Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Travassos vs Travalos

[mances]

You're right. And I wonder ... I think all of us descend from the Travassos 
line of São Miguel.

Manoel

Em sexta-feira, 1 de abril de 2016 22:18:08 UTC-3, Mara escreveu:
>
> Hi and if I may ad regarding original spelling some priests used the soft 
> "C" or single "S" instead of the double SS.  Travacos, Travasos i/o 
> Travassos. We should take a look at the original.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 8:55 PM, mances > 
> wrote:
>
>> Sandra,
>>
>> There's no Travalos in portuguese. My mother language is portuguese and I 
>> have never seen this word.
>>
>> Manoel
>>
>>
>> Em sexta-feira, 1 de abril de 2016 20:19:09 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu:
>>>
>>> Are theses names interchangable?
>>>
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Paying for a document?

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I'm so sorry, I thought I had attached the email I was sent. Below is the 
email I received this morning. I am trying to figure out how I transfer 
money to bank below, Do I go to my bank in New Hampshire and ask. Thank you 
again in advance.

On Apr 1, 2016, at 4:43 AM, Correio Oficial AD Santarém <
m...@adstr.dglab.gov.pt> wrote:

Good morning,

 

We found your grandfather’s registry of christening, if you need a paper 
copy the cost will be 2,00 € plus 2,50€ (mailing costs), a digital copy – 
only 0,30 €, amounts that you can pay by bank transfer to our account. 
Here’s all the information about it:

 

*Organismo:*

*SGPCM SECRETARIA-GERAL DA PRESIDÊNCIA DO CONSELHO DE MINISTROS*

 

*Nº Conta:*

1120013133

 

 

*NIB:*

078101120112001313329

 

 

*IBAN:*

PT50078101120112001313329

 

 

*BIC/swift*

IGCPPTPL

 

 

 

But, if you need a certificate the price will be is 17,00€ plus 2,50 € 
(mailing costs).

 

You should send us a email  with the document of the transfer and the mail 
address where you want to receive either of them.

 

Yours,

 

A diretora,

Leonor Lopes

 

*Secretariado/ **ADSTR*

 



 

Rua Passos Manuel – 2000-118 SANTARÉM, PORTUGAL

Telefone: *(+351) *243 004 300 - Fax: *(+351) *243 004 301

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> How do I do it? All they sent was the bank information and numbers. The 
> cost of the document is only 0,30€ would I go to my bank and transfer. How 
> likely is it, if I call, someone would speak English? Thank you in advance. 
> Wendi Sylvester Shaw

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Travassos vs Travalos

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi and if I may ad regarding original spelling some priests used the soft
"C" or single "S" instead of the double SS.  Travacos, Travasos i/o
Travassos. We should take a look at the original.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 8:55 PM, mances  wrote:

> Sandra,
>
> There's no Travalos in portuguese. My mother language is portuguese and I
> have never seen this word.
>
> Manoel
>
>
> Em sexta-feira, 1 de abril de 2016 20:19:09 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu:
>>
>> Are theses names interchangable?
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Travassos vs Travalos

[mances]

Sandra,

There's no Travalos in portuguese. My mother language is portuguese and I 
have never seen this word.

Manoel


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Travassos vs Travalos

[Sandra Perez]

JR, I will show you what I have that leads me believe that tomorrow.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> JR, I am thinking Travassos maybe an older version of Travalos.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 5:11 PM, JR  wrote:
>
>> Not really. I suggest Travalo is a misspelled Travassos, but If you know
>> it to be correct, it could be nickname.
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 7:19:09 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Travassos vs Travalos

[Sandra Perez]

JR, I am thinking Travassos maybe an older version of Travalos.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 5:11 PM, JR  wrote:

> Not really. I suggest Travalo is a misspelled Travassos, but If you know
> it to be correct, it could be nickname.
>
> JR
>
>
> On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 7:19:09 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Paying for a document?

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If you were trying to pay for a document from the Azores or Portugal you
need to transfer the money to their bank account therefore you have to ask
them for the router and bank account number that you can transfer to all
you make a money order for the $0.30 euros and you mail it to them that's
my home by snail mail will cost you more cuz you have to pay the postage
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> likely is it, if I call, someone would speak English? Thank you in advance.
> Wendi Sylvester Shaw
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Travassos vs Travalos

[JR]

Not really. I suggest Travalo is a misspelled Travassos, but If you know it 
to be correct, it could be nickname. 

JR

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Natural d'uma escrava(o)

[A F]

What island and freguesia is this record from?

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 9:51:35 PM UTC-7, "E" Sharp wrote:
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> Someone asked me this and I am not sure the google translation is correct. 
>Example...Maria natural de Anna d'uma escrava of Jose.  Does this really 
> mean Maria illegitimate child  of Anna who is a slave of Jose??? 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Paying for a document?

[Cheri Mello]

How do you do what? Who are "they?" Don't know what country your bank is
in. Don't know who you are calling or where. Less pronouns would make your
post more clear.

Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: joao and maria corriea???

[Jennifer w.]

yeah its going to be so much fun i cant stand it...lol.  thank you!!

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 8:40:28 PM UTC-7, Jennifer w. wrote:
>
> would anyone out there happen to have any information on the corriea 
> family from sao miguel?? my great grandmother was born there and i have 
> been unable to find information on their family prior to coming to the us. 
> any help and or direction would be greatly appreciated, i have been at a 
> stand still for a while now and i am beginning to lose hope...lol. here is 
> the vitals on my family that i have so far, some of the birth years are 
> estimates but they are very close. thank you very much for any information 
> you might have that can point me in the right direction.
>
> joao corriea
> maria p. corriea 
>  
> their children:
> manuel corriea  b. 1895
> maria r.corriea  b. 1904
> georgina corriea (my great grandmother)...b.1906
> joao corriea b 1909
>
> according to georginas death records her mothers maiden name is benza, 
> however, on the ship manifest when they left portugal, it states they were 
> living with a mother in law, not sure who's it was, but the name is not 
> benza, in fact i am having a hard time even making the name out...maybe 
> someone can help with that...lol. ill attatch it here just in case someone 
> might recognize it.  it looks like alholinia, but im not sure and i have 
> never seen that name before.
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: joao and maria corriea???

[Jennifer w.]

it is actually a correct spelling believe it or not...lol...its just not a 
very common one.  i am wondering if it is a regional thing...spelling a 
certain way depending on location or something like that...so far not sure 
though.lol.

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 8:28:35 AM UTC-7, Luciana Pio Raposo wrote:
>
> Hi Jennifer,
> You might try looking for Correia as a surname . Your surname seems to 
> come from an error in spelling when your family arrived in the US or maybe 
> before, leaving Azores. I`ve never heard of Corriea in Portuguese but we 
> have lots of Correia (with the i ) and Corrêa (without it). 
> Hope it helps.
>
>  
>
> Em quarta-feira, 30 de março de 2016 00:40:28 UTC-3, Jennifer w. escreveu:
>>
>> would anyone out there happen to have any information on the corriea 
>> family from sao miguel?? my great grandmother was born there and i have 
>> been unable to find information on their family prior to coming to the us. 
>> any help and or direction would be greatly appreciated, i have been at a 
>> stand still for a while now and i am beginning to lose hope...lol. here is 
>> the vitals on my family that i have so far, some of the birth years are 
>> estimates but they are very close. thank you very much for any information 
>> you might have that can point me in the right direction.
>>
>> joao corriea
>> maria p. corriea 
>>  
>> their children:
>> manuel corriea  b. 1895
>> maria r.corriea  b. 1904
>> georgina corriea (my great grandmother)...b.1906
>> joao corriea b 1909
>>
>> according to georginas death records her mothers maiden name is benza, 
>> however, on the ship manifest when they left portugal, it states they were 
>> living with a mother in law, not sure who's it was, but the name is not 
>> benza, in fact i am having a hard time even making the name out...maybe 
>> someone can help with that...lol. ill attatch it here just in case someone 
>> might recognize it.  it looks like alholinia, but im not sure and i have 
>> never seen that name before.
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Paying for a document?

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How do I do it? All they sent was the bank information and numbers. The cost of 
the document is only 0,30€ would I go to my bank and transfer. How likely is 
it, if I call, someone would speak English? Thank you in advance. Wendi 
Sylvester Shaw

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: joao and maria corriea???

[Jennifer w.]

i do know her birthday, the baprism records only got to 1905 and she was 
born in 1906...lol...my luck. i have estimates for the others in her family 
and i am currently crawling through them to see what i can find. thank 
you!!!

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 9:01:20 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>
>
> I stand corrected, "Ponta Garca" :)
>
> Hey, Jennifer, do you know your Great grandmother's birthday (month & 
> day)-- or even any of her sibs?  If so, you could go through village by 
> village, checking the date in each one.  It's a brute force method, but it 
> might work.
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 8:53:48 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Jennifer,
>>
>> I believe the name on the manifest is "Maria Apolinia da Garca".  
>> Apolinia is a given name, not a surname.
>>
>>  
>> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 8:40:28 PM UTC-7, Jennifer w. wrote:
>>>
>>> would anyone out there happen to have any information on the corriea 
>>> family from sao miguel?? my great grandmother was born there and i have 
>>> been unable to find information on their family prior to coming to the us. 
>>> any help and or direction would be greatly appreciated, i have been at a 
>>> stand still for a while now and i am beginning to lose hope...lol. here is 
>>> the vitals on my family that i have so far, some of the birth years are 
>>> estimates but they are very close. thank you very much for any information 
>>> you might have that can point me in the right direction.
>>>
>>> joao corriea
>>> maria p. corriea 
>>>  
>>> their children:
>>> manuel corriea  b. 1895
>>> maria r.corriea  b. 1904
>>> georgina corriea (my great grandmother)...b.1906
>>> joao corriea b 1909
>>>
>>> according to georginas death records her mothers maiden name is benza, 
>>> however, on the ship manifest when they left portugal, it states they were 
>>> living with a mother in law, not sure who's it was, but the name is not 
>>> benza, in fact i am having a hard time even making the name out...maybe 
>>> someone can help with that...lol. ill attatch it here just in case someone 
>>> might recognize it.  it looks like alholinia, but im not sure and i have 
>>> never seen that name before.
>>>
>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] joao and maria corriea???

[Jennifer w.]

i do believe you are correct and that is the area...thank you!!!

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 8:48:45 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Jennifer W,
>
> Mother-in-law, Maria Apolina, Ponta Garca.
>
> To do research, you will need to find the freguesia (village). Here's a 
> how to here: goo.gl/BhM8Fs
>
> You may be around the Vila Franca do Campo area. 
>
> If you gave all the information from the image (or a link), you could find 
> them outbound from the Azores and get the freguesia that way.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] joao and maria corriea???

[Jennifer w.]

thank you very much...i caouldnt make out what they were...seemed like 
every letter had 2 or 3 options...lol

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 8:48:45 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Jennifer W,
>
> Mother-in-law, Maria Apolina, Ponta Garca.
>
> To do research, you will need to find the freguesia (village). Here's a 
> how to here: goo.gl/BhM8Fs
>
> You may be around the Vila Franca do Campo area. 
>
> If you gave all the information from the image (or a link), you could find 
> them outbound from the Azores and get the freguesia that way.
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Arganil Portugal - Marriage Record for Domingos Fernandes & Catherina Dias

[Walt Teixeira]

Thank you Cheri for your help.  I think Bartolomeu's surname might be Solis 
but it could also be something else.  I'm waiting until I get a consensus 
until I make my final decision.  I'm also going to see if I can find her 
baptism or a sibling in Nogueira.  Thanks again,

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> Wow, I really like those scans from the mainland.
>
> I think it says Domingos Frz, filho (legitimate - might be abbreviated) de 
> Bartolomeu Something (I want to say Silveira, but I really don't think 
> that's right).
>
> I think you have the rest right.
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Travassos vs Travalos

[Sandra Perez]

Are theses names interchangable?


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Daniel Moniz DOB 1884

[Theresa Entin]

OMG!  You don’t know how many hours I have spent looking for Daniel coming in 
this country so I could find his village.  Thank you so much!
> On Apr 1, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> 
> Here is the marriage link:  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1870-1879_item1/P271.html
>  
> 
> 
> and here is Daniel's birth record:  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884_item1/P317.html
>  
> 
> 
> Margaret
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Margaret Vicente  > wrote:
> Hi Theresa, I have this couple in my tree.  I will send you the link to 
> Manuel's and Maria Julia's marriage as soon as I'm able to access the CCA 
> site.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Theresa Entin  > wrote:
> Hi All, I am look for the village of Daniel Moniz.  I have his parent’s names 
> from SS Index Application, but I cannot find Daniel coming into this country. 
>  I check 1900 Passports and he wasn’t there.  It is such an odd name if 
> anyone has it and the village I would be very grateful.  I was able to find 
> his wife Maria Isabella Cabral and do her ancestry.  This is a DNA match to 
> my uncle.
> 
> MANUEL1  MONIZ was born about 1864 in Sao Miguel, Azores. He married  MARIA  
> JULIA  PEREIRA.
> She was born in Sao Miguel, Azores.
> Manuel Moniz and Maria Julia Pereira had the following child:
> 2. i. DANIEL2 MONIZ was born on 18 Feb 1884 in Sao Miguel, Azores. He died in 
> Oct
> 1944 in Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts. He married MARIA ISABELLA CABRAL.
> She was born in 1888 in S. Jose de Ponta Delgada Azores. She died in 1921 in
> Somerset, Bristol, Massachusetts. He married MARION L MONIZ. She was born
> about 1897 in Azores.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Daniel Moniz DOB 1884

[Margaret Vicente]

Here is the marriage link:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1870-1879_item1/P271.html

and here is Daniel's birth record:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884_item1/P317.html

Margaret

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> Hi Theresa, I have this couple in my tree.  I will send you the link to
> Manuel's and Maria Julia's marriage as soon as I'm able to access the CCA
> site.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Theresa Entin 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All, I am look for the village of Daniel Moniz.  I have his parent’s
>> names from SS Index Application, but I cannot find Daniel coming into this
>> country.  I check 1900 Passports and he wasn’t there.  It is such an odd
>> name if anyone has it and the village I would be very grateful.  I was able
>> to find his wife Maria Isabella Cabral and do her ancestry.  This is a DNA
>> match to my uncle.
>>
>> MANUEL1  MONIZ was born about 1864 in Sao Miguel, Azores. He married  M
>> ARIA  JULIA  PEREIRA.
>>
>> She was born in Sao Miguel, Azores.
>>
>> Manuel Moniz and Maria Julia Pereira had the following child:
>>
>> 2. i. DANIEL2 MONIZ was born on 18 Feb 1884 in Sao Miguel, Azores. He
>> died in Oct
>>
>> 1944 in Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts. He married MARIA ISABELLA C
>> ABRAL.
>>
>> She was born in 1888 in S. Jose de Ponta Delgada Azores. She died in 1921
>> in
>>
>> Somerset, Bristol, Massachusetts. He married MARION L MONIZ. She was born
>>
>> about 1897 in Azores.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Daniel Moniz DOB 1884

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Theresa, I have this couple in my tree.  I will send you the link to
Manuel's and Maria Julia's marriage as soon as I'm able to access the CCA
site.



On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Theresa Entin 
wrote:

> Hi All, I am look for the village of Daniel Moniz.  I have his parent’s
> names from SS Index Application, but I cannot find Daniel coming into this
> country.  I check 1900 Passports and he wasn’t there.  It is such an odd
> name if anyone has it and the village I would be very grateful.  I was able
> to find his wife Maria Isabella Cabral and do her ancestry.  This is a DNA
> match to my uncle.
>
> MANUEL1  MONIZ was born about 1864 in Sao Miguel, Azores. He married  M
> ARIA  JULIA  PEREIRA.
>
> She was born in Sao Miguel, Azores.
>
> Manuel Moniz and Maria Julia Pereira had the following child:
>
> 2. i. DANIEL2 MONIZ was born on 18 Feb 1884 in Sao Miguel, Azores. He
> died in Oct
>
> 1944 in Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts. He married MARIA ISABELLA C
> ABRAL.
>
> She was born in 1888 in S. Jose de Ponta Delgada Azores. She died in 1921
> in
>
> Somerset, Bristol, Massachusetts. He married MARION L MONIZ. She was born
>
> about 1897 in Azores.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Natural d'uma escrava(o)

[linda]

OK, thanks very much.  It's hard to draw many conclusions without seeing 
the record.  On slave's names-- you know, I have no idea what the custom 
was for taking last names.  Good question!

Linda


On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 1:00:22 PM UTC-7, "E" Sharp wrote:
>
> It is a written record and he says all it gives is the child's name, 
> mother's name (her last name is same as Jose and that might be that she is 
> his escrava??) and the escrava of Jose.  There was no more information 
> other than the birthdate/baptism date and priest/church.  No other names, 
> etc.
>
> "E"
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:49 PM, linda > 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't think one can make that assumption.  The records I've seen for 
>> slaves-- baptisms and marriages-- always include the owner's names.  The 
>> owner's name is a part of the slave's social and legal identity.  It's 
>> analogous to a woman in the records rarely being identified without mention 
>> of her relationship to her father/parents or her husband.  
>>
>> E., can you provide a link for the record your friend is wondering 
>> about?  Who are the godparents for the child?  There may be a clue to 
>> paternity there.
>>
>> John, Thank you for the succinct and cogent explanation of natural vs. 
>> illegitimate. It's helped to clarify my thoughts on the topic.
>>
>> Linda
>>  
>> On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 11:41:02 AM UTC-7, "E" Sharp wrote:
>>>
>>> So is he to *assume* Jose is the father of Maria?? and Anna probably 
>>> worked for him??
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:45 PM, Luciana Pio Raposo  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes it does. Natural could either mean illegitimate or Maria, born to 
 Anna , a slave of Jose.


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>
> Someone asked me this and I am not sure the google translation is 
> correct.Example...Maria natural de Anna d'uma escrava of Jose.  Does 
> this really mean Maria illegitimate child  of Anna who is a slave of 
> Jose??? 
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Natural d'uma escrava(o)

["E" Sharp]

It is a written record and he says all it gives is the child's name,
mother's name (her last name is same as Jose and that might be that she is
his escrava??) and the escrava of Jose.  There was no more information
other than the birthdate/baptism date and priest/church.  No other names,
etc.

"E"

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> I don't think one can make that assumption.  The records I've seen for
> slaves-- baptisms and marriages-- always include the owner's names.  The
> owner's name is a part of the slave's social and legal identity.  It's
> analogous to a woman in the records rarely being identified without mention
> of her relationship to her father/parents or her husband.
>
> E., can you provide a link for the record your friend is wondering about?
> Who are the godparents for the child?  There may be a clue to paternity
> there.
>
> John, Thank you for the succinct and cogent explanation of natural vs.
> illegitimate. It's helped to clarify my thoughts on the topic.
>
> Linda
>
> On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 11:41:02 AM UTC-7, "E" Sharp wrote:
>>
>> So is he to *assume* Jose is the father of Maria?? and Anna probably
>> worked for him??
>>
>> "E"
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:45 PM, Luciana Pio Raposo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes it does. Natural could either mean illegitimate or Maria, born to
>>> Anna , a slave of Jose.
>>>
>>>
>>> Em sexta-feira, 1 de abril de 2016 01:51:35 UTC-3, "E" Sharp escreveu:

 Someone asked me this and I am not sure the google translation is
 correct.Example...Maria natural de Anna d'uma escrava of Jose.  Does
 this really mean Maria illegitimate child  of Anna who is a slave of
 Jose???

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Daniel Moniz DOB 1884

[Theresa Entin]

Hi All, I am look for the village of Daniel Moniz.  I have his parent’s names 
from SS Index Application, but I cannot find Daniel coming into this country.  
I check 1900 Passports and he wasn’t there.  It is such an odd name if anyone 
has it and the village I would be very grateful.  I was able to find his wife 
Maria Isabella Cabral and do her ancestry.  This is a DNA match to my uncle.

MANUEL1  MONIZ was born about 1864 in Sao Miguel, Azores. He married  MARIA  
JULIA  PEREIRA.
She was born in Sao Miguel, Azores.
Manuel Moniz and Maria Julia Pereira had the following child:
2. i. DANIEL2 MONIZ was born on 18 Feb 1884 in Sao Miguel, Azores. He died in 
Oct
1944 in Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts. He married MARIA ISABELLA CABRAL.
She was born in 1888 in S. Jose de Ponta Delgada Azores. She died in 1921 in
Somerset, Bristol, Massachusetts. He married MARION L MONIZ. She was born
about 1897 in Azores.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Natural d'uma escrava(o)

[linda]

I don't think one can make that assumption.  The records I've seen for 
slaves-- baptisms and marriages-- always include the owner's names.  The 
owner's name is a part of the slave's social and legal identity.  It's 
analogous to a woman in the records rarely being identified without mention 
of her relationship to her father/parents or her husband.  

E., can you provide a link for the record your friend is wondering about?  
Who are the godparents for the child?  There may be a clue to paternity 
there.

John, Thank you for the succinct and cogent explanation of natural vs. 
illegitimate. It's helped to clarify my thoughts on the topic.

Linda
 
On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 11:41:02 AM UTC-7, "E" Sharp wrote:
>
> So is he to *assume* Jose is the father of Maria?? and Anna probably 
> worked for him??
>
> "E"
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:45 PM, Luciana Pio Raposo  > wrote:
>
>> Yes it does. Natural could either mean illegitimate or Maria, born to 
>> Anna , a slave of Jose.
>>
>>
>> Em sexta-feira, 1 de abril de 2016 01:51:35 UTC-3, "E" Sharp escreveu:
>>>
>>> Someone asked me this and I am not sure the google translation is 
>>> correct.Example...Maria natural de Anna d'uma escrava of Jose.  Does 
>>> this really mean Maria illegitimate child  of Anna who is a slave of 
>>> Jose??? 
>>>
>>> "E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Natural d'uma escrava(o)

["E" Sharp]

So is he to *assume* Jose is the father of Maria?? and Anna probably worked
for him??

"E"

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:45 PM, Luciana Pio Raposo 
wrote:

> Yes it does. Natural could either mean illegitimate or Maria, born to Anna
> , a slave of Jose.
>
>
> Em sexta-feira, 1 de abril de 2016 01:51:35 UTC-3, "E" Sharp escreveu:
>>
>> Someone asked me this and I am not sure the google translation is
>> correct.Example...Maria natural de Anna d'uma escrava of Jose.  Does
>> this really mean Maria illegitimate child  of Anna who is a slave of
>> Jose???
>>
>> "E"
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Natural d'uma escrava(o)

[Luciana Pio Raposo]

Yes it does. Natural could either mean illegitimate or Maria, born to Anna 
, a slave of Jose.


Em sexta-feira, 1 de abril de 2016 01:51:35 UTC-3, "E" Sharp escreveu:
>
> Someone asked me this and I am not sure the google translation is correct. 
>Example...Maria natural de Anna d'uma escrava of Jose.  Does this really 
> mean Maria illegitimate child  of Anna who is a slave of Jose??? 
>
> "E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lost couple--help with padrinhos please.

[Sandra Perez]

Thank you, Margaret.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Madrinha: Dona Rosa Maria da Conceicao religiosa do Convento de Santo
> Andre por procuracao que apresentou seu irmao Manuel Raposo filho de Dona
> Antonia Faustina
>
> D. Rosa Maria da Conceicao, regligious (of the cloth), (she could be a nun
> or superior) of St. Andre's Convent, by proxy presented by her brother
> Manuel Raposo son of D. Antonia Faustina.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Sandra Perez 
> wrote:
>
>> Forgot Anna's link.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1736-1740/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1736-1740_item1/P45.html
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Sandra Perez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have lost this couple.  Andre Pereira (Seixas) fo Manoel Furtado
>>> (Seixs) e Maria Pereira nal Sao Roque married Joanna do Espirito Santo fa
>>> Manoel Rodrigues? Freita? e Isabel Cabral nal Sao Sebastiao 12 Nov 1735
>>> Witnesses: Luis do Couto? e Antonio Machado--top left.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749_item1/P23.html
>>>
>>> I found one child.  Anna fa Andre Pereira e Joanna Cabral nal Sao
>>> Sebastiao b.10 Mar 1737 bap.
>>> 16 dito mes.  Padrinhos: Preist e Dona Rosa Maria da Conceicao
>>> -St. Andre -
>>> seu irmao Manoel Raposo fo Dona Antonia ?  Witnesses: Preist e Luis Rois
>>> da Motta.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sandra Perez
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Arganil Portugal - Marriage Record for Domingos Fernandes & Catherina Dias

[Margaret Vicente]

 em minha presenca Domingos Frz (Fernandes) filho de Bartolomeu Salao? m.or
(morador) na Vila de Salaviza e de Isabel Frz (Fernandes) desta Vila com
Catarina Dias filha de D.os Alvrs (Domingos Alvares) e de sua mulher Maria
Dias do lugar da Nogueira.

Domingos Fernandes son of Bartolomeu Salao? residing in the town of
Salaviza and of Isabel Fernandes of this town; with Catarina Dias daughter
of Domingos Alvares and his wife Maria dias of the Nogueira place.

Walt to me looks very close to Salao same name as the town which is not
unusual but it could be something else but that is what the letters seem to
indicate in comparison with the same word on the record below this one.

Margaret




On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 2:21 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Wow, I really like those scans from the mainland.
>
> I think it says Domingos Frz, filho (legitimate - might be abbreviated) de
> Bartolomeu Something (I want to say Silveira, but I really don't think
> that's right).
>
> I think you have the rest right.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lost couple--help with padrinhos please.

[Margaret Vicente]

Madrinha: Dona Rosa Maria da Conceicao religiosa do Convento de Santo Andre
por procuracao que apresentou seu irmao Manuel Raposo filho de Dona Antonia
Faustina

D. Rosa Maria da Conceicao, regligious (of the cloth), (she could be a nun
or superior) of St. Andre's Convent, by proxy presented by her brother
Manuel Raposo son of D. Antonia Faustina.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> Forgot Anna's link.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1736-1740/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1736-1740_item1/P45.html
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Sandra Perez 
> wrote:
>
>> I have lost this couple.  Andre Pereira (Seixas) fo Manoel Furtado
>> (Seixs) e Maria Pereira nal Sao Roque married Joanna do Espirito Santo fa
>> Manoel Rodrigues? Freita? e Isabel Cabral nal Sao Sebastiao 12 Nov 1735
>> Witnesses: Luis do Couto? e Antonio Machado--top left.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749_item1/P23.html
>>
>> I found one child.  Anna fa Andre Pereira e Joanna Cabral nal Sao
>> Sebastiao b.10 Mar 1737 bap.
>> 16 dito mes.  Padrinhos: Preist e Dona Rosa Maria da Conceicao
>> -St. Andre -
>> seu irmao Manoel Raposo fo Dona Antonia ?  Witnesses: Preist e Luis Rois
>> da Motta.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sandra Perez
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lost couple--help with padrinhos please.

[Sandra Perez]

Forgot Anna's link.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1736-1740/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1736-1740_item1/P45.html

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> I have lost this couple.  Andre Pereira (Seixas) fo Manoel Furtado (Seixs)
> e Maria Pereira nal Sao Roque married Joanna do Espirito Santo fa Manoel
> Rodrigues? Freita? e Isabel Cabral nal Sao Sebastiao 12 Nov 1735 Witnesses:
> Luis do Couto? e Antonio Machado--top left.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749_item1/P23.html
>
> I found one child.  Anna fa Andre Pereira e Joanna Cabral nal Sao
> Sebastiao b.10 Mar 1737 bap.
> 16 dito mes.  Padrinhos: Preist e Dona Rosa Maria da Conceicao
> -St. Andre -
> seu irmao Manoel Raposo fo Dona Antonia ?  Witnesses: Preist e Luis Rois
> da Motta.
>
>
>
> Sandra Perez
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Lost couple--help with padrinhos please.

[Sandra Perez]

I have lost this couple.  Andre Pereira (Seixas) fo Manoel Furtado (Seixs)
e Maria Pereira nal Sao Roque married Joanna do Espirito Santo fa Manoel
Rodrigues? Freita? e Isabel Cabral nal Sao Sebastiao 12 Nov 1735 Witnesses:
Luis do Couto? e Antonio Machado--top left.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749_item1/P23.html

I found one child.  Anna fa Andre Pereira e Joanna Cabral nal Sao Sebastiao
b.10 Mar 1737 bap.
16 dito mes.  Padrinhos: Preist e Dona Rosa Maria da Conceicao -St.
Andre -
seu irmao Manoel Raposo fo Dona Antonia ?  Witnesses: Preist e Luis Rois da
Motta.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Natural d'uma escrava(o)

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

More or less. In Portugal there is a difference between filho(a) natural and 
filho(a) ilegitimo(a). Filho natural means that the parent(s) was not married 
but could be if they wanted to, i.e. neither was married to anybody else. Filho 
illegitimo means that the child is illegitimate because the parent(s) was/were 
not free to marry because one or the other was married to somebody else. I have 
also seen the term "filho adulterino" in the case of a child born to a married 
woman whose husband had been away from the village so that he could not 
possibly be the biological father. In a small village there are no secrets. 

John Miranda Raposo
 

On Friday, April 1, 2016 12:51 AM, "E" Sharp"  wrote:
 

 Someone asked me this and I am not sure the google translation is correct.    
Example...Maria natural de Anna d'uma escrava of Jose.  Does this really mean 
Maria illegitimate child  of Anna who is a slave of Jose??? 
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