Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Genetic Distance

[Cheri Mello]

It's saying that there's no 67 or 37 marker matches.  You dad has 25 marker
matches.  But since I.T. has been messing around, let me give it a couple
of days.

Cheri

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> I forgot to mention this was a result on a YDNA 67 test
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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Genetic Distance

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I forgot to mention this was a result on a YDNA 67 test

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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Genetic Distance

[Herb]

Can anyone explain what is a genetic distance of zero as it relates to DNA 
family Finder test? Thanks, Herb

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Reconciling Information

[Pam Santos]

I have done research on my moms Spanish ancestors in New Mexico the
children take paternal then maternal name but not always both. When the
females were married they kept their surname (at least in New Mexico)

On Thursday, March 19, 2015, E. Sharp  wrote:

> Eric, Joao
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> I think I need a big glass of Portuguese wine after all those name changes
> and I don't drink
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with grooms mothers name in Faial da Terra, SM marriage record`

[Lee]

Thanks, Margaret.  Now you can see whty I needed a second "pair" of eyes.  I 
had it completely wrong!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Reconciling Information

[E. Sharp]

Eric, Joao

I think I need a big glass of Portuguese wine after all those name changes and 
I don't drink

"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with grooms mothers name in Faial da Terra, SM marriage record`

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Lee,

It's Maria Teixeira. The other is Catharina (Catarina).

All else is correct.

Margaret

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Lee  wrote:

> With the help of JR who pointed me in the right direction; I finally found
> the marriage record of my "elusive" Manoel Rapozo Abeilha's parents Manoel
> Rapozo and Maria de Ceo.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1742-1756/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1742-1756_item1/P56.html
>
> Bottom of right page and top of next page (left side)
>
> I read the date as December 9, 1752.
>
> Manoel Rapozo(so) son of Manoel Rapozo(so) and Maria Ferreira???
> and
> Maria de Ceo daughter of Joam da Costa and Catherina Rapozo(so)
>
> Am, I reading Manoel's mothers name correctly as Ferreira?
>
> Any help greatly appreciated!
>
> Lee Estep,
> Oak Hill WV
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Reconciling Information

[luiznoia .]

I found the format incorrect. My father's family comes from Spain and
Mexico and I've worked with thousand of records over the last 20 years.

Joao Ventura has the more correct form.Jesus Gonzales and Maria
Moreno marry.

She becomes Maria Moreno  Gonzales, or in older form Maria Moreno de
Gonzales

When her husband died, she becomes Maria Moreno Vda de Gonzales  (Vda-
viuda, widow of)

If their son is named Jesus, then he is named Jesus Gonzlaes Moreno.

Some times the new compound surname becomes a surname and a marriage adds
to that.

Example from my family-

Francisco Robledo married Angela Montante, their son is Heladio Robledo
Montante

Heladio Robledo Montante then married Margaret Edgar

Their child is Heladio Robledo Edgar. Because the family moves back and
forth between the US and Mexico, the surname becomes compound

Heladio Robledo Edgar marries Artemia Calleja, and she is now Artemia
Robledo Edgar de Calleja


Although, at the time I was born , the US couldn't grasp the compound
 surname, I'm Eric Allan " Robledo Edgar" but legally Eric A R Edgar


What this has to do with Portuguese geneaolgy, is the compound surname
issue. You will see this as " Correia de Melo" "de Rosa Duarte"  "
Ferreira de Avila" etc..

These name get passed down as compound for generations, until they arrive
in the US. The they usually lose one of those . It could become a middle
name.

The first part could be dropped. The second part could be dropped, often
I've seen the first part dropped and the second contracted with the De.

So If you're looking for a  Francisco Ferreira de Avila,now in the US  he
may be :

Frank Ferreira

Frank Avila

Frank F de Avila

Frank Diavila, Deavala, or Davilla

or he could have chucked it all, and  is now Frank Smith


Eric Edgar





On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:23 PM, João Ventura  wrote:

> Hi Anthony,
>
> Really nice indeeed, just one small point when you mention the Spanish
> naming tradition. You've got it wrong. See here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs#Generational_transmission
>
> You wrote: For example, if a couple named Jesus Gonzales and Maria Moreno
> had children, their children would use the 'surname' Moreno Gonzales.
>
> The correct order in Spain (the one in Europe) would actually be Gonzales
> Moreno (paternal+maternal). And the maternal 'Moreno' would be dropped when
> naming the children. It's extremely confusing to tell you the truth, and
> i'm used to the Portuguese two-surname tradition that's basically the same,
> except it's maternal+paternal.
>
> It may be that you're right when describing those traditions when applied
> to some other Spanish-speaking individuals, but in that case don't call
> them Spanish or you'll risk confusing your audience.
>
> João Ventura
> http://tombo.pt/en
>
>
> On Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:28:50 UTC+1, Anthony Martin wrote:
>>
>> I wrote up a blog post that discusses my search process when trying to
>> find individuals for whom you have limited information. I'm posting this in
>> hopes that it is helpful to someone.
>>
>> Here's the link: http://thetreeandbranch.blogspot.com/2015/03/
>> reconcile-information-is-this-correct.html
>>
>> Any feedback would be great!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pereira, Maia on Sao Miguel

[RaymondShea]

Hi Melody, thanks for your message.  I will answer in more detail in the next 
few days. I'm scheduled for a couple of things today and tomorrow, but will be 
back for sure! 

Best wishes,

Raymond


On Mar 19, 2015, at 4:54 PM, IslandRoutes wrote:

Hello Raymond,
I don't have Pereira in Maia as yet.  However, I have ancestry in that village 
going back many generations.  I can also trace some current lines to Hawaii 
(and then California) and to Massachusetts and Rhode Island.

If you come up with more information on ancestry in Maia, please post it.  If 
you hit de Mello Castanho, Pacheco de Resendes, Pacheco Remigio, or de Braga in 
the 1800s, there is a very good chance we are related.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with grooms mothers name in Faial da Terra, SM marriage record`

[Lee]

With the help of JR who pointed me in the right direction; I finally found 
the marriage record of my "elusive" Manoel Rapozo Abeilha's parents Manoel 
Rapozo and Maria de Ceo.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1742-1756/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1742-1756_item1/P56.html

Bottom of right page and top of next page (left side)

I read the date as December 9, 1752.

Manoel Rapozo(so) son of Manoel Rapozo(so) and Maria Ferreira???
and 
Maria de Ceo daughter of Joam da Costa and Catherina Rapozo(so)

Am, I reading Manoel's mothers name correctly as Ferreira?

Any help greatly appreciated!

Lee Estep, 
Oak Hill WV

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pereira, Maia on Sao Miguel

[IslandRoutes]

Hello Raymond,
I don't have Pereira in Maia as yet.  However, I have ancestry in that 
village going back many generations.  I can also trace some current lines 
to Hawaii (and then California) and to Massachusetts and Rhode Island.

If you come up with more information on ancestry in Maia, please post it.  
If you hit de Mello Castanho, Pacheco de Resendes, Pacheco Remigio, or de 
Braga in the 1800s, there is a very good chance we are related.

Melody
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Reconciling Information

[João Ventura]

Hi Anthony,

Really nice indeeed, just one small point when you mention the Spanish 
naming tradition. You've got it wrong. See 
here: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs#Generational_transmission

You wrote: For example, if a couple named Jesus Gonzales and Maria Moreno 
had children, their children would use the 'surname' Moreno Gonzales.

The correct order in Spain (the one in Europe) would actually be Gonzales 
Moreno (paternal+maternal). And the maternal 'Moreno' would be dropped when 
naming the children. It's extremely confusing to tell you the truth, and 
i'm used to the Portuguese two-surname tradition that's basically the same, 
except it's maternal+paternal.

It may be that you're right when describing those traditions when applied 
to some other Spanish-speaking individuals, but in that case don't call 
them Spanish or you'll risk confusing your audience.

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:28:50 UTC+1, Anthony Martin wrote:
>
> I wrote up a blog post that discusses my search process when trying to 
> find individuals for whom you have limited information. I'm posting this in 
> hopes that it is helpful to someone.
>
> Here's the link: 
> http://thetreeandbranch.blogspot.com/2015/03/reconcile-information-is-this-correct.html
>
> Any feedback would be great!
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] What surname is this?

[Hermano C. Pires]

At the risk of ruffling some feathers. Here is my two cents worth: I can't make 
out precisely what the surname is but It can't be Pacheco because 3 lines above 
where it is there is the name of the cura Jose Ignacio de Souza Pacheco and it 
bears no resemblance to it.HermanoFrom: m...@nyu.edu
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:01:41 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What surname is this?
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I thought there was an "x" in the word.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Eliseu Pacheco  wrote:
The word is PACHECO (Paxeco). 

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

No dia 16/03/2015, às 11:31, Margaret Vicente  
escreveu:

Andrew,
on the 2nd link it is visible to me "Ricaço"
Watch for the "," underneath the last c.
Margaret 
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:08 AM, MaryAnn Santos  wrote:
Hi Andrew, 
It certainly is a tricky one. I don't think it's an "R" because the down stroke 
are pretty evident and consistent in the document. It could be a "P" and my 
first thought was Peixoto but there don't seem to be enough letters in the work 
and the "t" - if it is a "t" - isn't crossed. 
Sorry I can't be of more help.
By the way, if you're related to José Eusebio Raposo (sapteiro) who married 
Maria Leite Barbosa 22 July 1897 Divino Espirito Santo, Maia we're related. 
Maria was my grandmother, Ermelinda Leite Barbosa's older sister.
MaryAnn
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Andrew Rapoza  wrote:
I forget that in this era I can send links to these records. Wow, what a 
miraculous age we live in! Here they are. 
The surname in question on the left page shows up on the 10th line up from the 
bottom of the entry text.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1755-1768/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1755-1768_item1/P13.html
The same surname in question on the left page shows up on the 10th line up from 
the bottom of the entry text.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1768-1783/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1768-1783_item1/P72.html

Thanks again for everyone's help. I suspect, by the way, that they are Pexico, 
perhaps an ancient spelling of Pacheco? Thanks again. 
--Andy Rapoza

On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 11:26:01 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:It won't 
open for me. Can you send the links to the documents so everyone can see it?

Cheri





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another child for Vicente Rabello & Anna

['Denise' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Paul,

You’re welcome, there are many helpful people on this list that helped me 
tremendously when I first started out.

I think it is very important when we respond to requests like this to give the 
name as it is spelled within the record so that the person making the request 
can then go back and try to understand the very old and difficult to read 
handwriting.  When I responded with the name Izidorio, I probably should have 
said that name would now be spelled as Isidoro.  If I had given the name to you 
as Isidoro, and you went back to try and figure it out, you would see the name 
has an io at the end and it wouldn’t make sense to you.  As you add more names 
to your tree, you will start to be able to make more sense of the spellings in 
the older records.  

Always feel free to request help!  Good luck with your tree!

Denise D’Antona


> On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Paul  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. I would not have come up with that name. 'Iz' nor 'Is' never crossed 
> my mind. I did try to find similar letters and thought the second letter 
> might have been an L, looking at Manoel (third line up from the bottom). I 
> will go with the more experienced genealogists and bettter readers of 
> baptismo records.
>  
> Paul G.
>  
> 
> On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 1:31:00 AM UTC-4, Dano wrote:
> Child's name is Isidoro; Godfather is Nicolau de Souza.
> 
> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 12:58:33 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
> Record is on the bottom of the right page. I can not read the childs name 
> (again), though it does not look like the godfather's given name (at least to 
> me).
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1757-1770/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1757-1770_item1/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1757-1770_JPG/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1757-1770_0107.jpg
>  
> 
>  
> Thanks again,
>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help

[Cheri Mello]

Tombo.pt is just a template that reformats the display for the CCA.  Once
you see the actual record, you will see that your URL in  your address bar
no longer shows the tombo.pt/blah/blah/blah but
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/blah.blah.blah

When you are on your actual record, copy that URL.  Don't type up how you
navigated to it.  You could make a typo in the navigation, or someone could
misread and go to the wrong record.  A lot of time would be wasted on the
wrong record.  You notice that everyone on this lists posts URLs from the
CCA.  They are much longer.  And they say it's "bottom left" or whatever.
Here's one for Maria, #30, left page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1890-1899/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1890-1899_item1/P12.html

If I needed help, no one would have a question at all about which record I
am referring to.
Cheri

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Liz Migliori  wrote:

> What's the CCA site?
> I always use tombo
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 18, 2015, at 10:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Liz,
>
> Post the URL to the CCA site, not the Tombo site.  I'm not going to make a
> mistake in navigating to the incorrect record and help translate just to be
> told that I've clicked on the wrong record.  Copy the URL for your record
> from the CCA site and post that so everyone knows we are looking at the
> correct record.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another child for Vicente Rabello & Anna

[Shirley Allegre]

It looks like Izidorio.   Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:58 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another child for Vicente Rabello & Anna


  Record is on the bottom of the right page. I can not read the childs name 
(again), though it does not look like the godfather's given name (at least to 
me).

  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1757-1770/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1757-1770_item1/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1757-1770_JPG/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1757-1770_0107.jpg

  Thanks again,

  Paul G.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help

[Edna Epps]

Jose  born 9-12-1886
Father: Ambrosio Francisco
Mother: Maria Rosa de Conceicao
Paternal Grandparents: Father unknown, Mother Maria Luisa, Single
Maternal Grandparents: Father: Antonio Silviera Furtado, Mother: Rosa Maria
Godparents: Jose Silviera Frtado , widower and God Mother is the paternal 
Grandmother Maria Luisa.

This is how I read the record.
❤ Edna 
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You are a letter from Christ ❤
2 Corinthians 3:3: You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of 
our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not 
on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 

On Mar 18, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  wrote:

Tombo site Cedros Baptism pg 69 bottom & 70 year 1886
http://tombo .pt/en/f/hrt04#B 


Can someone please translate for me
I think It's Jose Francisco Silveira  Sept ?1886 
 Father Ambrosio ??? 
 Mother Rosa ???
Does it give any grandparents or ages of parents

Thank You
Liz


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help

[Liz Migliori]

What's the CCA site?
I always use tombo

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2015, at 10:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Liz,
> 
> Post the URL to the CCA site, not the Tombo site.  I'm not going to make a 
> mistake in navigating to the incorrect record and help translate just to be 
> told that I've clicked on the wrong record.  Copy the URL for your record 
> from the CCA site and post that so everyone knows we are looking at the 
> correct record.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
> Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Another child for Vicente Rabello & Anna

[Paul]

Thanks. I would not have come up with that name. 'Iz' nor 'Is' never 
crossed my mind. I did try to find similar letters and thought the second 
letter might have been an L, looking at Manoel (third line up from the 
bottom). I will go with the more experienced genealogists and bettter 
readers of baptismo records.
 
Paul G.
 

On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 1:31:00 AM UTC-4, Dano wrote:

> Child's name is Isidoro; Godfather is Nicolau de Souza.
>
> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 12:58:33 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
>>
>> Record is on the bottom of the right page. I can not read the childs name 
>> (again), though it *does not* look like the godfather's given name (at 
>> least to me).
>>  
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1757-1770/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1757-1770_item1/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1757-1770_JPG/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1757-1770_0107.jpg
>>  
>> Thanks again,
>>  
>> Paul G.
>>
>

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