Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions
HI! Last year when I visited St. Catherines Cemetery in Kealia, Kauai looking for family I took pics of the headstones there! When I read you were looking for someone from the Teixeira family I remembered I had about 6 pics of headstones for them! So if anyone is interested I can upload those pic for viewing! William Monk wm...@sbcglobal.net --- On Sun, 2/19/12, joao ventura hero...@yahoo.com wrote: From: joao ventura hero...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions To: azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, February 19, 2012, 2:25 PM Ary, No problem with that. His name is António Pereira Teixeira. João Ventura Terceira From: aryasan...@uol.com.br aryasan...@uol.com.br To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions Hi João Ventura, Thanks for your impressions on Norte Grande. Very interesting. I became very aroused by the last paragraqph of your message... Would you be kind enough to decline (to the List or to me only, exceptionally !...) who the grandfather was (his name)?.. I will leave this request up to your discretion and judgement... Regards, Ary Santos aryasan...@uol.com.br Sao Paulo, Brazil Em 19/02/2012 15:16, joao ventura hero...@yahoo.com escreveu: After finishing the genealogy of Norte Grande, there are some impressions of the village that I would like to share with the list. There are two independent communities: Norte Grande and Santo António. It is like two different villages, who share a common church. The richer people live in Norte Grande, while the poor live in Santo António. People from one place don't usually marry someone from the other. I also found a single mother refered to as: prostitute. The number of slaves is not significant, but there are two brothers, former slaves, that became free and one of them has descendants until today. There is an important remark on a single mother: the child was born in Calheta and the grandfather took the baby to be baptized in Norte Grande (middle of the 1600's) to avoid public shame, because he was related to the important families of Calheta. Again social status playing an important role in the community. João Ventura Terceira -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores website
I heard back from the CCA this morning. We’re transferring database the of the site http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca to a new website http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt You have to use this new address. In a few days (probably next Friday) all database will be complete. Sorry for the inconvenience. It seems that words, such as this Friday and next Friday can be misunderstood. So I don't know if they are aiming for what I happen to call this coming Friday (Feb. 24) or what I call the next Friday (March 2). Maybe what I call this coming Friday is the next Friday. The answer is 1 to 2 weeks. At least I got a timeline! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions
I've got to track the Pereira da Luz line until Manuel Pereira da Luz and Ana Pereira, parents of Manuel Pereira da Luz, born abt 1680 in Santo Amaro, who married first to Luzia Silveira, in Santo Amaro, and second to Maria de Avila, at Velas 16-sep-1736. There's extensive descendancy in Southern Brazil and Uruguay, keeping the surname Pereira da Luz until today. Joao De: joao ventura hero...@yahoo.com Para: azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com Enviadas: Domingo, 19 de Fevereiro de 2012 20:13 Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions The main reason for doing the genealogy of the whole village is trying to find leads on further research. Santo Amaro is a village where the marriage records don't go far back. Eventually in the applications to priesthood and dispensations some leads will be found. I have the same information for that couple. Actually it is noticeable the couples that emigrate to Brazil in the middle of the 1700's: there is no further information on the couple or their children. João Ventura Terceira From: Joao S. Lopes josim...@yahoo.com.br To: azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions I have ancestors in Norte Grande, but unfortunately I could'nt find many generations back in time. The family is PEREIRA DA LUZ, they came from Santo Amaro, where the records pre-1700 are lost. Another line was the couple Joao Machado de Souza and Ana de Sao Pedro, parents of Andre Jacinto (b. 30-11-1732), my ancestos, Lourenço Machado (7-oct-1737), Manuel (6-may-1741) and Manuel (19-aug-1845). Ana de Sao Pedro died in Brazil. Unfortunately, I could'nt pick more information because he has too common surnames, and she has a devotional name. Joao S.Lopes Rio de Janeiro De: joao ventura hero...@yahoo.com Para: azores genealogy list azores@googlegroups.com Enviadas: Domingo, 19 de Fevereiro de 2012 15:16 Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions After finishing the genealogy of Norte Grande, there are some impressions of the village that I would like to share with the list. There are two independent communities: Norte Grande and Santo António. It is like two different villages, who share a common church. The richer people live in Norte Grande, while the poor live in Santo António. People from one place don't usually marry someone from the other. I also found a single mother refered to as: prostitute. The number of slaves is not significant, but there are two brothers, former slaves, that became free and one of them has descendants until today. There is an important remark on a single mother: the child was born in Calheta and the grandfather took the baby to be baptized in Norte Grande (middle of the 1600's) to avoid public shame, because he was related to the important families of Calheta. Again social status playing an important role in the community. João Ventura Terceira -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Freitas Braz from Kauai, Hawaii, no time period
Repost for William Monk, w.monk1 at gmail.com I was looking for family! Island of Kauai, Hawaii! I wish to find family of my great grandfather by the name of John de Freitas Braz! The Braz was dropped for some reason in the next generation to just Freitas! Great grandmother was named Maria de Jesus I am told! Thanks for any help you can give! William Monk -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rio de Janeiro on São Miguel?
There was a family story that my g-grandfather was from a Rio de Janeiro, and it was written on my g-grandmother's prayer book, along with her birthplace (Ponta Garça - spelled Punta Gassa). It isn't recorded in any articles or official documents. We never knew whether it referred to a birth place or somewhere he had lived, but the Rio de Janeiro notation appeared to refer to him, not her. According to my research so far, both g-grandparents were born and baptized in Ponta Garça about 1855. They were married there in 1876 and had 4 children within the next 5 years. The couple's names are José de Medeiros Pingão and Maria Amelia da Conceição da Costa. They later dropped Pingão. I don't have a specific reference from Ancestry for the Boston arrival--sorry. I was wondering if anyone was familiar with a Rio de Janeiro on São Miguel, because it would solve part of the puzzle. Both g- grandparents immigrated to Hawaii in 1882 (then on to California about 1885). We have no evidence he or they ever went to Brazil, but are not sure where to look for it, except in passport records. I've found passport records and ship passenger lists showing their Hawaii journey, but nothing for Brazil. If there is no evidence there is or was a Rio de Janeiro on São Miguel island, this family story remains a mystery. Mary K On Feb 19, 7:57 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Mary K, When you say that Rio de Janeiro was listed as the birth place...where did you see this listed? In his obituary? On something else? Also when you said you saw it arriving in Boston, you saw that on Ancestry.com? Can you list the specific date on that so those with Ancestry can take a look? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores website
Rosemarie, Dream on E Great Cheri! At least we have an idea. Now do they mean ALL as in all the parishes of all islands -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rio de Janeiro on São Miguel?
Mary, When I saw Rio Janeira on my grandparent's US marriage record for my grandmother's place of birth I thought it might be Ribinheira(sp?) somewhere in the Azores and my English grandfather who married her might have misunderstood although he did speak Portuguese due to his travels. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rio de Janeiro on São Miguel?
E, Interesting thought! My US-based relatives may well have misinterpreted the name they heard from my g-grandparents. Isn't there is a Ribeirinha in Ribeira Grande? One baptism record I have mentions Ribeira Grande as the birthplace of a gg-grandfather. I haven't looked at those films at all, yet. Mary K. On Feb 20, 1:04 pm, bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Mary, When I saw Rio Janeira on my grandparent's US marriage record for my grandmother's place of birth I thought it might be Ribinheira(sp?) somewhere in the Azores and my English grandfather who married her might have misunderstood although he did speak Portuguese due to his travels. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rio de Janeiro on São Miguel?
Ponta Garca is located in Sao Miguel, in the Municipal Council of Vila Franca so Campo, the Church there is Nossa Senhora da Piedade. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of m_kent Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:10 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rio de Janeiro on São Miguel? There was a family story that my g-grandfather was from a Rio de Janeiro, and it was written on my g-grandmother's prayer book, along with her birthplace (Ponta Garça - spelled Punta Gassa). It isn't recorded in any articles or official documents. We never knew whether it referred to a birth place or somewhere he had lived, but the Rio de Janeiro notation appeared to refer to him, not her. According to my research so far, both g-grandparents were born and baptized in Ponta Garça about 1855. They were married there in 1876 and had 4 children within the next 5 years. The couple's names are José de Medeiros Pingão and Maria Amelia da Conceição da Costa. They later dropped Pingão. I don't have a specific reference from Ancestry for the Boston arrival--sorry. I was wondering if anyone was familiar with a Rio de Janeiro on São Miguel, because it would solve part of the puzzle. Both g- grandparents immigrated to Hawaii in 1882 (then on to California about 1885). We have no evidence he or they ever went to Brazil, but are not sure where to look for it, except in passport records. I've found passport records and ship passenger lists showing their Hawaii journey, but nothing for Brazil. If there is no evidence there is or was a Rio de Janeiro on São Miguel island, this family story remains a mystery. Mary K On Feb 19, 7:57 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Mary K, When you say that Rio de Janeiro was listed as the birth place...where did you see this listed? In his obituary? On something else? Also when you said you saw it arriving in Boston, you saw that on Ancestry.com? Can you list the specific date on that so those with Ancestry can take a look? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rio de Janeiro on São Miguel?
I have been searching São Miguel and went to school there and while in school we learn about all of Portugal the only Rio de Janeiro city I haerd of was Rio de Janeiro in Brazil. 2012/2/20 m_kent m_k...@comcast.net: E, Interesting thought! My US-based relatives may well have misinterpreted the name they heard from my g-grandparents. Isn't there is a Ribeirinha in Ribeira Grande? One baptism record I have mentions Ribeira Grande as the birthplace of a gg-grandfather. I haven't looked at those films at all, yet. Mary K. On Feb 20, 1:04 pm, bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Mary, When I saw Rio Janeira on my grandparent's US marriage record for my grandmother's place of birth I thought it might be Ribinheira(sp?) somewhere in the Azores and my English grandfather who married her might have misunderstood although he did speak Portuguese due to his travels. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- http://www.geocities.com/bretanha1954/ -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Norte Grande - impressions
On Feb 19, 9:16 am, joao ventura hero...@yahoo.com wrote: I also found a single mother refered to as: prostitute. João, this is an interesting topic. Do you have a qualitative (or even quantitative) feel for how many illegitimate children were born in Norte Grande compared to the number of legitimates? I am asking, because I seem to run into a lot of supposedly single mothers in the lines I am studying (I have none in Norte Grande). It seems very common. Maybe it is just my family... ; Duane -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores website
Something tells me that ALL is not all 9 islands. For some reason, I don't think Sao Miguel was scanned. At least not by the CCA. Don't know why I have that thought in my head. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rio de Janeiro on São Miguel?
Mary K, My guess is that the male ancestor did not come from Rio de Janeiro. There isn't one on Sao Miguel island. Since Ponta Garca has a phoentic spelling to it on your source, someone took a guess at Rio de Janeiro and since that is a famous city, that is what they thought they heard. I can't remember how many Ribeirnhas there are in the all the Azores. 4 or 5. If I had to take a real wild guess, I would think that Rio de Janeiro might be Ribeira das Tainhas, next door. Not that the words sound alike. It's just that Ribeira das Tainhas is a long name. And it sort makes sense with what Shirley Allegre found. One migration states him from Ponta Garca (east of Ribeira das Tainhas) and the other states Sao Miguel, Vila Franca meaning the Sao Miguel Arcanjo church in Vila Franca (west of Ponta Garca). Ribeira das Tainhas wasn't an official freguesia until something like 1980. Although some people migrating from Tainhas did state Tainhas, some stated Sao Miguel (Arcanjo) in Vila Franca. I've seen it both ways. The reason I know this is because those are my villages too. Get your ancestors' marriage from Ponta Garca in 1855 from the film. See what they say about where they lived and where they were baptized. That will help clear up your mystery. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions
On Feb 19, 2012, at 9:16 AM, joao ventura wrote: The number of slaves is not significant, but there are two brothers, former slaves, that became free and one of them has descendants until today. If any of those on the list who know about DNA are reading this-- Would this show up in the Y DNA test of his descendants? I have only been able to trace my maternal mtDNA in Norte Grande but I was curious if it would show up for those who were able to test the male line. There are two independent communities: Norte Grande and Santo António. It is like two different villages, who share a common church. The richer people live in Norte Grande, while the poor live in Santo António. People from one place don't usually marry someone from the other. That was certainly true of my family. I had come to that conclusion, so it's interesting that it's really true. I know some people who came from Santo Antonio and was joking with them that we might be cousins. But probably not... Mary -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
