Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores
Mary, Here is the Lomba obito for, Maria da Trindae, the wife of Jose Pimentel Queiro http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1876-1890/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1876-1890_item1/P80.html This may help to get a positive identification on your mystery man by her parents. On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler wrote: > Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but > it may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out. I have a > mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores) > in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name > Quiero. I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito. Now I'm > wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Bar > *queiro*, and that how Queiro became part of his name? Just a thought. > I had not previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my > Sebastiao came from the southern part of the island. > > So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do > Barqueiro, Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo. Could someone > help me with the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones > (ugh). I'm not even sure I am in the right year on this one... > > It's the 4th one down on the left page: > > > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html > > I see: > > Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ? > > (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?) > > Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado? > > Maternos ??? and Maria Freitas? > > Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ?? > > Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make them > out, so I'm not sure what it is saying. > > > Thanks for any help you have time to give. > > > Mary > > > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?
Hard to read, but here I go: Francisco ...? Moniz, Manuel Pereira, Matias Carreiro, Miguel Carreiro, Apolinário da Costa, Clemente? Roiz. Manoel Em segunda-feira, 18 de abril de 2016 18:18:08 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu: > > Manoel, I just found the marriage of Dionsio Fragoso and Catarina de > Revoredo. Can you help me with the witnesses? 3rd from top. > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1555-1610/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1555-1610_item1/P100.html > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 1:41 PM, mances > > wrote: > >> Sandra, >> I descend from Ana Fragoso the daughter of Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina >> de Revoredo. She married Francisco Pereira in Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632 >> and died in Rosário da Lagoa on 27 dec 1690. >> >> Manoel >> >> Em segunda-feira, 18 de abril de 2016 16:50:22 UTC-3, Sandra Perez >> escreveu: >>> >>> Manoel, I descend from Catarina Lopes (9th g-grandmother). Who do you >>> descend from? >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:23 AM, mances wrote: >>> I think that Dionísio Fragoso who married Isabel Lopes is the son of my ancestors Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 sep 1593 - CCA #100. Manoel Cesar Furtado Em domingo, 17 de abril de 2016 09:40:39 UTC-3, JR escreveu: > > I don't think you missed anything, it's just a difficult record. I do > know that Isabel is Isabel Lopes, but certainly not from reading that > record! I believe all these Fragosos appear to be related. But proving it > is another matter. I think Manuel and Margaret have Fragoso ancestors. > The > majority appear to be in Lagoa. > > JR > > On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote: >> >> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida >> Rois (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? >> Fragoso >> e Isabel? ?--top. >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html >> >> >> -- >> Sandra Perez >> > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sandra Perez >>> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Sandra Perez > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: abbreviation Fernandez or Gonzalez
Philippe, merci for your researching in yr data base. D'acord, c'est un nickname. Merci. Maria Elena > On Apr 18, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Philippe GARNIER > wrote: > > Maria, > > J'ai recherché dans ma base de données. Bien que cela soit un peu différent, > il existe deux noms qui ressemblent un peu au nom après Fernandes : Brioso e > Bravo. Mais, c'est peut-être un nickname, as you said. > > Abraços > > Philippe > Le jeudi 7 avril 2016 15:05:20 UTC+2, Maria a écrit : >> >> >> Top right hand 4th line from bottom- >> >> The abbreviations for Fernandez and Gonzales seem so similar to me >> >> Is Maria Martins father named Andre FERNANDEZ RAPOZO? I know the mother is >> Maria Goncalvez. The Fernandez abbreviation does look different but not >> sure. I found this name on Family Search but it said Fernandez. But then, >> they didn't enter the name Rapozo either.Is is Rapozo after the name >> Fernandez? >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-C-1551-1681/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-C-1551-1681_item1/P65.html >> >> >> >> >> Maria Elena > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: abbreviation Fernandez or Gonzalez
Maria, J'ai recherché dans ma base de données. Bien que cela soit un peu différent, il existe deux noms qui ressemblent un peu au nom après Fernandes : Brioso e Bravo. Mais, c'est peut-être un nickname, as you said. Abraços Philippe Le jeudi 7 avril 2016 15:05:20 UTC+2, Maria a écrit : > > > Top right hand 4th line from bottom- > > The abbreviations for Fernandez and Gonzales seem so similar to me > > Is Maria Martins father named Andre FERNANDEZ RAPOZO? I know the mother > is Maria Goncalvez. The Fernandez abbreviation does look different but > not sure. I found this name on Family Search but it said Fernandez. But > then, they didn't enter the name Rapozo either.Is is Rapozo after the > name Fernandez? > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-C-1551-1681/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-C-1551-1681_item1/P65.html > > > > > Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?
Manoel, I just found the marriage of Dionsio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo. Can you help me with the witnesses? 3rd from top. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1555-1610/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1555-1610_item1/P100.html On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 1:41 PM, mances wrote: > Sandra, > I descend from Ana Fragoso the daughter of Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina > de Revoredo. She married Francisco Pereira in Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632 > and died in Rosário da Lagoa on 27 dec 1690. > > Manoel > > Em segunda-feira, 18 de abril de 2016 16:50:22 UTC-3, Sandra Perez > escreveu: >> >> Manoel, I descend from Catarina Lopes (9th g-grandmother). Who do you >> descend from? >> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:23 AM, mances wrote: >> >>> I think that Dionísio Fragoso who married Isabel Lopes is the son of my >>> ancestors Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da >>> Lagoa on 20 sep 1593 - CCA #100. >>> >>> Manoel Cesar Furtado >>> >>> >>> Em domingo, 17 de abril de 2016 09:40:39 UTC-3, JR escreveu: I don't think you missed anything, it's just a difficult record. I do know that Isabel is Isabel Lopes, but certainly not from reading that record! I believe all these Fragosos appear to be related. But proving it is another matter. I think Manuel and Margaret have Fragoso ancestors. The majority appear to be in Lagoa. JR On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote: > > Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida > Rois (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? > Fragoso > e Isabel? ?--top. > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html > > > -- > Sandra Perez > -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>> membership." >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sandra Perez >> > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Sandra Perez -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?
Sandra, I descend from Ana Fragoso the daughter of Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo. She married Francisco Pereira in Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632 and died in Rosário da Lagoa on 27 dec 1690. Manoel Em segunda-feira, 18 de abril de 2016 16:50:22 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu: > > Manoel, I descend from Catarina Lopes (9th g-grandmother). Who do you > descend from? > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:23 AM, mances > > wrote: > >> I think that Dionísio Fragoso who married Isabel Lopes is the son of my >> ancestors Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da >> Lagoa on 20 sep 1593 - CCA #100. >> >> Manoel Cesar Furtado >> >> >> Em domingo, 17 de abril de 2016 09:40:39 UTC-3, JR escreveu: >>> >>> I don't think you missed anything, it's just a difficult record. I do >>> know that Isabel is Isabel Lopes, but certainly not from reading that >>> record! I believe all these Fragosos appear to be related. But proving it >>> is another matter. I think Manuel and Margaret have Fragoso ancestors. The >>> majority appear to be in Lagoa. >>> >>> JR >>> >>> On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote: Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e Isabel? ?--top. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html -- Sandra Perez >>> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Sandra Perez > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?
Manoel, I descend from Catarina Lopes (9th g-grandmother). Who do you descend from? On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:23 AM, mances wrote: > I think that Dionísio Fragoso who married Isabel Lopes is the son of my > ancestors Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da > Lagoa on 20 sep 1593 - CCA #100. > > Manoel Cesar Furtado > > > Em domingo, 17 de abril de 2016 09:40:39 UTC-3, JR escreveu: >> >> I don't think you missed anything, it's just a difficult record. I do >> know that Isabel is Isabel Lopes, but certainly not from reading that >> record! I believe all these Fragosos appear to be related. But proving it >> is another matter. I think Manuel and Margaret have Fragoso ancestors. The >> majority appear to be in Lagoa. >> >> JR >> >> On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote: >>> >>> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois >>> (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e >>> Isabel? ?--top. >>> >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sandra Perez >>> >> -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Sandra Perez -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores
Mary, This is the marriage of this Jose's parents from Santa Cruz. José Tomás Pimentel [f.º de António José Pimentel Batacão e de Mariana Furtado] c. 1832.01.23 c. Rosa Maria [f.ª de pai incógnito e de Ana de Freitas Lajedo, mulher de António de Freitas Podrigão, ausente]. Eric Edgar On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:48 PM, linda wrote: > > Hi Mary, > > That's a difficult record, but this is what I think I see: > > Joze filho de Joze Ma[noel?] Pimentel Canellas e sua m.er Ro.a Maria > P.. > n.es freguezes desta Matriz de N. Snr.a da Conceicao ... Villa e > ... ilha das > Flores neta pela parte paterna de Antonio Joze Pimentel Botacao ed ... Mar. > [ianna?] Furtado e pela materno de [Pai?] incognito e de Anna de brita.. > Leg.. > da, nasceo emos Vinte tres dias do mez de [Fevereiro?].. de mil oito > centos > trinta e Sinco ; e foi baptizado por mim OuVidor e Vig.ro > . abai > cho [asigna?]do emos Vinte quatro dias dad.o mez, e anno. Foi Padrinho > Joze > ... dos Reis testemunhos Antonio Jose e Manoel > F que > para constar fiz este termo era et supra > > Canellas and Botacao aren't names I'm familiar with, so there's a good > chance I'm transcribing them incorrectly. I saw "Anna de brita", but I > looked again after rereading your note, and think you're right that the > name is "Freitas" > > hope this helps, > > Linda > > On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 1:30:08 PM UTC-7, Mary Pimentel Wheeler wrote: >> >> Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but >> it may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out. I have a >> mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores) >> in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name >> Quiero. I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito. Now I'm >> wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Bar >> *queiro*, and that how Queiro became part of his name? Just a thought. >> I had not previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my >> Sebastiao came from the southern part of the island. >> >> So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do >> Barqueiro, Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo. Could someone >> help me with the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones >> (ugh). I'm not even sure I am in the right year on this one... >> >> It's the 4th one down on the left page: >> >> >> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html >> >> I see: >> >> Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ? >> >> (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?) >> >> Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado? >> >> Maternos ??? and Maria Freitas? >> >> Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ?? >> >> Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make >> them out, so I'm not sure what it is saying. >> >> >> Thanks for any help you have time to give. >> >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> >> -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?
I think that Dionísio Fragoso who married Isabel Lopes is the son of my ancestors Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 sep 1593 - CCA #100. Manoel Cesar Furtado Em domingo, 17 de abril de 2016 09:40:39 UTC-3, JR escreveu: > > I don't think you missed anything, it's just a difficult record. I do know > that Isabel is Isabel Lopes, but certainly not from reading that record! I > believe all these Fragosos appear to be related. But proving it is another > matter. I think Manuel and Margaret have Fragoso ancestors. The majority > appear to be in Lagoa. > > JR > > On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote: >> >> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois >> (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e >> Isabel? ?--top. >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html >> >> >> -- >> Sandra Perez >> > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores
This seems the most likely match for the Sebastiao and Maria da Trindade in the obito. Lomba José Sebastião Pimentel [26 anos, f.º de Sebastião José Pimentel e de Maria da Trindade do Coração de Jesus] c. 1886.08.19 c. Maria Gonçalves de Freitas [18 anos, f.ª de João António Gonçalves e de Isabel da Trindade do Coração de Jesus]. Eric Edgar On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 12:19 PM, luiznoia . wrote: > Mary, > > I have found researching Flores over the last twenty years that the > surnames are not always recorded the same way on all documents. The alcunha > part ( Queiro, Batacao, etc) is often left off some records. > > The parents are sometimes recorded wrong also. Not surprising 70 or 80 > years later , often in a a different town. > > I looked at the obit record you referenced. > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900_item1/P21.html > > 26 Sep 1892 Lomba > > Sebastiao Pimentel 79 yrs > > widower of Maria da Trindade > > legitimate son of Jose Pimentel Queiro and Sebastiana de Jesus > > > Looking through the Flores marriage book, I can not find any marriage for > those parents or for Sebastiao Pimentel and Maria da Trindade. > > The place they reference is Ribeira dos Barqueiros, part of the parish of > the town of Santa Cruz > > > > Eric Edgar > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler > wrote: > >> Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but >> it may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out. I have a >> mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores) >> in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name >> Quiero. I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito. Now I'm >> wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Bar >> *queiro*, and that how Queiro became part of his name? Just a thought. >> I had not previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my >> Sebastiao came from the southern part of the island. >> >> So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do >> Barqueiro, Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo. Could someone >> help me with the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones >> (ugh). I'm not even sure I am in the right year on this one... >> >> It's the 4th one down on the left page: >> >> >> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html >> >> I see: >> >> Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ? >> >> (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?) >> >> Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado? >> >> Maternos ??? and Maria Freitas? >> >> Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ?? >> >> Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make >> them out, so I'm not sure what it is saying. >> >> >> Thanks for any help you have time to give. >> >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.