Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores

2016-04-17 Thread Mary Pimentel-Wheeler
Hi Eric. I really appreciate the help you've given me several times over the 
years. Yeah, Sebastiao is my mystery-man, I just can't seem to find any 
certainty in my Pimentel line beyond him.  I've looked at the marriage book 
(kindle version) till I'm cross eyed, but just can't find him or his parents.  
If he was 79(ish) when he died, that would put his birth around 1813, so now 
I'm going to start looking at the Santa  Cruz baptismos and see if I find 
anything around that time, +/- 10 years.  Those particular records are pretty 
hard to read, but who knows...maybe I'll find some clues.  Wish me luck!

Thanks again,
Mary Pimentel-Wheeler

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> On Apr 17, 2016, at 12:19 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
> 
> Mary, 
> 
>  I have found researching Flores over the last twenty years that the surnames 
> are not always recorded the same way on all documents. The alcunha part ( 
> Queiro, Batacao, etc) is often left off some records.
> 
> The parents are sometimes recorded wrong also. Not surprising 70 or 80 years 
> later , often in a a different town.
> 
> I looked at the obit record you referenced. 
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900_item1/P21.html
> 
> 26 Sep 1892  Lomba
> 
> Sebastiao Pimentel 79 yrs
> 
> widower of Maria da Trindade
> 
> legitimate son of Jose Pimentel Queiro and  Sebastiana de Jesus
> 
> 
> Looking through the Flores marriage book, I can not find any marriage for 
> those parents or for Sebastiao Pimentel and Maria da Trindade. 
> 
> The place they reference is Ribeira dos Barqueiros, part of the parish of the 
> town of Santa Cruz
> 
> 
> 
> Eric Edgar
>  
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  
>> wrote:
>> Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but it 
>> may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out.  I have a 
>> mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores) 
>> in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name 
>> Quiero.  I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito.  Now I'm 
>> wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Barqueiro, 
>> and that how Queiro became part of his name?  Just a thought.  I had not 
>> previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my Sebastiao came 
>> from the southern part of the island. 
>> 
>> So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do Barqueiro, 
>> Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo.  Could someone help me with 
>> the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones (ugh).  I'm not even 
>> sure I am in the right year on this one...
>> 
>> It's the 4th one down on the left page:
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html
>> 
>> 
>> I see:
>> Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ?
>> 
>> (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?)
>> 
>> Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado?
>> 
>> Maternos  ??? and Maria Freitas?
>> 
>> Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ??
>> 
>> Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make them 
>> out, so I'm not sure what it is saying.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for any help you have time to give.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

2016-04-17 Thread Sandra Perez
Thank you so much, Margaret.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Sandra, there is another child before Manuel. I emailed what I have
> directly to your email.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Sandra Perez 
> wrote:
>
>> JR, you are right about Isabel Lopes.  Margaret, Dionisio Fragoso's
>> daughter, Catarina Lopes, is my 9th g-grandmother. I would appreciate
>> anything you
>> have.  I believe I found Dionisio's first son, Manoel, however there is
>> something about the first line that confuses me. The record is poor--bottom
>> left.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647_item1/P70.html
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> John, I don't have much on this couple, other then the marriage record
>>> as per Sandra's link. The Mother of the bride is Isabel Lopes as confirmed
>>> by the baptismal records of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes' children.
>>>
>>> Sandra I'm wondering what your relationship to this couple's parents
>>> might be?  If you're interested I can email you what I have on the Fragoso
>>> parents and siblings albeit most if not all without baptismal records due
>>> to missing/ending paper trail for this Parish of Santa Cruz.  I suspect the
>>> Lopes line is from Agua d'Alto but have not followed up on it as it is not
>>> my direct line.
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sandra Perez 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois
 (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e
 Isabel? ?--top.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

2016-04-17 Thread Sandra Perez
It makes perfect sense.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 1:00 PM, JR  wrote:

> Sort of. Here is an excellent explanation form Margaret:
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/azores/exorcismo/azores/nM2LoHU-zyM
>
> On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 3:32:29 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:
>>
>> JR, do you "exorcism" as in expelling demons?
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 12:22 PM, JR  wrote:
>>
>>> In Oct of 1633, (bef. Oct 11 of next record), the priest says he
>>> performed "fez os exorcismo a Mel" ...page torn...? presumably it says
>>> filho de(?)  "Dionisio Fragoso a Padre Ruy Glz, foi baptizado em casa por
>>> Francisco Fragoso"
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:

 JR, you are right about Isabel Lopes.  Margaret, Dionisio Fragoso's
 daughter, Catarina Lopes, is my 9th g-grandmother. I would appreciate
 anything you
 have.  I believe I found Dionisio's first son, Manoel, however there is
 something about the first line that confuses me. The record is poor--bottom
 left.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647_item1/P70.html

 On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> John, I don't have much on this couple, other then the marriage record
> as per Sandra's link. The Mother of the bride is Isabel Lopes as confirmed
> by the baptismal records of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes' children.
>
> Sandra I'm wondering what your relationship to this couple's parents
> might be?  If you're interested I can email you what I have on the Fragoso
> parents and siblings albeit most if not all without baptismal records due
> to missing/ending paper trail for this Parish of Santa Cruz.  I suspect 
> the
> Lopes line is from Agua d'Alto but have not followed up on it as it is not
> my direct line.
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sandra Perez 
> wrote:
>
>> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida
>> Rois (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? 
>> Fragoso
>> e Isabel? ?--top.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

2016-04-17 Thread JR
Sort of. Here is an excellent explanation form Margaret:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/azores/exorcismo/azores/nM2LoHU-zyM

On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 3:32:29 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:
>
> JR, do you "exorcism" as in expelling demons?
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 12:22 PM, JR  
> wrote:
>
>> In Oct of 1633, (bef. Oct 11 of next record), the priest says he 
>> performed "fez os exorcismo a Mel" ...page torn...? presumably it says 
>> filho de(?)  "Dionisio Fragoso a Padre Ruy Glz, foi baptizado em casa por 
>> Francisco Fragoso"
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:
>>>
>>> JR, you are right about Isabel Lopes.  Margaret, Dionisio Fragoso's 
>>> daughter, Catarina Lopes, is my 9th g-grandmother. I would appreciate 
>>> anything you 
>>> have.  I believe I found Dionisio's first son, Manoel, however there is 
>>> something about the first line that confuses me. The record is poor--bottom 
>>> left.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647_item1/P70.html
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Margaret Vicente  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 John, I don't have much on this couple, other then the marriage record 
 as per Sandra's link. The Mother of the bride is Isabel Lopes as confirmed 
 by the baptismal records of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes' children.

 Sandra I'm wondering what your relationship to this couple's parents 
 might be?  If you're interested I can email you what I have on the Fragoso 
 parents and siblings albeit most if not all without baptismal records due 
 to missing/ending paper trail for this Parish of Santa Cruz.  I suspect 
 the 
 Lopes line is from Agua d'Alto but have not followed up on it as it is not 
 my direct line.

 Margaret



 On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sandra Perez  
 wrote:

> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida 
> Rois (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? 
> Fragoso 
> e Isabel? ?--top.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

2016-04-17 Thread Sandra Perez
JR, do you "exorcism" as in expelling demons?

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 12:22 PM, JR  wrote:

> In Oct of 1633, (bef. Oct 11 of next record), the priest says he performed
> "fez os exorcismo a Mel" ...page torn...? presumably it says filho de(?)
>  "Dionisio Fragoso a Padre Ruy Glz, foi baptizado em casa por Francisco
> Fragoso"
>
> JR
>
> On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:
>>
>> JR, you are right about Isabel Lopes.  Margaret, Dionisio Fragoso's
>> daughter, Catarina Lopes, is my 9th g-grandmother. I would appreciate
>> anything you
>> have.  I believe I found Dionisio's first son, Manoel, however there is
>> something about the first line that confuses me. The record is poor--bottom
>> left.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647_item1/P70.html
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Margaret Vicente 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John, I don't have much on this couple, other then the marriage record
>>> as per Sandra's link. The Mother of the bride is Isabel Lopes as confirmed
>>> by the baptismal records of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes' children.
>>>
>>> Sandra I'm wondering what your relationship to this couple's parents
>>> might be?  If you're interested I can email you what I have on the Fragoso
>>> parents and siblings albeit most if not all without baptismal records due
>>> to missing/ending paper trail for this Parish of Santa Cruz.  I suspect the
>>> Lopes line is from Agua d'Alto but have not followed up on it as it is not
>>> my direct line.
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sandra Perez 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois
 (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e
 Isabel? ?--top.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores

2016-04-17 Thread luiznoia .
Mary,

 I have found researching Flores over the last twenty years that the
surnames are not always recorded the same way on all documents. The alcunha
part ( Queiro, Batacao, etc) is often left off some records.

The parents are sometimes recorded wrong also. Not surprising 70 or 80
years later , often in a a different town.

I looked at the obit record you referenced.
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900_item1/P21.html

26 Sep 1892  Lomba

Sebastiao Pimentel 79 yrs

widower of Maria da Trindade

legitimate son of Jose Pimentel Queiro and  Sebastiana de Jesus


Looking through the Flores marriage book, I can not find any marriage for
those parents or for Sebastiao Pimentel and Maria da Trindade.

The place they reference is Ribeira dos Barqueiros, part of the parish of
the town of Santa Cruz



Eric Edgar



On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler 
wrote:

> Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but
> it may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out.  I have a
> mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores)
> in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name
> Quiero.  I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito.  Now I'm
> wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Bar
> *queiro*, and that how Queiro became part of his name?  Just a thought.
> I had not previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my
> Sebastiao came from the southern part of the island.
>
> So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do
> Barqueiro, Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo.  Could someone
> help me with the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones
> (ugh).  I'm not even sure I am in the right year on this one...
>
> It's the 4th one down on the left page:
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html
>
> I see:
>
> Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ?
>
> (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?)
>
> Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado?
>
> Maternos  ??? and Maria Freitas?
>
> Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ??
>
> Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make them
> out, so I'm not sure what it is saying.
>
>
> Thanks for any help you have time to give.
>
>
> Mary
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

2016-04-17 Thread JR
In Oct of 1633, (bef. Oct 11 of next record), the priest says he performed 
"fez os exorcismo a Mel" ...page torn...? presumably it says filho de(?) 
 "Dionisio Fragoso a Padre Ruy Glz, foi baptizado em casa por Francisco 
Fragoso"

JR

On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:
>
> JR, you are right about Isabel Lopes.  Margaret, Dionisio Fragoso's 
> daughter, Catarina Lopes, is my 9th g-grandmother. I would appreciate 
> anything you 
> have.  I believe I found Dionisio's first son, Manoel, however there is 
> something about the first line that confuses me. The record is poor--bottom 
> left.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647_item1/P70.html
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Margaret Vicente  > wrote:
>
>> John, I don't have much on this couple, other then the marriage record as 
>> per Sandra's link. The Mother of the bride is Isabel Lopes as confirmed by 
>> the baptismal records of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes' children.
>>
>> Sandra I'm wondering what your relationship to this couple's parents 
>> might be?  If you're interested I can email you what I have on the Fragoso 
>> parents and siblings albeit most if not all without baptismal records due 
>> to missing/ending paper trail for this Parish of Santa Cruz.  I suspect the 
>> Lopes line is from Agua d'Alto but have not followed up on it as it is not 
>> my direct line.
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sandra Perez > > wrote:
>>
>>> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois 
>>> (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e 
>>> Isabel? ?--top.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

2016-04-17 Thread Sandra Perez
JR, you are right about Isabel Lopes.  Margaret, Dionisio Fragoso's
daughter, Catarina Lopes, is my 9th g-grandmother. I would appreciate
anything you
have.  I believe I found Dionisio's first son, Manoel, however there is
something about the first line that confuses me. The record is poor--bottom
left.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647_item1/P70.html

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> John, I don't have much on this couple, other then the marriage record as
> per Sandra's link. The Mother of the bride is Isabel Lopes as confirmed by
> the baptismal records of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes' children.
>
> Sandra I'm wondering what your relationship to this couple's parents might
> be?  If you're interested I can email you what I have on the Fragoso
> parents and siblings albeit most if not all without baptismal records due
> to missing/ending paper trail for this Parish of Santa Cruz.  I suspect the
> Lopes line is from Agua d'Alto but have not followed up on it as it is not
> my direct line.
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sandra Perez 
> wrote:
>
>> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois
>> (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e
>> Isabel? ?--top.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

2016-04-17 Thread Margaret Vicente
John, I don't have much on this couple, other then the marriage record as
per Sandra's link. The Mother of the bride is Isabel Lopes as confirmed by
the baptismal records of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes' children.

Sandra I'm wondering what your relationship to this couple's parents might
be?  If you're interested I can email you what I have on the Fragoso
parents and siblings albeit most if not all without baptismal records due
to missing/ending paper trail for this Parish of Santa Cruz.  I suspect the
Lopes line is from Agua d'Alto but have not followed up on it as it is not
my direct line.

Margaret



On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois
> (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e
> Isabel? ?--top.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Why was the paternal ancestor name column deleted from the Azores DNA project

2016-04-17 Thread A F
I would like to know why the paternal ancestor column no longer appears in 
the Azores DNA project. Without that column in my opinion the project is 
fairly useless.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

2016-04-17 Thread JR
I don't think you missed anything, it's just a difficult record. I do know 
that Isabel is Isabel Lopes, but certainly not from reading that record! I 
believe all these Fragosos appear to be related. But proving it is another 
matter. I think Manuel and Margaret have Fragoso ancestors. The majority 
appear to be in Lagoa.

JR

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>
> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois 
> (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e 
> Isabel? ?--top.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html
>
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