[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Beautiful Reunion Story

[Evee Silva Kiler]

Great story to share Laura.  Thank you!  I totally am on board with what 
Cheri Mello wrote:  "We have answers in our DNA to help others in their 
searches."   And...our research can be useful to other researchers. 
 Laura's amazing account of the events that helped a mother and daughter 
find each other is "living proof"! 

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 11:00:55 PM UTC-7, Laura Flanagan wrote:
>
> I wanted to take a moment and share with all of you, my Portuguese 
> genealogy family, a heartwarming beautiful story that I was blessed to be 
> involved in over the past few days.  As many of you know, I am adopted, and 
> I have been searching for my biological father for many years now.  5 years 
> ago, my husband bought me the Ancestry dna test.  I then tested with FTDna 
> and with 23andme, hoping to find dna cousins who would share their lineage 
> with me.  I learned to read Portuguese, and began researching on the 
> Azorean gov't website to build a large tree with all the genealogy of my 
> Portuguese cousins, looking for common ancestors between them.  I have 
> created a Master DNA tree which now contains over 10,000 people, and I have 
> indeed found common ancestors.  I am waiting the results of a dna test for 
> a woman I believe is my aunt or 2nd cousin.  Expected date of discovery:  
> March 21st!  Along this journey, I have been richly blessed me with so many 
> new friends and Portuguese cousins.  I have learned much about my 
> ancestors, the Island of Sao Miguel, from which they came, and the 
> struggles my ancestors endured, making my life possible.  
>
> About 3 years ago, I was working off a list of all of the men who bore my 
> biological father's name, Robert Moniz, and lived in the Fall River area at 
> the time of my birth.  One man in particular had a son, Cory, that I 
> located on Facebook.  I messaged him there, with my story, and he agreed to 
> take the Ancestry DNA test for me.  As it turns out, we are only 5th to 8th 
> cousins.  Not close enough to provide any clues, but I added his family 
> lines to my DNA Cousin Tree anyhow, thinking sometime in the future, it may 
> be helpful.  I also added his mother's lines, even though she was French 
> Canadian.  That was about 2 years ago.  My search continues and I have not 
> really looked at this family in quite some time.
>
> Saturday morning I received a benign message from a 70 year old woman on 
> Ancestry.  Her husband had purchased the test kit for her as a Christmas 
> gift.  She had received her results and was showing a 3rd to 4th cousin 
> match to Cory and was reaching out to me because I am the administrator of 
> his dna profile.  She was given up for adoption in 1945 in NY, and has been 
> searching for her biological family for 50 years.  Her husband had bought 
> her the Ancestry DNA test kit for Christmas.  She  wondered if I had some 
> small piece of information that could help her learn something about her 
> family.   Due to her age, she suspected her parents would have passed away 
> by now.  The only thing she knew about her birth parents is that she had 
> been told her mom was 17 when she was born, and she believed her father may 
> have been a married man. I responded and explained that the test she was 
> matching did not belong to me, but if she would share her dna results with 
> me, I would take a look, as I did have quite a bit of information on Cory's 
> family.
>
> Then the whirlwind began.  It was readily apparent to me that this adoptee 
> was related to Cory through his mother.  I could see this due to the common 
> matches they shared.  I started to identify common ancestors between her 
> dna matches.  And I just couldn't stop.  I traced the lines down and then 
> found yet another common ancestor between unrelated 3rd cousins, and again 
> started to trace that line down and bang I found a marriage between the 
> two lines 5 dna cousins connecting to the wife and 6 unrelated dna 
> cousins connecting to the husband.  I had identified this adoptees 
> grandparents!  I nearly fell off my chair.  This couple had 14 
> children.. which one was her parent?  Upon closer examination it was 
> clear it could only be one of two girls.  I went onto Facebook and found 
> the children of these two woman and sent them a message with this adoption 
> story. Yesterday, one of the children called me letting me know that the 
> woman we are looking for is indeed her aunt, a daughter of the grandparents 
> I had identified.  She is 90 years, alive and well, and had been searching 
> for the past 50 years for her daughter.  She had even hired 2 private 
> investigators, all without success.
>
> We quickly identified her birth father, and learned it is suspected he 
> descends from Amerigo Vespucci he is a Vespucci from Brooklyn!  How 
> amazing is that?!?!?  
>
> Late yesterday Betty Belle, 90, and Jeannie, 70, a mother and daughter 
> separated in 1945 by adoption, spoke on the 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Population Statistics for the Azores

[linda]

Thanks Cheri!

the report looks quite interesting,

Linda

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 1:02:50 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> The attached file is in Portuguese. Although it's labeled a census, it's 
> really the population statistics obtained from various censuses for the 
> Azores. It's about 185 pages long and shows things like how the literacy 
> rate has dropped over time, how many homes have electricity, how many men, 
> women, children and families are in each freguesia (I said HOW MANY, not 
> who), how many of each age group, etc, etc. So if you like numbers, you 
> will like population statistics. You can figure out the graphs and tables 
> if you have been bumbling your way through the Portuguese records.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealogy Class

[linda]

Thanks Liz!

This sounds really interesting, and I hope to attend.

:D

Linda

On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 8:06:20 PM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:
>
> Classe name: Introduction to Genealogy Research in the Azores
>
> Given by Joao Ventura
>
>
> Place: 
> Western View Mobile Home Ranch
> 1400 N. Tully Rd.
> Turlock, CA 95380
>
> March 13, 2016
>
> 2.00pm in English
>
> 4.00pm in Portuguese
>
>
> Free entrance/no registration needed
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> Sent from my iPhone
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish information

[linda]

May I also receive a copy of the ebook?  

thank you,

Linda

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:04:31 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Repost for Manuel Azevedo (email below):
>
> greetings to all,
>
> there has been very little research done on this topic. the extant jewish 
> cemeteries that i know of in ponta delgada ( são miguel),  angra ( 
> terceira) and horta ( faial) all date from post pombal return of north 
> african/ gilbratar sephardim who established communities in faro, lisbon, 
> ponta delgada, angra and terceira. the synagogue in ponta delgada survived 
> and has recently been restored. the faro community created a museum/ 
> cemetery. the lisbon community which rebuilt its synagogue in 1904 was 
> taken over by the ashkenazi who fled the holocaust to portugal. the azorean 
> communities are non-existent. pedro merlim?, recently deceased wrote a book 
> entitled " os hebreus da terceira". 
>
> these communities have no relation  to the initial settlors of the 
> azores, some of whom were no doubt jews and after the forced conversion of 
> 1497 were known as new christians, (although porto judeu in terceira is not 
> porto de cristão novos!)
>
> inquisition records, which are on line ( torre de tombo national 
> archices) in my opinion relate the best social history of the period. 
> professor paulo drummond braga did his phd on the inquisition in the azores 
> which has been published.
>
> it contains a list of names from the 1604 " finta" ie. levy of new 
> christians in the azores that were taxed to pay for the general pardon 
> granted in 1604 by philip of spain ( remember the union of the two crowns 
> in 1580).
>
> i have reproduced the list on my blog ( ladina.blogspot.com) and as an 
> appendix in a book about the first azorean woman to be burned at the stake 
> in 1576 which i can send as an ebook to anyone who requests it by emailing 
> me at mlopesazevedo at yahoo.com or through the ladina blog.
>
> also on the blog are dutch notarial records from the 17th? and 18th 
> century which have some references to the azores. there is also an 
> excellent brazilian publication of portuguese new christian names and their 
> origin/location.
>
> cedros is not on the 1604 tax roll. there are cedros on pico. one family 
> member told me the family was from greece. lebanon? the jewish 
> connotation  does accord with the factoid that new christains took names of 
> plants, including trees.
>
> cumprimentos
>
> manuel azevedo
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[JR]

Yes and no. In general, first and nicknames names and religious names are 
not surnames. However they can and sometimes do become surnames over time. 
You might find another document that states their surnames, or not. You 
have to go with what you see, so for now leave it as surname. 

JR

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:46:36 PM UTC-5, Lizmig wrote:
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> Is the father's last name Francisco?   or is there another last name?  
> I've never know that as a last name.
>
> thx
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Aaron Pereira  > wrote:
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>> Liz,
>> Isabel Francisca
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Elizabeth Migliori]

Is the father's last name Francisco?   or is there another last name?  I've
never know that as a last name.

thx

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] When records end..

[Edna Epps]

I did the same as Rosemarie and it worked for me too.;)
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and increasing in the knowledge of God;  strengthened with all power, according 
to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; 
joyously  giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the 
inheritance of the saints in Light.





On Feb 26, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:

That's so funny because I used your link and the book is there and I clicked on 
the 'full view' at the bottom of the page and it starts the book! 

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On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:34 AM, JR > wrote:
I have tried, nothing come up except "limited searches only." and when I click 
on that page numbers are cited and no pages come up.

JR

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 11:11:44 AM UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
JR, how why do you say that you have to be American?? If the book comes up you 
click on 'full view' at the bottom and you can view the entire book. I've never 
seen it ask for a name or to join or anything?? 

Rosemarie
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On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:01 PM, JR > wrote:
I just looked that up. You have to be American to use the site, but here it is:

http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008882332 


On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 12:52:43 AM UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
Becky, there is a book called Familias da Faialenses by Marcelino Lima that 
takes many of the founding families back a ways. If you go to the site:  
Haithitrust.org and put in the name of the book or author it will come up. The 
problem is that the book is arranged by main family names and does not have an 
index. So, you may find Silveiras listed in the Pereira chapter or Cunhas 
listed in the Cabral chapter!! You have to read each one to find your names! 
Not an easy thing. 


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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Becky Mendonca > wrote:
Now that I am to the point on Faial where the records are running out..were 
there records prior to that on the main island, or am I just done?? Where or 
how do you search when this happens?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Beautiful Reunion Story

[Cheri Mello]

This is another reason that everyone should get their DNA tested. Even if
you think your genealogy is "done" and you have nothing to gain, you
actually have answers in your DNA to help others. Almost everyone has a
pai(s) incognito(s) in their tree. And all the adoptees we can help.

The Azores DNA Project is housed at Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). They may have
a DNA sale the latter half of April. They've done that 2 or 3 times and
it's usually just a weekend sale. They may or may not have Family Finder on
sale. They traditionally hold a Sizzling Summer Sale in June or July,
however, last year they did not. They also traditionally hold their Holiday
Sale at the end of the year. They may have other small sales throughout the
year.

The more people that test, the easier it will become for us to figure out
the relationships and patterns in our intermarried (endogamous) family.

Cheri Mello
Family Tree DNA Administrator (volunteer)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] When records end..

[Edna Epps]

Thank you so much for posting this information!;)  If nothing else I can 
practice reading Portuguese!;)
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On Feb 25, 2016, at 10:01 PM, JR  wrote:

I just looked that up. You have to be American to use the site, but here it is:

http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008882332

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 12:52:43 AM UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
Becky, there is a book called Familias da Faialenses by Marcelino Lima that 
takes many of the founding families back a ways. If you go to the site:  
Haithitrust.org and put in the name of the book or author it will come up. The 
problem is that the book is arranged by main family names and does not have an 
index. So, you may find Silveiras listed in the Pereira chapter or Cunhas 
listed in the Cabral chapter!! You have to read each one to find your names! 
Not an easy thing. 


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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Becky Mendonca  wrote:
Now that I am to the point on Faial where the records are running out..were 
there records prior to that on the main island, or am I just done?? Where or 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] PASSAPORTS FROM SÃO MIGUEL

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Luciana,

I know no one left the islands legally without documentation, even for
inter island movements but on line available documentation begins in 1875.

I mentioned Ancestry, but when I checked it out, there are no manifests
leaving the island that I could find for Brasil...I could only find US
incoming records, sorry.

Have a look at 1875 passports anyway, it is possible that he left around
this time seeing that he was married in 1877.




On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Luciana Pio Raposo 
wrote:

> Hi Mara,
> Thank you so much for helping.
> So the Baptism entry from 1956 was the first one, even though  he was
> Baptized only a month after he was born... weird...
> Anyway, do you think there were no passports issuing  in Ponta Delgada
> before 1875 or they only not avaiable for research?
>
> The problem in finding my great grandfather by the port of entry is that I
> have no idea when or where to he came/went. I know he married my
> ggrandmother in 1877 so it has to be before that.
> I`m used to researching in familysearch. com - I even volunteer for
> digitalizing their records - but I`ve never looked on ancestry.com. Do
> they carry ship manifest records there?
> So far the only ones I have found are for ships going to the US,
> Thanks again. Hope I can be of use to friends of this group.
> :)
>
> Em quinta-feira, 25 de fevereiro de 2016 11:42:56 UTC-3, Mara escreveu:
>>
>> Hi Luciana,
>>
>> 1. The P. stands for "primeira" (first) certificate.
>> 2. Unfortunately S. Miguel passport records available begin in the year
>> 1875.
>>
>> If indeed it was for travel reasons the certificate was obtained and he
>> left out of Ponta Delgada the only way I think might be is through the
>> ship's manifests.  Either at port of entry (Brasil) or by researching
>> through Ancestry records at Ancestry.com
>>
>> Others may be able to share other possible venues.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Luciana Pio Raposo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I posted in Portuguese and many are not proficient in the language
>>> I`ve been researching my great grandfather Manoel Raposo dos Santos,
>>> from Villa do Nordeste - São Miguel- born on June, 1839.
>>> A friend found his birth?Baptism registration on Apr 1856, when he was
>>> already 17 ys old, possibly because he needed a document for migration.
>>> (attached file)
>>> I am curious, though ,about  what the inscription on the margins of the
>>> registration means: *P. Certidão em 15 de abril de 1856.*
>>> *1 - Do any of you know why that? Ideas?*
>>>
>>> I`m also stuck trying to find his passport so that I can trace his
>>> arrival in Brazil. I`ve tried Torre do Tombo archives but they show entries
>>> of 2 other Azores Islands on the period I suspect my ggrand father has left
>>> but I cannot find any entry from São Miguel before 1875.
>>> *2- Any idea if there was not passports from São Miguel before 1875 or
>>> the books have not been digitalized yet?*
>>> Thank you very much for your help.
>>> Luciana Raposo
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Beautiful Reunion Story

["E" Sharp]

What a wonderful gift you gave to this family member and to your azores
group family.  My motto "never give up." Wishes and promises do come true,
maybe 20 years later but, eventually, they do with kind, caring people such
as yourself.

Thank you for sharing this inspiring journey.  "E"

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 7:06 AM, Ronald Ostrom 
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> That is indeed one of the most beautiful stories I've heard.  Thanks to
> your tireless efforts to make a dream come true! Thanks too for sharing
> this inspiring, epic journey.
>
> Ronald Ostrom
> Researching Chaves families (both maternal Great Grandparents were
> Chaves)from Santo Espirito, Santa Maria, Azores
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] When records end..

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

That's so funny because I used your link and the book is there and I
clicked on the 'full view' at the bottom of the page and it starts the
book!

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:34 AM, JR  wrote:

> I have tried, nothing come up except "limited searches only." and when I
> click on that page numbers are cited and no pages come up.
>
> JR
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 11:11:44 AM UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> JR, how why do you say that you have to be American?? If the book comes
>> up you click on 'full view' at the bottom and you can view the entire book.
>> I've never seen it ask for a name or to join or anything??
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:01 PM, JR  wrote:
>>
>>> I just looked that up. You have to be American to use the site, but here
>>> it is:
>>>
>>> http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008882332
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 12:52:43 AM UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:

 Becky, there is a book called* Familias da Faialenses *by Marcelino
 Lima that takes many of the founding families back a ways. If you go to the
 site:  Haithitrust.org and put in the name of the book or author it will
 come up. The problem is that the book is arranged by main family names and
 does not have an index. So, you may find Silveiras listed in the Pereira
 chapter or Cunhas listed in the Cabral chapter!! You have to read each one
 to find your names! Not an easy thing.


 Rosemarie
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 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] PASSAPORTS FROM SÃO MIGUEL

[Cheri Mello]

Luciana,
When I was in the archive in Ponta Delgada, they told me that the
Passaportes existed only for certain years. The rest are lost.

Ancestry.com is American based and heavy on American records. They have
some Canadian ones too. Nothing Portuguese. Don't remember seeing anything
Brasilian, but I've never searched Ancestry for that.
Cheri

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Beautiful Reunion Story

[Ronald Ostrom]

That is indeed one of the most beautiful stories I've heard.  Thanks to your 
tireless efforts to make a dream come true! Thanks too for sharing this 
inspiring, epic journey.

Ronald Ostrom
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish information

[Luciana Pio Raposo]

Do you have the name of the Brazilian publication about the cristãos 
novos`names?

Em terça-feira, 23 de fevereiro de 2016 17:04:31 UTC-3, Cheri Mello 
escreveu:
>
> Repost for Manuel Azevedo (email below):
>
> greetings to all,
>
> there has been very little research done on this topic. the extant jewish 
> cemeteries that i know of in ponta delgada ( são miguel),  angra ( 
> terceira) and horta ( faial) all date from post pombal return of north 
> african/ gilbratar sephardim who established communities in faro, lisbon, 
> ponta delgada, angra and terceira. the synagogue in ponta delgada survived 
> and has recently been restored. the faro community created a museum/ 
> cemetery. the lisbon community which rebuilt its synagogue in 1904 was 
> taken over by the ashkenazi who fled the holocaust to portugal. the azorean 
> communities are non-existent. pedro merlim?, recently deceased wrote a book 
> entitled " os hebreus da terceira". 
>
> these communities have no relation  to the initial settlors of the 
> azores, some of whom were no doubt jews and after the forced conversion of 
> 1497 were known as new christians, (although porto judeu in terceira is not 
> porto de cristão novos!)
>
> inquisition records, which are on line ( torre de tombo national 
> archices) in my opinion relate the best social history of the period. 
> professor paulo drummond braga did his phd on the inquisition in the azores 
> which has been published.
>
> it contains a list of names from the 1604 " finta" ie. levy of new 
> christians in the azores that were taxed to pay for the general pardon 
> granted in 1604 by philip of spain ( remember the union of the two crowns 
> in 1580).
>
> i have reproduced the list on my blog ( ladina.blogspot.com) and as an 
> appendix in a book about the first azorean woman to be burned at the stake 
> in 1576 which i can send as an ebook to anyone who requests it by emailing 
> me at mlopesazevedo at yahoo.com or through the ladina blog.
>
> also on the blog are dutch notarial records from the 17th? and 18th 
> century which have some references to the azores. there is also an 
> excellent brazilian publication of portuguese new christian names and their 
> origin/location.
>
> cedros is not on the 1604 tax roll. there are cedros on pico. one family 
> member told me the family was from greece. lebanon? the jewish 
> connotation  does accord with the factoid that new christains took names of 
> plants, including trees.
>
> cumprimentos
>
> manuel azevedo
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] PASSAPORTS FROM SÃO MIGUEL

[Luciana Pio Raposo]

Hi Mara, 
Thank you so much for helping. 
So the Baptism entry from 1956 was the first one, even though  he was 
Baptized only a month after he was born... weird...
Anyway, do you think there were no passports issuing  in Ponta Delgada 
before 1875 or they only not avaiable for research?

The problem in finding my great grandfather by the port of entry is that I 
have no idea when or where to he came/went. I know he married my 
ggrandmother in 1877 so it has to be before that. 
I`m used to researching in familysearch. com - I even volunteer for 
digitalizing their records - but I`ve never looked on ancestry.com. Do they 
carry ship manifest records there? 
So far the only ones I have found are for ships going to the US,
Thanks again. Hope I can be of use to friends of this group.
:)

Em quinta-feira, 25 de fevereiro de 2016 11:42:56 UTC-3, Mara escreveu:
>
> Hi Luciana,
>
> 1. The P. stands for "primeira" (first) certificate.  
> 2. Unfortunately S. Miguel passport records available begin in the year 
> 1875.  
>
> If indeed it was for travel reasons the certificate was obtained and he 
> left out of Ponta Delgada the only way I think might be is through the 
> ship's manifests.  Either at port of entry (Brasil) or by researching 
> through Ancestry records at Ancestry.com
>
> Others may be able to share other possible venues.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Luciana Pio Raposo  > wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I posted in Portuguese and many are not proficient in the language
>> I`ve been researching my great grandfather Manoel Raposo dos Santos, from 
>> Villa do Nordeste - São Miguel- born on June, 1839.
>> A friend found his birth?Baptism registration on Apr 1856, when he was 
>> already 17 ys old, possibly because he needed a document for migration. 
>> (attached file)
>> I am curious, though ,about  what the inscription on the margins of the 
>> registration means: *P. Certidão em 15 de abril de 1856.*
>> *1 - Do any of you know why that? Ideas?*
>>
>> I`m also stuck trying to find his passport so that I can trace his 
>> arrival in Brazil. I`ve tried Torre do Tombo archives but they show entries 
>> of 2 other Azores Islands on the period I suspect my ggrand father has left 
>> but I cannot find any entry from São Miguel before 1875. 
>> *2- Any idea if there was not passports from São Miguel before 1875 or 
>> the books have not been digitalized yet?*
>> Thank you very much for your help.
>> Luciana Raposo
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Beautiful Reunion Story

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you Laura for such a heartwarming welcome to my morning..I too 
cried.what a wondrous story! I certainly wish I had your organizational 
skills!

Happy hunting in your continued searchnow you know the real possibilities 
exist.

Nancy Jean


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Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 4:49 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Beautiful Reunion Story

Laura that's a great story. God works through people and often in mysterious 
ways. You mentioned your mom is French Canadian. I don't know much about this 
DNA stuff,  only the basics I guess, but my wife is French Canadian and she's 
had a Family Finder DNA test done. I have done some research on her lines and 
so has one of her family members.  Send me an email if you want me to check 
anything that might be helpful.
Best wishes, Herb

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] When records end..

[JR]

I have tried, nothing come up except "limited searches only." and when I 
click on that page numbers are cited and no pages come up.

JR

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 11:11:44 AM UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
>
> JR, how why do you say that you have to be American?? If the book comes up 
> you click on 'full view' at the bottom and you can view the entire book. 
> I've never seen it ask for a name or to join or anything?? 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:01 PM, JR  
> wrote:
>
>> I just looked that up. You have to be American to use the site, but here 
>> it is:
>>
>> http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008882332
>>
>> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 12:52:43 AM UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
>>>
>>> Becky, there is a book called* Familias da Faialenses *by Marcelino 
>>> Lima that takes many of the founding families back a ways. If you go to the 
>>> site:  Haithitrust.org and put in the name of the book or author it will 
>>> come up. The problem is that the book is arranged by main family names and 
>>> does not have an index. So, you may find Silveiras listed in the Pereira 
>>> chapter or Cunhas listed in the Cabral chapter!! You have to read each one 
>>> to find your names! Not an easy thing. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie 
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Becky Mendonca  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Now that I am to the point on Faial where the records are running 
 out..were there records prior to that on the main island, or am I just 
 done?? Where or how do you search when this happens?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] When records end..

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

JR, how why do you say that you have to be American?? If the book comes up
you click on 'full view' at the bottom and you can view the entire book.
I've never seen it ask for a name or to join or anything??

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:01 PM, JR  wrote:

> I just looked that up. You have to be American to use the site, but here
> it is:
>
> http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008882332
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 12:52:43 AM UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Becky, there is a book called* Familias da Faialenses *by Marcelino Lima
>> that takes many of the founding families back a ways. If you go to the
>> site:  Haithitrust.org and put in the name of the book or author it will
>> come up. The problem is that the book is arranged by main family names and
>> does not have an index. So, you may find Silveiras listed in the Pereira
>> chapter or Cunhas listed in the Cabral chapter!! You have to read each one
>> to find your names! Not an easy thing.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Becky Mendonca 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Now that I am to the point on Faial where the records are running
>>> out..were there records prior to that on the main island, or am I just
>>> done?? Where or how do you search when this happens?
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish information

[nancy jean baptiste]

Senhor Azevedo,


I tried to contact you via email but was unable to do so. May I also request 
your ebook and names list.  I have many reasons to believe my mother's  
maternal line was Sephardic.


Thank you,

Nancy Jean


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Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 9:09 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Cc: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish information

Could you please send the ebook mentioned and the list of names for jews from 
the azores.  Thanks  g.t.i...@gmail.com

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:04:31 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
Repost for Manuel Azevedo (email below):

greetings to all,

there has been very little research done on this topic. the extant jewish 
cemeteries that i know of in ponta delgada ( são miguel),  angra ( terceira) 
and horta ( faial) all date from post pombal return of north african/ gilbratar 
sephardim who established communities in faro, lisbon, ponta delgada, angra and 
terceira. the synagogue in ponta delgada survived and has recently been 
restored. the faro community created a museum/ cemetery. the lisbon community 
which rebuilt its synagogue in 1904 was taken over by the ashkenazi who fled 
the holocaust to portugal. the azorean communities are non-existent. pedro 
merlim?, recently deceased wrote a book entitled " os hebreus da terceira".

these communities have no relation  to the initial settlors of the azores, some 
of whom were no doubt jews and after the forced conversion of 1497 were known 
as new christians, (although porto judeu in terceira is not porto de cristão 
novos!)

inquisition records, which are on line ( torre de tombo national archices) in 
my opinion relate the best social history of the period. professor paulo 
drummond braga did his phd on the inquisition in the azores which has been 
published.

it contains a list of names from the 1604 " finta" ie. levy of new christians 
in the azores that were taxed to pay for the general pardon granted in 1604 by 
philip of spain ( remember the union of the two crowns in 1580).

i have reproduced the list on my blog ( 
ladina.blogspot.com) and as an appendix in a book 
about the first azorean woman to be burned at the stake in 1576 which i can 
send as an ebook to anyone who requests it by emailing me at mlopesazevedo at 
yahoo.com or through the ladina blog.

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Ladina
ladina.blogspot.com
José de Almeida Mello is a prolific author of many books and monographs. He 
published Sahar Hassamain Synagogue in Ponta Delgada (2009) a book which tells 
the story ...



also on the blog are dutch notarial records from the 17th? and 18th century 
which have some references to the azores. there is also an excellent brazilian 
publication of portuguese new christian names and their origin/location.

cedros is not on the 1604 tax roll. there are cedros on pico. one family member 
told me the family was from greece. lebanon? the jewish connotation  does 
accord with the factoid that new christains took names of plants, including 
trees.

cumprimentos

manuel azevedo


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish information

[saltdog]

Could you please send the ebook mentioned and the list of names for jews 
from the azores.  Thanks  g.t.i...@gmail.com

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:04:31 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Repost for Manuel Azevedo (email below):
>
> greetings to all,
>
> there has been very little research done on this topic. the extant jewish 
> cemeteries that i know of in ponta delgada ( são miguel),  angra ( 
> terceira) and horta ( faial) all date from post pombal return of north 
> african/ gilbratar sephardim who established communities in faro, lisbon, 
> ponta delgada, angra and terceira. the synagogue in ponta delgada survived 
> and has recently been restored. the faro community created a museum/ 
> cemetery. the lisbon community which rebuilt its synagogue in 1904 was 
> taken over by the ashkenazi who fled the holocaust to portugal. the azorean 
> communities are non-existent. pedro merlim?, recently deceased wrote a book 
> entitled " os hebreus da terceira". 
>
> these communities have no relation  to the initial settlors of the 
> azores, some of whom were no doubt jews and after the forced conversion of 
> 1497 were known as new christians, (although porto judeu in terceira is not 
> porto de cristão novos!)
>
> inquisition records, which are on line ( torre de tombo national 
> archices) in my opinion relate the best social history of the period. 
> professor paulo drummond braga did his phd on the inquisition in the azores 
> which has been published.
>
> it contains a list of names from the 1604 " finta" ie. levy of new 
> christians in the azores that were taxed to pay for the general pardon 
> granted in 1604 by philip of spain ( remember the union of the two crowns 
> in 1580).
>
> i have reproduced the list on my blog ( ladina.blogspot.com) and as an 
> appendix in a book about the first azorean woman to be burned at the stake 
> in 1576 which i can send as an ebook to anyone who requests it by emailing 
> me at mlopesazevedo at yahoo.com or through the ladina blog.
>
> also on the blog are dutch notarial records from the 17th? and 18th 
> century which have some references to the azores. there is also an 
> excellent brazilian publication of portuguese new christian names and their 
> origin/location.
>
> cedros is not on the 1604 tax roll. there are cedros on pico. one family 
> member told me the family was from greece. lebanon? the jewish 
> connotation  does accord with the factoid that new christains took names of 
> plants, including trees.
>
> cumprimentos
>
> manuel azevedo
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] When records end..

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

The other alternative is access other research and records other than vital 
records. For example, Bretanha vital records before around 1704 do not exist. 
But, in 1727 thyy did exist in a very deplorable state and the Vicar knew they 
were beyond saving. So, he made an index of all of the records that had not yet 
completely deteriorated. Thus we have some (in index form) marriages that go 
back as far back as 1569 and some baptisms (with the names of godparents 
included) go back to 1609!  

Then there are wills and deeds of sale which mostly outline ownership and how 
property came down to the present owners or heirs. You see reference to many of 
these records in the research of Carlos Machado, Rodrigo Rodrigues as well as 
Forjaz and Ornelas. 

Sometimes it isn't that the information doesn't exist, its that the vital 
records for the period do not exist, but records like the Vicar's index, wills, 
deeds, as well as the research of those who had/have access to those records do 
exist.
John M. Raposo
 

On Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:46 PM, Becky Mendonca 
 wrote:
 

 Thank you.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

Becky,
It depends. If you are reading a record and it says someone was from another 
island or the continent, then you follow the paper trail and keep researching. 
If the records just end because you run out of records (they are missing, lost, 
whatever), well, that is what we call the "End of Line" ancestor. That ancestor 
is as far back as we can go on that line since no earlier records exist.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Beautiful Reunion Story

[Herb]

Laura that's a great story. God works through people and often in mysterious 
ways. You mentioned your mom is French Canadian. I don't know much about this 
DNA stuff,  only the basics I guess, but my wife is French Canadian and she's 
had a Family Finder DNA test done. I have done some research on her lines and 
so has one of her family members.  Send me an email if you want me to check 
anything that might be helpful. 
Best wishes, Herb 

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