[AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record

2013-01-12 Thread Dano
Other than circumstances with foundlings, it certainly is rare to find a record 
that doesn't name the mother. Floriano was apparently a standup guy in this 
instance, as well as later on in life. That being considered, what are the 
chances that his eventual marriage was to his first love, the mother of his 
first child??? 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Searching for information on Francisco De Simas / Jose Francisco De Simas / Jose Silva De Simas

2013-01-12 Thread Robin Lebo
I have Silva from Calheta, Sao Jorge. 
Robin

On Jan 10, 2013, at 19:00, Mary Bordi geneal...@hununu.org wrote:

 On Jan 10, 2013, at 3:23 PM, JR jro...@rogers.com wrote:
 
 If I was you, I would start looking in Pico and Sao Jorge, at and before 
 1842 for anyone named Simas with Silva or Leal. These records are on-line, 
 so you might find something.
 
 I've been researching Rosais, Sao Jorge, and finding people from Pico. Not 
 surprising since they are across the channel. 
 
 I've seen Leal and I think I've seen Simas in my searching. Of course, Silva 
 is all over the place. 
 
 I'll keep my eye out. 
 
 Mary
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEPS site

2013-01-12 Thread Chris Macedo
 
Robert, I also have a relationship with your ancestors. Your ancestor Roque 
Faria Costa is in the Madalena/PICO DB and his relationship to my 
ggrandfather Joao Andrade Macedo  is easy to see.
The Lajes relatioship is slightly more difficult to pin down but  my 
ancestors are definetly related to your although i need to work more to 
sort it out.
Christine Macedo   
 
 
 

On Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:15:05 PM UTC+10, Robert Ross wrote:

 Carol,
   I've had the same problem for a couple of weeks. Exactly the same town, 
 too. I miss the relationship calculator mostly. It's quite a longshot, 
 but I will send four branches of my grandfather's tree that I downloaded as 
 PDFs before the system went down.  Bob Ross bob.r...@gmail.comjavascript:
  
 On Nov 14, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Carol Warnock wrote:

 Deb--
 I have been having the same problem for almost two weeks now.  I don't 
 know what the problem is.  A cousin of mine, when she saw my post on the 
 Azores Genealogy site, suggested that maybe they are just updating the NEPS 
 websire--which I suppose is possible. 
 I was trying to access Pico and then Lajes do Pico.  

 Carol Silva Warnock 
 Researching Madruga, Silva, Monteiro  Vieira--all Lajes do Pico; Madruga 
  Monteiro also on Terceira. 

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Deb McCabe looking...@yahoo.comjavascript:
  wrote:

  I haven't been able to access the NEPS site all week.  I keep an error 
 message.  Are others having problems?
  
 Deb(looking4roots51) 
 *When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!*

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Searching for information on Francisco De Simas / Jose Francisco De Simas / Jose Silva De Simas

2013-01-12 Thread amy . hay
Thank you for everyone's input. I think I may have my dad tested with the 
Family finder DNA. It is very confusing and not alot is know about this 
side of the family and what is know is just here say. Where is the best 
place to search for birth records? I have quite a few names which he has 
used. He seems to have arrived in NZ as Jose de Simas or Jose Francisco de 
Simas and then he has used Jose Leal De Simas and also Jose Silva De Simas 
( this is not in any official documents that I have come across, just here 
say again). He passed away in NZ as Jose Leal De Simas. Also it is quite 
possible he was born in Porto in Northern Portugal and moved to somewhere 
in the Azores. I have also heard that his parent own a vineyard. Is there 
anywhere in particular that I could search for records for Porto? 

Thanks everyone. I really appreciate all the help.

Amy

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 9:43:25 PM UTC+13, amy...@xtra.co.nz wrote:

 Hi All, 

 I am searching for information and I am hoping someone here may be 
 able to help me. 

 My great great great grandfather came from Portugal. The region is 
 unknown at present but could be somewhere around the Porto district or 
 Azores region (this is second hand information from a relative). I 
 think he was born approx 1814 - 1822 (Although family think it could 
 be as late as 1836 but this doesn't match age on documents I have) and 
 left Portugal on a whaling ship in which he jumped off in Australia. I 
 think I have narrowed down the whaling ship to Jeannette which sailed 
 from New Bedford in 1842 and he was listed as a boy (what does this 
 mean?). He lived in Australia for a while then sailed on the Oliver 
 Lang to New Zealand where I believed he changed his name from Jose 
 Francisco de Simas to either Jose Leal de Simas or Jose Silva de 
 Simas. I believe the Silva to be his mothers maiden name. 

 I am seeking any information about his life but particularly 
 information about his younger days. I dont have names for his parents 
 or an exact location of his birth but would love to find this 
 information out. 

 Anyone out there that can help me : 

 Thanks 
 Amy 


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Searching for information on Francisco De Simas / Jose Francisco De Simas / Jose Silva De Simas

2013-01-12 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel
Hi Amy,

 

If you do decide to have your father take the Family Finder test with Family
Tree DNA be sure to join the Azores DNA Project first to order your test.
This is the link http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Azores/default.aspx
Click Join Request and at the bottom there is a link Purchase A Test To
Join This Project.  Click that and follow instructions.

 

Rick

Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator
Azores DNA Project

 

Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators

All unpaid volenteers 

Cherri Mello -  mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com gfsche...@gmail.com 

Rick Pimentel -  mailto:rickredle...@gmail.com rickredle...@gmail.com 

Nancy Jean Baptista -  mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com
fishsongf...@hotmail.com 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
amy@xtra.co.nz
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 3:31 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Searching for information on Francisco De
Simas / Jose Francisco De Simas / Jose Silva De Simas

 

Thank you for everyone's input. I think I may have my dad tested with the
Family finder DNA. It is very confusing and not alot is know about this side
of the family and what is know is just here say. Where is the best place to
search for birth records? I have quite a few names which he has used. He
seems to have arrived in NZ as Jose de Simas or Jose Francisco de Simas and
then he has used Jose Leal De Simas and also Jose Silva De Simas ( this is
not in any official documents that I have come across, just here say again).
He passed away in NZ as Jose Leal De Simas. Also it is quite possible he was
born in Porto in Northern Portugal and moved to somewhere in the Azores. I
have also heard that his parent own a vineyard. Is there anywhere in
particular that I could search for records for Porto? 

 

Thanks everyone. I really appreciate all the help.

 

Amy

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 9:43:25 PM UTC+13, amy...@xtra.co.nz wrote:

Hi All, 

I am searching for information and I am hoping someone here may be 
able to help me. 

My great great great grandfather came from Portugal. The region is 
unknown at present but could be somewhere around the Porto district or 
Azores region (this is second hand information from a relative). I 
think he was born approx 1814 - 1822 (Although family think it could 
be as late as 1836 but this doesn't match age on documents I have) and 
left Portugal on a whaling ship in which he jumped off in Australia. I 
think I have narrowed down the whaling ship to Jeannette which sailed 
from New Bedford in 1842 and he was listed as a boy (what does this 
mean?). He lived in Australia for a while then sailed on the Oliver 
Lang to New Zealand where I believed he changed his name from Jose 
Francisco de Simas to either Jose Leal de Simas or Jose Silva de 
Simas. I believe the Silva to be his mothers maiden name. 

I am seeking any information about his life but particularly 
information about his younger days. I dont have names for his parents 
or an exact location of his birth but would love to find this 
information out. 

Anyone out there that can help me : 

Thanks 
Amy 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record

2013-01-12 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel
I do have him named as married in births of other children at a later date
but I have not searched for the record of marriage to her. Sometimes a
notation will be made on a marriage record legitimizing the children.
Another possibility is that this child did not survive which a search of the
death records would reveal.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:03 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record

Other than circumstances with foundlings, it certainly is rare to find a
record that doesn't name the mother. Floriano was apparently a standup guy
in this instance, as well as later on in life. That being considered, what
are the chances that his eventual marriage was to his first love, the mother
of his first child??? 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record

2013-01-12 Thread pico
I have recorded "unknown mother" 40 times and am certain I saw many that I didn't record.Look for Emilia:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-B-1824-1844/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-B-1824-1844_item1/P102.html Look for Tomas:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1819-1830/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1819-1830_item1/P69.html Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record
From: p...@dholmes.com
Date: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:35 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I have seen "unknown mother" many times, in fact.But it is still unusual enough to remember it well.It seems to happen mostly with wealthy and important fathers. I know cases where Dr. so and so is the father.In Faial and Terceira are some families like Teles that it happened several times. Same for some Pamplona families of Terceira.I have a case where my own ancestor did this. But it was more strange than usual because the mother was certainly well known.If you paid attention to any of my recent posts, you know I have ancestors from Chile.Well, my Piedade ancestor moved to Chile where he married a local girl and had 5 children from a legal marriage.He later smuggled his three surviving daughters out of the country and took them back to Terceira.In Conceicao, Angra, about the 1880s sometime are a series of "legitimacoes" that show these three daughters having an unknown mother (the true mother was my ancestor from Chile).So they were estranged and after the death of my Piedade male ancestor, my ancestor from Chile moved to Terceira where she proved she was the mother of these three daughters.She probably brought along the marriage record to prove it. She remained there with her daughters until she died in about the 1930s, with the exception of the daughter who was my great-grandmother, since she moved to California and is buried in Hayward.The best I can figure is that my Piedade male ancestor was wealthy enough to pay off whomever in the church would take his money and make such a record to say the mother was unknown.He left a lot of property to his heirs, so that seems the most likely answer.I might be the only person who can claim to have an ancestor with two legal and different baptism records for the same person. :-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record From: John Raposo marra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, January 11, 2013 1:08 pm To: "azores@googlegroups.com" azores@googlegroups.com  What a gentleman! He claimed and took responsibility for a child, which means he reported the birth and claimed paternity, while refusing to name the mother and thus not subjecting herto ill repute. I know of only one other case, though there are probably others. There a numerous recorded births of children o singe mothers and unknown fathers but very few children registered to fathers and unknown mothers.John Miranda Raposo  From: Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: Azores@googlegroups.com  Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record   Hi All, The attached record is unusual in that the child’s mother is reported as unknown. It reads “ Manuel Son natural of Floriano Cabral single and native of the parish of Nossa Senhora da Estrela Church in the village of Ribeira Grande and mother unknown Paternal grandson of Joam Cabral and Juliana Rosa, maternal grandson of unknown parents.  It is unusual to see a record like this. I have found this same Floriano Cabral in later records and having legitimate children with his wife.  Rick Richard Francis PimentelSpring, TXFormerly of Epping, New Hampshire  Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores  -- 




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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Searching for information on Francisco De Simas / Jose Francisco De Simas / Jose Silva De Simas

2013-01-12 Thread Chris Macedo
 
Amy,
 The Office of Births, Deaths and Marriges in NZ in the town or nearest 
city to where your gfather died will have the official records and you can 
ask them for a copy. I think they were about $25 per record when I applied 
for a copy of my birth cert..I was born in Wellinton so applied there. Ring 
your nearest office and ask what the procedure is. Your gfathers place 
of bith should be recorded on his death certificate because his place of 
birth should have been notifed of his death, that was and I think, is still 
the procedure. 
My grrandfather arrived in Dunedin somewhere around 1860-65 and his death 
cert. shows that he was born in Candelaria, Pico, Azores in 1840. I have a 
copy of that death cert. and a certified translation of his birth 
certificate, translated in Dunedin, and obtained from the NZ archives by 
my cousin. Maybe you should visit the titles office sometimes you will 
learn much more that way. My ggrandfather also used variations on his name, 
sometimes he was Jose de Andrade de Macedo and sometimes just known as Jose 
Macedo.
Also have a look in the Madalena database of the Uminho. there is a Jose 
Leal Simas b 1907, he is related to my family and his father came from 
Lajes so you could look there. This family was also related to my family in 
Lajes so just maybe our ancestors knew each other.
 It is now 4 15 a.m. here In Brisbane so I wish you good luck and yes 
most certainly have the DNA done. 
 
regards,
Christine Macedo 
 
 
On Saturday, January 12, 2013 7:30:55 PM UTC+10, amy...@xtra.co.nz wrote:

 Thank you for everyone's input. I think I may have my dad tested with the 
 Family finder DNA. It is very confusing and not alot is know about this 
 side of the family and what is know is just here say. Where is the best 
 place to search for birth records? I have quite a few names which he has 
 used. He seems to have arrived in NZ as Jose de Simas or Jose Francisco de 
 Simas and then he has used Jose Leal De Simas and also Jose Silva De Simas 
 ( this is not in any official documents that I have come across, just here 
 say again). He passed away in NZ as Jose Leal De Simas. Also it is quite 
 possible he was born in Porto in Northern Portugal and moved to somewhere 
 in the Azores. I have also heard that his parent own a vineyard. Is there 
 anywhere in particular that I could search for records for Porto? 

 Thanks everyone. I really appreciate all the help.

 Amy

 On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 9:43:25 PM UTC+13, amy...@xtra.co.nz wrote:

 Hi All, 

 I am searching for information and I am hoping someone here may be 
 able to help me. 

 My great great great grandfather came from Portugal. The region is 
 unknown at present but could be somewhere around the Porto district or 
 Azores region (this is second hand information from a relative). I 
 think he was born approx 1814 - 1822 (Although family think it could 
 be as late as 1836 but this doesn't match age on documents I have) and 
 left Portugal on a whaling ship in which he jumped off in Australia. I 
 think I have narrowed down the whaling ship to Jeannette which sailed 
 from New Bedford in 1842 and he was listed as a boy (what does this 
 mean?). He lived in Australia for a while then sailed on the Oliver 
 Lang to New Zealand where I believed he changed his name from Jose 
 Francisco de Simas to either Jose Leal de Simas or Jose Silva de 
 Simas. I believe the Silva to be his mothers maiden name. 

 I am seeking any information about his life but particularly 
 information about his younger days. I dont have names for his parents 
 or an exact location of his birth but would love to find this 
 information out. 

 Anyone out there that can help me : 

 Thanks 
 Amy 



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to contact your DNA Matches and get a better response

2013-01-12 Thread Cheryl Lawrence
Thank you so much for this info Cheri! I run the kits for 5 other people,
and it can get confusing when I get random emails, and it takes awhile to
sort things out.
- Cheryl Lawrence

On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here's a suggestion (or a work around) that's I've come up with to solve
 one problem of contacting your DNA matches.

 Attached is a screen shot titled Match George.  This is Altino Demelo's
 Family Finder matches.  You can see that Altino matches George Mello,
 Shirley Allegre, Cheri Mello, Gail Elizares, and Nicolau Silva.  So if you
 were Altino and you got your DNA results back, you would think that if you
 emailed George, Shirley, Cheri, Gail, and Nicolau, that you would be
 reaching George, Shirley, Cheri, Gail and Nicolau.  You're not.  The reason
 I know this is because I'm the project admin and I can tell you that two of
 the matches have proxies (kits handled by other people).  You would not
 know this if you are Altino.  Now, if you are Altino, and you write me an
 email that says, Hi there, You are matching me on our Family Finder page,
 I won't know what you mean.  Are you really matching me, Cheri?  Or my dad
 George? Or my mom?  Or any of the other kits I handle?

 So I came up with this work around.  See the screen shot titled Match
 George But Cheri.  Now, if you are Altino, you now know that you won't be
 talking to George.  You are talking to Cheri.  So your email could say, Hi
 Cheri, I see George Mello is matching me on the Family Finder test.

 However, if you are a proxy too, your email needs to say, Hi Cheri,
 George Mello is matching my cousin, Jane Doe, on the Family Finder test.

 Or something along those lines.

 To change the kit to read First Name - Last Name (contact is ), do
 this:
 1) Log into your FTDNA account
 2) On the blue navigation bar, point at My Account, and choose Contact
 Information.
 3) In the LAST NAME field, put (contact is _) and fill in your name.
 (My dad's last name is: Mello, Jr (contact is Cheri).

 The more people that do this, then Family Tree DNA will have their
 customer service reps suggest this.

 Cheri Mello
 Family Tree DNA Admin
 Azores DNA Project

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Searching for information on Francisco De Simas / Jose Francisco De Simas / Jose Silva De Simas

2013-01-12 Thread amy . hay
Thanks for your help. Sorry where do I find the database you refer too. I 
am very new to this.
 
Thank you 
Amy
On Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:18:24 AM UTC+13, Chris Macedo wrote:

  
 Amy,
  The Office of Births, Deaths and Marriges in NZ in the town or nearest 
 city to where your gfather died will have the official records and you can 
 ask them for a copy. I think they were about $25 per record when I applied 
 for a copy of my birth cert..I was born in Wellinton so applied there. Ring 
 your nearest office and ask what the procedure is. Your gfathers place 
 of bith should be recorded on his death certificate because his place of 
 birth should have been notifed of his death, that was and I think, is still 
 the procedure. 
 My grrandfather arrived in Dunedin somewhere around 1860-65 and his death 
 cert. shows that he was born in Candelaria, Pico, Azores in 1840. I have a 
 copy of that death cert. and a certified translation of his birth 
 certificate, translated in Dunedin, and obtained from the NZ archives by 
 my cousin. Maybe you should visit the titles office sometimes you will 
 learn much more that way. My ggrandfather also used variations on his name, 
 sometimes he was Jose de Andrade de Macedo and sometimes just known as Jose 
 Macedo.
 Also have a look in the Madalena database of the Uminho. there is a Jose 
 Leal Simas b 1907, he is related to my family and his father came from 
 Lajes so you could look there. This family was also related to my family in 
 Lajes so just maybe our ancestors knew each other.
  It is now 4 15 a.m. here In Brisbane so I wish you good luck and yes 
 most certainly have the DNA done. 
  
 regards,
 Christine Macedo 
  
  
 On Saturday, January 12, 2013 7:30:55 PM UTC+10, amy...@xtra.co.nz wrote:

 Thank you for everyone's input. I think I may have my dad tested with the 
 Family finder DNA. It is very confusing and not alot is know about this 
 side of the family and what is know is just here say. Where is the best 
 place to search for birth records? I have quite a few names which he has 
 used. He seems to have arrived in NZ as Jose de Simas or Jose Francisco de 
 Simas and then he has used Jose Leal De Simas and also Jose Silva De Simas 
 ( this is not in any official documents that I have come across, just here 
 say again). He passed away in NZ as Jose Leal De Simas. Also it is quite 
 possible he was born in Porto in Northern Portugal and moved to somewhere 
 in the Azores. I have also heard that his parent own a vineyard. Is there 
 anywhere in particular that I could search for records for Porto? 

 Thanks everyone. I really appreciate all the help.

 Amy

 On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 9:43:25 PM UTC+13, amy...@xtra.co.nz wrote:

 Hi All, 

 I am searching for information and I am hoping someone here may be 
 able to help me. 

 My great great great grandfather came from Portugal. The region is 
 unknown at present but could be somewhere around the Porto district or 
 Azores region (this is second hand information from a relative). I 
 think he was born approx 1814 - 1822 (Although family think it could 
 be as late as 1836 but this doesn't match age on documents I have) and 
 left Portugal on a whaling ship in which he jumped off in Australia. I 
 think I have narrowed down the whaling ship to Jeannette which sailed 
 from New Bedford in 1842 and he was listed as a boy (what does this 
 mean?). He lived in Australia for a while then sailed on the Oliver 
 Lang to New Zealand where I believed he changed his name from Jose 
 Francisco de Simas to either Jose Leal de Simas or Jose Silva de 
 Simas. I believe the Silva to be his mothers maiden name. 

 I am seeking any information about his life but particularly 
 information about his younger days. I dont have names for his parents 
 or an exact location of his birth but would love to find this 
 information out. 

 Anyone out there that can help me : 

 Thanks 
 Amy 



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