Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptismal record of Francisco da Rosa - Candeleria, Pico

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Bob,

PS. I have lots of ancestors from Candelaria where my grandmother was born. Let 
me know if I can ever help. 

Gayle



> On Aug 28, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Gayle Machado  wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Francisco was born on 21 Oct. 1855 and baptized on the 28th of the same 
> month. The maternal grandparents were Manuel Rodrigues Goncalves and Maria 
> Silveira. Note: I double checked CITCEM but it doesn't show any parents for 
> Ana. 
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Gayle
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:52 PM, "rml...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>> 
>> Need help with Francisco's record, parents should be Antonio da Rosa and Ana 
>> Conceicao. Paternal grandparents should be Jose Rosa Silveira and Ana Maria.
>> Need date, maternal grandparents and other pertinent info.
>> 
>> Francisco bottom left. http://goo.gl/1nUC48
>> 
>> Thanks Bob
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptismal record of Francisco da Rosa - Candeleria, Pico

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Bob,

Francisco was born on 21 Oct. 1855 and baptized on the 28th of the same month. 
The maternal grandparents were Manuel Rodrigues Goncalves and Maria Silveira. 
Note: I double checked CITCEM but it doesn't show any parents for Ana. 

Hope that helps,

Gayle




> On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:52 PM, "rml...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> 
> Need help with Francisco's record, parents should be Antonio da Rosa and Ana 
> Conceicao. Paternal grandparents should be Jose Rosa Silveira and Ana Maria.
> Need date, maternal grandparents and other pertinent info.
> 
> Francisco bottom left. http://goo.gl/1nUC48
> 
> Thanks Bob
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptismal record of Francisco da Rosa - Candeleria, Pico

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Maternal Manoel Rodrigues Goncalves and Maria da Silveira  born 21 Oct
1855, I think.

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On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 6:52 PM, rml...@gmail.com  wrote:

> Need help with Francisco's record, parents should be Antonio da Rosa and
> Ana Conceicao. Paternal grandparents should be Jose Rosa Silveira and Ana
> Maria.
> Need date, maternal grandparents and other pertinent info.
>
> Francisco bottom left. http://goo.gl/1nUC48
>
> Thanks Bob
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptismal record of Francisco da Rosa - Candeleria, Pico

[rml...@gmail.com]

Need help with Francisco's record, parents should be Antonio da Rosa and 
Ana Conceicao. Paternal grandparents should be Jose Rosa Silveira and Ana 
Maria.
Need date, maternal grandparents and other pertinent info.

Francisco bottom left. http://goo.gl/1nUC48

Thanks Bob

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with name abbreviation

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Joseph, the name on the top left is Betancur/Bettencourt in modern
spelling.

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On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
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> I found a baptismal record of Catherina's grandson Antonio. His mother
> Victoria Novais has an additional last name starting with a B. I think it's
> (de Belancor).  *It could be the same last name of her mother which is
> abbreviated on the record mentioned above*.  I also noticed that the top
> record on the right page has parents with this same last name.
> Top left page.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-
> SC-LUZ-B-1728-1742/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1728-1742_item1/P74.html
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
> wrote:
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>> I don't have this name abbreviation on my list.
>>
>> Top record (continued from previous pg.) on right side, 4th line- last
>> word Catherina Novais *B.lz ??*
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-
>> LUZ-C-1702-1741/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1702-1741_item1/P91.html
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Obituary help

[Joseph Mendonca]

Thank you Cheri.  Sometimes I use it with great results. And other times
not so much or it still does not convince me without some additional
confirmation since words may have multiple meanings or archaic meanings.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> You could try the online translators: https://translate.google.com/
>
> However, you MUST have the modern spelling of the word.
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with name abbreviation

[Joseph Mendonca]

I found a baptismal record of Catherina's grandson Antonio. His mother
Victoria Novais has an additional last name starting with a B. I think it's
(de Belancor).  *It could be the same last name of her mother which is
abbreviated on the record mentioned above*.  I also noticed that the top
record on the right page has parents with this same last name.
Top left page.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1728-1742/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1728-1742_item1/P74.html

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> I don't have this name abbreviation on my list.
>
> Top record (continued from previous pg.) on right side, 4th line- last
> word Catherina Novais *B.lz ??*
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-
> SC-LUZ-C-1702-1741/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1702-1741_item1/P91.html
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Obituary help

[Cheri Mello]

You could try the online translators: https://translate.google.com/

However, you MUST have the modern spelling of the word.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Obituary help

[Joseph Mendonca]

Thank you Bill.  I need to get a Portuguese dictionary.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 3:56 PM,  wrote:

> She didn't have the sacraments because she died suddenly.  repentina =
> sudden or abrupt
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 28, 2016 at 12:25:51 PM UTC-7, jemendonca642 wrote:
>
>> 2nd obit on left page, 5th line.
>> It says that Victoria Novais did not receive the divine sacraments of
>> death because she died *[can't understand the word].*
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-
>> LUZ-O-1696-1769/GRA-SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769_item1/P77.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Obituary help

[bsei2816]

She didn't have the sacraments because she died suddenly.  repentina = 
sudden or abrupt

Bill Seidler



On Sunday, August 28, 2016 at 12:25:51 PM UTC-7, jemendonca642 wrote:

> 2nd obit on left page, 5th line.
> It says that Victoria Novais did not receive the divine sacraments of 
> death because she died *[can't understand the word].*
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769/GRA-SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769_item1/P77.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Obituary help

[Joseph Mendonca]

2nd obit on left page, 5th line.
It says that Victoria Novais did not receive the divine sacraments of death
because she died *[can't understand the word].*

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769/GRA-SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769_item1/P77.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Adoptions

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

It is very important to distinguish between adopted and foster children. 
Adoption ("perfilhacoes") in the Azores is much rarer than it is in the US. 
However, legal adoptions in the Azores, is a Court process with detailed legal 
documents. However, information on biological parents, just like in the US, is 
likely to be sealed. The vast majority of foundlings, if they survived at all, 
were never adopted. These children were placed "dados a criar" in the care 
of.as foster children.  Many died, some were moved from pillar to post, and 
the lucky ones stayed with the family with which they were initially placed.
John
 

On Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:44 PM, JR  wrote:
 

 Yes. Ponta Delgada has whole books dedicated to foundlings in Sao Pedro and 
Sao Sebastiao. Not sure about Sao Pedro, they may have been dovetailed into Sao 
Sao Sebastiao. You will not get much out of the books, save where they were 
found and perhaps which family they were given to.
JR

On Sunday, August 28, 2016 at 1:14:20 PM UTC-4, Theresa Entin wrote:
We got a really good DNA hit on my uncle who is searching for his grandparents 
who were both foundlings.  The hit was 202cMs X Match.  This is the best hit so 
far.  The bad news is that his hit was ADOPTED!  Her birthdate is 1931 and we 
have her adopted parents names.  She was born in Ponta Del Gado.  Do these 
adoption records exist?  Her adoptive father was born in Brazil and the 
adoptive  mother from Lisbon.  They lived in the Azores.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Adoptions

[JR]

Yes. Ponta Delgada has whole books dedicated to foundlings in Sao Pedro and 
Sao Sebastiao. Not sure about Sao Pedro, they may have been dovetailed into 
Sao Sao Sebastiao. You will not get much out of the books, save where they 
were found and perhaps which family they were given to.

JR

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>
> We got a really good DNA hit on my uncle who is searching for his 
> grandparents who were both foundlings.  The hit was 202cMs X Match.  This 
> is the best hit so far.  The bad news is that his hit was ADOPTED!  Her 
> birthdate is 1931 and we have her adopted parents names.  She was born in 
> Ponta Del Gado.  Do these adoption records exist?  Her adoptive father was 
> born in Brazil and the adoptive  mother from Lisbon.  They lived in the 
> Azores.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Adoptions

[Theresa Entin]

We got a really good DNA hit on my uncle who is searching for his grandparents 
who were both foundlings.  The hit was 202cMs X Match.  This is the best hit so 
far.  The bad news is that his hit was ADOPTED!  Her birthdate is 1931 and we 
have her adopted parents names.  She was born in Ponta Del Gado.  Do these 
adoption records exist?  Her adoptive father was born in Brazil and the 
adoptive  mother from Lisbon.  They lived in the Azores.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for Joao Machado!

[Joseph Mendonca]

I've been following this and it's very interesting. Great job Cheri. His
passport says that he is natural from Sao Mateus (island of Graciosa,
Azores) but was a residente of Luz, Graciosa.  Amazing find.  It's
interesting to see others progressing with new discoveries of their family
history.

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 11:39 PM, linda  wrote:

>
>
> Hooray! Cheri cracked the case!
>
> :D
>
>
>
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>>
>> Record 401, upper left:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPO
>> RTES-TER-1909-1911/PASSAPORTES-TER-1909-1911_item1/P247.html
>>
>> They registered in Angra but sailed out of Sao Miguel
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with names.

[Joseph Mendonca]

Thank you Linda. I especially wasn't sure about the abbreviations.

Joe

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 11:02 PM, linda  wrote:

>
> This is what it looks like to me, but I'm not positive about it all:
>
> Antonio Paes viuvo de Victoria Novais filho de Joao dos Reis Balieiro e de
> sua mulher Izabel G.lz [Goncalves] com Luzia de Gloria de S.to An.to [Santo
> Antonio] f.a de Joao de Avis defunto e de sua mulher Maria Luis
>
> Baliero is a surname, and if you enter it in the search box, you'll get
> some hits about it here in the group.
>
> Good luck!
>
> :)
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 5:29:35 PM UTC-7, jemendonca642 wrote:
>>
>> Left page, 2nd record.  Some of these names are unfamiliar to me.
>> Starting on the 11th line I think it is the following: ?- means I'm not
>> sure.
>>
>> Antonio Paes viuvo de Victoria Novais? filho de Joao do Reis Balieiro? e
>> sua mulher Izabel G R? com Luzia da Gloria def to? Anto? fa. de Joao de
>> Alves? de funto e sua mulher Maria Paes?.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-
>> LUZ-C-1702-1741/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1702-1741_item1/P95.html
>>
>> Thank you again.
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS - Vila Franca do Campo

[Terri]

Hi Eliseu, I've been helping to look for a few names for my cousins maternal 
ancestors and she has a Joao de Medeiros (born 1902) married to a Maria do 
Patrocina and another Joao de Medeiros (born 1871) married to a Maria Jose de 
Andrade. Their records show that they lived in Ribeira Seca but baptisms and 
marriages were in Sao Miguel church in Vila Franca do Campo

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: `1886 Rabo de Peixe baptism of Jose Taveres de Teves

[bsei2816]

Thanks JR; and you're right--I see the "nh" now.  I have an older 
Portuguese/English dictionary (published in Porto in 1952) that once 
belonged to my wife's father.  I gives the translation as a day laborer.  
Putting that together with the definitions you provided and it sounds like 
someone that exchanges a variety of services in order to make profits.  I 
assume you are also right about it being a nickname since occupations don't 
seem to be given for any other grandparents on the nearby pages.

Bill Seidler



On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 10:37:12 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:

> It's ganhadeiro. It looks like a nickname to me, meaning one who is a 
> "winner', or who is winning. It may have a specific meaning in its 
> historical time that I am not aware of. 
>
> *ga·nha·dei·ro* 
> (*ganhar + -deiro*)
> *adjectivo e substantivo masculino*
>
> 1. Que ou quem aufere ganhos, lucros.
>
> 2. Que ou quem é agenciador. = AGENCIOSO
>
> 3. Que ou quem faz qualquer tipo de serviço. = GANHÃO
>
> 4. Que ou quem é interesseiro.
> Parecidas
>
> "ganhadeiro", in Dicionário Priberam da Língua Portuguesa [em linha], 
> 2008-2013, https://www.priberam.pt/dlpo/ganhadeiro [consultado em 
> 28-08-2016].
>
> On Sunday, August 28, 2016 at 12:54:10 AM UTC-4, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I have most of this, but need help with one word (a name or occupation.).
>>
>> It's on the ninth line of the right page: Luis da Costa ??? e 
>> de...
>>
>> It looks like Gandadeiro but its nothing I've seen before.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1885-1889_item1/P93.html
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Bill Seidler
>>
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