[AZORES-Genealogy] Reason for duplicate record?

[Eric Souza]

When looking for the birth record for a great(x5) uncle, I found it ... 
twice! 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1762-1780/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1762-1780_item1/P107.html

Jozé Antonio de Borba in the middle and bottom right. 

Anyone know why there would be the duplicate? Pretty handwriting, too.

Thanks,
Eric

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Marie's information has been incredible for me as I've been learning about 
my family's history (our shared history!) - I am so grateful for the 
research she has done and how well organized it is! Thanks again, Marie! 
Sorry I won't get the chance to meet you in Salt Lake City.

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>
> Thank you Eric and Joao for providing the translations for these records.  
> My information is now more certain.  Rosemarie, that's a good idea to use 
> these for future reference.  There is always something to learn no matter 
> how long I have been researching my ancestors.  I was hoping to attend the 
> conference this year; but we will be celebrating my granddaughter's 6th 
> birthday in San Antonio, Texas (we live in San Diego, CA). Maybe next year?
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 6:44:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>
>> I've been searching for the birth record for my third 
>> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the 
>> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - 
>> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal 
>> line ends.
>>
>> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>>
>> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
>> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
>> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
>> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>>
>> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>>
>> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I 
>> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a 
>> few years before and after.
>>
>> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> - Eric
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Today Amazon is offering free Ebook called Us and Them by Bill Meara

[Nancy Couto]

The free eBook can be downloaded to any device that has the Kindle app. You 
don't need to have a Kindle. I just downloaded it to my iPad. The family lived 
ten years in Europe, but only three of those years were spent in the Azores.

Nancy

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:23 PM, Diana R G  wrote:
> 
> It is only allowing it to be downloaded to a Kindle free at this time. 
> 
>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, George Medeiros  wrote:
>> The book Us and Them is about a U.S. family living ten years in the 
>> Azores...George
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new trees (Gedcom viewer)

[Cheri Mello]

I haven't played around too much with them. They look to be the same thing.
They changed around the navigation is all.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new trees (Gedcom viewer)

[Mary Bordi]

Thanks for the alert! I found the previous trees next to impossible to
navigate on my iPad. At first glance the new tree seems to be much easier
to view!

Mary
Norte Grande and Rosais Sao Jorge

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> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)
>
> Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) has apparently rolled out their new Gedcom viewer.
> I knew they were working on a new display for the Gedcoms. Nothing was said
> about when it would take place. Well it's here now. I guess we all get to
> play around with it.
>
> I don't know if they put in marriage dates or take into account about that
> "middle" name field that doesn't work for us (and other cultures as well).
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verify bride's age and birth place.

[Sandra Perez]

Thank you, Joe

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:

> I believe you have the right info.
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Sandra Perez 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Vriginio Cabral fo Francisco Joaquim Cabral e Francisca de Jesus m. Maria
>> Harminda? fa Alfredo
>> de Matos Sousa e Francisca de Jesus 11 Nov 1896--two pages. I see the
>> bride's age as 17.  It also looks like she was born in NS do Rosario.
>>
>> Right bottom
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1890-1899/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1890-1899_item1/P170.html
>>
>> Top left
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1890-1899/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1890-1899_item1/P171.html
>>
>> Sandra Perez
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verify bride's age and birth place.

[Joe Matias]

I believe you have the right info.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Sandra Perez 
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>
> Vriginio Cabral fo Francisco Joaquim Cabral e Francisca de Jesus m. Maria
> Harminda? fa Alfredo
> de Matos Sousa e Francisca de Jesus 11 Nov 1896--two pages. I see the
> bride's age as 17.  It also looks like she was born in NS do Rosario.
>
> Right bottom
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1890-1899/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1890-1899_item1/P170.html
>
> Top left
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1890-1899/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1890-1899_item1/P171.html
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> Sandra Perez
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Today Amazon is offering free Ebook called Us and Them by Bill Meara

[Diana R G]

It is only allowing it to be downloaded to a Kindle free at this time.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, George Medeiros  wrote:

> The book Us and Them is about a U.S. family living ten years in the
> Azores...George
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new trees (Gedcom viewer)

[Cheri Mello]

(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)

Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) has apparently rolled out their new Gedcom viewer.
I knew they were working on a new display for the Gedcoms. Nothing was said
about when it would take place. Well it's here now. I guess we all get to
play around with it.

I don't know if they put in marriage dates or take into account about that
"middle" name field that doesn't work for us (and other cultures as well).

Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Verify bride's age and birth place.

[Sandra Perez]

Vriginio Cabral fo Francisco Joaquim Cabral e Francisca de Jesus m. Maria
Harminda? fa Alfredo
de Matos Sousa e Francisca de Jesus 11 Nov 1896--two pages. I see the
bride's age as 17.  It also looks like she was born in NS do Rosario.

Right bottom
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1890-1899/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1890-1899_item1/P170.html

Top left
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1890-1899/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1890-1899_item1/P171.html

Sandra Perez

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Today Amazon is offering free Ebook called Us and Them by Bill Meara

[George Medeiros]

The book Us and Them is about a U.S. family living ten years in the 
Azores...George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Dear Marie,
Enjoy Texas and your granddaughter's Birthday! Have a safe trip and, as you
say, maybe next year!


Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Marie  wrote:

> Thank you Eric and Joao for providing the translations for these records.
> My information is now more certain.  Rosemarie, that's a good idea to use
> these for future reference.  There is always something to learn no matter
> how long I have been researching my ancestors.  I was hoping to attend the
> conference this year; but we will be celebrating my granddaughter's 6th
> birthday in San Antonio, Texas (we live in San Diego, CA). Maybe next year?
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 6:44:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>
>> I've been searching for the birth record for my third
>> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the
>> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) -
>> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal
>> line ends.
>>
>> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>>
>> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
>> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
>> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
>> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>>
>> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>>
>> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I
>> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a
>> few years before and after.
>>
>> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> - Eric
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Updating your DNA page at Family Tree DNA

[Sandra Perez]

Thank you, Cheri

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> (Cross posted to Azores, IslandRoutes)
>
> I guess I wasn't clear the first time. Let me try to clarify again.
>
> Method 1:
> You can manually add in all your surnames and location by hand. This works
> fine if you have only a few surnames to enter. See the attached screen shot
> called Method 1.
>
> Method 2:
> If you have A LOT of names to enter, you don't want to do it manually.
> It's too much. If you imported via Gedcom, it does NOT bring in the
> locations. However, your matches will see a list that I've attached
> (labeled "No Location"). But there's a work around if people would type in
> their island and location. If you log into your Fam. Finder matches and you
> type in: Azores in the SURNAME search, it will filter for people who typed
> in Azores (see the attached "With Location"). So if your ancestor
> immigrated before detailed information was collected or you're an adoptee,
> I can at least tell them they they are matching the central island group
> (in the example called "With Location").
>
> This only works if people type in their island and Azores though.
>
> Hope I was more clear this time. It's hard to explain through an email.
>
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> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> (Cross posted to Azores, IslandRoutes)
>>
>> For those of you who have tested with Family Tree DNA, please do me a
>> favor.
>>
>> Log into your kit(s), go to Manage Personal Information, click on the
>> Genealogy tab, then go to Surnames.
>>
>> Now see the attached screen shot. In the surname field, please put what
>> island your ancestors are from. In location, put Azores.
>>
>> I am telling your DNA matches to log into their kits and go to their
>> Family Finder matches, and where it says Ancestral Surnames to type Azores.
>>
>> This helps those with mid-1800s emigration from the Azores with very
>> little paper trail. Some don't have an island. If they type in Azores and
>> see 8 people from Sao Jorge island, for example, they will start to have an
>> idea where in the Azores they came from.
>> Thanks! Cheri Mello
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>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Marie]

Thank you Eric and Joao for providing the translations for these records.  
My information is now more certain.  Rosemarie, that's a good idea to use 
these for future reference.  There is always something to learn no matter 
how long I have been researching my ancestors.  I was hoping to attend the 
conference this year; but we will be celebrating my granddaughter's 6th 
birthday in San Antonio, Texas (we live in San Diego, CA). Maybe next year?

On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 6:44:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> I've been searching for the birth record for my third 
> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the 
> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - 
> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal 
> line ends.
>
> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>
> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>
> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>
> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I 
> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a 
> few years before and after.
>
> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>
> Thanks!
> - Eric
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

This is great for you Eric. You should print it out and use it as a guide
to other birth/baptism records and also for margin notes!


Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 11:05 PM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> Here is the translation provided by João:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815_item1/P197.html
>
>
>
> Antónia, filha de Maria Silveira e de pai não sabido, filha de Ana
> Silveira d’Agueda e de seu primeiro marido Thome Jose Silveira, natural e
> freguês desta Matriz de Nossa Senhora do Rozario da Villa Nova do topo,
> Ilha de São Jorge e moradora no Arrabalde do Norte, nasceo em os nove dias
> do mez d’Agosto do anno de mil oitocentos e doze e foi baptizada em os doze
> dias do dito mez e anno, nesta mesma Matriz, pelo reverendo Thomé Gregorio
> Teixeira, vigario della. Forão padrinhos o reverendo Antonio Caetano de
> Souza, thezoureiro da mesma Matriz, e Antonia Silveira, filha de Jozé
> Antonio Souto e de sua mulher dita Anna Silveira d’Agada. E para constar
> fiz este termo, que assigno com os mesmos reverendos ministros. Era supra.
>
> O cura João Ivo de Bettancourt
>
> O vigario Thome Gregorio Teixeira
>
> Antonio Caetano de Souza
>
>
>
> Translation:
>
> Antónia, daughter of Maria Silveira and unknown father, maternal
> granddaughter of Ana Silveira de Águeda and her first husband Tomé José
> Silveira, native of Topo, São Jorge Island, where she lived in Arrebalde do
> Norte, was born on 9 August 1812 and was baptized on the 12th, in Topo,
> São Jorge Island. Godparents were the priest treasurer António Caetano de
> Sousa and Antónia Silveira, daughter of José António Souto and his wife Ana
> Silveira de Águeda, above mentioned. Witnesses were the godfather and the
> priest João Ivo de Bettencourt.
>
> Note: on the margin it is written that she was recognized by the father
> and this declaration in the book of baptisms 12, fl. 31v.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828_item1/P34.html
>
>
>
> Em os sete dias do mez d’Abril do anno de mil oitocentos e dezasete, na
> prezença de mim, Antonio Ignacio da Silveira, cura da Matriz de Nossa do
> Rozario desta Villa Nova do topo, Ilha de São Jorge, compareceo Manoel José
> da Cunha, cazado com Maria de São Joze, e por elle foi dito que estando
> espozado com a dita sua mulher, delle dera esta à luz em os nove dias do
> mez d’Agosto do anno de mil oitocentos e doze, hua filha, por nome Antonia.
> E porque no termo do baptismo desta se não declarou quem era seo pay, agora
> cumprindo os deveres de sua consciência, faz a prezente declaração, em que
> reconhece por sua filha a dita Antonia e por verdade do que assima, perante
> mim e testemunhas Antonio Borges d’Azevedo e Estevão Pereira Vieira, todos
> moradores nesta Villa. Era ut supra.
>
> Manoel Joze da Cunha
>
> Antonio Borges de Azevedo
>
> Estevam Pereira Vieira
>
> O cura Antonio Ignacio da Silveira
>
>
>
> Translation:
>
> On 7 April 1817, in Topo, São Jorge Island, appeared before the priest,
> Manuel José da cunha, married to Maria de São Jorge and he declared that
> while he was engaged to his wife, she gave birth to a daughter, by the name
> of Antónia, born on August 9, 1812, in Topo, São Jorge Island, who was
> registered as daughter of unknown father, and actually is his daughter, to
> relieve his conscience. Witnesses were António Borges de Azevedo and
> Estevão Pereira Vieira, all living in Topo, São Jorge Island.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 8:48:09 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>
>> I'll get in touch with João Ventura - he helped me earlier this year with
>> some translations ... I'll post the translations once I get them. Thanks
>> everyone for your help!!
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:55:27 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it's legitimizing her, but we'll wait for a better translation.
>>>
>>> The margin note of the "legitimization" is referring to the baptism that
>>> took place before where the father was named as "pai incognito."
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Marie, this is great news!! I wish I could read the doc word-for-word
 but it will need to be someone that reads the language well.

 Rosemarie

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Here is the translation provided by João:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815_item1/P197.html

 

Antónia, filha de Maria Silveira e de pai não sabido, filha de Ana Silveira 
d’Agueda e de seu primeiro marido Thome Jose Silveira, natural e freguês 
desta Matriz de Nossa Senhora do Rozario da Villa Nova do topo, Ilha de São 
Jorge e moradora no Arrabalde do Norte, nasceo em os nove dias do mez 
d’Agosto do anno de mil oitocentos e doze e foi baptizada em os doze dias 
do dito mez e anno, nesta mesma Matriz, pelo reverendo Thomé Gregorio 
Teixeira, vigario della. Forão padrinhos o reverendo Antonio Caetano de 
Souza, thezoureiro da mesma Matriz, e Antonia Silveira, filha de Jozé 
Antonio Souto e de sua mulher dita Anna Silveira d’Agada. E para constar 
fiz este termo, que assigno com os mesmos reverendos ministros. Era supra.

O cura João Ivo de Bettancourt

O vigario Thome Gregorio Teixeira

Antonio Caetano de Souza

 

Translation:

Antónia, daughter of Maria Silveira and unknown father, maternal 
granddaughter of Ana Silveira de Águeda and her first husband Tomé José 
Silveira, native of Topo, São Jorge Island, where she lived in Arrebalde do 
Norte, was born on 9 August 1812 and was baptized on the 12th, in Topo, São 
Jorge Island. Godparents were the priest treasurer António Caetano de Sousa 
and Antónia Silveira, daughter of José António Souto and his wife Ana 
Silveira de Águeda, above mentioned. Witnesses were the godfather and the 
priest João Ivo de Bettencourt.

Note: on the margin it is written that she was recognized by the father and 
this declaration in the book of baptisms 12, fl. 31v.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828_item1/P34.html

 

Em os sete dias do mez d’Abril do anno de mil oitocentos e dezasete, na 
prezença de mim, Antonio Ignacio da Silveira, cura da Matriz de Nossa do 
Rozario desta Villa Nova do topo, Ilha de São Jorge, compareceo Manoel José 
da Cunha, cazado com Maria de São Joze, e por elle foi dito que estando 
espozado com a dita sua mulher, delle dera esta à luz em os nove dias do 
mez d’Agosto do anno de mil oitocentos e doze, hua filha, por nome Antonia. 
E porque no termo do baptismo desta se não declarou quem era seo pay, agora 
cumprindo os deveres de sua consciência, faz a prezente declaração, em que 
reconhece por sua filha a dita Antonia e por verdade do que assima, perante 
mim e testemunhas Antonio Borges d’Azevedo e Estevão Pereira Vieira, todos 
moradores nesta Villa. Era ut supra.

Manoel Joze da Cunha

Antonio Borges de Azevedo 

Estevam Pereira Vieira

O cura Antonio Ignacio da Silveira

 

Translation:

On 7 April 1817, in Topo, São Jorge Island, appeared before the priest, 
Manuel José da cunha, married to Maria de São Jorge and he declared that 
while he was engaged to his wife, she gave birth to a daughter, by the name 
of Antónia, born on August 9, 1812, in Topo, São Jorge Island, who was 
registered as daughter of unknown father, and actually is his daughter, to 
relieve his conscience. Witnesses were António Borges de Azevedo and 
Estevão Pereira Vieira, all living in Topo, São Jorge Island.

 

 


On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 8:48:09 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> I'll get in touch with João Ventura - he helped me earlier this year with 
> some translations ... I'll post the translations once I get them. Thanks 
> everyone for your help!!
>
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:55:27 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> I think it's legitimizing her, but we'll wait for a better translation.
>>
>> The margin note of the "legitimization" is referring to the baptism that 
>> took place before where the father was named as "pai incognito."
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Marie, this is great news!! I wish I could read the doc word-for-word 
>>> but it will need to be someone that reads the language well. 
>>>
>>> Rosemarie 
>>>
>>>

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