[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealog Records and Cursive Writing
E, The solution to that will be quite simple.. Computers will be able to read cursive eventually (yes, even paleographic cursive...), and then the kids will simply ask the computer what is written on that page. We're the ones who have to slave over the records to try to read them. Unfortunately, it will still take many years for computers to advance to that stage.. João C. Ventura http://tombo.pt/en/ On Wednesday, 15 October 2014 19:48:31 UTC+2, E Sharp wrote: Funny Cheri would mention understanding cursive writing to one of our newbies as I was thinking the other day that if we don't translate these documents now, how will our grandchildren should they decide to take up genealogy in the future as many of them do not write cursive anymore and most, if not all, of the records are not only in Portuguese, Latin, Italian, etc. but they are also in cursive. When I write to my children/grandchildren, birthday cards, thank you note, etc., I always write in cursive in hopes they, at least, will be able to make out this hen-scratching as one of my grandchildren calls it. E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Howland
Thanks Dan I need to get that film for the FHC t r the collecting n On Oct 15, 2014 12:38 AM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote: George, it;s formal name is The Church of England in Portugal. Anglican Chaplaincy Ponta Delgada - the Congregation was later named St George's Church. I believe there are three (3) manuscripts on (35mm) microfilm. I'm not sure how to access the film by computer, but, perhaps you can on the LDS Family History website. https://familysearch.org/catalog-search Anyway, the link below should clarify the information I posted. http://www.worldcat.org/title/parish-registers-1827-1955/oclc/865607454 On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:32:29 PM UTC-4, Moreno22 wrote: Dan, I'm not familiar with a film for St. George Episcopal in S.Miguel On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com wrote: Howland was somewhere in California on the 1860, 1870, and 1880 census. He naturalized in Mass and that record is noted as lost on the naturalization index. Don't know George's source for the island of Faial. I just helped him out with a couple of California sources. Don't know if Faial has any civil registry films available. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com wrote: I also did a search on Family Search.org which listed a person of that name, minus the Garcia, christened in London, in 1860. His birthplace was given as the Isle of Man. Granted that this person could have been a relative, but it may have added more factual information that what has been revealed to date. Additionally, with all of the the varying dates, checking out the LDS films looks more viable. I mentioned it to George because I believe he still has access to the Dartmouth FHS, where the film collection includes all of the parishes in the Azores, including St. George Episcopal in S.Miguel. On Thursday, October 9, 2014 5:24:49 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Dano, I've pulled a few records from California for George. This Howland guy is all over the place. Depending on which source I look at, he could be born 1830, 1825, 1822, 1828. He seems to stick with 1825 throughout the 1880s, but that doesn't make it the right date. I think the guy was born sometime in the 1820s and that's as good as that's gonna get until his baptism is discovered. Someone is gonna need to test their DNA and then wait for significant matches to come in. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- www.georgepacheco.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealog Records and Cursive Writing
Joao, I live to see that day! LOL I really want to see a computer that can read some of the Priest's handwriting that I've been looking at for 25 years! Terrible! Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia Sicily On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:42 PM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote: E, The solution to that will be quite simple.. Computers will be able to read cursive eventually (yes, even paleographic cursive...), and then the kids will simply ask the computer what is written on that page. We're the ones who have to slave over the records to try to read them. Unfortunately, it will still take many years for computers to advance to that stage.. João C. Ventura http://tombo.pt/en/ On Wednesday, 15 October 2014 19:48:31 UTC+2, E Sharp wrote: Funny Cheri would mention understanding cursive writing to one of our newbies as I was thinking the other day that if we don't translate these documents now, how will our grandchildren should they decide to take up genealogy in the future as many of them do not write cursive anymore and most, if not all, of the records are not only in Portuguese, Latin, Italian, etc. but they are also in cursive. When I write to my children/grandchildren, birthday cards, thank you note, etc., I always write in cursive in hopes they, at least, will be able to make out this hen-scratching as one of my grandchildren calls it. E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealog Records and Cursive Writing
That day when a computer can read cursive might be closer than we realize.Already when we deposit checks they can read the correct amounts.And the Post Office can read hand-written addresses to automatically sort mail.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:42 PM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote:E,The solution to that will be quite simple.. Computers will be able to read cursive eventually (yes, even paleographic cursive...), and then the kids will simply ask the computer what is written on that page. We're the ones who have to slave over the records to try to read them.Unfortunately, it will still take many years for computers to advance to that stage..João C. Venturahttp://tombo.pt/en/ -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Gandmother's maiden name
Thanks! On Friday, October 10, 2014 5:28:46 PM UTC-4, Al Rose wrote: My great grandmother from Horta listed her maiden name, once she was in New Bedford, as Rodgers. I'd love to know what the original Portuguese name might have been. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I am curious about given name Manuel
Thank you everyone for your replies. Very interesting information about the King Manuel story and the beginning of the use of this given name in Portugal. It is correct that in Hebrew, it would be Emmanuel, which is Portuguese spelling at the time would probably be Emanuel, which later turned into Manuel or Manoel. Another thing I read about baby names in Portugal is that people could not use foreign names, only already established Portuguese names. For instance, you could not use Hannah, instead, it would have to be Anna and so son. Names could not use letters not found on Portuguese alphabet such as W or K. I am not sure about Y (no pun intended) because I have seen Portuguese names spelled with y instead of i (same sound) before. I think if one get a list of common names from a certain time, it would be easier to read documents since people had limited choices. By the way, my name is Roberta. Gmail is messing up with my name :) On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 9:08:29 PM UTC-7, A Faria wrote: . I did a little more research it appears that that King Manuel's name became associated with a period of Portuguese economic, artistic and political achievement. This is the earliest Manuel that I have found on my family tree. * Manuel da Rosa Vieira http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=en;p=manuel+da+rosa;n=vieira*, born on 27 November 1594, São Roque do Pico -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I am curious about given name Manuel
Roberta, If you go to the AzoresGenWeb site and click on 'resources' you can find the Portuguese Paleography and in it there are pages of given and surnames listed. I use it all of the time when I can figure out what a name might be (the cursive curse!!). Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia Sicily On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:53 PM, robertaing...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you everyone for your replies. Very interesting information about the King Manuel story and the beginning of the use of this given name in Portugal. It is correct that in Hebrew, it would be Emmanuel, which is Portuguese spelling at the time would probably be Emanuel, which later turned into Manuel or Manoel. Another thing I read about baby names in Portugal is that people could not use foreign names, only already established Portuguese names. For instance, you could not use Hannah, instead, it would have to be Anna and so son. Names could not use letters not found on Portuguese alphabet such as W or K. I am not sure about Y (no pun intended) because I have seen Portuguese names spelled with y instead of i (same sound) before. I think if one get a list of common names from a certain time, it would be easier to read documents since people had limited choices. By the way, my name is Roberta. Gmail is messing up with my name :) On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 9:08:29 PM UTC-7, A Faria wrote: . I did a little more research it appears that that King Manuel's name became associated with a period of Portuguese economic, artistic and political achievement. This is the earliest Manuel that I have found on my family tree. * Manuel da Rosa Vieira http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=en;p=manuel+da+rosa;n=vieira*, born on 27 November 1594, São Roque do Pico -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to decipher Obitos
I translated the wrong person on the other link. Please read the other one, it is pretty much the same thing as this one. This person was wrapped on the white shroud Aos treze de julho de mil oitocentos e trinta e trez falece da vida presente, sendo da idade de mais ou menos trinta dias, digo* trinta anos sem receber o sacramento slgum pella molestia ...(names etc) --- then it finishes like the other one I just sent you On July 13th, 1833 dies , without receiving the sacrament due the disease (then add the names here and finishes like the other one * that was a Oops on the part of the writer On Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:16:21 AM UTC-7, Maryann Santos wrote: I'm trying to figure out the death record for Albina Maria Barbosa (right page center) but can't seem to figure out the last four lines - something about a white shroud? Any help would be appreciated. As always, thanks! MaryAnn http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-O-1817-1839/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-O-1817-1839_item1/P125.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to decipher Obitos
Aos vinte e nove de maio de mil oitocentos e trinta e trez, falece da vida presente, tendo de idade de mais ou menos hum anno, Manuel, filho de Joao de Mello Afonso e Rosa de Medeiros, fregueses dessa Paroquia dos Santos Reis Magos lugar dos Ferraz de Vera Cruz. E' sepultado o se copro dpois de envolto em sua mortalha branca e' acompanhado do Reverendo (?) Colegio dela deste (? Igreja ?) na Igreja NOssa Senhora da Ajuda do convento de Sao Franciso desde lugar (?) pra constar fio este termo dia e mez e (?Era?). Sig. Vigario Francisco Jacinto Translation word for word: On May 9th, 1833. Fall from this present life, being of an age of about um year old, Manuel, son of Joao Mello Afonso and Rosa de Medeiros. Members/Clients of this Parish Paroquia dos Santos Reis Magos* location of Ferraz de Vera Cruz**. His body was buried after it was wrapped on his white shroud. He was accompanied by Reverend (?) Colegio*** of this location (? Church ?) of the Church of Nossa Senhora da Ajuda do convent of Sao Francisco of this location. I am signing this to attest this event on day and month and (?Year?) * Name of the Church is Parish of the Saint King Maggi (the 3 maggi from the nativity story) ** Name of the neighborhood I guess, Ferraz (given name) of True Cross *** Colegio means school for priests or nuns, which usually do have a built in church/chapel, not sure if it has to do with it. Maybe a chapel inside the school? Name of the Chruch is Our Lady of Help What I could not understand was because I am not used to this type of document, since it is from Portugal. I am more familiar with the ones from Brazil. Hope it helps. About wrapped on a cloth, it seems that it was common at this location. One thing that I would point out, it is that it was a child. On Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:16:36 AM UTC-7, Maryann Santos wrote: I'm trying to figure out the death record for Albina Maria Barbosa (right page center) but can't seem to figure out the last four lines - something about a white shroud? Any help would be appreciated. As always, thanks! MaryAnn http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-O-1817-1839/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-O-1817-1839_item1/P125.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I am curious about given name Manuel
I agree Doug the given names were quite interesting in the 1500's one that I like is Cosmo, which translates to Universe. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:12:19 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Very interesting observation, Antonio. We sure do see some of the more unusual first names with our ancestors from the 1500s. Some of my favorites which are not really limited to the 1500s are Melchior, Baltazar, Gaspar, Bras, Amador, Gabriel, and it's not a favorite, but a curious one is Garcia as a first name, not surname. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I am curious about given name Manuel From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Wed, October 15, 2014 4:07 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Hello Everyone, I just looked through a list of the original settlers on Pico island in the Azores 100 plus men on the list written approximately 1509, there isn't a single Manuel on that list the most common name on that list is Joao there were eighteen of them. It is hard to believe that there was a time in the Azores when the given name Manuel wasn't used. Perhaps someone could verify if this was the case on the other islands. I have a hunch that the given name Manuel became popular due to King Manuel I of Portugal. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] FELICIANO
Searching for info on Joao Feliciano family from San Miguel, Azores in late 1800s to Hawaii. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
