[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Y-DNA roll call
My haplogroup is R1b1b2, which is also M269. My paternal grandfather was born in Flamengos, Faial on September 17, 1888. His father was Antonio Silveira Leal, born June 19, 1825. His father was also Silveira Leal, though I don't have his first name or life dates. I was able to get these names from my grandfather's baptism registration, which lists his parents' names and their parents' names. Tomas Leal -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Y-DNA roll call
Hi Tomas,Leal (and Silveira) are so common on Pico, I wonder whether you line goes back from Faial to Pico...Thanks,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Y-DNA roll call From: Tomas Leal tomasl...@comcast.net Date: Fri, January 04, 2013 1:39 am To: azores@googlegroups.com My haplogroup is R1b1b2, which is also M269.My paternal grandfather was born in Flamengos, Faial on September 17, 1888.His father was Antonio Silveira Leal, born June 19, 1825. His father was also Silveira Leal, though I don't have his first name or life dates. I was able to get these names from my grandfather's baptism registration, which lists his parents' names and their parents' names.Tomas Leal -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call
Hi Karen,I don't know if it's the same Pereira Gil family, but the one I know goes back to Urzelina, Sao Jorge in the early 1700s on the direct paternal line.I'll have to check your other branches, because I have little doubt we are somehow distantly related.Interesting coincidence that we both have GIL as the oldest surname in the paternal line.Maybe those Urzelina ancestors, if they are yours, were originally from Terceira.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call From: Karen Huffman khuffl...@charter.net Date: Fri, January 04, 2013 12:19 am To: Azores Google Group azores@googlegroups.com Doug, I had my Dad send his DNA in to Family Tree DNA last year. I haven't worked with it much yet. His name is Everett Medeiros and His Group is R1b1a2 and Shorthand is R-M269. My dad's father (Evaristo Rodrigues Roque Medeiros) was born in Sao Pedro, Sao Miguel. My dad's mother (Maria da Conciecao dos Santos) was born in Sao Mateus, Terceira.With my grandfather I have Roque Rodrigues, Jose de Medeiros Cabral, Francisco Jose de Andrade are his great grandfathers. I do not have dates for them yet. With my grandmother I have Manuel Joaquim Correia da Silva, Manuel Machado, Joaquim da Costa, and Jose Pereira Gil as her great grandfathers and no dates for them yet. Anything familiar to anyone?Karen Medeiros-HuffmanOn Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:17 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: How about this idea?Let's do a Y-DNA roll call and anyone who has a direct paternal ancestral line that has at least one of the ancestors born in the Azores. So if you or someone you are related to got the Y-DNA test done through any company, like Ancestry.com, FTDNA, 23andMe, etc, and are willing to share the results on this list, just chime in. Due to privacy issues, only the administrators can see everyone's direct paternal Y-DNA test results. But maybe others, like myself would be interested to get a better picture of the current results. I'll start by repeating some of what I have quoted below about my Terceira ancestry.My direct paternal line goes back to an ancestor named MIGUEL GIL who was born about 1560, probably in Sao Bartolomeu, Terceira. He might be the son of Bras Gil, born about 1542, according to my current estimate.My Haplogroup is R1b1a2 (Shorthand: R-M269). Anyone else willing to add to this?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: p...@dholmes.com Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 10:30 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Are there any Y-DNA matches between people with Azores ancestry yet?About the SNPs, I see "private" ones are uncommon: Some Y-DNA subbranch markers, SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms), are restricted to a single family that is related in genealogical times (1 to 15 generations). These are family SNPs or private SNPs. Other SNPs are slightly older. They represent paternal lineage groups that predate the adoption of a family surname. These are semi-private SNPs. Both private and semi-private SNPs are uncommon. But I suppose a match certainly doesn't have to be from a private SNP.I'm still trying to get a handle on this...Are there any others who have this: R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269Nancy Jean already told me E1b1b2a is for Morocco and Berbers I don't know the shorthand way to call it. My R-M269 is apparently for most of Western Europe.Looking at the graph that lists types A through S, it seems that the closer you get to A, that's the mythical Adam or ground zero, so the E for Berbers are more genetically close to Adam than are letters R, S and T. ( just noticed that T comes before S for some reason - a genetic anomaly? :-)And so my R seems to be one of the most distant or changed/altered DNA from the original Adam. Does it seem I have that straight?Thanks,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: p...@dholmes.com Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 9:48 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Maybe before you take any time to answer me, I found this faqs page and am learning some basics:http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=26#314 Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: p...@dholmes.com Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 9:40 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Rick,OK, I didn't know what I was looking for and just happened upon the "badge" and that lead me to the answer. They say:Your predicted Haplogroup: R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269There are options to order SNPs for $29 each. I wonder what that's about. I'm sure it's a complicated answer, but if you know a way to simplify it, I bet there are others on this list would also
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Y-DNA roll call
My confirmed Haplogroup: *R1b1a2a1a1b3 (*Shorthand: *R-U152)* My male line is from from Ponta Garça, S. Miguel, around 1650: João Mendes m. to Catarina Fernandes (Froes). Possibly from Vila Franca do Campo, S. Miguel: Francisco Mendes de Revoredo, around 1580. Manoel Cesar Furtado *Ahnentafel Chart for Vicente Furtado* * * * * *First Generation* * * 1.* Vicente Furtado * was born on 20 Nov 1746 in Vila Franca-SMA. Vicente married *Ana Furtado * daughter of João Furtado and Josefa da Costa on 20 Aug 1781 in Vila Franca-SMA. Ana was born on 23 Jul 1756 in São Roque. * * *Second Generation* * * 2.* Mateus de Sousa * was born on 22 Sep 1704 in Vila Franca-SMA. He married Maria Furtado on 17 Jun 1731 in Vila Franca-SMA. 3.* Maria Furtado * was born about 1704 in Ponta Garça. * * *Third Generation* * * 4.* Gonçalo de Matos * was born in Ponta Garça. He married Luzia de Sousa 17/02/1694 in Vila Franca-SMA. 5.* Luzia de Sousa * was born in Vila Franca-SMA. *Fourth Generation* * * 8.* João Mendes * was born in Ponta Garça (morador). He married Catarina Fernandes. 9.* Catarina Fernandes [Froes]* was born in Ponta Garça (moradora). Em sexta-feira, 4 de janeiro de 2013 04h17min24s UTC-2, Doug Holmes escreveu: How about this idea? Let's do a Y-DNA roll call and anyone who has a direct paternal ancestral line that has at least one of the ancestors born in the Azores. So if you or someone you are related to got the Y-DNA test done through any company, like Ancestry.com, FTDNA, 23andMe, etc, and are willing to share the results on this list, just chime in. Due to privacy issues, only the administrators can see everyone's direct paternal Y-DNA test results. But maybe others, like myself would be interested to get a better picture of the current results. I'll start by repeating some of what I have quoted below about my Terceira ancestry. My direct paternal line goes back to an ancestor named MIGUEL GIL who was born about 1560, probably in Sao Bartolomeu, Terceira. He might be the son of Bras Gil, born about 1542, according to my current estimate. My Haplogroup is *R1b1a2* (Shorthand: *R-M269*). Anyone else willing to add to this? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: pi...@dholmes.com javascript: Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 10:30 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Are there any Y-DNA matches between people with Azores ancestry yet? About the SNPs, I see private ones are uncommon: Some Y-DNA subbranch markers, SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms)http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=21#782, are restricted to a single family that is related in genealogical times (1 to 15 generations). These are family SNPs or private SNPs. Other SNPs are slightly older. They represent paternal lineage groups that predate the adoption of a family surname. These are semi-private SNPs. Both private and semi-private SNPs are uncommon. But I suppose a match certainly doesn't have to be from a private SNP. I'm still trying to get a handle on this... Are there any others who have this: *R1b1a2*Shorthand: *R-M269* Nancy Jean already told me E1b1b2a is for Morocco and Berbers I don't know the shorthand way to call it. My R-M269 is apparently for most of Western Europe. Looking at the graph that lists types A through S, it seems that the closer you get to A, that's the mythical Adam or ground zero, so the E for Berbers are more genetically close to Adam than are letters R, S and T. ( just noticed that T comes before S for some reason - a genetic anomaly? :-) And so my R seems to be one of the most distant or changed/altered DNA from the original Adam. Does it seem I have that straight? Thanks, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call
Doug, My own Y-DNA results ... from FT-DNA Earliest known direct male ancestor born Azores: Manuel Rosa born 1873 Ribeirinha, Faial. Testing history: DNA plus in 2006 Y-refine 37 to 67 in 2007 DeepSNP-R1b late 2007 Y-DNA haplogroup results: R SRY2627+ and L176.2 (also known as M167) L176.2 is a mutation discovered in FTDNA's own research lab. R1b1a2a1a1b5a in the tree used by Family Tree DNA R1b1b2a1a2c1 in the ISOGG 2011 tree I have one match at the 25 marker level but the other participant is private I have zero matches at higher levels. I have also had MtDNA and Family Finder tests done. The FF led to a breakthrough in a 20+ year brick-wall. Al Rose In a message dated 1/4/2013 1:17:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, p...@dholmes.com writes: How about this idea? Let's do a Y-DNA roll call and anyone who has a direct paternal ancestral line that has at least one of the ancestors born in the Azores. So if you or someone you are related to got the Y-DNA test done through any company, like _Ancestry.com_ (http://ancestry.com/) , FTDNA, 23andMe, etc, and are willing to share the results on this list, just chime in. Due to privacy issues, only the administrators can see everyone's direct paternal Y-DNA test results. But maybe others, like myself would be interested to get a better picture of the current results. I'll start by repeating some of what I have quoted below about my Terceira ancestry. My direct paternal line goes back to an ancestor named MIGUEL GIL who was born about 1560, probably in Sao Bartolomeu, Terceira. He might be the son of Bras Gil, born about 1542, according to my current estimate. My Haplogroup is R1b1a2 (Shorthand: R-M269). Anyone else willing to add to this? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: _pico@dholmes.com_ (mailto:p...@dholmes.com) Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 10:30 pm To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com) Are there any Y-DNA matches between people with Azores ancestry yet? About the SNPs, I see private ones are uncommon: Some Y-DNA subbranch markers, _SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms)_ (http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=21#782) , are restricted to a single family that is related in genealogical times (1 to 15 generations). These are family SNPs or private SNPs. Other SNPs are slightly older. They represent paternal lineage groups that predate the adoption of a family surname. These are semi-private SNPs. Both private and semi-private SNPs are uncommon. But I suppose a match certainly doesn't have to be from a private SNP. I'm still trying to get a handle on this... Are there any others who have this: R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269 Nancy Jean already told me E1b1b2a is for Morocco and Berbers I don't know the shorthand way to call it. My R-M269 is apparently for most of Western Europe. Looking at the graph that lists types A through S, it seems that the closer you get to A, that's the mythical Adam or ground zero, so the E for Berbers are more genetically close to Adam than are letters R, S and T. ( just noticed that T comes before S for some reason - a genetic anomaly? :-) And so my R seems to be one of the most distant or changed/altered DNA from the original Adam. Does it seem I have that straight? Thanks, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: _pico@dholmes.com_ (mailto:p...@dholmes.com) Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 9:48 pm To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com) Maybe before you take any time to answer me, I found this faqs page and am learning some basics: _http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=26#314_ (http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=26#314) Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: _pico@dholmes.com_ (mailto:p...@dholmes.com) Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 9:40 pm To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com) Hi Rick, OK, I didn't know what I was looking for and just happened upon the badge and that lead me to the answer. They say: Your predicted Haplogroup: R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269 There are options to order SNPs for $29 each. I wonder what that's about. I'm sure it's a complicated answer, but if you know a way to simplify it, I bet there are others on this list would also like to know. Thanks, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call
Distant male ancestor from Furnas, Sao Miguel, Joao da Costa Pevide (born/baptised 1851). Y-Haplogroup: J2 (M172+, L1064+) -Trevor Costa (DC Metro area) -Original Message- From: pico p...@dholmes.com To: azores azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:17 am Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call How about this idea? Let's do a Y-DNA roll call and anyone who has a direct paternal ancestral line that has at least one of the ancestors born in the Azores. So if you or someone you are related to got the Y-DNA test done through any company, like Ancestry.com, FTDNA, 23andMe, etc, and are willing to share the results on this list, just chime in. Due to privacy issues, only the administrators can see everyone's direct paternal Y-DNA test results. But maybe others, like myself would be interested to get a better picture of the current results. I'll start by repeating some of what I have quoted below about my Terceira ancestry. My direct paternal line goes back to an ancestor named MIGUEL GIL who was born about 1560, probably in Sao Bartolomeu, Terceira. He might be the son of Bras Gil, born about 1542, according to my current estimate. My Haplogroup is R1b1a2 (Shorthand: R-M269). Anyone else willing to add to this? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: p...@dholmes.com Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 10:30 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Are there any Y-DNA matches between people with Azores ancestry yet? About the SNPs, I see private ones are uncommon: Some Y-DNA subbranch markers, SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms), are restricted to a single family that is related in genealogical times (1 to 15 generations). These are family SNPs or private SNPs. Other SNPs are slightly older. They represent paternal lineage groups that predate the adoption of a family surname. These are semi-private SNPs. Both private and semi-private SNPs are uncommon. But I suppose a match certainly doesn't have to be from a private SNP. I'm still trying to get a handle on this... Are there any others who have this: R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269 Nancy Jean already told me E1b1b2a is for Morocco and Berbers I don't know the shorthand way to call it. My R-M269 is apparently for most of Western Europe. Looking at the graph that lists types A through S, it seems that the closer you get to A, that's the mythical Adam or ground zero, so the E for Berbers are more genetically close to Adam than are letters R, S and T. ( just noticed that T comes before S for some reason - a genetic anomaly? :-) And so my R seems to be one of the most distant or changed/altered DNA from the original Adam. Does it seem I have that straight? Thanks, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: p...@dholmes.com Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 9:48 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Maybe before you take any time to answer me, I found this faqs page and am learning some basics: http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=26#314 Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: p...@dholmes.com Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 9:40 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Rick, OK, I didn't know what I was looking for and just happened upon the badge and that lead me to the answer. They say: Your predicted Haplogroup: R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269 There are options to order SNPs for $29 each. I wonder what that's about. I'm sure it's a complicated answer, but if you know a way to simplify it, I bet there are others on this list would also like to know. Thanks, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 8:59 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com, Nancy Jean Baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com Hi Doug, Did you log on to your page (Your dads)? On the left side you can change the page back to the old format. Rick Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator Azores DNA Project Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators Cherri Mello – gfsche...@gmail.com Rick Pimentel – rickredle...@gmail.com Nancy Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.com From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of p...@dholmes.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:31 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira Cheri, Rick or Pam, Where do I find the full
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Multiple people with same names
Actually, I found this practice in almost every village I have researched, particularly as one approaches the 1900's. One tends to see this more after 1850's. And if you are related to both sides with the same names, my advice is extract them all and pay close attention to their ages and the godparents names. This is how I had to unravel the Costa Carneiros of Ponta Garca and Ribeira Quente. They all appeared to be related, but in fact are two separate lines. JR On Friday, January 4, 2013 1:38:23 AM UTC-5, Dano wrote: Pam and Cheri, Normally the reason to add a name was to distinguish oneself from the many others that may be living in the same area. However, our ancestors were also kind of mercenary, and, often they added certain surnames in order to enhance their ability to acquire, or inherit, property, wealth, or title. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DaSilva family from Faial da Terra, Azores
I don't know if you should attempt this. You will find Silva's in virtually every village in Sao Miguel and quite possibly, in every Island in the Azores and even Madeira island. Even if you find a match, and you will likely find many, there is no way of determining if they are your ancestors. You have to at least pinpoint the village. If you had a more uncommon name, that would be different. Quite frankly, I am very sceptical of stories of people shipwrecking. Such disasters are usually chronicled somewhere. He may have jumped ship and stayed in the US, but eventually one has fit in and make a living. There are a lot people on this list who can help with US research, maybe try a question on them about something you know. Good luck! JR On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 5:52:45 PM UTC-5, R Mac wrote: Excellent. Thank you very much for the information! On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:25:49 AM UTC-5, Dano wrote: Parish records recorded Baptisms, Marriages, and deaths. The parish for Faial da Terra is Nossa Senhora da Graca, and their records data to 1690, or thereabouts. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DaSilva family from Faial da Terra, Azores
Robert, You state that your ancestor was most likely born in Sao Miguel, but you want to research the records of Faial. That's the same as if a friend told you he wanted to get into genealogy and his ancestor was most likely born in NY but he wanted to search the records of Arizona. Does not make sense. You are in a tough time period for immigration as an abundance of paper was not generated at this time. You will have to find every scrap of paper your ancestor was mentioned on to figure this out. A death certificate (if one exists), obit, marriage, U.S. censuses, naturalization (if he naturalized), etc. A how-to guide can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: http://goo.gl/uHRmY Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup
Just thought I would mention this, since there's a thread about y-DNA. My maternal line contains my Azorean ancestry through my Azorean great grandmother. My first mtDNA test showed haplogroup H. Later there was a number attached to that, and now it has evolved to this mouthful: H-G16129A! (and the exclamation point is not mine, it's part of the designation). It's interesting to see it being refined all the time. Mary -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] 4th generation
Manoel: I have Joao Mendes born 7 Jan 1637 in Agua de Alto, Sao Miguel, Azores. BAPTISED 11 Jan 1637, SP-Villa Franca do Campo, Sao Miguel, Azores. DIED pre 17 Feb 1694, in Ponta Garca Do you know who were the parents of CATARINA FERNANDES??? I have that she died pre 17 Feb 1694 - PG? 17 Feb 1694, is the date that their son Gonsalo de Mattos married Lusia de Sousa. I have the Mendes Revoredo line back to about 1580 in SM-VFDC. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: mances To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 3:55 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Y-DNA roll call My male line is from from Ponta Garça, S. Miguel, around 1650: João Mendes m. to Catarina Fernandes (Froes). Possibly from Vila Franca do Campo, S. Miguel: Francisco Mendes de Revoredo, around 1580. Manoel Cesar Furtado Ahnentafel Chart for Vicente Furtado First Generation 1. Vicente Furtado was born on 20 Nov 1746 in Vila Franca-SMA. Vicente married Ana Furtado daughter of João Furtado and Josefa da Costa on 20 Aug 1781 in Vila Franca-SMA. Ana was born on 23 Jul 1756 in São Roque. Second Generation 2. Mateus de Sousa was born on 22 Sep 1704 in Vila Franca-SMA. He married Maria Furtado on 17 Jun 1731 in Vila Franca-SMA. 3. Maria Furtado was born about 1704 in Ponta Garça. Third Generation 4. Gonçalo de Matos was born in Ponta Garça. He married Luzia de Sousa 17/02/1694 in Vila Franca-SMA. 5. Luzia de Sousa was born in Vila Franca-SMA. Fourth Generation 8. João Mendes was born in Ponta Garça (morador). He married Catarina Fernandes. 9. Catarina Fernandes [Froes] was born in Ponta Garça (moradora). Em sexta-feira, 4 de janeiro de 2013 04h17min24s UTC-2, Doug Holmes escreveu: How about this idea? Let's do a Y-DNA roll call and anyone who has a direct paternal ancestral line that has at least one of the ancestors born in the Azores. So if you or someone you are related to got the Y-DNA test done through any company, like Ancestry.com, FTDNA, 23andMe, etc, and are willing to share the results on this list, just chime in. Due to privacy issues, only the administrators can see everyone's direct paternal Y-DNA test results. But maybe others, like myself would be interested to get a better picture of the current results. I'll start by repeating some of what I have quoted below about my Terceira ancestry. My direct paternal line goes back to an ancestor named MIGUEL GIL who was born about 1560, probably in Sao Bartolomeu, Terceira. He might be the son of Bras Gil, born about 1542, according to my current estimate. My Haplogroup is R1b1a2 (Shorthand: R-M269). Anyone else willing to add to this? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: pi...@dholmes.com Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 10:30 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com Are there any Y-DNA matches between people with Azores ancestry yet? About the SNPs, I see private ones are uncommon: Some Y-DNA subbranch markers, SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms), are restricted to a single family that is related in genealogical times (1 to 15 generations). These are family SNPs or private SNPs. Other SNPs are slightly older. They represent paternal lineage groups that predate the adoption of a family surname. These are semi-private SNPs. Both private and semi-private SNPs are uncommon. But I suppose a match certainly doesn't have to be from a private SNP. I'm still trying to get a handle on this... Are there any others who have this: R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269 Nancy Jean already told me E1b1b2a is for Morocco and Berbers I don't know the shorthand way to call it. My R-M269 is apparently for most of Western Europe. Looking at the graph that lists types A through S, it seems that the closer you get to A, that's the mythical Adam or ground zero, so the E for Berbers are more genetically close to Adam than are letters R, S and T. ( just noticed that T comes before S for some reason - a genetic anomaly? :-) And so my R seems to be one of the most distant or changed/altered DNA from the original Adam. Does it seem I have that straight? Thanks, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Multiple people with same names
Yes there are 3 or 4 different lines of Medeiros in that area so it was a bit confusing. Jackies line always had Fernandes Medeiros. On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:22 AM, JR jro...@rogers.com wrote: Actually, I found this practice in almost every village I have researched, particularly as one approaches the 1900's. One tends to see this more after 1850's. And if you are related to both sides with the same names, my advice is extract them all and pay close attention to their ages and the godparents names. This is how I had to unravel the Costa Carneiros of Ponta Garca and Ribeira Quente. They all appeared to be related, but in fact are two separate lines. JR On Friday, January 4, 2013 1:38:23 AM UTC-5, Dano wrote: Pam and Cheri, Normally the reason to add a name was to distinguish oneself from the many others that may be living in the same area. However, our ancestors were also kind of mercenary, and, often they added certain surnames in order to enhance their ability to acquire, or inherit, property, wealth, or title. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call
I had my nephew tested and his Haplogroup is J2, and J-M172 (Shorthand). The most distant paternal ancestor is Joao Inacio da Silva. The baptismal certificate for his son, Jose Ignacio Silva, shows that Joao was from Horta Matriz, Faial, with unknown parents, but we have no other information about him. His wife was Clara Florinda, daughter of Francisco Ignacio da Costa and Maria Clara, from Flamengos, Faial. My nephew has an exact match with someone whose ancestors are probably from Pico, but so far there is not much information about the paternal line in that family either, except that the father of the 90+ year old person he matches was from the Azores. Diane Silva George From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of p...@dholmes.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:17 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com; azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call How about this idea? Let's do a Y-DNA roll call and anyone who has a direct paternal ancestral line that has at least one of the ancestors born in the Azores. So if you or someone you are related to got the Y-DNA test done through any company, like http://Ancestry.com Ancestry.com, FTDNA, 23andMe, etc, and are willing to share the results on this list, just chime in. Due to privacy issues, only the administrators can see everyone's direct paternal Y-DNA test results. But maybe others, like myself would be interested to get a better picture of the current results. I'll start by repeating some of what I have quoted below about my Terceira ancestry. My direct paternal line goes back to an ancestor named MIGUEL GIL who was born about 1560, probably in Sao Bartolomeu, Terceira. He might be the son of Bras Gil, born about 1542, according to my current estimate. My Haplogroup is R1b1a2 (Shorthand: R-M269). Anyone else willing to add to this? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: mailto:p...@dholmes.com p...@dholmes.com Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 10:30 pm To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com Are there any Y-DNA matches between people with Azores ancestry yet? About the SNPs, I see private ones are uncommon: Some Y-DNA subbranch markers, http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=21#782 SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms), are restricted to a single family that is related in genealogical times (1 to 15 generations). These are family SNPs or private SNPs. Other SNPs are slightly older. They represent paternal lineage groups that predate the adoption of a family surname. These are semi-private SNPs. Both private and semi-private SNPs are uncommon. But I suppose a match certainly doesn't have to be from a private SNP. I'm still trying to get a handle on this... Are there any others who have this: R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269 Nancy Jean already told me E1b1b2a is for Morocco and Berbers I don't know the shorthand way to call it. My R-M269 is apparently for most of Western Europe. Looking at the graph that lists types A through S, it seems that the closer you get to A, that's the mythical Adam or ground zero, so the E for Berbers are more genetically close to Adam than are letters R, S and T. ( just noticed that T comes before S for some reason - a genetic anomaly? :-) And so my R seems to be one of the most distant or changed/altered DNA from the original Adam. Does it seem I have that straight? Thanks, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: mailto:p...@dholmes.com p...@dholmes.com Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 9:48 pm To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com Maybe before you take any time to answer me, I found this faqs page and am learning some basics: http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=26#314 http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=26#314 Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: mailto:p...@dholmes.com p...@dholmes.com Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 9:40 pm To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com Hi Rick, OK, I didn't know what I was looking for and just happened upon the badge and that lead me to the answer. They say: Your predicted Haplogroup: R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269 There are options to order SNPs for $29 each. I wonder what that's about. I'm sure it's a complicated answer, but if you know a way to simplify it, I bet there are others on this list would also like to know. Thanks, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call
Diane,If you can provide what little you know about this person who matches, maybe it might lead to something interesting for you, too.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call From: Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com Date: Fri, January 04, 2013 12:48 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com I had my nephew tested and his Haplogroup is J2, and J-M172 (Shorthand). The most distant paternal ancestor is Joao Inacio da Silva. The baptismal certificate for his son, Jose Ignacio Silva, shows that Joao was from Horta Matriz, Faial, with unknown parents, but we have no other information about him. His wife was Clara Florinda, daughter of Francisco Ignacio da Costa and Maria Clara, from Flamengos, Faial. My nephew has an exact match with someone whose ancestors are probably from Pico, but so far there is not much information about the paternal line in that family either, except that the father of the 90+ year old person he matches was from the Azores. Diane Silva George From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of p...@dholmes.comSent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:17 PMTo: azores@googlegroups.com; azores@googlegroups.comSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll callHow about this idea?Let's do a Y-DNA roll call and anyone who has a direct paternal ancestral line that has at least one of the ancestors born in the Azores.So if you or someone you are related to got the Y-DNA test done through any company, like Ancestry.com, FTDNA, 23andMe, etc, and are willing to share the results on this list, just chime in.Due to privacy issues, only the administrators can see everyone's direct paternal Y-DNA test results. But maybe others, like myself would be interested to get a better picture of the current results.I'll start by repeating some of what I have quoted below about my Terceira ancestry.My direct paternal line goes back to an ancestor named MIGUEL GIL who was born about 1560, probably in Sao Bartolomeu, Terceira.He might be the son of Bras Gil, born about 1542, according to my current estimate.My Haplogroup is R1b1a2 (Shorthand: R-M269).Anyone else willing to add to this?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from TerceiraFrom: p...@dholmes.comDate: Thu, January 03, 2013 10:30 pmTo: azores@googlegroups.comAre there any Y-DNA matches between people with Azores ancestry yet?About the SNPs, I see "private" ones are uncommon:Some Y-DNA subbranch markers, SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms), are restricted to a single family that is related in genealogical times (1 to 15 generations). These are family SNPs or private SNPs. Other SNPs are slightly older. They represent paternal lineage groups that predate the adoption of a family surname. These are semi-private SNPs. Both private and semi-private SNPs are uncommon.But I suppose a match certainly doesn't have to be from a private SNP.I'm still trying to get a handle on this...Are there any others who have this:R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269Nancy Jean already told me E1b1b2a is for Morocco and Berbers I don't know the shorthand way to call it.My R-M269 is apparently for most of Western Europe.Looking at the graph that lists types A through S, it seems that the closer you get to A, that's the mythical Adam or ground zero, so the E for Berbers are more genetically close to Adam than are letters R, S and T.( just noticed that T comes before S for some reason - a genetic anomaly? :-)And so my R seems to be one of the most distant or changed/altered DNA from the original Adam.Does it seem I have that straight?Thanks,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from TerceiraFrom: p...@dholmes.comDate: Thu, January 03, 2013 9:48 pmTo: azores@googlegroups.comMaybe before you take any time to answer me, I found this faqs page and am learning some basics:http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=26#314 Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from TerceiraFrom: p...@dholmes.comDate: Thu, January 03, 2013 9:40 pmTo: azores@googlegroups.comHi Rick,OK, I didn't know what I was looking for and just happened upon the "badge" and that lead me to the answer.They say:Your predicted Haplogroup: R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269There are options to order SNPs for $29 each. I wonder what that's about. I'm sure it's a complicated answer, but if you know a way to simplify it, I bet there are others on this list would also like to know.Thanks,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from TerceiraFrom: "Richard Francis Pimentel"
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup
Great idea, Mary.My father is the one with mtDNA from the Azores and we have the H haplogroup, like you.We don't have any matches at any level.Not knowing how to read it any better, I am pasting this and hope it applies to the results from our test: HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRSA16129G T16187C C16189T T16223C G16230A T16278C T16298C C16311T C16320T I see there is a similar number to your evolved number.Our maternal line goes back through Pico to one Leonor Toste, born about 1547. Toste is relatively rare on Pico and I believe she was more likely born in Terceira, where Toste is rather common.So if anyone can tell me more about my H haplogroup from the above numbers, I'd sure appreciate it. It seems HVR1 is what I have, but I don't know a longer or more exact description.Looking at the migration map for each letter of the haplogroups, I see H is listed as 30,000 years old and coming from Europe.In a previous email, I mentioned we have an ancestor from Chile and two possible candidates who could be tested to show that line. I would expect to have a result of maybe A, B, C or D haplogroups, because those are the letters of the native Indian populations for the western hemisphere. They are 30, 50, 20 and 25,000 years old.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup From: Mary Bordi geneal...@hununu.org Date: Fri, January 04, 2013 11:42 am To: "azores@googlegroups.com" azores@googlegroups.com Just thought I would mention this, since there's a thread about y-DNA.My maternal line contains my Azorean ancestry through my Azorean great grandmother. My first mtDNA test showed haplogroup H. Later there was a number attached to that, and now it has evolved to this mouthful:H-G16129A! (and the exclamation point is not mine, it's part of the designation).It's interesting to see it being refined all the time.Mary -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup
I just compared my father's mtDNA line with mine from Hungary. Much is the same, but there are some slight differences at the end. These are my own results:A16129G T16187C C16189T T16223C G16230A C16261T T16278C G16310A C16311T C16519T Results from my father's line: HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRSA16129G T16187C C16189T T16223C G16230A T16278C T16298C C16311T C16320T -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup
Doug, Since I am match with your father here are mine, several match with his with a few differences, I have no idea what they mean yet but I'm trying to figure it out. Maybe someone could explain it a little. HVR1 Differences from RSRS T16094C A16129G C16147T T16187C T16223C G16230A C16270T T16278C C16311T C16519T On Friday, January 4, 2013 6:19:12 PM UTC-5, Doug Holmes wrote: I just compared my father's mtDNA line with mine from Hungary. Much is the same, but there are some slight differences at the end. These are my own results: - A16129G - T16187C - C16189T - T16223C - G16230A - C16261T - T16278C - G16310A - C16311T - C16519T Results from my father's line: HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS - A16129G - T16187C - C16189T - T16223C - G16230A - T16278C - T16298C - C16311T - C16320T -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA Project
Hi All, If you go to this site http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Azores/default.aspx It is the Azores DNA Project home page. By going to either the Y-DNA or Mt-DNA results you can compare your DNA with other member of the Azores DNA Project that signed the release to share their DNA test results. I think this would be a lot easier than making comparisons through message traffic. We have not talked about this site but with all the new members that have joined the Azores DNA Project you will find it interesting seeing how your DNA compares to other members of the project. Rick Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator Azores DNA Project Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators Cherri Mello - gfsche...@gmail.com Rick Pimentel - rickredle...@gmail.com Nancy Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 4th generation
Hi Shirley, I don´t know who were the parents of Catarina Fernandes. Unfortunately I could never find the marriage record for João Mendes and Catarina Fernandes. They had children in Ponta Garça but I suspect that João Mendes is from Vila Franca do Campo and Catarina Fernandes is from the Froes family of Ponta Garça. But I am not sure yet. When I began to research all these people I also looked at the obitos in SM-VFC and I found two João Mendes deceased in that time period. On 23 sep 1686 and 9? feb 1690. And also on 1 apr 1690 there´s the obito of Maria, filha maior de João Mendes and Catarina? Fernandes? The one that died in 1686 seems to be the João Mendes who married Barbara da Costa on 10 feb 1675. Barbara married again with André Jorge on 03 apr 1690. Maybe the one that died on 1690 is my João Mendes. Manoel Cesar Furtado Em sexta-feira, 4 de janeiro de 2013 19h07min00s UTC-2, Shirley Allegre escreveu: Manoel: I have Joao Mendes born 7 Jan 1637 in Agua de Alto, Sao Miguel, Azores. BAPTISED 11 Jan 1637, SP-Villa Franca do Campo, Sao Miguel, Azores. DIED pre 17 Feb 1694, in Ponta Garca Do you know who were the parents of CATARINA FERNANDES??? I have that she died pre 17 Feb 1694 - PG? 17 Feb 1694, is the date that their son Gonsalo de Mattos married Lusia de Sousa. I have the Mendes Revoredo line back to about 1580 in SM-VFDC. Shirley in CA - Original Message - *From:* mances javascript: *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent:* Friday, January 04, 2013 3:55 AM *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Y-DNA roll call My male line is from from Ponta Garça, S. Miguel, around 1650: João Mendes m. to Catarina Fernandes (Froes). Possibly from Vila Franca do Campo, S. Miguel: Francisco Mendes de Revoredo, around 1580. Manoel Cesar Furtado *Ahnentafel Chart for Vicente Furtado* ** ** *First Generation* ** 1.* Vicente Furtado * was born on 20 Nov 1746 in Vila Franca-SMA. Vicente married *Ana Furtado * daughter of João Furtado and Josefa da Costa on 20 Aug 1781 in Vila Franca-SMA. Ana was born on 23 Jul 1756 in São Roque. ** *Second Generation* ** 2.* Mateus de Sousa * was born on 22 Sep 1704 in Vila Franca-SMA. He married Maria Furtado on 17 Jun 1731 in Vila Franca-SMA. 3.* Maria Furtado * was born about 1704 in Ponta Garça. ** *Third Generation* ** 4.* Gonçalo de Matos * was born in Ponta Garça. He married Luzia de Sousa 17/02/1694 in Vila Franca-SMA. 5.* Luzia de Sousa * was born in Vila Franca-SMA. *Fourth Generation* ** 8.* João Mendes * was born in Ponta Garça (morador). He married Catarina Fernandes. 9.* Catarina Fernandes [Froes]* was born in Ponta Garça (moradora). Em sexta-feira, 4 de janeiro de 2013 04h17min24s UTC-2, Doug Holmes escreveu: How about this idea? Let's do a Y-DNA roll call and anyone who has a direct paternal ancestral line that has at least one of the ancestors born in the Azores. So if you or someone you are related to got the Y-DNA test done through any company, like Ancestry.com, FTDNA, 23andMe, etc, and are willing to share the results on this list, just chime in. Due to privacy issues, only the administrators can see everyone's direct paternal Y-DNA test results. But maybe others, like myself would be interested to get a better picture of the current results. I'll start by repeating some of what I have quoted below about my Terceira ancestry. My direct paternal line goes back to an ancestor named MIGUEL GIL who was born about 1560, probably in Sao Bartolomeu, Terceira. He might be the son of Bras Gil, born about 1542, according to my current estimate. My Haplogroup is *R1b1a2* (Shorthand: *R-M269*). Anyone else willing to add to this? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira From: pi...@dholmes.com Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 10:30 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com Are there any Y-DNA matches between people with Azores ancestry yet? About the SNPs, I see private ones are uncommon: Some Y-DNA subbranch markers, SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms)http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=21#782, are restricted to a single family that is related in genealogical times (1 to 15 generations). These are family SNPs or private SNPs. Other SNPs are slightly older. They represent paternal lineage groups that predate the adoption of a family surname. These are semi-private SNPs. Both private and semi-private SNPs are uncommon. But I suppose a match certainly doesn't have to be from a private SNP. I'm still trying to get a handle on this... Are there any others who have this: *R1b1a2*Shorthand: *R-M269* Nancy Jean already told me E1b1b2a is for Morocco and Berbers I don't know
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup
Greetings, My first post, so hopefully the picture / graphic is viewable ... I'm new to the DNA testing, so found the haplo group interesting since my general ethnic breakdown is central european, british isles and a bit of eastern european, etc... Cheers, k https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-QJY1iGY-1ig/UOd1W_16EZI/AD0/ZP-hI-i7acM/s1600/mtDNA.jpg On Friday, January 4, 2013 3:35:18 PM UTC-8, Mike wrote: Doug, Since I am match with your father here are mine, several match with his with a few differences, I have no idea what they mean yet but I'm trying to figure it out. Maybe someone could explain it a little. HVR1 Differences from RSRS T16094C A16129G C16147T T16187C T16223C G16230A C16270T T16278C C16311T C16519T On Friday, January 4, 2013 6:19:12 PM UTC-5, Doug Holmes wrote: I just compared my father's mtDNA line with mine from Hungary. Much is the same, but there are some slight differences at the end. These are my own results: - A16129G - T16187C - C16189T - T16223C - G16230A - C16261T - T16278C - G16310A - C16311T - C16519T Results from my father's line: HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS - A16129G - T16187C - C16189T - T16223C - G16230A - T16278C - T16298C - C16311T - C16320T -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DaSilva family from Faial da Terra, Azores
Hi, Cheri Thank you for bringing this to my attentiion. I now see that this will be a bit more challenging than I originally thought. I do have the death certificate but when my grandfather died, the records kept by local authorities were not that detailed. For example in several records I have located, it lists simply Faial as his place of birth. I do have the year of his birth so that may be of some help. But as for naturalization or alien registration, I don't feel very confident that I will find anything more since at that time, the country was relatively young and he lived in a very rural area. I did read over the information link you sent (thanks:) ) and will follow those guidelines to see if I can find out anything more. Unfortunately the last reminant of my great gradfather is his ring with the family Coat of Arms, but that went to his eldest son's great, great grandchild who is now deceased and ring lost! Thanks again for your help! Robert On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Robert, You state that your ancestor was most likely born in Sao Miguel, but you want to research the records of Faial. That's the same as if a friend told you he wanted to get into genealogy and his ancestor was most likely born in NY but he wanted to search the records of Arizona. Does not make sense. You are in a tough time period for immigration as an abundance of paper was not generated at this time. You will have to find every scrap of paper your ancestor was mentioned on to figure this out. A death certificate (if one exists), obit, marriage, U.S. censuses, naturalization (if he naturalized), etc. A how-to guide can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: http://goo.gl/uHRmY Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup
Hi Kay,Do you know the birthplace of your oldest known grandmother on the maternal line?Is it the Azores?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup From: "kim..." kimberlylhard...@gmail.com Date: Fri, January 04, 2013 5:43 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Greetings,My first post, so hopefully the picture / graphic is viewable ...I'm new to the DNA testing, so found the haplo group interesting since my general ethnic breakdown is central european, british isles and a bit of eastern european, etc...Cheers, k On Friday, January 4, 2013 3:35:18 PM UTC-8, Mike wrote:Doug,Since I am match with your father here are mine, several match with his with a few differences, I have no idea what they mean yet but I'm trying to figure it out. Maybe someone could explain it a little.HVR1 Differences from RSRST16094CA16129GC16147TT16187CT16223CG16230AC16270TT16278CC16311TC16519TOn Friday, January 4, 2013 6:19:12 PM UTC-5, Doug Holmes wrote: I just compared my father's mtDNA line with mine from Hungary. Much is the same, but there are some slight differences at the end. These are my own results:A16129G T16187C C16189T T16223C G16230A C16261T T16278C G16310A C16311T C16519T Results from my father's line: HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRSA16129G T16187C C16189T T16223C G16230A T16278C T16298C C16311T C16320T -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA Project
Thanks for pointing this out again, Rick.I knew I had seen it before, but forgot just where.I have been studying it for hours now.But there is one thing missing that the "roll call" can help with.First of all, this talk might inspire some on this list to get tested.Second, not everyone tested through FTDNA, yet might still be willing to share the info.There are so many potential test kits that could be added to the Azores DNA project from this list alone.Plus, I have personally convinced several to get tested who don't follow this list.One thing I have noticed in the past couple days is that there are several who mentioned they got the Y-DNA test and their oldest known ancestor on the paternal line was an exposto.I think three of them have discovered this so far. It's quite a high percentage, I think, but lucky for them, if they are going to have any exposto, it could be best to be on this paternal line.At least that way there is some chance they can overcome that hurdle over time as more and more people get tested and the database grows.There is a person with ancestors from Sao Roque do Pico whose ancestor was born to a single mother and pai incognito. I helped her learn about two additional children (she knew of only three, but there were five) born to this single mother. Then she wanted to contact a living person from one of these two knew siblings' descendants and I put her in touch with one of them. They compared notes and pictures.What I also did was recommend they both get DNA testing to see if that single mother had all five kids with the same father, or with different fathers.In this way, I believe they should be able to figure out whether they are half siblings or full siblings. Because there is a rumor as to the name of this unknown father in one case. And at least one document conflicts with his true name.I don't know how well I just explained that, but the point is that it's another example how people can use DNA testing to solve genealogical questions.But if people don't have this pointed out, they might never get tested.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA Project From: "Richard Francis Pimentel" rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Date: Fri, January 04, 2013 5:12 pm To: Azores@googlegroups.com Hi All,If you go to this site http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Azores/default.aspx It is the Azores DNA Project home page. By going to either the Y-DNA or Mt-DNA results you can compare your DNA with other member of the Azores DNA Project that signed the release to share their DNA test results.I think this would be a lot easier than making comparisons through message traffic.We have not talked about this site but with all the new members that have joined the Azores DNA Project you will find it interesting seeing how your DNA compares to other members of the project.RickFamily Tree DNA Co-AdministratorAzores DNA ProjectAzores DNA Project Co-AdministratorsCherri Mello – gfsche...@gmail.com Rick Pimentel – rickredle...@gmail.com Nancy Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DaSilva family from Faial da Terra, Azores
Hi Robert M, If several records state your ancestor's place of birth as Faial, then it's Faial. Faial has only 13 freguesias (villages) to search. Sao Miguel has something like 70 to search. Why don't you list what records you've found and what they say about your ancestor? I'm guessing that an ancestor born in 1833 probably didn't live long enough to see the Smith Act (Alien Registration) enacted in 1940. And naturalization rules changed from time to time. So did the information that the census takers collected. And some state had state censuses that you could utilize. Let us know what you've found and maybe some list members can give you some ideas. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
