Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores
Hi Eric. I really appreciate the help you've given me several times over the years. Yeah, Sebastiao is my mystery-man, I just can't seem to find any certainty in my Pimentel line beyond him. I've looked at the marriage book (kindle version) till I'm cross eyed, but just can't find him or his parents. If he was 79(ish) when he died, that would put his birth around 1813, so now I'm going to start looking at the Santa Cruz baptismos and see if I find anything around that time, +/- 10 years. Those particular records are pretty hard to read, but who knows...maybe I'll find some clues. Wish me luck! Thanks again, Mary Pimentel-Wheeler Sent from my iPad > On Apr 17, 2016, at 12:19 PM, luiznoia .wrote: > > Mary, > > I have found researching Flores over the last twenty years that the surnames > are not always recorded the same way on all documents. The alcunha part ( > Queiro, Batacao, etc) is often left off some records. > > The parents are sometimes recorded wrong also. Not surprising 70 or 80 years > later , often in a a different town. > > I looked at the obit record you referenced. > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900_item1/P21.html > > 26 Sep 1892 Lomba > > Sebastiao Pimentel 79 yrs > > widower of Maria da Trindade > > legitimate son of Jose Pimentel Queiro and Sebastiana de Jesus > > > Looking through the Flores marriage book, I can not find any marriage for > those parents or for Sebastiao Pimentel and Maria da Trindade. > > The place they reference is Ribeira dos Barqueiros, part of the parish of the > town of Santa Cruz > > > > Eric Edgar > > > >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler >> wrote: >> Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but it >> may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out. I have a >> mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores) >> in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name >> Quiero. I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito. Now I'm >> wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Barqueiro, >> and that how Queiro became part of his name? Just a thought. I had not >> previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my Sebastiao came >> from the southern part of the island. >> >> So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do Barqueiro, >> Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo. Could someone help me with >> the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones (ugh). I'm not even >> sure I am in the right year on this one... >> >> It's the 4th one down on the left page: >> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html >> >> >> I see: >> Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ? >> >> (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?) >> >> Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado? >> >> Maternos ??? and Maria Freitas? >> >> Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ?? >> >> Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make them >> out, so I'm not sure what it is saying. >> >> >> >> Thanks for any help you have time to give. >> >> >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right >> that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/BWKB_bp4JJU/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?
Thank you so much, Margaret. On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Margaret Vicentewrote: > Sandra, there is another child before Manuel. I emailed what I have > directly to your email. > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Sandra Perez > wrote: > >> JR, you are right about Isabel Lopes. Margaret, Dionisio Fragoso's >> daughter, Catarina Lopes, is my 9th g-grandmother. I would appreciate >> anything you >> have. I believe I found Dionisio's first son, Manoel, however there is >> something about the first line that confuses me. The record is poor--bottom >> left. >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647_item1/P70.html >> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Margaret Vicente < >> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> John, I don't have much on this couple, other then the marriage record >>> as per Sandra's link. The Mother of the bride is Isabel Lopes as confirmed >>> by the baptismal records of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes' children. >>> >>> Sandra I'm wondering what your relationship to this couple's parents >>> might be? If you're interested I can email you what I have on the Fragoso >>> parents and siblings albeit most if not all without baptismal records due >>> to missing/ending paper trail for this Parish of Santa Cruz. I suspect the >>> Lopes line is from Agua d'Alto but have not followed up on it as it is not >>> my direct line. >>> >>> Margaret >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sandra Perez >>> wrote: >>> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e Isabel? ?--top. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html -- Sandra Perez -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Margaret M Vicente >>> >>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>> membership." >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sandra Perez >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Margaret M Vicente > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Sandra Perez -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?
It makes perfect sense. On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 1:00 PM, JRwrote: > Sort of. Here is an excellent explanation form Margaret: > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/azores/exorcismo/azores/nM2LoHU-zyM > > On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 3:32:29 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote: >> >> JR, do you "exorcism" as in expelling demons? >> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 12:22 PM, JR wrote: >> >>> In Oct of 1633, (bef. Oct 11 of next record), the priest says he >>> performed "fez os exorcismo a Mel" ...page torn...? presumably it says >>> filho de(?) "Dionisio Fragoso a Padre Ruy Glz, foi baptizado em casa por >>> Francisco Fragoso" >>> >>> JR >>> >>> On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote: JR, you are right about Isabel Lopes. Margaret, Dionisio Fragoso's daughter, Catarina Lopes, is my 9th g-grandmother. I would appreciate anything you have. I believe I found Dionisio's first son, Manoel, however there is something about the first line that confuses me. The record is poor--bottom left. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647_item1/P70.html On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Margaret Vicente wrote: > John, I don't have much on this couple, other then the marriage record > as per Sandra's link. The Mother of the bride is Isabel Lopes as confirmed > by the baptismal records of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes' children. > > Sandra I'm wondering what your relationship to this couple's parents > might be? If you're interested I can email you what I have on the Fragoso > parents and siblings albeit most if not all without baptismal records due > to missing/ending paper trail for this Parish of Santa Cruz. I suspect > the > Lopes line is from Agua d'Alto but have not followed up on it as it is not > my direct line. > > Margaret > > > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sandra Perez > wrote: > >> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida >> Rois (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? >> Fragoso >> e Isabel? ?--top. >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html >> >> >> -- >> Sandra Perez >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Margaret M Vicente > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Sandra Perez >>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>> membership." >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sandra Perez >> > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?
Sort of. Here is an excellent explanation form Margaret: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/azores/exorcismo/azores/nM2LoHU-zyM On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 3:32:29 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote: > > JR, do you "exorcism" as in expelling demons? > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 12:22 PM, JR> wrote: > >> In Oct of 1633, (bef. Oct 11 of next record), the priest says he >> performed "fez os exorcismo a Mel" ...page torn...? presumably it says >> filho de(?) "Dionisio Fragoso a Padre Ruy Glz, foi baptizado em casa por >> Francisco Fragoso" >> >> JR >> >> On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote: >>> >>> JR, you are right about Isabel Lopes. Margaret, Dionisio Fragoso's >>> daughter, Catarina Lopes, is my 9th g-grandmother. I would appreciate >>> anything you >>> have. I believe I found Dionisio's first son, Manoel, however there is >>> something about the first line that confuses me. The record is poor--bottom >>> left. >>> >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647_item1/P70.html >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Margaret Vicente >>> wrote: >>> John, I don't have much on this couple, other then the marriage record as per Sandra's link. The Mother of the bride is Isabel Lopes as confirmed by the baptismal records of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes' children. Sandra I'm wondering what your relationship to this couple's parents might be? If you're interested I can email you what I have on the Fragoso parents and siblings albeit most if not all without baptismal records due to missing/ending paper trail for this Parish of Santa Cruz. I suspect the Lopes line is from Agua d'Alto but have not followed up on it as it is not my direct line. Margaret On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sandra Perez wrote: > Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida > Rois (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? > Fragoso > e Isabel? ?--top. > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html > > > -- > Sandra Perez > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sandra Perez >>> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Sandra Perez > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?
JR, do you "exorcism" as in expelling demons? On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 12:22 PM, JRwrote: > In Oct of 1633, (bef. Oct 11 of next record), the priest says he performed > "fez os exorcismo a Mel" ...page torn...? presumably it says filho de(?) > "Dionisio Fragoso a Padre Ruy Glz, foi baptizado em casa por Francisco > Fragoso" > > JR > > On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote: >> >> JR, you are right about Isabel Lopes. Margaret, Dionisio Fragoso's >> daughter, Catarina Lopes, is my 9th g-grandmother. I would appreciate >> anything you >> have. I believe I found Dionisio's first son, Manoel, however there is >> something about the first line that confuses me. The record is poor--bottom >> left. >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647_item1/P70.html >> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Margaret Vicente >> wrote: >> >>> John, I don't have much on this couple, other then the marriage record >>> as per Sandra's link. The Mother of the bride is Isabel Lopes as confirmed >>> by the baptismal records of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes' children. >>> >>> Sandra I'm wondering what your relationship to this couple's parents >>> might be? If you're interested I can email you what I have on the Fragoso >>> parents and siblings albeit most if not all without baptismal records due >>> to missing/ending paper trail for this Parish of Santa Cruz. I suspect the >>> Lopes line is from Agua d'Alto but have not followed up on it as it is not >>> my direct line. >>> >>> Margaret >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sandra Perez >>> wrote: >>> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e Isabel? ?--top. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html -- Sandra Perez -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Margaret M Vicente >>> >>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>> membership." >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sandra Perez >> > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Sandra Perez -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores
Mary, I have found researching Flores over the last twenty years that the surnames are not always recorded the same way on all documents. The alcunha part ( Queiro, Batacao, etc) is often left off some records. The parents are sometimes recorded wrong also. Not surprising 70 or 80 years later , often in a a different town. I looked at the obit record you referenced. http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900_item1/P21.html 26 Sep 1892 Lomba Sebastiao Pimentel 79 yrs widower of Maria da Trindade legitimate son of Jose Pimentel Queiro and Sebastiana de Jesus Looking through the Flores marriage book, I can not find any marriage for those parents or for Sebastiao Pimentel and Maria da Trindade. The place they reference is Ribeira dos Barqueiros, part of the parish of the town of Santa Cruz Eric Edgar On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheelerwrote: > Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but > it may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out. I have a > mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores) > in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name > Quiero. I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito. Now I'm > wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Bar > *queiro*, and that how Queiro became part of his name? Just a thought. > I had not previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my > Sebastiao came from the southern part of the island. > > So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do > Barqueiro, Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo. Could someone > help me with the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones > (ugh). I'm not even sure I am in the right year on this one... > > It's the 4th one down on the left page: > > > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html > > I see: > > Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ? > > (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?) > > Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado? > > Maternos ??? and Maria Freitas? > > Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ?? > > Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make them > out, so I'm not sure what it is saying. > > > Thanks for any help you have time to give. > > > Mary > > > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?
In Oct of 1633, (bef. Oct 11 of next record), the priest says he performed "fez os exorcismo a Mel" ...page torn...? presumably it says filho de(?) "Dionisio Fragoso a Padre Ruy Glz, foi baptizado em casa por Francisco Fragoso" JR On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote: > > JR, you are right about Isabel Lopes. Margaret, Dionisio Fragoso's > daughter, Catarina Lopes, is my 9th g-grandmother. I would appreciate > anything you > have. I believe I found Dionisio's first son, Manoel, however there is > something about the first line that confuses me. The record is poor--bottom > left. > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647_item1/P70.html > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Margaret Vicente> wrote: > >> John, I don't have much on this couple, other then the marriage record as >> per Sandra's link. The Mother of the bride is Isabel Lopes as confirmed by >> the baptismal records of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes' children. >> >> Sandra I'm wondering what your relationship to this couple's parents >> might be? If you're interested I can email you what I have on the Fragoso >> parents and siblings albeit most if not all without baptismal records due >> to missing/ending paper trail for this Parish of Santa Cruz. I suspect the >> Lopes line is from Agua d'Alto but have not followed up on it as it is not >> my direct line. >> >> Margaret >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sandra Perez > > wrote: >> >>> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois >>> (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e >>> Isabel? ?--top. >>> >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sandra Perez >>> >>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>> membership." >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Margaret M Vicente >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Sandra Perez > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?
JR, you are right about Isabel Lopes. Margaret, Dionisio Fragoso's daughter, Catarina Lopes, is my 9th g-grandmother. I would appreciate anything you have. I believe I found Dionisio's first son, Manoel, however there is something about the first line that confuses me. The record is poor--bottom left. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1616-1647_item1/P70.html On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Margaret Vicentewrote: > John, I don't have much on this couple, other then the marriage record as > per Sandra's link. The Mother of the bride is Isabel Lopes as confirmed by > the baptismal records of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes' children. > > Sandra I'm wondering what your relationship to this couple's parents might > be? If you're interested I can email you what I have on the Fragoso > parents and siblings albeit most if not all without baptismal records due > to missing/ending paper trail for this Parish of Santa Cruz. I suspect the > Lopes line is from Agua d'Alto but have not followed up on it as it is not > my direct line. > > Margaret > > > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sandra Perez > wrote: > >> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois >> (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e >> Isabel? ?--top. >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html >> >> >> -- >> Sandra Perez >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Margaret M Vicente > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Sandra Perez -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?
John, I don't have much on this couple, other then the marriage record as per Sandra's link. The Mother of the bride is Isabel Lopes as confirmed by the baptismal records of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes' children. Sandra I'm wondering what your relationship to this couple's parents might be? If you're interested I can email you what I have on the Fragoso parents and siblings albeit most if not all without baptismal records due to missing/ending paper trail for this Parish of Santa Cruz. I suspect the Lopes line is from Agua d'Alto but have not followed up on it as it is not my direct line. Margaret On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sandra Perezwrote: > Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois > (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e > Isabel? ?--top. > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html > > > -- > Sandra Perez > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Why was the paternal ancestor name column deleted from the Azores DNA project
I would like to know why the paternal ancestor column no longer appears in the Azores DNA project. Without that column in my opinion the project is fairly useless. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?
I don't think you missed anything, it's just a difficult record. I do know that Isabel is Isabel Lopes, but certainly not from reading that record! I believe all these Fragosos appear to be related. But proving it is another matter. I think Manuel and Margaret have Fragoso ancestors. The majority appear to be in Lagoa. JR On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote: > > Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois > (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e > Isabel? ?--top. > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html > > > -- > Sandra Perez > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.