Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] San Diego's (California) Espirito Santo this weekend (May 18-19)

[Carol Warnock]

Cheri--
Richard and I are planning on being there Friday and Saturday evenings.
Richard has a "gig" in Poway on Saturday afternoon.
I am thinking about being being there on Sunday.
Carol (Silva) Warnock


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Is anyone from this list going to be at the San Diego hall this weekend
> for Espirito Santo?  The Artesia band is going and I will be there.  We are
> staying at the Courtyard by Marriott on Laning Rd.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes

[pico]

Hi Vivian,Nice to hear from you.It's very interesting that his family also converted Homem to Holmes. I think I once saw in a book (maybe by Carlos Almeida) that Homem was converted to Holmes and I wondered who else, if anyone, had done it aside from my family from Terceira.The story is that my grandfather's younger brother, Jacinto, came to the US first and started this conversion. When my grandfather came with the rest of his siblings and his mother, he didn't quite like it, but eventually went along with the change.The rest, as they say, is history. :-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes
From: Vivian Christy 
Date: Wed, May 15, 2013 7:44 pm
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" 

Hello Doug and Nancy, Frank Patrick Holmes is my cousin and I do all the genealogy for our family.  So I will check out his matches.  The thing is I do not know where his great grandfather who is also Frank Peter Holmes (Homen) was born or died except that it was the Sao Jorge Island.  That is the brick wall in our genealogy.  When I check out the matches and your tree I will see if we have any that could be relatives.  I wish I would have been able to get the copy of the Marriage record from the church in Hanford where my Grandmother Marie G. Holmes and grandfather Manuel Joseph were married.  But I probably will have to go there my self to see if I can get the record.  So I have not found the town yet.  Thank you.  Vivian (Silva) Christy researching: Silva, Machado, Silveria, Veira, Holmes, Homen, Enos, Jose, Souza, and many more.  In Lajes do Pico and Sao Jorge, Tereica, and Faial.  From: nancy jean baptiste  To: Doug da Rocha Holmes ; azores group   Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:57 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes A correction to my earlier post.Frank Holmeswe match many names on Sao Jorge.  Nancy Jean  From: p...@dholmes.comTo: fishsongf...@hotmail.comSubject: Frank Patrick HolmesDate: Thu, 9 May 2013 08:48:11 -0700Hi Nancy,I think someone once mentioned Frank Holmes to me, but I didn't realize he has Pico ancestors.Can you identify the one who immigrated from there?I don't show him as a link, but if he connects to Judy's relative, and I connect to her, maybe there is still a remote link between us that DNA doesn't show.Was his Holmes name originally Homem, like mine? Or does he have English ancestry?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618http://www.dholmes.com/    Original Message  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA results From: nancy jean baptiste  Date: Thu, May 09, 2013 7:51 am To: azores group   With Frank Patrick Holmes 49.55 and 31.64...ftdna predicts 3rd cousin. We share many of the same names on Pico.  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for direction

[pico]

Hi Vicki,It's not always the case, but the majority of Portuguese in Hawaii came from either Madeira or Sao Miguel island, Azores. I know some from Terceira and others from Pico, but they are vastly outnumbered by the former.Also, you mentioned "Dorego" which is "do Rego" in Portugal and this is a name that comes from Sao Miguel, even though there are many on Terceira (who descend from Sao Miguel in the 1500s).So I'm inclined to suggest you keep an eye out for Sao Miguel as their origins.Madeiros is Medeiros in Portugal - also "de Medeiros" and very common to Sao Miguel.Find the parents of Gus as passengers to Hawaii and go from there.Good luck!Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for direction
From: "Vicki Rabe" 
Date: Wed, May 15, 2013 3:12 pm
To: 

Hello, I’m new to your site but hoping someone might be able to point me in the right direction.  I’m stuck going further on my Daddy’s side of the family.  Some of them were born in Hawaii but family originally came from the Azores.  I’m not sure if I gave enough info below to see if anyone has any idea how I might be able to move forward.  Thanks for any guidance at all.  Sincerely,  Vicki (Madeiros) Rabe Joseph Cardoza – Born in Portugal 1871 – 1913  my Great GrandpaMarried Mary C Correia Cardoza (Born 29 Oct 1884 – 23 Oct 1968) My Great GrandmaThey had the following children:Mary Edith Cardoza – 31 May 1903 – 16 Feb 1988 – This is my Grandma on my Dad’s sideMary Edith Cardoza married August “Gus” Madeiros – born in Hawaii 9 Jul 1901 died in Alameda CA 17 Jun 1940.  They had 3 children, one being my Daddy Albert Joseph Madeiros (Born 28 Sept 1925 - still alive) Minnie C. Cardoza – 16 Dec 1905 – 11 May 1996Philomena Cardoza – About 1906Marian Cardoza – 28 June 1907 – 11 Nov 1940Joseph Theodore Cardoza – 1 Dec 1908 – 21 Oct 1981Lucille Cardoza – 19 Jan 1911 – 9 Jan 2006Laura Cardoza – 3 Nov 1912 – 15 Dec 1994Then Joseph Cardoza Died and Mary Correia Cardoza married Joseph Nunes Freitas and they had 3 additional children.I’m having difficulty figuring out Joseph Cardoza’s parents to go any further, does anyone have any ideas? I believe that my Grandpa August “Gus” Madeiros’s parents were Joseph Madeiros not sure when or where he was born and his wife was Ambrozina Dorego – 1874 Portugal and died in 1948 in Alameda, CA.  I can’t seem to find any information on my Great Grandpa (Joseph Madeiros).  Any ideas where to try and find more information on he and Ambrozina?     





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[AZORES-Genealogy] San Diego's (California) Espirito Santo this weekend (May 18-19)

[Cheri Mello]

Is anyone from this list going to be at the San Diego hall this weekend for
Espirito Santo?  The Artesia band is going and I will be there.  We are
staying at the Courtyard by Marriott on Laning Rd.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for direction

[Cheri Mello]

Vicki R,

You are going to have to find every piece of paper in the U.S. and Hawaii
before jumping into the Azores.  A How-To guide can be found here on the
Azores GenWeb site:
http://goo.gl/aLjMQ

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes

[Vivian Christy]

Hello Doug and Nancy,
 
Frank Patrick Holmes is my cousin and I do all the genealogy for our family.  
So I will check out his matches.  The thing is I do not know where his great 
grandfather who is also Frank Peter Holmes (Homen) was born or died except that 
it was the Sao Jorge Island.  That is the brick wall in our genealogy.  When I 
check out the matches and your tree I will see if we have any that could be 
relatives.  I wish I would have been able to get the copy of the Marriage 
record from the church in Hanford where my Grandmother Marie G. Holmes and 
grandfather Manuel Joseph were married.  But I probably will have to go there 
my self to see if I can get the record.  So I have not found the town yet.  
Thank you.  Vivian (Silva) Christy
 
researching: Silva, Machado, Silveria, Veira, Holmes, Homen, Enos, Jose, Souza, 
and many more.  In Lajes do Pico and Sao Jorge, Tereica, and Faial.
 


 From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: Doug da Rocha Holmes ; azores group 
 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:57 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes
  


 
A correction to my earlier post.Frank Holmeswe match many names on Sao 
Jorge. 
 
Nancy Jean 
 



From: p...@dholmes.com
To: fishsongf...@hotmail.com
Subject: Frank Patrick Holmes
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 08:48:11 -0700

Hi Nancy,

I think someone once mentioned Frank Holmes to me, but I didn't realize he has 
Pico ancestors.
Can you identify the one who immigrated from there?

I don't show him as a link, but if he connects to Judy's relative, and I 
connect to her, maybe there is still a remote link between us that DNA doesn't 
show.

Was his Holmes name originally Homem, like mine? Or does he have English 
ancestry?


Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
http://www.dholmes.com/

 
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>Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA
>results
>From: nancy jean baptiste 
>Date: Thu, May 09, 2013 7:51 am
>To: azores group  
>
> 
>With Frank Patrick Holmes 49.55 and 31.64...ftdna predicts 3rd cousin. We 
>share many of the same names on Pico.  
>  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New to group and need help. Mendonca, Freitas from Faja Grande, flores.

[Jason Brown]

Thank you very much.  I will definitely look into getting the book.  

Jason

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:59:18 PM UTC+9, João Ventura wrote:
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> Your great grandfather's baptism record seems to be this one (nº25): 
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAGRANDE-B-1861-1889/FLR-LF-FAJAGRANDE-B-1861-1889_item1/P226.html
>
> Note that it says that he was born in September 4th.
>
> Looking at the 'Casais das Flores' book, these are the details of his 
> marriage to your great-grandmother: António José de Mendonça [21 anos, f.º 
> de António José de Mendonça e de Maria Inácia] c. 1899.05.06 c. Maria de 
> Freitas de Mendonça [21 anos, f.ª natural de Maria da Conceição do Espírito 
> Santo].
>
> Your great-great-grandparents marriage record is in the 'Fajazinha' parish 
> from which the 'Faja Grande' was detached in 1861: António José de Mendonça 
> [f.º de Caetano José de Mendonça e de Inácia Rosa] c. 1850.08.31 c. Maria 
> Inácia do Coração de Jesus [f.ª de António Coelho Ramos e de Maria Inácia].
>
> If you're going to research Flores, you should get the 'Casais das Flores' 
> e-book. It's very cheap and you'll help to support the author who did an 
> amazing job.
>
> Happy researching,
>
> João Ventura
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:37:50 AM UTC+2, Jason Brown wrote:
>>
>> Please Help,
>>
>> During my family tree research, I have hit a brick wall when it comes to 
>> my Azores side.
>>
>> My Great Grandfather is,
>>
>> Antone Joseph Mendonca was born on August 4th, 1877 in Faji Grande, 
>>
>> Azores. He died on December 2nd, 1944 in Merced, California. He married 
>>
>> Marie Ignacio Freitas. 
>>
>> Timeline:
>>
>> Antone resided in 1935 in Merced, California. 
>>
>> He resided on April 1st, 1940 in Merced, California, United States.  
>>
>> He was born in 1878 in Portugal.  
>>
>> He resided in 1920 in Township 5, Merced, California.  
>>
>> Marie Ignacio Freitas was born on May 2nd, 1877 in Flores, Azores, 
>>
>> Portugal. She died on March 5th, 1943 in Merced, California. 
>>
>> Timeline:
>>
>>
>> Marie resided in 1920 in Township 5, Merced, California. 
>>
>> She resided in 1935 in Merced, California. 
>>
>> She resided on 1 Apr 1940 in Merced, California, United States. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I have not been able to find any direct sources of their births in the 
>> Azores. I have plenty of sources for when they were living in California. 
>> But its like a black hole, once i hit Azores. Can anyone help?
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for direction

[Vicki Rabe]

Hello, I'm new to your site but hoping someone might be able to point me in
the right direction.  I'm stuck going further on my Daddy's side of the
family.  Some of them were born in Hawaii but family originally came from
the Azores.  I'm not sure if I gave enough info below to see if anyone has
any idea how I might be able to move forward.  Thanks for any guidance at
all.  

Sincerely,  Vicki (Madeiros) Rabe

 

Joseph Cardoza - Born in Portugal 1871 - 1913  my Great Grandpa

Married Mary C Correia Cardoza (Born 29 Oct 1884 - 23 Oct 1968) My Great
Grandma

They had the following children:

Mary Edith Cardoza - 31 May 1903 - 16 Feb 1988 - This is my Grandma on my
Dad's side

Mary Edith Cardoza married August "Gus" Madeiros - born in Hawaii 9 Jul 1901
died in Alameda CA 17 Jun 1940.  They had 3 children, one being my Daddy
Albert Joseph Madeiros (Born 28 Sept 1925 - still alive) 

Minnie C. Cardoza - 16 Dec 1905 - 11 May 1996

Philomena Cardoza - About 1906

Marian Cardoza - 28 June 1907 - 11 Nov 1940

Joseph Theodore Cardoza - 1 Dec 1908 - 21 Oct 1981

Lucille Cardoza - 19 Jan 1911 - 9 Jan 2006

Laura Cardoza - 3 Nov 1912 - 15 Dec 1994

Then Joseph Cardoza Died and Mary Correia Cardoza married Joseph Nunes
Freitas and they had 3 additional children.

I'm having difficulty figuring out Joseph Cardoza's parents to go any
further, does anyone have any ideas?

 

I believe that my Grandpa August "Gus" Madeiros's parents were Joseph
Madeiros not sure when or where he was born and his wife was Ambrozina
Dorego - 1874 Portugal and died in 1948 in Alameda, CA.  I can't seem to
find any information on my Great Grandpa (Joseph Madeiros).  Any ideas where
to try and find more information on he and Ambrozina?  

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

[sarab...@aol.com]

Hi Eddie,
 
 This is a marriage record (Feb. 12, 1818) church of Nossa Senhora das 
Neves, village of Norte Grande,  of


Manoel D'Azevedo Machado , son of another of same name and Maria Isabel
and Anna Eulalia da Coracao de Jesus, daughter of Andre Francisco, dead, and 
Anna Josefa
All natives of this village where the bride and groom were baptised.
Notice that the priest was Jorge D'Azevedo Machado 


I am descended from the groom's father and mother who have a son Jorge 
D'Azevedo Machado, born in 1787, (possible brother of the groom who was born in 
1768)


Arline Silveira
 






















-Original Message-
From: Eddie Machado 
To: azores 
Sent: Wed, May 15, 2013 6:17 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help


Hi all,


Could someone give me a hand with translating this record for Manuel d' Azevedo 
Machado


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1812-1847/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1812-1847_item1/P66.html



Thanks in advance.


-Eddie





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

[Eddie Machado]

Hi all,

Could someone give me a hand with translating this record for Manuel d' 
Azevedo Machado

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1812-1847/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1812-1847_item1/P66.html

Thanks in advance.

-Eddie


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Diane,
 
Will take a lookfound their marriage for 1724...will continue to look 
further.
 
I have some in this line from Feteira and Sao Joao with variations on the 
Fereira name.
 
Nancy Jean
 
From: digeorg...@hotmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 09:07:00 -0700

I also descend from Francisca. I have attached a chart showing the direct line 
from Francisca to me. Let me know if you find anything. I will also try to find 
the baptism records in CCA since the NEPS database shows birthdates and places 
in the records from Feteira. I am in the middle of a big website project right 
now so I may not get anything done in the next few days, but should be a little 
less busy next week. Diane George (Silva) From: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:03 AM
To: azores group; azores group
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David Hi Diane,
 
My info is also from NEPSAlexandre Fereira and Madalena Furtado are my 6th 
great grandparents as they are yours. I descend through their daughter, 
Francisca Inacia.
 
I will look in the CCA and find their marriage record and see if it gives us 
more info to follow. 
 
Nancy Jean
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:32:59 -0700Nancy Jean, I have the same couple in my 
database as my 6th great grandparents, also from Candelaria, but the birthdates 
are in 1668 and 1666 and I do not have a marriage date.  The data is from the 
NEPS database, but doesn’t sound right because Madalena would have been 60 when 
 the daughter Francisca Inacia was born (1726). The links to the data for 
Alexandre are 
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=alexandrre;n=ferreira,
 and 
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=cmadalena&lang=en&m=NG&n=Alexandre++Ferreira&t=PN
 I am not sure how to interpret this information at this point. Do you have 
data from a different source? Diane George  From: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:14 AM
To: azores group; azores group
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David Hi David,
 
I noticed your Ferreira from LajesI have an Alexandre  Ferreira,born ? in 
Lajes married in 1724 to Madalena Furtado born in Candelaria. They had 3 
children all born in Candelaria.
 
Regards,
Nancy Jean
 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 20:49:40 -0700
From: dsdscorn...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David

Thanks, Marie...  I checked out the various Macedos, but no connection point is 
yet apparent between our trees.  I also couldn't locate your Silveira Cardosos 
in the CITCEM/NEPS database -- do you know if they're in there?

David da Silva Cornell

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 5:17:42 AM UTC-4, seek...@aol.com wrote:David, I will 
give you the names that you mentioned that you are interested in that I have 
from Lajes.   I'll start with just a few at a time: Silveira Cardoso:   Antonio 
Silveira Cardoso (1747-1813); Alferes Jose Silveira Cardoso (1717-1791) Macedo 
(and combinations) Maria Macedo Ascencao (1825-1892); Maria Macedo Ascencao 
(1792-1836); Maria Luisa Macedo (1853-1936); Manuel Macedo Bettencourt 
(1819-1890); Maria Macedo Bettencourt ( 1848-1928); Jose Macedo Bonitinho 
(1840-1913); Jose Vieira Macedo (1855-1921); Antonio Macedo Evangelho Portugal 
(1843-1915); Francisco Macedo Evangelho (b. 1822); Francisco Macedo Evangelho 
(d. 1908); Manuel Macedo Evangelho (b. 1784); Manuel Macedo Evangelho 
(1746-1822); Rosa Perpetua Macedo Evangelho (d. 1855); Catarina Macedo Jesus 
(1850-1915); Manuel Joaquim Brum Macedo Bettencourt (1855-1918); Francisca 
Conceicao Macedo Jesus (1853-1919); Antonio Macedo Machado (b. 1816); Isabel 
Francisca Macedo (1827-1913); Manuel Macedo Mancebo Evangelho (b. 1808); Jose 
Macedo Portugal Evangelho (1840-1908); Francisco Macedo Portugal (b. 1863); 
Maria Macedo Serqueria (d. 1935); Maria Macedo Vieira (1858-1942); Manuel Jose 
Dutra Macedo (1789-1859); Catarina Macedo (b. 1780); Catarina Macedo (d. 1881); 
Catarina Macedo (1807-1851); Catarina Vicencia Macedo (b. 1815); Francisca 
Conceicao Macedo (1859-1908);Antonio Silveira Macedo (1862-1951). That's 
all for now.  I will send you some more that I have from Lajes. Marie Pleasant  
 

On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 8:03:18 PM UTC-7, David wrote: I have tried to locate 
online either some place from which I can purchase a copy of the book Familias 
da Ilha das Flores or else some library that has a copy I could request...  But 
no luck yet on either score.  Not even the Family History Library Catalog seems 
to list it...

I did locate on a cached page from the Azores Regional Gove

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David

[Diane George]

I also descend from Francisca. I have attached a chart showing the direct
line from Francisca to me. Let me know if you find anything. I will also try
to find the baptism records in CCA since the NEPS database shows birthdates
and places in the records from Feteira. I am in the middle of a big website
project right now so I may not get anything done in the next few days, but
should be a little less busy next week.

 

Diane George (Silva)

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:03 AM
To: azores group; azores group
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David

 

Hi Diane,
 
My info is also from NEPSAlexandre Fereira and Madalena Furtado are my
6th great grandparents as they are yours. I descend through their daughter,
Francisca Inacia.
 
I will look in the CCA and find their marriage record and see if it gives us
more info to follow. 
 
Nancy Jean
 

  _  

From: digeorg...@hotmail.com  
To: azores@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:32:59 -0700

Nancy Jean,

 

I have the same couple in my database as my 6th great grandparents, also
from Candelaria, but the birthdates are in 1668 and 1666 and I do not have a
marriage date.  The data is from the NEPS database, but doesn’t sound right
because Madalena would have been 60 when  the daughter Francisca Inacia was
born (1726). The links to the data for Alexandre are

http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=alexandrre;
n=ferreira, and

http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=cmadalena&lang=en&m=NG&n=Alex
andre++Ferreira&t=PN

 

I am not sure how to interpret this information at this point. Do you have
data from a different source?

 

Diane George

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:14 AM
To: azores group; azores group
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David

 

Hi David,
 
I noticed your Ferreira from LajesI have an Alexandre  Ferreira,born ?
in Lajes married in 1724 to Madalena Furtado born in Candelaria. They had 3
children all born in Candelaria.
 
Regards,
Nancy Jean
 

  _  

Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 20:49:40 -0700
From: dsdscorn...@gmail.com  
To: azores@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David

Thanks, Marie...  I checked out the various Macedos, but no connection point
is yet apparent between our trees.  I also couldn't locate your Silveira
Cardosos in the CITCEM/NEPS database -- do you know if they're in there?

David da Silva Cornell

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 5:17:42 AM UTC-4, seek...@aol.com
  wrote:

David,

 

I will give you the names that you mentioned that you are interested in that
I have from Lajes.   I'll start with just a few at a time:

 

Silveira Cardoso:  

 

Antonio Silveira Cardoso (1747-1813); Alferes Jose Silveira Cardoso
(1717-1791)

 

Macedo (and combinations)

 

Maria Macedo Ascencao (1825-1892); Maria Macedo Ascencao (1792-1836); Maria
Luisa Macedo (1853-1936); Manuel Macedo Bettencourt (1819-1890); Maria
Macedo Bettencourt ( 1848-1928); Jose Macedo Bonitinho (1840-1913); Jose
Vieira Macedo (1855-1921); Antonio Macedo Evangelho Portugal (1843-1915);
Francisco Macedo Evangelho (b. 1822); Francisco Macedo Evangelho (d. 1908);
Manuel Macedo Evangelho (b. 1784); Manuel Macedo Evangelho (1746-1822); Rosa
Perpetua Macedo Evangelho (d. 1855); Catarina Macedo Jesus (1850-1915);
Manuel Joaquim Brum Macedo Bettencourt (1855-1918); Francisca Conceicao
Macedo Jesus (1853-1919); Antonio Macedo Machado (b. 1816); Isabel Francisca
Macedo (1827-1913); Manuel Macedo Mancebo Evangelho (b. 1808); Jose Macedo
Portugal Evangelho (1840-1908); Francisco Macedo Portugal (b. 1863); Maria
Macedo Serqueria (d. 1935); Maria Macedo Vieira (1858-1942); Manuel Jose
Dutra Macedo (1789-1859); Catarina Macedo (b. 1780); Catarina Macedo (d.
1881); Catarina Macedo (1807-1851); Catarina Vicencia Macedo (b. 1815);
Francisca Conceicao Macedo (1859-1908);Antonio Silveira Macedo
(1862-1951).

 

That's all for now.  I will send you some more that I have from Lajes.

 

Marie Pleasant

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 8:03:18 PM UTC-7, David wrote: 

I have tried to locate online either some place from which I can purchase a
copy of the book Familias da Ilha das Flores or else some library that has a
copy I could request...  But no luck yet on either score.  Not even the
Family History Librar

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Azores are a part of Portugal

[Sonia Pacheco]

John-- 

The rule you wrote is correct 

Santo = first name starts with vowel 
São = first name starts with consonant and the letter H 

Female saints are *always* Santa 

There are a small number of exceptions: Santo Tirso, Santo Cristo, Santo Jó , 
São Estêvão, Santo Jeremias 
Both may be used interchangeably: São e Santo Tomás de Aquino 

The abbreviation for both is a J. (capital J with a period) 




Sónia Pacheco 
Librarian Archivist 
Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese American Archives 
Portuguese Liaison 
Claire T. Carney Library 
University of Massachusetts Dartmouth 
285 Old Westport Road 
N. Dartmouth, MA 02747 
Tel. 508-999-8695 
Fax 508-999-8424 
Email spach...@umassd.edu 
Web site: http://www.lib.umassd.edu/archives/Archives.html 


- Original Message -

From: "John Vasconcelos"  
To: "azores"  
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:10:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Azores are a part of Portugal 



Just adding to what Cheri pointed out, there always seems to be an exception to 
the "general' rule. When the saint's first name starts with a vowel, (ie 
Antonio, Amaro, etc., the proper term is "Santo" I was about to proclaim the 
general rule: "Sao" when the saint's first name starts with a consonant, Santo 
when the saint's first name starts with a vowel then I looked at our Band 
Schedule which reminded me that we recently played at the Santo Cristo festa in 
Chino. I give up! I defer to the language experts on the list. Joao?, George?, 
Doug?, Katharine? 
John Vasconcelos 




On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Cheri Mello < gfsche...@gmail.com > wrote: 









Spelling was always one of my strong subjects, so try really hard not to let 
misspellings bother me, but in this case I really need to speak up. 

The Azores are a part of Portugal, not Spain. The language of the Azores and 
Portugal is Portuguese, not Spanish. 

The word for saint in Portuguese is Sao (properly, it's São). The word for 
saint in Spanish is San. 

I know there are many areas of the U.S. that touch the Mexican border and for 
those of us in these areas, we may encounter the Spanish language more 
frequently, so we may not even notice the San instead of Sao, since San is so 
familiar to us. They even have lots of cities named in Spanish after saints 
(San Francisco is one). 

So if you are in the habit of typing San on this list, or are new to Portuguese 
genealogy and didn't realize the difference, please put a post-it on your 
computer that says: Sao Miguel, Sao Jorge, or Sao whatever (if that is your 
freguesia). 

People write me and say, for example, that they remember a post about Sao 
Vicente on Sao Miguel and they can't find it in the archive. So I search the 
archive by typing in Sao Vicente and Sao Miguel and I can't find it either. 
Then I have to play around with the San and even sometimes the translation into 
English. 

Please, please, please, stick with the Portuguese spelling! 

P.S. On Sao Miguel...it's MiGuel...a G in there...not a Q. That one makes the 
message impossible to find in the archive. 








Cheri Mello 
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Azores are a part of Portugal

[John Vasconcelos]

*Just adding to what Cheri pointed out, there always seems to be an
exception to the "general' rule. When the saint's first name starts with a
vowel, (ie Antonio, Amaro, etc., the  proper term is "Santo" I was about to
proclaim the general rule: "Sao" when the saint's first name starts with a
consonant, Santo when the saint's first name starts with a vowel then I
looked at our Band Schedule which reminded me that we recently played at
the Santo Cristo festa in Chino. I give up! I defer to the language experts
on the  list. Joao?, George?, Doug?, Katharine?
*
*John Vasconcelos*


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Spelling was always one of my strong subjects, so try really hard not to
> let misspellings bother me, but in this case I really need to speak up.
>
> The Azores are a part of Portugal, not Spain.  The language of the Azores
> and Portugal is Portuguese, not Spanish.
>
> The word for saint in Portuguese is Sao (properly, it's São).  The word
> for saint in Spanish is San.
>
> I know there are many areas of the U.S. that touch the Mexican border and
> for those of us in these areas, we may encounter the Spanish language more
> frequently, so we may not even notice the San instead of Sao, since San is
> so familiar to us.  They even have lots of cities named in Spanish after
> saints (San Francisco is one).
>
> So if you are in the habit of typing San on this list, or are new to
> Portuguese genealogy and didn't realize the difference, please put a
> post-it on your computer that says: Sao Miguel, Sao Jorge, or Sao whatever
> (if that is your freguesia).
>
> People write me and say, for example, that they remember a post about Sao
> Vicente on Sao Miguel and they can't find it in the archive.  So I search
> the archive by typing in Sao Vicente and Sao Miguel and I can't find it
> either.  Then I have to play around with the San and even sometimes the
> translation into English.
>
> Please, please, please, stick with the Portuguese spelling!
>
> P.S.  On Sao Miguel...it's MiGuel...a G in there...not a Q.  That one
> makes the message impossible to find in the archive.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] The Azores are a part of Portugal

[Cheri Mello]

Spelling was always one of my strong subjects, so try really hard not to
let misspellings bother me, but in this case I really need to speak up.

The Azores are a part of Portugal, not Spain.  The language of the Azores
and Portugal is Portuguese, not Spanish.

The word for saint in Portuguese is Sao (properly, it's São).  The word for
saint in Spanish is San.

I know there are many areas of the U.S. that touch the Mexican border and
for those of us in these areas, we may encounter the Spanish language more
frequently, so we may not even notice the San instead of Sao, since San is
so familiar to us.  They even have lots of cities named in Spanish after
saints (San Francisco is one).

So if you are in the habit of typing San on this list, or are new to
Portuguese genealogy and didn't realize the difference, please put a
post-it on your computer that says: Sao Miguel, Sao Jorge, or Sao whatever
(if that is your freguesia).

People write me and say, for example, that they remember a post about Sao
Vicente on Sao Miguel and they can't find it in the archive.  So I search
the archive by typing in Sao Vicente and Sao Miguel and I can't find it
either.  Then I have to play around with the San and even sometimes the
translation into English.

Please, please, please, stick with the Portuguese spelling!

P.S.  On Sao Miguel...it's MiGuel...a G in there...not a Q.  That one makes
the message impossible to find in the archive.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Diane,
 
My info is also from NEPSAlexandre Fereira and Madalena Furtado are my 6th 
great grandparents as they are yours. I descend through their daughter, 
Francisca Inacia.
 
I will look in the CCA and find their marriage record and see if it gives us 
more info to follow. 
 
Nancy Jean
 
From: digeorg...@hotmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:32:59 -0700

Nancy Jean, I have the same couple in my database as my 6th great grandparents, 
also from Candelaria, but the birthdates are in 1668 and 1666 and I do not have 
a marriage date.  The data is from the NEPS database, but doesn’t sound right 
because Madalena would have been 60 when  the daughter Francisca Inacia was 
born (1726). The links to the data for Alexandre are 
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=alexandrre;n=ferreira,
 and 
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=cmadalena&lang=en&m=NG&n=Alexandre++Ferreira&t=PN
 I am not sure how to interpret this information at this point. Do you have 
data from a different source? Diane George  From: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:14 AM
To: azores group; azores group
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David Hi David,
 
I noticed your Ferreira from LajesI have an Alexandre  Ferreira,born ? in 
Lajes married in 1724 to Madalena Furtado born in Candelaria. They had 3 
children all born in Candelaria.
 
Regards,
Nancy Jean
 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 20:49:40 -0700
From: dsdscorn...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico names for David

Thanks, Marie...  I checked out the various Macedos, but no connection point is 
yet apparent between our trees.  I also couldn't locate your Silveira Cardosos 
in the CITCEM/NEPS database -- do you know if they're in there?

David da Silva Cornell

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 5:17:42 AM UTC-4, seek...@aol.com wrote:David, I will 
give you the names that you mentioned that you are interested in that I have 
from Lajes.   I'll start with just a few at a time: Silveira Cardoso:   Antonio 
Silveira Cardoso (1747-1813); Alferes Jose Silveira Cardoso (1717-1791) Macedo 
(and combinations) Maria Macedo Ascencao (1825-1892); Maria Macedo Ascencao 
(1792-1836); Maria Luisa Macedo (1853-1936); Manuel Macedo Bettencourt 
(1819-1890); Maria Macedo Bettencourt ( 1848-1928); Jose Macedo Bonitinho 
(1840-1913); Jose Vieira Macedo (1855-1921); Antonio Macedo Evangelho Portugal 
(1843-1915); Francisco Macedo Evangelho (b. 1822); Francisco Macedo Evangelho 
(d. 1908); Manuel Macedo Evangelho (b. 1784); Manuel Macedo Evangelho 
(1746-1822); Rosa Perpetua Macedo Evangelho (d. 1855); Catarina Macedo Jesus 
(1850-1915); Manuel Joaquim Brum Macedo Bettencourt (1855-1918); Francisca 
Conceicao Macedo Jesus (1853-1919); Antonio Macedo Machado (b. 1816); Isabel 
Francisca Macedo (1827-1913); Manuel Macedo Mancebo Evangelho (b. 1808); Jose 
Macedo Portugal Evangelho (1840-1908); Francisco Macedo Portugal (b. 1863); 
Maria Macedo Serqueria (d. 1935); Maria Macedo Vieira (1858-1942); Manuel Jose 
Dutra Macedo (1789-1859); Catarina Macedo (b. 1780); Catarina Macedo (d. 1881); 
Catarina Macedo (1807-1851); Catarina Vicencia Macedo (b. 1815); Francisca 
Conceicao Macedo (1859-1908);Antonio Silveira Macedo (1862-1951). That's 
all for now.  I will send you some more that I have from Lajes. Marie Pleasant  
 

On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 8:03:18 PM UTC-7, David wrote: I have tried to locate 
online either some place from which I can purchase a copy of the book Familias 
da Ilha das Flores or else some library that has a copy I could request...  But 
no luck yet on either score.  Not even the Family History Library Catalog seems 
to list it...

I did locate on a cached page from the Azores Regional Government website an 
e-mail address for the author, who apparently had a role with a government 
agency, but the current version of the website no longer carries his name or 
that government e-mail address, so I have to assume he is no longer in that 
role and so the e-mail address is no longer effective.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could obtain a hard copy, or are 
they all gone and I just need to wait for the e-book version to get published 
(and in the meantime rely on the kindness of strangers for look-ups)?

So, pending my getting hands on a copy of the Familias book, I do need to ask 
for someone to do me the kindness of looking up a couple whom I located in the 
Lajes das Flores section of the Casais das Flores e do Corvo book, and letting 
me know in particular the names and birth dates of any children they had:

José Francisco Coelho [n. Lomba, Lajes das Flores, f.º de Manuel Furtado Coelho 
e de Isabel Furtado] c. 1844.09.01 c. Ana da Trindade [f.ª de Manuel Furtado 
Lourenço e de Maria da Tri

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Writing to you from Graciosa!

[Robert Camacho]

Lorraine
Good luck and have fun.  It sounds like you are having fun and things are 
turning out well for you.  When you get back you will have to fill in some 
details, as I was looking to do the same next year.  But was not sure how to do 
it and I would be traveling by myself.  I too have family from both Islands.




Thank  you
Bob Camacho
Researching the Island of Terceira for
da Costa,  Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera
Researching the Island  of Graciousa for
Reis
Researching the Island  of Madeira for
Camacho
Researching Brazil  for
Evangelho

 
 


-Original Message-
From: Lorraine D. Price 
To: azores 
Sent: Wed, May 15, 2013 7:10 am
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Writing to you from Graciosa!


I made it!  My husband and I are having a wonderful visit -Ponta 
Delgada,Terceira and now Graciosa, my father's homeland.  Beautiful vistas, 
delicious food, lovely people, amazing architecture and lots of wine!  And the 
weather's been good too.  Met with Joao Ventura for 4 hours reviewing my family 
research and then traveled the island of Terceira with him the next day.  Joao 
did amazing work tracing my family, so happy with the results and now we have a
 new good friend!  Off to the "tax office" today to try to locate my father's 
home location - know the street from his father's death record.   Wish me luck! 
 
I'll write more when I get home.  
Lorraine Price

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Military on Sao Jorge

[Eddie Machado]

Hey All,

I've run into a couple of references with family members being in the 
military. Is there any good webpages or books that discuss the military on 
the Sao Jorge during the 1700s?

Thanks,
Eddie

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New to group and need help. Mendonca, Freitas from Faja Grande, flores.

[João Ventura]

Hi Jason,

Your great grandfather's baptism record seems to be this one (nº25): 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAGRANDE-B-1861-1889/FLR-LF-FAJAGRANDE-B-1861-1889_item1/P226.html

Note that it says that he was born in September 4th.

Looking at the 'Casais das Flores' book, these are the details of his 
marriage to your great-grandmother: António José de Mendonça [21 anos, f.º 
de António José de Mendonça e de Maria Inácia] c. 1899.05.06 c. Maria de 
Freitas de Mendonça [21 anos, f.ª natural de Maria da Conceição do Espírito 
Santo].

Your great-great-grandparents marriage record is in the 'Fajazinha' parish 
from which the 'Faja Grande' was detached in 1861: António José de Mendonça 
[f.º de Caetano José de Mendonça e de Inácia Rosa] c. 1850.08.31 c. Maria 
Inácia do Coração de Jesus [f.ª de António Coelho Ramos e de Maria Inácia].

If you're going to research Flores, you should get the 'Casais das Flores' 
e-book. It's very cheap and you'll help to support the author who did an 
amazing job.

Happy researching,

João Ventura

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:37:50 AM UTC+2, Jason Brown wrote:
>
> Please Help,
>
> During my family tree research, I have hit a brick wall when it comes to 
> my Azores side.
>
> My Great Grandfather is,
>
> Antone Joseph Mendonca was born on August 4th, 1877 in Faji Grande, 
>
> Azores. He died on December 2nd, 1944 in Merced, California. He married 
>
> Marie Ignacio Freitas. 
>
> Timeline:
>
> Antone resided in 1935 in Merced, California. 
>
> He resided on April 1st, 1940 in Merced, California, United States.  
>
> He was born in 1878 in Portugal.  
>
> He resided in 1920 in Township 5, Merced, California.  
>
> Marie Ignacio Freitas was born on May 2nd, 1877 in Flores, Azores, 
>
> Portugal. She died on March 5th, 1943 in Merced, California. 
>
> Timeline:
>
>
> Marie resided in 1920 in Township 5, Merced, California. 
>
> She resided in 1935 in Merced, California. 
>
> She resided on 1 Apr 1940 in Merced, California, United States. 
>
>
>
>
> I have not been able to find any direct sources of their births in the 
> Azores. I have plenty of sources for when they were living in California. 
> But its like a black hole, once i hit Azores. Can anyone help?
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Writing to you from Graciosa!

[Lorraine D. Price]

I made it!  My husband and I are having a wonderful visit -Ponta 
Delgada,Terceira and now Graciosa, my father's homeland.  Beautiful vistas, 
delicious food, lovely people, amazing architecture and lots of wine!  And the 
weather's been good too.  Met with Joao Ventura for 4 hours reviewing my family 
research and then traveled the island of Terceira with him the next day.  Joao 
did amazing work tracing my family, so happy with the results and now we have a
 new good friend!  Off to the "tax office" today to try to locate my father's 
home location - know the street from his father's death record.   Wish me luck! 
 I'll write more when I get home.  
Lorraine Price

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