Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where to look before 1833 in Pico da Pedra

2014-09-27 Thread Cheri Mello 
Joe M,

Someone who researches Ribeira Grande will answer you, but I do notice Pico
de Pedra is between Calhetas and Rabo de Peixe. I helped someone years ago
and I swear it broke off from Rabo de Peixe but that's going off the top of
my head.  You'll have to wait for someone who researches there to let you
know or look in the early records that you have that will say if they were
previously from RdP.


Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rocha in Flores_ help with translation (one word that might unlock clues)

2014-09-27 Thread pico 
Hi Lara,When I was researching Armas on Flores for my cousins, it was for his paternal side from Flores. I am related to him on his maternal side where his mother is Rocha, but not from Flores.I can't fully answer you as to possible connections on Flores. I simply didn't follow every line I found connected to these Rochas on Flores. Just now to answer you, I see Rita Joaquina de Avelar and her parents Caetano Nunes and mother Isabel de Avelar. Maybe if I were to look for their ancestors, I would find there is a connection to a branch in my cousin's tree. Just didn't look.Eventually, because they are descendants of Terceira families, I do plan to complete my research on these Rochas on Flores. I didn't connect the ones you mentioned to their ancestors we're talking about, so there are additional chances of a connection to my cousins through all those ancestors.But when it comes to whether these people named Rocha with a link back to Terceira are my cousins and cousins of my late cousin Armas, then I can say it is very likely and I actually do have a few assumed connections that I have yet to prove. The surname Rocha itself is one of these connections, but it would be from about the middle 1500s. And there is a decent chance there is one branch that links to my direct paternal line in about 1600. Plus there are other surnames that indicate some more remote connections, like Borba, Vieira and others.This is one reason why I ask now whether your husband has ever considered getting DNA testing. If Rocha is on his direct paternal line then it leads to Terceira and that would be really interesting. But if it's on any maternal branch then Family Finder would be the way to go - at least to see if we share any small DNA segments.Finally, as a item of curiosity, there is a nice lady on this list named Shirl Sereque whose ancestor Miguel Sereque from Terceira married into a Flores family and just happens to be a Maria da Rocha who is a descendant of these same people. I haven't seen anything from her lately, but if she is reading messages, I'm sure she will speak up. And if she doesn't, I can send you her email in private.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rocha in Flores_ help with
translation (one word that might unlock clues)
From: Lara Muffley 
Date: Sat, September 27, 2014 6:39 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: mufflev...@gmail.com

João - Thanks so very much for your help and this information!! This will really help me go further back in time.I'll definitely buy the "Casais das Flores e do Corvo".Doug - I am researching my spouses lineage. The story: Three da Rocha brothers: Jacintho Ignacio, Antonio Ignacio and João Ignacio (who descend from the José Ignacio da Rocha in my post), came to Hawaii in 1895 (Braunfels). Tony and John remain in Hawaii, but Jess immigrates to California (Oakland area). I was excited to hear our Rocha's trace back to Terceira. Is my spouse a cousin of your cousin?Again- much thanks to you both! LaraOn Friday, September 26, 2014 10:17:01 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:Hi Lara,Are these your ancestors?I first noticed this Rocha family in Flores about 20 years ago while searching for my cousins named Armas.And thanks to Joao and the reference he gave, you know they came from Terceira.My Rocha line is also from Terceira.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rocha in Flores_ help with translation (one word that might unlock clues) From: João_Ventura  Date: Fri, September 26, 2014 9:50 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com  Lara,This is the extract of that marriage record in the "Casais das Flores e do Corvo":José Inácio da Rocha [n. São Pedro, Angra do Heroísmo, f.º de Manuel de Borba e de Francisca de Jesus] c. 1774.12.29 c. Rita Joaquina de Avelar [f.ª de Caetano Nunes e de Isabel de Avelar].You should definitively buy the book, if you're continuing Rita's line back in time: http://www.amazon.com/Casais-das-Flores-Corvo-Portuguese-ebook/dp/B00AQAOOF6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411749820&sr=8-1&keywords=casais+das+floresRita's parent's marriage is in page 481 of the ebook. It occurred in 1748.01.29.Note that you should still confirm if the actual parish records confirm the ebook extract, but Mr. Francisco Gomes's knowledge of Azorean paleography surpasses that of most people. If you buy the book, you'll get to the 1675 Great Brick Wall of Flores in no time.Best regards,João Venturahttp://tombo.pt/enOn Friday, 26 September 2014 16:39:34 UTC+2, Lara Muffley wrote:Hello Everyone- I'm interested in the ancestry of Antonio Ignacio Rocha (b. 1823 Santa Cruz, Matriz, Flores, d. 1878, Ribeira Grande, Matriz, Sao Miguel).I found his grandparents marriage record (see link below)Jose Ignacio da Rocha and

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] where to look before 1833 in Pico da Pedra

2014-09-27 Thread pico 
Hi Joe,I don't do research there unless by special request, but I believe the answer will come from the first few years of baptism and marriage when it says where the people are native. It will have some information like native of this or that freguesia, residents in this parish of Pico da Pedra.At least, that's how they word it in other newly formed freguesias in other islands.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] where to look before 1833 in Pico da Pedra
From: joe m 
Date: Sat, September 27, 2014 7:08 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I went as far  back as I could in Pico da Pedra Records  and would like to know which  area to resume search.  --   





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[AZORES-Genealogy] where to look before 1833 in Pico da Pedra

2014-09-27 Thread joe m 
I went as far  back as I could in Pico da Pedra Records  and would like to 
know which  area to resume search.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rocha in Flores_ help with translation (one word that might unlock clues)

2014-09-27 Thread Lara Muffley 
João - Thanks so very much for your help and this information!! This will 
really help me go further back in time.
I'll definitely buy the "Casais das Flores e do Corvo".

Doug - I am researching my spouses lineage. The story: Three da Rocha 
brothers: Jacintho Ignacio, Antonio Ignacio and João Ignacio (who descend 
from the José Ignacio da Rocha in my post), came to Hawaii in 1895 
(Braunfels). Tony and John remain in Hawaii, but Jess immigrates to 
California (Oakland area). I was excited to hear our Rocha's trace back to 
Terceira. Is my spouse a cousin of your cousin?

Again- much thanks to you both! Lara

On Friday, September 26, 2014 10:17:01 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:
>
> Hi Lara,
>
> Are these your ancestors?
>
> I first noticed this Rocha family in Flores about 20 years ago while 
> searching for my cousins named Armas.
>
> And thanks to Joao and the reference he gave, you know they came from 
> Terceira.
> My Rocha line is also from Terceira.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rocha in Flores_ help with translation
> (one word that might unlock clues)
> From: João_Ventura >
> Date: Fri, September 26, 2014 9:50 am
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
>
> Lara,
>
> This is the extract of that marriage record in the "Casais das Flores e do 
> Corvo":
>
> José Inácio da Rocha [n. São Pedro, Angra do Heroísmo, f.º de Manuel de 
> Borba e de Francisca de Jesus] c. 1774.12.29 c. Rita Joaquina de Avelar 
> [f.ª de Caetano Nunes e de Isabel de Avelar].
>
> You should definitively buy the book, if you're continuing Rita's line 
> back in time: 
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Casais-das-Flores-Corvo-Portuguese-ebook/dp/B00AQAOOF6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411749820&sr=8-1&keywords=casais+das+flores
>
> Rita's parent's marriage is in page 481 of the ebook. It occurred 
> in 1748.01.29.
>
> Note that you should still confirm if the actual parish records confirm 
> the ebook extract, but Mr. Francisco Gomes's knowledge of Azorean 
> paleography surpasses that of most people. If you buy the book, you'll get 
> to the 1675 Great Brick Wall of Flores in no time.
>
> Best regards,
>
> João Ventura
> http://tombo.pt/en
>
> On Friday, 26 September 2014 16:39:34 UTC+2, Lara Muffley wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone- 
>> I'm interested in the ancestry of Antonio Ignacio Rocha (b. 1823 Santa 
>> Cruz, Matriz, Flores, d. 1878, Ribeira Grande, Matriz, Sao Miguel).
>>
>> I found his grandparents marriage record (see link below)
>> Jose Ignacio da Rocha and Rita Joaquina (1774)
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1744-1808/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1744-1808_item1/P122.html
>>
>> I'm translating the document and am having some trouble reading the name 
>> of the island where Jose's parents (Manuel and Francisca) are from.
>> It almost looks like Terlegoa - ha! could it be Terceira? If anyone has a 
>> quick moment to help, that would be wonderful. 
>>
>> LM
>>
>>  
>>
> 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ships manifest from Porto, Portugal to Brazil around October 1911

2014-09-27 Thread Carolyn M 
Cheri,

One last comment…

 I recently attended some classes on Ancestry, and that was the 
instructor’s opinion as well, that Ancestry’s focus is primarily the 
U.S…and I agree.

  I don't know if this has been mentioned already regarding the UK section 
on Ancestry; it does show manifests with Portuguese emigrants coming in 
from other countries.  It's called:  UK Incoming Passenger Lists.

 The manifest that really surprised me was found on the UK Incoming 
Passenger Lists.  I always thought that my father caught a ship from Porto 
to England and then to Ellis Island, but in fact he went from Porto to 
River Plate, South America; from there he went to Liverpool, England and 
then caught a ship from Southampton, England to Ellis Island.  He is on a 
ship’s manifest list arriving in Liverpool.

 It’s the long way around, but apparently some emigrants took that route.

Thanks,

Carolyn

On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:36:16 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Carolyn,
>
> Ancestry is really American-centric.  They really don't have much for 
> other countries outside of America.  The countries they do have seem to be 
> English speaking (Canada, the UK).
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada 
>

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