[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal Rec. interpretation - Ribeiras, Pico - Jose - 14 Apr 1743

[Kawika322]

I think that this may be the baptismal record for one of my ancestors I am 
looking for, but am not sure. Based on the marriage record of Jose with his 
wife Maria de Encarnacao from Ribeira Seca Sao Jorge, his parents are 
listed as Joao Luis Goulart and Luiza Silveira from Ribeiras, Pico. Does 
this baptismal record look like it could be the correct one? It looks like 
the father Joao Luis is a native of the Island of ??

Record is on bottom left:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749_item1/P87.html

Also, here is the marriage record of Jose Silveira Luis and Maria 
Encarnacao from Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge, giving the parents names. 

Record is on left side of page:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1764-1803/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1764-1803_item1/P27.html


Thanks, 

 David




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faial the Island or Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel?

[Manoel Cesar]

Here's what I have in my notes. I hope you can read portuguese:

. Bárbara, b. 12.7.1609 - CCA #88. Filha de Manuel Roiz (sic)* e Maria
Luiz. Pd: Luiz Teixeira e Marta de Flores.

*Obs.: O pároco fez confusão com o nome de Manuel de Faria. Há nessa época
em São Pedro da Ribeira Grande o casal Manuel Roiz e Maria Luiz que batiza
uma filha de nome Águeda justamente em 9.3.1609 - CCA #87. É impossível
quatro meses depois terem uma outra filha!! Em 22.8.1610 - CCA #90, Manuel
Roiz e Maria Luiz batizam uma outra filha de nome Maria, e novamente deve
ser erro do pároco e o nome correto do pai é Manuel de Faria, pois em
12.1.1611 - CCA #90 o pároco registra um outro batismo, cujo nome da
criança não foi anotado, do casal Manuel Roiz e Maria Luiz!!

Manoel



2016-01-18 22:12 GMT-02:00 Sandra Perez :

> Manoel, do you have Barbara Roiz' birth?  JR and I have trading info
> today.  I am a distant cousin to his wife. I descend from Manoel Faria and
> Maria Luis' son Ventura Rois--my 9th great-grandfather.  I will forward
> that to you.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:24 PM, mances  wrote:
>
>> Júlio,
>>
>> Miguel da Rocha and Bárbara Roiz are my ancestors too.
>> I descend from their daughter Maria de Faria who married Matias Pereira
>> in São Pedro, Ribeira Grande, on 3 jul 1666. Matias was from Rabo de Peixe.
>>
>> I have a lot of ancestors in Ribeira Grande living in the late 1500s and
>> early 1600s.
>>
>> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>>
>>
>> Em segunda-feira, 18 de janeiro de 2016 18:51:36 UTC-2, Júlio escreveu:
>>>
>>> This couple are my ancestors. his daughter Barbara Rodrigues married on
>>> 29 Feb 1640 in Ribeira Seca, with Miguel da Rocha born on 1 Oct 1618 in
>>> Ribeira Seca, Son of Manuel da Rocha and Ana Ponte (these married 3 Dec
>>> 1613). This couple had another daughter named Ana Luis married to 8 Apr
>>> 1630 at Ribeira Seca with António de Sousa son Domingos Afonso and Isabel
>>> Rodrigues de Sousa.
>>>
>>> segunda-feira, 18 de Janeiro de 2016 às 13:19:01 UTC-1, Sandra Perez
>>> escreveu:

 Thank you everyone.

 On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> It's Faial da Terra, even though the priest didn't write it out.
> You're in 1603, and paper and ink weren't exactly in abundance. And as
> someone said earlier, they would state "ilha da Faial" for "island of
> Faial" if someone came from there.
> Cheri
> On Jan 17, 2016 8:35 PM, "Ângela Loura"  wrote:
>
>> I would say the island of Faial, becausa i don't know anyone that
>> reffers to Faial da Terra only by 'Faial'.
>>
>> 2016-01-18 2:34 GMT+00:00 Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> rfrancis...@comcast.net>:
>>
>>> *I would say Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel, it does not say Ilha with
>>> Faial*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>
>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Sandra Perez
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:46 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy Google Group
>>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Faial the Island or Faial da Terra,
>>> Sao Miguel?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Manoel Faria and Maria Luis married 7 Jan 1603 in R. Seca, R.
>>> Grande.  It says Manoel was nal.  ? ? Faial.  Is this Sao Miguel or the
>>> Isalnd.  Top left.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1577-1666/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1577-1666_item1/P27.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faial the Island or Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel?

[Sandra Perez]

Manoel, do you have Barbara Roiz' birth?  JR and I have trading info
today.  I am a distant cousin to his wife. I descend from Manoel Faria and
Maria Luis' son Ventura Rois--my 9th great-grandfather.  I will forward
that to you.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:24 PM, mances  wrote:

> Júlio,
>
> Miguel da Rocha and Bárbara Roiz are my ancestors too.
> I descend from their daughter Maria de Faria who married Matias Pereira in
> São Pedro, Ribeira Grande, on 3 jul 1666. Matias was from Rabo de Peixe.
>
> I have a lot of ancestors in Ribeira Grande living in the late 1500s and
> early 1600s.
>
> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>
>
> Em segunda-feira, 18 de janeiro de 2016 18:51:36 UTC-2, Júlio escreveu:
>>
>> This couple are my ancestors. his daughter Barbara Rodrigues married on
>> 29 Feb 1640 in Ribeira Seca, with Miguel da Rocha born on 1 Oct 1618 in
>> Ribeira Seca, Son of Manuel da Rocha and Ana Ponte (these married 3 Dec
>> 1613). This couple had another daughter named Ana Luis married to 8 Apr
>> 1630 at Ribeira Seca with António de Sousa son Domingos Afonso and Isabel
>> Rodrigues de Sousa.
>>
>> segunda-feira, 18 de Janeiro de 2016 às 13:19:01 UTC-1, Sandra Perez
>> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Thank you everyone.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 It's Faial da Terra, even though the priest didn't write it out. You're
 in 1603, and paper and ink weren't exactly in abundance. And as someone
 said earlier, they would state "ilha da Faial" for "island of Faial" if
 someone came from there.
 Cheri
 On Jan 17, 2016 8:35 PM, "Ângela Loura"  wrote:

> I would say the island of Faial, becausa i don't know anyone that
> reffers to Faial da Terra only by 'Faial'.
>
> 2016-01-18 2:34 GMT+00:00 Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancis...@comcast.net>:
>
>> *I would say Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel, it does not say Ilha with
>> Faial*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Sandra Perez
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:46 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy Google Group
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Faial the Island or Faial da Terra,
>> Sao Miguel?
>>
>>
>>
>> Manoel Faria and Maria Luis married 7 Jan 1603 in R. Seca, R.
>> Grande.  It says Manoel was nal.  ? ? Faial.  Is this Sao Miguel or the
>> Isalnd.  Top left.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1577-1666/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1577-1666_item1/P27.html
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faial the Island or Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel?

[mances]

Júlio,

Miguel da Rocha and Bárbara Roiz are my ancestors too.
I descend from their daughter Maria de Faria who married Matias Pereira in 
São Pedro, Ribeira Grande, on 3 jul 1666. Matias was from Rabo de Peixe.

I have a lot of ancestors in Ribeira Grande living in the late 1500s and 
early 1600s.

Manoel Cesar Furtado

Em segunda-feira, 18 de janeiro de 2016 18:51:36 UTC-2, Júlio escreveu:
>
> This couple are my ancestors. his daughter Barbara Rodrigues married on 29 
> Feb 1640 in Ribeira Seca, with Miguel da Rocha born on 1 Oct 1618 in 
> Ribeira Seca, Son of Manuel da Rocha and Ana Ponte (these married 3 Dec 
> 1613). This couple had another daughter named Ana Luis married to 8 Apr 
> 1630 at Ribeira Seca with António de Sousa son Domingos Afonso and Isabel 
> Rodrigues de Sousa.
>
> segunda-feira, 18 de Janeiro de 2016 às 13:19:01 UTC-1, Sandra Perez 
> escreveu:
>>
>> Thank you everyone.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> It's Faial da Terra, even though the priest didn't write it out. You're 
>>> in 1603, and paper and ink weren't exactly in abundance. And as someone 
>>> said earlier, they would state "ilha da Faial" for "island of Faial" if 
>>> someone came from there.
>>> Cheri
>>> On Jan 17, 2016 8:35 PM, "Ângela Loura"  wrote:
>>>
 I would say the island of Faial, becausa i don't know anyone that 
 reffers to Faial da Terra only by 'Faial'.

 2016-01-18 2:34 GMT+00:00 Richard Francis Pimentel <
 rfrancis...@comcast.net>:

> *I would say Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel, it does not say Ilha with 
> Faial*
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
>  
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *Sandra Perez
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:46 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy Google Group
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Faial the Island or Faial da Terra, Sao 
> Miguel?
>
>  
>
> Manoel Faria and Maria Luis married 7 Jan 1603 in R. Seca, R. Grande.  
> It says Manoel was nal.  ? ? Faial.  Is this Sao Miguel or the Isalnd.  
> Top 
> left.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1577-1666/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1577-1666_item1/P27.html
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faial the Island or Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel?

[JR]

Thanks for all that information, Manuel and Julio. And thank you for the 
children's baptisms Sandra!

Does anyone know if this the same Manuel Faria that married Beatriz da 
Silva in RSSP, May 13- 1598. He was also viuvo of unnamed spouse and she is 
filha de Ambrosio de Fontes and Maria da Silva, all natives or residents of 
RSSP.

JR

On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 8:54:58 PM UTC-5, mances wrote:
>
> Here's what I have in my notes. I hope you can read portuguese:
>
> . Bárbara, b. 12.7.1609 - CCA #88. Filha de Manuel Roiz (sic)* e Maria 
> Luiz. Pd: Luiz Teixeira e Marta de Flores.
>
> *Obs.: O pároco fez confusão com o nome de Manuel de Faria. Há nessa época 
> em São Pedro da Ribeira Grande o casal Manuel Roiz e Maria Luiz que batiza 
> uma filha de nome Águeda justamente em 9.3.1609 - CCA #87. É impossível 
> quatro meses depois terem uma outra filha!! Em 22.8.1610 - CCA #90, Manuel 
> Roiz e Maria Luiz batizam uma outra filha de nome Maria, e novamente deve 
> ser erro do pároco e o nome correto do pai é Manuel de Faria, pois em 
> 12.1.1611 - CCA #90 o pároco registra um outro batismo, cujo nome da 
> criança não foi anotado, do casal Manuel Roiz e Maria Luiz!!
>
> Manoel
>
>
>
> 2016-01-18 22:12 GMT-02:00 Sandra Perez  >:
>
>> Manoel, do you have Barbara Roiz' birth?  JR and I have trading info 
>> today.  I am a distant cousin to his wife. I descend from Manoel Faria and 
>> Maria Luis' son Ventura Rois--my 9th great-grandfather.  I will forward 
>> that to you.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:24 PM, mances  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Júlio,
>>>
>>> Miguel da Rocha and Bárbara Roiz are my ancestors too.
>>> I descend from their daughter Maria de Faria who married Matias Pereira 
>>> in São Pedro, Ribeira Grande, on 3 jul 1666. Matias was from Rabo de Peixe.
>>>
>>> I have a lot of ancestors in Ribeira Grande living in the late 1500s and 
>>> early 1600s.
>>>
>>> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>>>
>>>
>>> Em segunda-feira, 18 de janeiro de 2016 18:51:36 UTC-2, Júlio escreveu:

 This couple are my ancestors. his daughter Barbara Rodrigues married on 
 29 Feb 1640 in Ribeira Seca, with Miguel da Rocha born on 1 Oct 1618 in 
 Ribeira Seca, Son of Manuel da Rocha and Ana Ponte (these married 3 Dec 
 1613). This couple had another daughter named Ana Luis married to 8 Apr 
 1630 at Ribeira Seca with António de Sousa son Domingos Afonso and Isabel 
 Rodrigues de Sousa.

 segunda-feira, 18 de Janeiro de 2016 às 13:19:01 UTC-1, Sandra Perez 
 escreveu:
>
> Thank you everyone.
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello  
> wrote:
>
>> It's Faial da Terra, even though the priest didn't write it out. 
>> You're in 1603, and paper and ink weren't exactly in abundance. And as 
>> someone said earlier, they would state "ilha da Faial" for "island of 
>> Faial" if someone came from there.
>> Cheri
>> On Jan 17, 2016 8:35 PM, "Ângela Loura"  wrote:
>>
>>> I would say the island of Faial, becausa i don't know anyone that 
>>> reffers to Faial da Terra only by 'Faial'.
>>>
>>> 2016-01-18 2:34 GMT+00:00 Richard Francis Pimentel <
>>> rfrancis...@comcast.net>:
>>>
 *I would say Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel, it does not say Ilha 
 with Faial*

  

 *Rick*

  

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Epping, NH*

  

  

 *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On 
 Behalf Of *Sandra Perez
 *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:46 PM
 *To:* Azores Genealogy Google Group
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Faial the Island or Faial da Terra, 
 Sao Miguel?

  

 Manoel Faria and Maria Luis married 7 Jan 1603 in R. Seca, R. 
 Grande.  It says Manoel was nal.  ? ? Faial.  Is this Sao Miguel or 
 the 
 Isalnd.  Top left.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1577-1666/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1577-1666_item1/P27.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faial the Island or Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel?

[Júlio]

This couple are my ancestors. his daughter Barbara Rodrigues married on 29 
Feb 1640 in Ribeira Seca, with Miguel da Rocha born on 1 Oct 1618 in 
Ribeira Seca, Son of Manuel da Rocha and Ana Ponte (these married 3 Dec 
1613). This couple had another daughter named Ana Luis married to 8 Apr 
1630 at Ribeira Seca with António de Sousa son Domingos Afonso and Isabel 
Rodrigues de Sousa.

segunda-feira, 18 de Janeiro de 2016 às 13:19:01 UTC-1, Sandra Perez 
escreveu:
>
> Thank you everyone.
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> It's Faial da Terra, even though the priest didn't write it out. You're 
>> in 1603, and paper and ink weren't exactly in abundance. And as someone 
>> said earlier, they would state "ilha da Faial" for "island of Faial" if 
>> someone came from there.
>> Cheri
>> On Jan 17, 2016 8:35 PM, "Ângela Loura"  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would say the island of Faial, becausa i don't know anyone that 
>>> reffers to Faial da Terra only by 'Faial'.
>>>
>>> 2016-01-18 2:34 GMT+00:00 Richard Francis Pimentel <
>>> rfrancis...@comcast.net >:
>>>
 *I would say Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel, it does not say Ilha with 
 Faial*

  

 *Rick*

  

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Epping, NH*

  

  

 *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
 azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Sandra Perez
 *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:46 PM
 *To:* Azores Genealogy Google Group
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Faial the Island or Faial da Terra, Sao 
 Miguel?

  

 Manoel Faria and Maria Luis married 7 Jan 1603 in R. Seca, R. Grande.  
 It says Manoel was nal.  ? ? Faial.  Is this Sao Miguel or the Isalnd.  
 Top 
 left.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1577-1666/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1577-1666_item1/P27.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faial the Island or Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel?

[Shirley Allegre]

It also says that Manoel Faria was a WIDOW.
Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Cheri Mello 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faial the Island or Faial da Terra, Sao 
Miguel?


  It's Faial da Terra, even though the priest didn't write it out. You're in 
1603, and paper and ink weren't exactly in abundance. And as someone said 
earlier, they would state "ilha da Faial" for "island of Faial" if someone came 
from there.
  Cheri

  On Jan 17, 2016 8:35 PM, "Ângela Loura"  wrote:

I would say the island of Faial, becausa i don't know anyone that reffers 
to Faial da Terra only by 'Faial'.


2016-01-18 2:34 GMT+00:00 Richard Francis Pimentel 
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  I would say Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel, it does not say Ilha with Faial



  Rick



  Richard Francis Pimentel

  Epping, NH





  From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
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  Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:46 PM
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  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faial the Island or Faial da Terra, Sao 
Miguel?



  Manoel Faria and Maria Luis married 7 Jan 1603 in R. Seca, R. Grande.  It 
says Manoel was nal.  ? ? Faial.  Is this Sao Miguel or the Isalnd.  Top left.

  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1577-1666/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1577-1666_item1/P27.html



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