RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial
Hi, I am related to the Furtados of Faial and the names on your list are mostly in my file. Emil Emil Silveira Currently Researching: Names and Places; Avila, Horta, Angustias, Faial Silveira, Horta, Sao Salvador, Faial Leal, Horta, Angustias, Faial Vargas, Horta, Almoxarife, Faial - Original Message - From: Jacki G. ja...@cdmmarketing.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:25:12 - (UTC) Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial I too have Furtado’s in my line from Faial. Although, mine are further back than the 1800’s. Attached, is some basic information. If anyone thinks they have connections to any of these people, please let me know. As far as I know, they are all from Cedros, Faial. Jacki Gentry Pittsburg, CA Surnames: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pereira, Pacheco, Machado, Furtado Islands: Cedros, Faial and Faja de Cima, Sao Miguel From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Eadie Kothlow Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:47 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial Frank or JoElayne I have Furtado in my family from Faial...and lots of information - from the sounds of your note, we are talking the same family my cousin, Mary - her mother was a Furtado, lives in California and has done a lot of research on this family Here is a sample of the info I have - 6 of the Furtado's listed in this attachment immigrated to America - either Rhode Island or California - Original Message - From:Frank or JoElayne JohnsonTo:azores@googlegroups.comSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:22 PMSubject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial There are quite a few of us from the west coast. Maybe we don't post as often??? In the Bay Area there is a bunch of us! Hopefully, you can connect with a cousin through this group. That has been one of the benefits of this group for me. The other is learning about the unique research skills and resources needed to research the Azores genealogy. So far all of my knowledge of our ancestors has come through cousins researching the same families. Don't forget to check all the neighbors in the census. The immigrants tended to migrate together and settle near each other. Good Luck! JoElayne Ferre' Johnson From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:17 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from FaialRepost for Judy G, gaarde at frontier.com I am searching Furtado and George line from Faial, Azores and am very new at this.Is there a active Portuguese club of some sort for the Northwest states as most all posting I read are coming from east coast area and I do not hear Ellis Island or Northwest mentioned much?? If not this is what I know about my grandparents and great grandparents. I believe his birth records there have been destroyed by fire as I read the church in Saoal burned to the ground???Grandfather: Antonio Rosa Furtado (possibly a Jr.?) born 1892 Island of Faial (maybe little town of Saoal), Azores I read the church ( in Saoal) that his records were in burnt down and they lost a lot of informtion. Immigration - 1910 via Ellis Island (Ellis Island has write up and picture on wall of him) to Turner, Calif. Died 1971 Santa Cruz, Ca. His father possibly named Antonio R Furtado also. His Mother is unknown to me. Antonio has a brother named Joseph (S or R?)Furtado who settled in San Francisco Bay area, California prior to Antonio's arrival. There may be a 2nd brother Manuel Furtado who came over later. Such a common name and nothing to connect it too. 1918 Antonio married Mary Elizabeth George - 1893 to 1986. Their children Dorothy Rose, Edward A, and Geraldine May (my mother) . My Grandmother Mary's parents are - Father - Antone F. George 1863 to 1949 , Immigrated in 1887 from Azores (island ?),. Mother is Mary J Martin 1872 to ? Maybe born here in Bay area.?.Married - 1893 in San Francisco area and settled in Half Moon Bay, California.- their children were: Mary Elizabeth, Joseph F, Rose , Minnia (Minnie), Antone Jr. and Clara. I show Antonio and Mary made a trip to Lisbon in 1952.Both Mary and Antonio are buried in Santa Cruz, California where he had retired. I have hit a wall.I am still searching for distant cousins possibly in bay area???Judy GMorganti, Furtado, George, Martin- Faial Azores-- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Another DNA sale (mostly for new orders) from Family Tree DNA (through Thursday, July 21, 11:59pm CDT)
Cheri, if one orders 37 Y DNA markers through a project, does one get the $20 project discount on top of the $119 sale price? - Original Message - From: Cheri Mello To: Azores Genealogy Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 7:46 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Another DNA sale (mostly for new orders) from Family Tree DNA (through Thursday, July 21, 11:59pm CDT) Whoops! Order here through the Azores DNA project: http://goo.gl/bnbq7 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial
Jacki, Judy, Frank JoElayne, Upon searching your list I find that the Manuel Furtado born 11/5/1697, married on 02/25/1715 and died on 10/29/1730 is my 7th great grandfather. I have many of the other names on my tree but don't have dates associated with them. Maybe we (and others who are related) could connect directly to share info and update the group. My email is dwood...@aol.com. I have been searching for my California relatives for awhile but can't seem to locate them as I'm not sure what town they settled in. They are Frank Furtado born about 1897, Manuel Furtado born about 1926 and Joseph Furtado born about 1897 in Cedros. They are the children of Francisco Furtado (1870) and Maria da Conceicao Rosario (1878). -Original Message- From: Jacki G. ja...@cdmmarketing.com To: azores azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:33 pm Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial Sorry, didn’t attach the file. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacki G. Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:25 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial I too have Furtado’s in my line from Faial. Although, mine are further back than the 1800’s. Attached, is some basic information. If anyone thinks they have connections to any of these people, please let me know. As far as I know, they are all from Cedros, Faial. Jacki Gentry Pittsburg, CA Surnames: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pereira, Pacheco, Machado, Furtado Islands: Cedros, Faial and Faja de Cima, Sao Miguel From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Eadie Kothlow Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:47 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial Frank or JoElayne I have Furtado in my family from Faial...and lots of information - from the sounds of your note, we are talking the same family my cousin, Mary - her mother was a Furtado, lives in California and has done a lot of research on this family Here is a sample of the info I have - 6 of the Furtado's listed in this attachment immigrated to America - either Rhode Island or California - Original Message - From: Frank or JoElayne Johnson To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial There are quite a few of us from the west coast. Maybe we don't post as often??? In the Bay Area there is a bunch of us! Hopefully, you can connect with a cousin through this group. That has been one of the benefits of this group for me. The other is learning about the unique research skills and resources needed to research the Azores genealogy. So far all of my knowledge of our ancestors has come through cousins researching the same families. Don't forget to check all the neighbors in the census. The immigrants tended to migrate together and settle near each other. Good Luck! JoElayne Ferre' Johnson From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:17 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial Repost for Judy G, gaarde at frontier.com I am searching Furtado and George line from Faial, Azores and am very new at this. Is there a active Portuguese club of some sort for the Northwest states as most all posting I read are coming from east coast area and I do not hear Ellis Island or Northwest mentioned much?? If not this is what I know about my grandparents and great grandparents. I believe his birth records there have been destroyed by fire as I read the church in Saoal burned to the ground??? Grandfather: Antonio Rosa Furtado (possibly a Jr.?) born 1892 Island of Faial (maybe little town of Saoal), Azores I read the church ( in Saoal) that his records were in burnt down and they lost a lot of informtion. Immigration - 1910 via Ellis Island (Ellis Island has write up and picture on wall of him) to Turner, Calif. Died 1971 Santa Cruz, Ca. His father possibly named Antonio R Furtado also. His Mother is unknown to me. Antonio has a brother named Joseph (S or R?)Furtado who settled in San Francisco Bay area, California prior to Antonio's arrival. There may be a 2nd brother Manuel Furtado who came over later. Such a common name and nothing to connect it too. 1918 Antonio married Mary Elizabeth George - 1893 to 1986. Their children Dorothy Rose, Edward A, and Geraldine May (my mother) . My Grandmother Mary's parents are - Father - Antone F. George 1863 to 1949 , Immigrated in 1887 from Azores (island ?),. Mother is Mary J Martin 1872 to ? Maybe born here in Bay area.?. Married - 1893 in San Francisco area and settled in Half Moon Bay, California.- their children were: Mary Elizabeth, Joseph F, Rose , Minnia (Minnie), Antone Jr. and Clara. I show
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Another DNA sale (mostly for new orders) from Family Tree DNA (through Thursday, July 21, 11:59pm CDT)
Dora, I've never heard of a $20 project discount. When FTDNA says the sales price is $119, it's $119 (+$4 shipping US or $6 shipping everywhere else in the world). Cheri On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Dora Smith villan...@gmail.com wrote: ** Cheri, if one orders 37 Y DNA markers through a project, does one get the $20 project discount on top of the $119 sale price? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial
Did any of these Furtados marry into the Dutra line? My uncle by marriage was Jose Furtado Dutra, born in Cedros in about 1899. In his line, he had cousins named Rose and Garcia. Mary Ann In a message dated 7/15/2011 6:33:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ja...@cdmmarketing.com writes: Sorry, didn’t attach the file. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacki G. Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:25 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial I too have Furtado’s in my line from Faial. Although, mine are further back than the 1800’s. Attached, is some basic information. If anyone thinks they have connections to any of these people, please let me know. As far as I know, they are all from Cedros, Faial. Jacki Gentry Pittsburg, CA Surnames: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pereira, Pacheco, Machado, Furtado Islands: Cedros, Faial and Faja de Cima, Sao Miguel From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Eadie Kothlow Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:47 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial Frank or JoElayne I have Furtado in my family from Faial...and lots of information - from the sounds of your note, we are talking the same family my cousin, Mary - her mother was a Furtado, lives in California and has done a lot of research on this family Here is a sample of the info I have - 6 of the Furtado's listed in this attachment immigrated to America - either Rhode Island or California - Original Message - From: _Frank or JoElayne Johnson_ (mailto:joelay...@yahoo.com) To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com) Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial There are quite a few of us from the west coast. Maybe we don't post as often??? In the Bay Area there is a bunch of us! Hopefully, you can connect with a cousin through this group. That has been one of the benefits of this group for me. The other is learning about the unique research skills and resources needed to research the Azores genealogy. So far all of my knowledge of our ancestors has come through cousins researching the same families. Don't forget to check all the neighbors in the census. The immigrants tended to migrate together and settle near each other. Good Luck! JoElayne Ferre' Johnson From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:17 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial Repost for Judy G, gaarde at _frontier.com_ (http://frontier.com/) I am searching Furtado and George line from Faial, Azores and am very new at this. Is there a active Portuguese club of some sort for the Northwest states as most all posting I read are coming from east coast area and I do not hear Ellis Island or Northwest mentioned much?? If not this is what I know about my grandparents and great grandparents. I believe his birth records there have been destroyed by fire as I read the church in Saoal burned to the ground??? Grandfather: Antonio Rosa Furtado (possibly a Jr.?) born 1892 Island of Faial (maybe little town of Saoal), Azores I read the church ( in Saoal) that his records were in burnt down and they lost a lot of informtion. Immigration - 1910 via Ellis Island (Ellis Island has write up and picture on wall of him) to Turner, Calif. Died 1971 Santa Cruz, Ca. His father possibly named Antonio R Furtado also. His Mother is unknown to me. Antonio has a brother named Joseph (S or R?)Furtado who settled in San Francisco Bay area, California prior to Antonio's arrival. There may be a 2nd brother Manuel Furtado who came over later. Such a common name and nothing to connect it too. 1918 Antonio married Mary Elizabeth George - 1893 to 1986. Their children Dorothy Rose, Edward A, and Geraldine May (my mother) . My Grandmother Mary's parents are - Father - Antone F. George 1863 to 1949 , Immigrated in 1887 from Azores (island ?),. Mother is Mary J Martin 1872 to ? Maybe born here in Bay area.?. Married - 1893 in San Francisco area and settled in Half Moon Bay, California.- their children were: Mary Elizabeth, Joseph F, Rose , Minnia (Minnie), Antone Jr. and Clara. I show Antonio and Mary made a trip to Lisbon in 1952. Both Mary and Antonio are buried in Santa Cruz, California where he had retired. I have hit a wall. I am still searching for distant cousins possibly in bay area??? Judy G Morganti, Furtado, George, Martin- Faial Azores -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to _Azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com_
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Another DNA sale (mostly for new orders) from Family Tree DNA (through Thursday, July 21, 11:59pm CDT)
In case anyone missed my post about Family Finder and how it works (and my analogy to spaghetti) here it is: About 10 years ago, the only DNA that could be used for genealogy was the Y-DNA or the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). A little over a year ago, autosomal DNA (Family Tree DNA calls it the Family Finder test) came into the picture. So now there are 3 types of DNA tests for genealogy. I'll try this analogy (hope it works). Your DNA is like a box of spaghetti. Have you ever opened a box of standard spaghetti to find a stray piece of the flatter noodle one (fettuccine or linguine)? Or maybe a random macaroni snuck in there. The box of spaghetti represents the 22 pairs of your autosomal DNA. There is only one other pair - the 23rd pair which are the sex chromosomes (where the Y makes a man a man). You can pretend that's the fettuccine or linguine that snuck into the box. And you can pretend that the macaroni is the mitochondrial DNA. You can look at that lost piece of fettuccine or linguine and know EXACTLY where it came from. It looks different than the regular spaghetti. That's like the Y-chromosome which men have. We know EXACTLY where a man got his Y from: his father, who got it from his father who got it from his father. It's the top of your pedigree chart. Since I'm not a man, I made my dad test his Y-chromosome. So I got George to Manuel to Jose to Vitorino to Antonio de Mello, etc. You get the picture. So when my dad gets a match, I'll know which line it is on. On the other hand, we can pretend that the piece of macaroni that found its way into the spaghetti box is the mtDNA. Both men and women inherit that and we know exactly how that's inherited: the mother's mother's mother's line or the bottom of the pedigree chart. The mtDNA is usually better used for anthropology type research more than genealogy, but we've had a couple of mtDNA matches in the Azores project. But the rest of that box is just spaghetti. They all look the same. Suppose you went to the store and bought your favorite brand, Rozoni (I have no idea how well known some of these brands are, so bear with me). As you start to cook for this dinner party, you realize you need more spaghetti. So you send your significant other to the store and the end result is Barilla brand. It's all spaghetti, so you throw it in the pot and cook it up. And none of your guests know that you used two boxes, each a different brand. Autosomal DNA (Family Finder) is spaghetti from Rozoni, Barilla, De Cecco, Prince, etc. Unless you are some kind of spaghetti connoisseur, you can't tell the difference. You inherit half of your DNA from your mom and half from your dad. Each one of your parents got half from their parents. But it's not labelled. And it actually recombines (Rozoni breaks off and fuses together with Barilla). OK, I know that spaghetti doesn't do that in real life, but hopefully, it will help you get the picture. So when my dad and Shirley Allegre matched with their Family Finder results (the spaghetti or autosomal DNA), we didn't know where. It's just a tangle of spaghetti. Since my dad and Shirley both have Antonio de Mello in their tree, we knew some of the matching was coming from there. Marge Perry also matches both my dad and Shirley. It was more distant and we don't know exactly how, but we have an idea it has something to do with Vila Franca. More research will tell. So, if you are an existing FTDNA customer, you can upgrade to more Y-DNA markers (the fettuccine or linguine) which is the father's father's father's line. You can also purchase the Family Finder (spaghetti) at the reduced rate (you'll match people, but it'll take some work with your tree to figure it out). The only 2 tests on sale for NEW customers would be the Y-12 marker with Family Finder (for men) or the mtDNA basic with Family Finder (for men or women). Or you can wait and see what they put on sale in December. If you are an existing customer, the announcement read that the sale ends at a certain time. I'd rather not wait until the very last minute to see if IT programmed the computers to stop the sale at the right time. So I state that the sale ends 1 minute earlier than it really does. It ends at 11:59pm CDT, today, June 21st. I would think that if IT has their act together that the sale won't go through if you wait until 12 midnight on June 22nd (only 1 minute later). Hope this clarifies a little bit! Cheri Mello Rick Pimentel Family DNA Co-Admins Azores DNA Project -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Another DNA sale (mostly for new orders) from Family Tree DNA (through Thursday, July 21, 11:59pm CDT)
So Cheri, If I'm female and I've never done this before, and I know that my mother's mother's mother and father both came from the Azores, I should order the mtDNA tp start with??? Diane On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: In case anyone missed my post about Family Finder and how it works (and my analogy to spaghetti) here it is: About 10 years ago, the only DNA that could be used for genealogy was the Y-DNA or the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). A little over a year ago, autosomal DNA (Family Tree DNA calls it the Family Finder test) came into the picture. So now there are 3 types of DNA tests for genealogy. I'll try this analogy (hope it works). Your DNA is like a box of spaghetti. Have you ever opened a box of standard spaghetti to find a stray piece of the flatter noodle one (fettuccine or linguine)? Or maybe a random macaroni snuck in there. The box of spaghetti represents the 22 pairs of your autosomal DNA. There is only one other pair - the 23rd pair which are the sex chromosomes (where the Y makes a man a man). You can pretend that's the fettuccine or linguine that snuck into the box. And you can pretend that the macaroni is the mitochondrial DNA. You can look at that lost piece of fettuccine or linguine and know EXACTLY where it came from. It looks different than the regular spaghetti. That's like the Y-chromosome which men have. We know EXACTLY where a man got his Y from: his father, who got it from his father who got it from his father. It's the top of your pedigree chart. Since I'm not a man, I made my dad test his Y-chromosome. So I got George to Manuel to Jose to Vitorino to Antonio de Mello, etc. You get the picture. So when my dad gets a match, I'll know which line it is on. On the other hand, we can pretend that the piece of macaroni that found its way into the spaghetti box is the mtDNA. Both men and women inherit that and we know exactly how that's inherited: the mother's mother's mother's line or the bottom of the pedigree chart. The mtDNA is usually better used for anthropology type research more than genealogy, but we've had a couple of mtDNA matches in the Azores project. But the rest of that box is just spaghetti. They all look the same. Suppose you went to the store and bought your favorite brand, Rozoni (I have no idea how well known some of these brands are, so bear with me). As you start to cook for this dinner party, you realize you need more spaghetti. So you send your significant other to the store and the end result is Barilla brand. It's all spaghetti, so you throw it in the pot and cook it up. And none of your guests know that you used two boxes, each a different brand. Autosomal DNA (Family Finder) is spaghetti from Rozoni, Barilla, De Cecco, Prince, etc. Unless you are some kind of spaghetti connoisseur, you can't tell the difference. You inherit half of your DNA from your mom and half from your dad. Each one of your parents got half from their parents. But it's not labelled. And it actually recombines (Rozoni breaks off and fuses together with Barilla). OK, I know that spaghetti doesn't do that in real life, but hopefully, it will help you get the picture. So when my dad and Shirley Allegre matched with their Family Finder results (the spaghetti or autosomal DNA), we didn't know where. It's just a tangle of spaghetti. Since my dad and Shirley both have Antonio de Mello in their tree, we knew some of the matching was coming from there. Marge Perry also matches both my dad and Shirley. It was more distant and we don't know exactly how, but we have an idea it has something to do with Vila Franca. More research will tell. So, if you are an existing FTDNA customer, you can upgrade to more Y-DNA markers (the fettuccine or linguine) which is the father's father's father's line. You can also purchase the Family Finder (spaghetti) at the reduced rate (you'll match people, but it'll take some work with your tree to figure it out). The only 2 tests on sale for NEW customers would be the Y-12 marker with Family Finder (for men) or the mtDNA basic with Family Finder (for men or women). Or you can wait and see what they put on sale in December. If you are an existing customer, the announcement read that the sale ends at a certain time. I'd rather not wait until the very last minute to see if IT programmed the computers to stop the sale at the right time. So I state that the sale ends 1 minute earlier than it really does. It ends at 11:59pm CDT, today, June 21st. I would think that if IT has their act together that the sale won't go through if you wait until 12 midnight on June 22nd (only 1 minute later). Hope this clarifies a little bit! Cheri Mello Rick Pimentel Family DNA Co-Admins Azores DNA Project -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Another DNA sale (mostly for new orders) from Family Tree DNA (through Thursday, July 21, 11:59pm CDT)
Diane, If your goal is to concentrate only on your mother's mother's mother's line, then yes, mtDNA will work perfectly for that. If you want to pick up your mother's mother's mother's father though, you'd need Family Finder. If your mom is alive though, you'd want her to take the test (you can get one generation more since she is a generation older). Cheri Mello Family Tree DNA volunteer admin Azores DNA project On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Diane Lavely allevacon...@gmail.comwrote: So Cheri, If I'm female and I've never done this before, and I know that my mother's mother's mother and father both came from the Azores, I should order the mtDNA tp start with??? Diane On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: In case anyone missed my post about Family Finder and how it works (and my analogy to spaghetti) here it is: About 10 years ago, the only DNA that could be used for genealogy was the Y-DNA or the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). A little over a year ago, autosomal DNA (Family Tree DNA calls it the Family Finder test) came into the picture. So now there are 3 types of DNA tests for genealogy. I'll try this analogy (hope it works). Your DNA is like a box of spaghetti. Have you ever opened a box of standard spaghetti to find a stray piece of the flatter noodle one (fettuccine or linguine)? Or maybe a random macaroni snuck in there. The box of spaghetti represents the 22 pairs of your autosomal DNA. There is only one other pair - the 23rd pair which are the sex chromosomes (where the Y makes a man a man). You can pretend that's the fettuccine or linguine that snuck into the box. And you can pretend that the macaroni is the mitochondrial DNA. You can look at that lost piece of fettuccine or linguine and know EXACTLY where it came from. It looks different than the regular spaghetti. That's like the Y-chromosome which men have. We know EXACTLY where a man got his Y from: his father, who got it from his father who got it from his father. It's the top of your pedigree chart. Since I'm not a man, I made my dad test his Y-chromosome. So I got George to Manuel to Jose to Vitorino to Antonio de Mello, etc. You get the picture. So when my dad gets a match, I'll know which line it is on. On the other hand, we can pretend that the piece of macaroni that found its way into the spaghetti box is the mtDNA. Both men and women inherit that and we know exactly how that's inherited: the mother's mother's mother's line or the bottom of the pedigree chart. The mtDNA is usually better used for anthropology type research more than genealogy, but we've had a couple of mtDNA matches in the Azores project. But the rest of that box is just spaghetti. They all look the same. Suppose you went to the store and bought your favorite brand, Rozoni (I have no idea how well known some of these brands are, so bear with me). As you start to cook for this dinner party, you realize you need more spaghetti. So you send your significant other to the store and the end result is Barilla brand. It's all spaghetti, so you throw it in the pot and cook it up. And none of your guests know that you used two boxes, each a different brand. Autosomal DNA (Family Finder) is spaghetti from Rozoni, Barilla, De Cecco, Prince, etc. Unless you are some kind of spaghetti connoisseur, you can't tell the difference. You inherit half of your DNA from your mom and half from your dad. Each one of your parents got half from their parents. But it's not labelled. And it actually recombines (Rozoni breaks off and fuses together with Barilla). OK, I know that spaghetti doesn't do that in real life, but hopefully, it will help you get the picture. So when my dad and Shirley Allegre matched with their Family Finder results (the spaghetti or autosomal DNA), we didn't know where. It's just a tangle of spaghetti. Since my dad and Shirley both have Antonio de Mello in their tree, we knew some of the matching was coming from there. Marge Perry also matches both my dad and Shirley. It was more distant and we don't know exactly how, but we have an idea it has something to do with Vila Franca. More research will tell. So, if you are an existing FTDNA customer, you can upgrade to more Y-DNA markers (the fettuccine or linguine) which is the father's father's father's line. You can also purchase the Family Finder (spaghetti) at the reduced rate (you'll match people, but it'll take some work with your tree to figure it out). The only 2 tests on sale for NEW customers would be the Y-12 marker with Family Finder (for men) or the mtDNA basic with Family Finder (for men or women). Or you can wait and see what they put on sale in December. If you are an existing customer, the announcement read that the sale ends at a certain time. I'd rather not wait until the very last minute to see if IT programmed the computers
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Another DNA sale (mostly for new orders) from Family Tree DNA (through Thursday, July 21, 11:59pm CDT)
That would be cool. My mother is in Portland, OR and has dementia. However, I think I might be able to swing that. Thanks. Diane On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Diane, If your goal is to concentrate only on your mother's mother's mother's line, then yes, mtDNA will work perfectly for that. If you want to pick up your mother's mother's mother's father though, you'd need Family Finder. If your mom is alive though, you'd want her to take the test (you can get one generation more since she is a generation older). Cheri Mello Family Tree DNA volunteer admin Azores DNA project On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Diane Lavely allevacon...@gmail.comwrote: So Cheri, If I'm female and I've never done this before, and I know that my mother's mother's mother and father both came from the Azores, I should order the mtDNA tp start with??? Diane On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.comwrote: In case anyone missed my post about Family Finder and how it works (and my analogy to spaghetti) here it is: About 10 years ago, the only DNA that could be used for genealogy was the Y-DNA or the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). A little over a year ago, autosomal DNA (Family Tree DNA calls it the Family Finder test) came into the picture. So now there are 3 types of DNA tests for genealogy. I'll try this analogy (hope it works). Your DNA is like a box of spaghetti. Have you ever opened a box of standard spaghetti to find a stray piece of the flatter noodle one (fettuccine or linguine)? Or maybe a random macaroni snuck in there. The box of spaghetti represents the 22 pairs of your autosomal DNA. There is only one other pair - the 23rd pair which are the sex chromosomes (where the Y makes a man a man). You can pretend that's the fettuccine or linguine that snuck into the box. And you can pretend that the macaroni is the mitochondrial DNA. You can look at that lost piece of fettuccine or linguine and know EXACTLY where it came from. It looks different than the regular spaghetti. That's like the Y-chromosome which men have. We know EXACTLY where a man got his Y from: his father, who got it from his father who got it from his father. It's the top of your pedigree chart. Since I'm not a man, I made my dad test his Y-chromosome. So I got George to Manuel to Jose to Vitorino to Antonio de Mello, etc. You get the picture. So when my dad gets a match, I'll know which line it is on. On the other hand, we can pretend that the piece of macaroni that found its way into the spaghetti box is the mtDNA. Both men and women inherit that and we know exactly how that's inherited: the mother's mother's mother's line or the bottom of the pedigree chart. The mtDNA is usually better used for anthropology type research more than genealogy, but we've had a couple of mtDNA matches in the Azores project. But the rest of that box is just spaghetti. They all look the same. Suppose you went to the store and bought your favorite brand, Rozoni (I have no idea how well known some of these brands are, so bear with me). As you start to cook for this dinner party, you realize you need more spaghetti. So you send your significant other to the store and the end result is Barilla brand. It's all spaghetti, so you throw it in the pot and cook it up. And none of your guests know that you used two boxes, each a different brand. Autosomal DNA (Family Finder) is spaghetti from Rozoni, Barilla, De Cecco, Prince, etc. Unless you are some kind of spaghetti connoisseur, you can't tell the difference. You inherit half of your DNA from your mom and half from your dad. Each one of your parents got half from their parents. But it's not labelled. And it actually recombines (Rozoni breaks off and fuses together with Barilla). OK, I know that spaghetti doesn't do that in real life, but hopefully, it will help you get the picture. So when my dad and Shirley Allegre matched with their Family Finder results (the spaghetti or autosomal DNA), we didn't know where. It's just a tangle of spaghetti. Since my dad and Shirley both have Antonio de Mello in their tree, we knew some of the matching was coming from there. Marge Perry also matches both my dad and Shirley. It was more distant and we don't know exactly how, but we have an idea it has something to do with Vila Franca. More research will tell. So, if you are an existing FTDNA customer, you can upgrade to more Y-DNA markers (the fettuccine or linguine) which is the father's father's father's line. You can also purchase the Family Finder (spaghetti) at the reduced rate (you'll match people, but it'll take some work with your tree to figure it out). The only 2 tests on sale for NEW customers would be the Y-12 marker with Family Finder (for men) or the mtDNA basic with Family Finder (for men or women). Or you can
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial
Yes, my grandfather was Manuel Furtado Dutra 12/25/1903, his father Francisco Furtado Dutra 4/21/1870, his father Antonio Furtado Dutra Valim 11/12/1836, his father Joao Furtado Dutra 02/16/1796, his father Antonio Furtado Dutra 1/3/1756, his father Joao Furtado Dutra (who married Catarina Maria Furtado born 2/4/1725) and his father was Joao Furtado also. I actually have Furtado relatives on both sides of my grandparents tree. There are also Rose and Garcia's in my tree. Donna Wood -Original Message- From: Cakemom102 cakemom...@aol.com To: azores azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:01 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial Did any of these Furtados marry into the Dutra line? My uncle by marriage was Jose Furtado Dutra, born in Cedros in about 1899. In his line, he had cousins named Rose and Garcia. Mary Ann In a message dated 7/15/2011 6:33:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ja...@cdmmarketing.com writes: Sorry, didn’t attach the file. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacki G. Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:25 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial I too have Furtado’s in my line from Faial. Although, mine are further back than the 1800’s. Attached, is some basic information. If anyone thinks they have connections to any of these people, please let me know. As far as I know, they are all from Cedros, Faial. Jacki Gentry Pittsburg, CA Surnames: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pereira, Pacheco, Machado, Furtado Islands: Cedros, Faial and Faja de Cima, Sao Miguel From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Eadie Kothlow Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:47 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial Frank or JoElayne I have Furtado in my family from Faial...and lots of information - from the sounds of your note, we are talking the same family my cousin, Mary - her mother was a Furtado, lives in California and has done a lot of research on this family Here is a sample of the info I have - 6 of the Furtado's listed in this attachment immigrated to America - either Rhode Island or California - Original Message - From: Frank or JoElayne Johnson To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial There are quite a few of us from the west coast. Maybe we don't post as often??? In the Bay Area there is a bunch of us! Hopefully, you can connect with a cousin through this group. That has been one of the benefits of this group for me. The other is learning about the unique research skills and resources needed to research the Azores genealogy. So far all of my knowledge of our ancestors has come through cousins researching the same families. Don't forget to check all the neighbors in the census. The immigrants tended to migrate together and settle near each other. Good Luck! JoElayne Ferre' Johnson From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:17 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial Repost for Judy G, gaarde at frontier.com I am searching Furtado and George line from Faial, Azores and am very new at this. Is there a active Portuguese club of some sort for the Northwest states as most all posting I read are coming from east coast area and I do not hear Ellis Island or Northwest mentioned much?? If not this is what I know about my grandparents and great grandparents. I believe his birth records there have been destroyed by fire as I read the church in Saoal burned to the ground??? Grandfather: Antonio Rosa Furtado (possibly a Jr.?) born 1892 Island of Faial (maybe little town of Saoal), Azores I read the church ( in Saoal) that his records were in burnt down and they lost a lot of informtion. Immigration - 1910 via Ellis Island (Ellis Island has write up and picture on wall of him) to Turner, Calif. Died 1971 Santa Cruz, Ca. His father possibly named Antonio R Furtado also. His Mother is unknown to me. Antonio has a brother named Joseph (S or R?)Furtado who settled in San Francisco Bay area, California prior to Antonio's arrival. There may be a 2nd brother Manuel Furtado who came over later. Such a common name and nothing to connect it too. 1918 Antonio married Mary Elizabeth George - 1893 to 1986. Their children Dorothy Rose, Edward A, and Geraldine May (my mother) . My Grandmother Mary's parents are - Father - Antone F. George 1863 to 1949 , Immigrated in 1887 from Azores (island ?),. Mother is Mary J Martin 1872 to ? Maybe born here in Bay area.?. Married - 1893 in San Francisco area and settled in Half Moon Bay, California.- their children were: Mary Elizabeth, Joseph F, Rose , Minnia
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] More Family Finder DNA results are in
Cheri Thank you, even though I haven't done this as yet...and not related that I know of to anyone but Patsy, I found your letter so fascinating. Thank you for sharing all the details. Ally Vieira Anselmo in Ribeira Seca, Sao Miguel Pinheiro, Nunes, Silveira in Praia do Almoxarife and Pedro Miguel, Faial Silveira, Rodrigues in Sao Jorge -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Cardoso from Pico to California
Greetings Group, I recently received an obituary for my great grandmother. I had no idea that she had 2 brothers who came from Candelaria, Pico to California. Wondering if anyone has a connection to a JOSE CARDOSO, born 1885 or to his brother ANTONIO CARDOSO, born 1888. They were born in Pico and I have no idea where in Ca. they ended up. They are the sons of Manuel Furtado Cardoso and may have used the Furtado name as well as Cardoso. Thanks, Nancy Jean Baptista -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
