combination general store/tavern "tasca" or "taberna". In those days
women NEVER went inside a tasca. It was strictly a place for men. A woman
might stand at the entrance and call to husband inside to come home (before
he got too drunk!), but going inside was not OK if she valued her
reputation. The idea of a woman standing at the bat downing cachaças with
the best of them was a scandal. These general stores-taverns were generally
2 room affairs, one for the store and the other for the tavern. There was a
connecting door so that the owner could go from one room to the other and
tend to business single handed on both sides.

In case you find this arrangement strange, here in New England (Billy's Café
on Bedford Street in Fall River comes to mind) always had a "Lady's
Entrance" The front of the bar was exactly that: a bar with stools, some
tables, a TV, a pool table, etc. It was just for the guys. The Lady's
Entrance brought you to the back room, a "lounge" with booths. Billy's is
still there, and still has the back entrance, now called a "Family Entrance"
for those who are there for a meal in the lounge and not just a few frosties
in the front. By the way, Billy's still serves the best chouriço plate this
side of the Mississippi. A Happy Easter to all!

John




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Re: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Last Names

2009-04-11 Thread Genealogy

My father once told me, if I was in Ribeirinha, Terceira and I asked 
someone about Antonio Silva Mendonça. The individual  probably  would 
not recognize the name, if though the family was from Riberirinha for 
couple of years. His family name was Silveira, where that came from is 
anybody guess, My father's  g and ggrandfather have Silveira as a middle 
name.

Jack Mendonça

 
Joao S. Lopes wrote:

> Not necessarily. There is a very few cases when children adopted 
> godparents' surnames, but generally in XIX century, and it's very 
> rare. The adoption of surname were not so aleatory, but people could 
> adopt surnames from parents, uncles/aunts, grandparents, and, more 
> rarely, great-grandparents. There was no regular rule: I found many 
> people with all kinds of surname: maternal+paternal, 
> paternal+maternal, only maternal, only paternal, devotional. In some 
> families, sons adopted father's surname, while daughters adopted 
> mother's. Sometimes people used first names as surnames, or 
> professions or alcunhas. Only in the end of the XIXth century the 
> Portuguese surname became the "regular" formula maternal+paternal 
> (Spanish did the opposite). I have a brief history of Portuguese 
> surnames (in Portuguese) in my blog:
> http://mitoblogos.blogspot.com/2007/10/genealogia-3-evoluo-dos-sobrenomes.html
>
> JS Lopes
>
> 
> **




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Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Last Names

2009-04-11 Thread Joao S. Lopes
Not necessarily. There is a very few cases when children adopted godparents' 
surnames, but generally in XIX century, and it's very rare. The adoption of 
surname were not so aleatory, but people could adopt surnames from parents, 
uncles/aunts, grandparents, and, more rarely, great-grandparents. There was no 
regular rule: I found many people with all kinds of surname: maternal+paternal, 
paternal+maternal, only maternal, only paternal, devotional. In some families, 
sons adopted father's surname, while daughters adopted mother's. Sometimes 
people used first names as surnames, or professions or alcunhas. Only in the 
end of the XIXth century the Portuguese surname became the "regular" formula 
maternal+paternal (Spanish did the opposite). I have a brief history of 
Portuguese surnames (in Portuguese) in my blog:
http://mitoblogos.blogspot.com/2007/10/genealogia-3-evoluo-dos-sobrenomes.html


JS Lopes




De: celeste perry 
Para: Azores@googlegroups.com
Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 10 de Abril de 2009 23:24:10
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Last Names


My guess is that sometimes the family was so poor, they would use the 
godparent's name if the godparent owned a tree in someone else's plot of land.  
I think if I were in the same situation I would want to give my child the best 
chance to own that tree some time in the future.  

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com

--- On Fri, 4/10/09, "E" Sharp  wrote:

From: "E" Sharp 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Last Names
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 4:41 PM


Jessica,

They got the names from anyone they wantedmother, father,
grandmother, grandfather, saint, uncle, aunt.  Best not to try and
figure this one out.

Elaine


 



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Does anyone know this village?

2009-04-11 Thread mikeg

This series of posts among most fascinating yet! How great to see then
and now, with the church tower being the great clue. Made my morning.

On Apr 10, 6:41 pm, Mary Bordi  wrote:
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:35 PM, celeste perry wrote:
>
> >  I was told that the steeple was destroyed in an earthquake and when  
> > the church was restored, the steeple was moved to the far side, away  
> > from the water.
>
> This is so awesome! I was almost positive it was Rosais, except for  
> that tower. That sure explains it.
>
> I have a video of Sao Jorge (in Portuguese) from a few years ago that  
> shows them installing a new bell in that tower. (It was something I  
> bought, not video I shot.)
>
> I have done next to no research in the new archives images--only have  
> the research I had Joao Ventura do on my Rosais connection so I am  
> looking forward to finding more relatives.
>
> Mary Bordi
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Films in Exeter NH FHC

2009-04-11 Thread Marralha
In a message dated 4/10/2009 8:28:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
j...@teecee.com writes: 
> went to the site and filed out most of the information.   But the is a 
> required entry for Filiação for her mother and father.  I assume this means 
> affiliation but even then I have no idea what that means?
> 
Filiação= Parents.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with translation and identification

2009-04-11 Thread Marralha
In a message dated 4/10/2009 8:01:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
gfsche...@gmail.com writes: 
> Lexi/Marilyn,
> 
> That's what George said...the men's entrance was because of the liquor.  
> 
> You never know with pictures.  I had one that I took around for a few 
> years.  I was helping a man at my FHC in Los Angeles on his Portuguese lines. 
>  
> We never found a connection (yet).  He asked me to come over around 
> Christmas and meet his parents from RI.  I came with old photos.  His father 
> identified some of the people in the photo!
My guess is that like so many of these little village establishments, this 
was a combination general store/tavern "tasca" or "taberna". In those days 
women NEVER went inside a tasca. It was strictly a place for men. A woman 
might stand at the entrance and call to husband inside to come home (before he 
got too drunk!), but going inside was not OK if she valued her reputation. 
The idea of a woman standing at the bat downing cachaças with the best of 
them was a scandal. These general stores-taverns were generally 2 room affairs, 
one for the store and the other for the tavern. There was a connecting door 
so that the owner could go from one room to the other and tend to business 
single handed on both sides.

In case you find this arrangement strange, here in New England (Billy's 
Café on Bedford Street in Fall River comes to mind) always had a "Lady's 
Entrance" The front of the bar was exactly that: a bar with stools, some 
tables, a 
TV, a pool table, etc. It was just for the guys. The Lady's Entrance 
brought you to the back room, a "lounge" with booths. Billy's is still there, 
and 
still has the back entrance, now called a "Family Entrance" for those who 
are there for a meal in the lounge and not just a few frosties in the front. 
By the way, Billy's still serves the best chouriço plate this side of the 
Mississippi. A Happy Easter to all!

John

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Re: Re : [AZORES-Genealogy] - Azores Archives Online

2009-04-11 Thread SARMENTO Natalia
Hi Rosemarie,
Hope you are welll. I do not want to be abusing, but would appreciate your 
helping me in finding something, like passports, certificates… I did not 
succeed on my researches and still waiting an answer from the Arquivos in 
Azores, on my people below:
FRANCISCO DO CARVALHAL BORGES - Bapt.: 13.3.1679 in S. Mateus da Calheta, Angra 
JOAO DO CARVALHAL DA SILVEIRA BORGES - Died: Se de Angra on 16.2.1708 - Married 
on 25.1.1671 in Se de Angra do Heroismo with D. Maria de Noronha Corte-Real 
FRANCISCO DO CARVALHAL DA SILVEIRA BORGES – In 1641 and 1642 was in Angra at 
the service of El Rey D. João IV. Married with D. Maria da Câmara (from Ilha 
Terceira) on 17.08.1603 
ESTEVAO SILVEIRA BORGES -  Son of: João Dias Carvalhal (Açores) and Maria 
Borges Abarca (Se, Angra do Heroismo – 27.06.1790) - Was married to D. Barbara 
Machado Vieira 
FRANCISCO DIAS DO CARVALHAL married Catarina Alvares Neto in Terceira in 1533.
Thy all are connected to the North Portugal Mainland Area.
Thank you. Felizes Pascoas.
Natalia. 



 
 
 

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De: Rosemarie Capodicci 
Objet: Re: Re : [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives Online
À: Azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Samedi 11 Avril 2009, 1h29





Hi Listers
 
I have copies of Angra Passports Aug 1836 thru Dec 1839  only. 
 
Rosemarie 

- Original Message - 
From: Cheri Mello 
To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Re : [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives Online

Natalia,

The Center for Knowledge of the Azores (Centro de Conhecimento dos Acores) or 
CCA has SOME of them online here:
http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/ig/

Only the port of Ponta Delgada is online (1875-1939 with gaps).  The port of 
Angra used to be online when they had the old URL.  Rosemarie Capodicci copied 
them and will do a look up for you.  I don't know how many she copied or what 
years they cover (she may have said at one time).  She's on this list, but you 
can also email her direct at rcapodc at redshift dot com

The port of Horta has never been online.

The CCA site is a work in progress.  It will take quite awhile for them to get 
everything online.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, R. das Tainhas, Achada





  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vila Franca do Campo visit

2009-04-11 Thread Marcia

Thanks very much, Cheri.

On Apr 10, 6:46 am, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> Marcia,
>
> If this woman was born pre-1892, you would have to go to the archive in
> Ponta Delgada and search the baptisms for Vila Franca - Sao Miguel Arcanjo,
> requesting the years 1882-1892.  You will have to hunt for her looking at
> every baby born with her first name, checking to see if the parents are the
> right ones.  However, a few of the books do have an index in the back, so
> I'd look back there first to see if an index exists.  I'd continue back in
> time, collecting all the siblings until I go for a few years with no
> children.  If the records state that all the babies were legitimate, I'd go
> to the marriage book and start look for the parents marriage, beginning with
> the day before the first born's birth.  The marriages will be easier to
> search, as they will list the bride and groom in the margin or at the top
> (for that time period).   I think SMA was filmed to about 1883, so I'd trace
> the records back to at least then.  That way, when you get home, you can
> order the film and continue searching back in time.
>
> I'd go to the praca (town square) and find an old timer and ask him if he
> recognizes the photo.  He may have you ask someone else.  I've had people
> able to identify my relatives that way.  Also, at the festa there will be
> many people to ask too, so that would be a good idea.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, R. das Tainhas,
> Achada
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