Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[LouieLouieOhOh]

Linda,

Is it possible for the link below to be Sabinas Mom and Dad?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849_item1/P4.html

It is the only Pascoal I have been able to find before Sabinas baptism 
(1831) in Ribeira Seca.

Louie

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 10:18:26 AM UTC-8, linda wrote:
>
>
> Hi Louie,
>
> Here's my transcription and translation of the record you posted:  
>
>
> Sabina filha de Pascoal Machado Men-
> donca, e de sua mulher Margarida Rosa am-
> bos naturaes da Paroquial Igreja de S. Tiago
> do lugar da R.a Secca termo da V.a da Calhe
> ta da Ilha de S. Jorge, freguezes desta Pa
> roquial Igreja do gloriozo S. Lazaro do So
> bredito termo nasceo em o dia vinte e nove do
> mes de Janeiro do anno de 1821 e foi baptizada
> em os trinta do mesmo mez e anno forao Padri-
> nhos Antonio Severino, e Sabina d'Azevedo fi
> lhos d'Antonio Pedroso de Borba e de sua mulher
> Anna d'Az.o. Testemunhos Agostinho Silvr.a
> [...torn..] d'Az.o, e Manoel Jose de Sz.a todos naturaes e
> [...torn..] freguezes da Supra dita Parochial de S. Lazaro
> [...torn..]ue Lancei este termo que assigno comas ditos
> [..torn..]munhos  [hash marks] Era ut Supra O Vigario Ma-
> [..torn..].a d'Av.o[a?] Agostinho Silvr.a Az.o
> Manoel [torn] de Sz.a
>
> Sabina daughter of Pascoal Machado Men-
> donca and of his wife Margarida Rosa both
> natives of the Parochial church of Saint Iago 
> of the place of Ribeira Seca district of Villa da Calheta
> of the Island of Sao Jorge, [the parents are] parishioners of this
> Parochial Church of Sao Lazaro of the
> above said district [the baby, Sabina] was born on the 29th day of the
> month of January of the year of 1821 and was baptised
> on the 30th of the same month and year, the Godparents were
> Antonio Severino and Sabina d'Azevedo 
> children/offspring of Antonio Pedroso de Borba and his wife
> Anna d'Azevedo. Witnesses [were] Agostinho Silveira
> [] d'Azevedo, and Manoel Jose de Souza all natives and
> [] parishioners of the above said Parish of Sao Lazaro
> [] I made this record which I signed along with the said
> witnesses.  Era ut Supra The Vicar ...[Signatures follow] 
>
>
> I have trouble differentiating his "s" vs. "z" and "a" vs. "o"-- there are 
> likely other errors--but I hope it's a helpful start,
>
> Linda
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 12:42:57 AM UTC-8, LouieLouieOhOh wrote:
>>
>>
>> To be honest ... what started me on this particular journey ... was the 
>> baptism record for Sabina (bottom left of this record. She "appears" to be 
>> my 2X Great grandmother.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1830-1852/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1830-1852_item1/P6.html
>>
>> I think it lists her father as Pascoal Machado Mendonca and mother is 
>> Margarida Rosa ... but I'm confused about the rest of the record from that 
>> point to the end ... my Portuguese is not good so ... I am looking for help.
>>
>> What does the record say beyond that point?
>>
>> Louie 
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Can you tell me what this means

[LouieLouieOhOh]

Well thank all of you very much!!!
That's a good feeling!

Louie

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Antonio translation #64

[helen kerner]

Ressurreição translates toresurrection so perhaps Filomena was bornor baptized 
on Easter.



  From: Elizabeth Migliori 
 To: "azores@googlegroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 8:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Antonio translation #64
   
Thanks for these. I've not ever researched in Santa Maria and they are a little 
bit different and the names are foreign to me so getting used to it all.
funny how each place is just a bit different and seems each decade is different 
too.

Thanks again

Liz

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:

filho legitimo de Jose de Moura Cabral, carpinteiro, e Filomena da Ressurreição 
Coelho, d'ocupação doméstica
Neto paterno de José Ignacio de Moura e Rita Julia Cabral, e materno de Manoel 
Pedro Coelho e Anna Baptista Coelho.
Foram padrinhos Januário Soares de Figueiredo, photographo ('fotografo'), e sua 
mulher Angelina Lopes de Figueiredo, d'ocupação doméstica.
born: Oct 12 1895, baptized: Dec 8 1895
The parish and village are right in the link:http://culturacores.azores.gov 
.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP- ASSUNCAO-B-1895-1899/SMA-VP- 
ASSUNCAO-B-1895-1899_item1/P34 .html

SMA: Santa MariaVP: Vila do PortoASSUNCAO: Nossa Senhora da Assunção
There is no Vila do Pedro nor Angra in Santa Maria, but there's Vila do Porto 
and São Pedro.
2016-12-17 22:05 GMT+00:00 Hughes Roselyn :

Hi Liz

He was baptised on the 8 of December of 1895

Line 8 of the record indicates that he was born in the village around 10 hours 
of
Line 9 the morning on the 12 day of the month of October of 
Line 10 the current year (1895) 
It does not say if he is the first or second of that name

Mother's name is Filomena da Ressurreicao Coelho.  The first part of her middle 
name is on line 11:  Res and the remainder is at the beginning of the next line 
12:  surreicao.

The notes on the left are about his marriage and his death.  I can't make out 
the whole note but note one:  he was married to Virginia de Conceicao (?) on 
the 2 of January 1921.
Note 2:  He died in the village of  Villa of Porto on the 28 day August Obit No 
44 of the current year 1945

Hope this helps some.  Sorry,  I couldn't make out the rest of the names, but  
I am sure others can and will do so. 

Roselyn
 


On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  wrote:

http://culturacores.azores.gov .pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP- 
ASSUNCAO-B-1895-1899/SMA-VP-AS SUNCAO-B-1895-1899_item1/P34. html

Does it say he is the first or second of that name?  Antonio on right  #64

Liz



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From: Elizabeth Migliori 
Date: Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM
Subject: Antonio translation #64
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" 


http://culturacores.azores.gov .pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP- 
ASSUNCAO-B-1895-1899/SMA-VP-AS SUNCAO-B-1895-1899_item1/P34.h tml

Right hand side.  Can't make out all of father's and mother's names.
father Jose ?? Cabral
mother Filomena da Coelho
neto paterno  Jose Ignacio ? and Rita Julia Cabral
materno Coelho and Anna ?Coelho

December 8, 1985  was birth or Baptism  I don't see any other date
What's the name of the Parish and village?  Villa do Pedro?   Angra?

What do the notes on the left column refer to 

Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with a record from Matriz de Sao Miguel, Vila Franco do Campo

['Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy]

Will do. Yes, I have found in other records that sometimes missing persons can 
be found in nearby parishes.

Thanks everyone for your help.

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 2:40 PM, 'Altino' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I was hoping i could get some help in terms deciphering the names of the 
> parents of a couple from a marriage record in Vila Franco do Campo.
> 
> The record is on the top left page, here: 
> 
> p://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P43.html
> 
> From what i can make out, the couple getting married is Manuel Rodrigues 
> (Roiz) and Ursula de Mello. 
> 
> HIs parents: Sebastiao (?) Roiz (deceased) and Catherina (not sure if that is 
> a surname after her first name or if it reads as defunto)
> Her Parents: Manuel (Ferreira ?) and Manria de Mello
> 
> (Does anyone know what the word after his surname is ?)
> 
> Thanks for your help.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FARIA from Contra Costa, CA

[Christiana Faria Stroud]

My Great Grandfather is Anthony Faria Emma and Manuals son. My mom Lisa Faria 
said that Emma did alot on her own because Manual walked out or left them. I 
never heard of him dying but the family grew up very poor. 

My mom said that Emma was very kind and had a sign she would hang outside that 
said warm food. She cooked a ton and fed the community. I just spent the last 
hour trying to figure out who was Doris and Dolores I couldn't find any record 
for Dolores just Doris. 

Have you tried searching for Antone P. Faria? It's spelt 
Antonio/Antone/Anthony. Born around 1860 he is Manuals older brother I believe. 
Stay in contact with me please! 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1836 Baptism in Ribeira Quente on Sao Miguel island (way too much vinho)

[Cheri Mello]

Oh wow, going over my work from late last night. No more research for me
after 10 pm! I couldn't figure out why no babies were recorded in the death
books. They are all there, with the word "anjo" after their name! Midnight
is wy too late to be thinking!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Huh? The document says she was baptized at home by Antonia married to
> Francisco.
>
> Oh wait, I typed something different last night. Shouldn't be doing
> research after 10 pm! I was doing that at midnight because I couldn't
> sleep. Next time I'll just watch something boring on TV.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cheri, good to know it's straightened out.
>>
>> In your earlier email you were asking if JR had anything on Antonia
>> Francisca married to Francisco Furtado and you were wondering why was
>> Catarina having her child in this Antonia's house? Well she was not at
>> Antonia's house.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, that's what I have.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Cheri, your interpretation is not quite as documented.  it says:

 ..nasceu aos oito dias do mez de Fevereiro de mil oito sento e
 trint e seis, e foi batizado em casa *por* Antonia de Jesus, casada,
 com Francisco Furtado em extrema necessidade..

 ...born on the 8th day of the month of February of 1836, and baptised
 at home *by* Antonia de Jesus, married to Francisco Furtado, due to
 extreme necessity.



 On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:16 AM, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> Baptism of Manuel on the left:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
> RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837_i
> tem1/P176.html
>
> 8th line from the signature on the bottom:
> nasceu aos ioto??? or is that supposed to be dezeoito? Or just aos
> oito?
>
> Next line: He was baptized in the house of Antonia de Jesus, married
> with Francisco Furtado, of extreme necessity, in the hour of  I lose
> the rest of the record. It doesn't follow the format and no godparents are
> named.
>
> Thanks in advance! Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with a record from Matriz de Sao Miguel, Vila Franco do Campo

[JR]

I'm sure you meant *Nov* 15- 1717. Try Ponta Delgada for loose ends. I have 
found some people from Faja de Biaxo in Sao Sebastiao.

JR

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 7:16:08 PM UTC-5, Altino wrote:
>
> John, I have Manuel and Ursula's son Antonio marrying Maria de Medeiros 
> (daughter ofAntonio de Medeiros and Barbara da Costa in Faja de Baixo on 
> October 15th, 1717. Unfortunately, at this point I was stuck on both of 
> these lines until I came across the Manuel & Ursula marriage in Villa 
> Franca. 
>
> Cheri, that was a typo. Too much vinho or fat fingers. 
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 18, 2016, at 2:40 PM, 'Altino' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I was hoping i could get some help in terms deciphering the names of the 
> parents of a couple from a marriage record in Vila Franco do Campo.
>
> The record is on the top left page, here: 
>
>
> p://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P43.html
>
> From what i can make out, the couple getting married is Manuel Rodrigues 
> (Roiz) and Ursula de Mello. 
>
> HIs parents: Sebastiao (?) Roiz (deceased) and Catherina (not sure if that 
> is a surname after her first name or if it reads as defunto)
> Her Parents: Manuel (Ferreira ?) and Manria de Mello
>
> (Does anyone know what the word after his surname is ?)
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1836 Baptism in Ribeira Quente on Sao Miguel island (way too much vinho)

[Cheri Mello]

Huh? The document says she was baptized at home by Antonia married to
Francisco.

Oh wait, I typed something different last night. Shouldn't be doing
research after 10 pm! I was doing that at midnight because I couldn't
sleep. Next time I'll just watch something boring on TV.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Cheri, good to know it's straightened out.
>
> In your earlier email you were asking if JR had anything on Antonia
> Francisca married to Francisco Furtado and you were wondering why was
> Catarina having her child in this Antonia's house? Well she was not at
> Antonia's house.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that's what I have.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri, your interpretation is not quite as documented.  it says:
>>>
>>> ..nasceu aos oito dias do mez de Fevereiro de mil oito sento e trint
>>> e seis, e foi batizado em casa *por* Antonia de Jesus, casada, com
>>> Francisco Furtado em extrema necessidade..
>>>
>>> ...born on the 8th day of the month of February of 1836, and baptised at
>>> home *by* Antonia de Jesus, married to Francisco Furtado, due to
>>> extreme necessity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:16 AM, Cheri Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Baptism of Manuel on the left:
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
 RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837_i
 tem1/P176.html

 8th line from the signature on the bottom:
 nasceu aos ioto??? or is that supposed to be dezeoito? Or just aos oito?

 Next line: He was baptized in the house of Antonia de Jesus, married
 with Francisco Furtado, of extreme necessity, in the hour of  I lose
 the rest of the record. It doesn't follow the format and no godparents are
 named.

 Thanks in advance! Cheri
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with a record from Matriz de Sao Miguel, Vila Franco do Campo

['Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy]

John, I have Manuel and Ursula's son Antonio marrying Maria de Medeiros 
(daughter ofAntonio de Medeiros and Barbara da Costa in Faja de Baixo on 
October 15th, 1717. Unfortunately, at this point I was stuck on both of these 
lines until I came across the Manuel & Ursula marriage in Villa Franca. 

Cheri, that was a typo. Too much vinho or fat fingers. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 2:40 PM, 'Altino' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I was hoping i could get some help in terms deciphering the names of the 
> parents of a couple from a marriage record in Vila Franco do Campo.
> 
> The record is on the top left page, here: 
> 
> p://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P43.html
> 
> From what i can make out, the couple getting married is Manuel Rodrigues 
> (Roiz) and Ursula de Mello. 
> 
> HIs parents: Sebastiao (?) Roiz (deceased) and Catherina (not sure if that is 
> a surname after her first name or if it reads as defunto)
> Her Parents: Manuel (Ferreira ?) and Manria de Mello
> 
> (Does anyone know what the word after his surname is ?)
> 
> Thanks for your help.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1836 Baptism in Ribeira Quente on Sao Miguel island (way too much vinho)

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri, good to know it's straightened out.

In your earlier email you were asking if JR had anything on Antonia
Francisca married to Francisco Furtado and you were wondering why was
Catarina having her child in this Antonia's house? Well she was not at
Antonia's house.


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Yeah, that's what I have.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cheri, your interpretation is not quite as documented.  it says:
>>
>> ..nasceu aos oito dias do mez de Fevereiro de mil oito sento e trint
>> e seis, e foi batizado em casa *por* Antonia de Jesus, casada, com
>> Francisco Furtado em extrema necessidade..
>>
>> ...born on the 8th day of the month of February of 1836, and baptised at
>> home *by* Antonia de Jesus, married to Francisco Furtado, due to extreme
>> necessity.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:16 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Baptism of Manuel on the left:
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>>> RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837_i
>>> tem1/P176.html
>>>
>>> 8th line from the signature on the bottom:
>>> nasceu aos ioto??? or is that supposed to be dezeoito? Or just aos oito?
>>>
>>> Next line: He was baptized in the house of Antonia de Jesus, married
>>> with Francisco Furtado, of extreme necessity, in the hour of  I lose
>>> the rest of the record. It doesn't follow the format and no godparents are
>>> named.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance! Cheri
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1836 Baptism in Ribeira Quente on Sao Miguel island (way too much vinho)

[Cheri Mello]

Yeah, that's what I have.

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Cheri, your interpretation is not quite as documented.  it says:
>
> ..nasceu aos oito dias do mez de Fevereiro de mil oito sento e trint e
> seis, e foi batizado em casa *por* Antonia de Jesus, casada, com
> Francisco Furtado em extrema necessidade..
>
> ...born on the 8th day of the month of February of 1836, and baptised at
> home *by* Antonia de Jesus, married to Francisco Furtado, due to extreme
> necessity.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:16 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Baptism of Manuel on the left:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>> RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837_
>> item1/P176.html
>>
>> 8th line from the signature on the bottom:
>> nasceu aos ioto??? or is that supposed to be dezeoito? Or just aos oito?
>>
>> Next line: He was baptized in the house of Antonia de Jesus, married with
>> Francisco Furtado, of extreme necessity, in the hour of  I lose the
>> rest of the record. It doesn't follow the format and no godparents are
>> named.
>>
>> Thanks in advance! Cheri
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with a record from Matriz de Sao Miguel, Vila Franco do Campo

[JR]

Manuel Rodrigues was born- 06 Jan 1654; Ursula de Melo or Gonsalves was 
born- 02 Mar 1664. Parents marriages are lost in missing pages of Vila 
Franca, bet 1653-1658.

Who are your ancestors before this marriage?

JR

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 3:55:44 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>
> Altino,
>
> Manuel Roiz (Rodrigues) son of Sebastiao Rodrigues, deceased, and of his 
> wife Catarina de Morais with,
> Ursula de Melo daughter of Manuel Fernandes boquinha (nick), decased and 
> of his wife Maria de Melo..  
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> Groom's mom might be Catharina de Morais. I don't think it says ja 
>> defuncta.
>> Bride's dad: Manuel Fernandez? Ferreira? Ff- something. Parishioner 
>> of Furnas, I think. Mom is Maria de Mello. Unless you've had too much vinho 
>> (it's past 5 pm in the Azores). Then she can be Manria :) Probably you 
>> typing with Fancy Fingers. LOL
>>
>> Wait, I just checked my genealogy program. I have a Sebastiao Rodrigues 
>> and Catarina de Morais (possible Moniz). They had a daughter, Agostinha. 
>> Let me know if you are collecting kids.
>>
>> I don't have a Maria de Mello married to a Manuel F. She could be under a 
>> different name in my genealogy program.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:40 AM, 'Altino' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I was hoping i could get some help in terms deciphering the names of the 
>>> parents of a couple from a marriage record in Vila Franco do Campo.
>>>
>>> The record is on the top left page, here: 
>>>
>>>
>>> p://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P43.html
>>>
>>> From what i can make out, the couple getting married is Manuel Rodrigues 
>>> (Roiz) and Ursula de Mello. 
>>>
>>> HIs parents: Sebastiao (?) Roiz (deceased) and Catherina (not sure if 
>>> that is a surname after her first name or if it reads as defunto)
>>> Her Parents: Manuel (Ferreira ?) and Manria de Mello
>>>
>>> (Does anyone know what the word after his surname is ?)
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1836 Baptism in Ribeira Quente on Sao Miguel island (way too much vinho)

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri, your interpretation is not quite as documented.  it says:

..nasceu aos oito dias do mez de Fevereiro de mil oito sento e trint e
seis, e foi batizado em casa *por* Antonia de Jesus, casada, com Francisco
Furtado em extrema necessidade..

...born on the 8th day of the month of February of 1836, and baptised at
home *by* Antonia de Jesus, married to Francisco Furtado, due to extreme
necessity.



On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:16 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Baptism of Manuel on the left:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-
> 1837_item1/P176.html
>
> 8th line from the signature on the bottom:
> nasceu aos ioto??? or is that supposed to be dezeoito? Or just aos oito?
>
> Next line: He was baptized in the house of Antonia de Jesus, married with
> Francisco Furtado, of extreme necessity, in the hour of  I lose the
> rest of the record. It doesn't follow the format and no godparents are
> named.
>
> Thanks in advance! Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1836 Baptism in Ribeira Quente on Sao Miguel island (way too much vinho)

['Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy]

I get 8th of February 1836

Na hora de seu nascimento. In the hour of his birth

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:16 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Baptism of Manuel on the left:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837_item1/P176.html
> 
> 8th line from the signature on the bottom:
> nasceu aos ioto??? or is that supposed to be dezeoito? Or just aos oito?
> 
> Next line: He was baptized in the house of Antonia de Jesus, married with 
> Francisco Furtado, of extreme necessity, in the hour of  I lose the rest 
> of the record. It doesn't follow the format and no godparents are named.
> 
> Thanks in advance! Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1836 Baptism in Ribeira Quente on Sao Miguel island (way too much vinho)

[JR]

I think this may be Francisco Caetano Furtado cc Antonia Jacinta [or de 
Jesus] in Ponta Garca, Dec 18- 1808, page pg 178. He is filho de Caetano 
Furtado [Roia] and Felicia Rosa Melo; she is filha de Antonio Rego Barbosa 
and Constancia Rosa de Jesus.

JR

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 12:57:54 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Do you have anything on this Antonia de Jesus, wife of Francisco Furtado? 
> Why was Catarina there? (Duh, to have her baby). Why them? Women are 
> usually in labor for several hours. I would *think* she'd be at the house 
> of her sister or sister-in-law, but it could be anybody. I've got the goods 
> on Catarina Jacinta and her hubby Victorino Bento Vieira or Victorino 
> Vieira. Trying to figure out this Antonia de Jesus angle.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:10 AM, JR  
> wrote:
>
>> "a os outo dias". You can see the format more clearly on next page. "em 
>> extrema necesidade, na hora de seo nascimento" (in extreme need at time of 
>> his birth. Literally it would be at hour of his birth)
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 3:16:43 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Baptism of Manuel on the left:
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837_item1/P176.html
>>>
>>> 8th line from the signature on the bottom:
>>> nasceu aos ioto??? or is that supposed to be dezeoito? Or just aos oito?
>>>
>>> Next line: He was baptized in the house of Antonia de Jesus, married 
>>> with Francisco Furtado, of extreme necessity, in the hour of  I lose 
>>> the rest of the record. It doesn't follow the format and no godparents are 
>>> named.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance! Cheri
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with a record from Matriz de Sao Miguel, Vila Franco do Campo

[Margaret Vicente]

Altino,

Manuel Roiz (Rodrigues) son of Sebastiao Rodrigues, deceased, and of his
wife Catarina de Morais with,
Ursula de Melo daughter of Manuel Fernandes boquinha (nick), decased and of
his wife Maria de Melo..

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Groom's mom might be Catharina de Morais. I don't think it says ja
> defuncta.
> Bride's dad: Manuel Fernandez? Ferreira? Ff- something. Parishioner of
> Furnas, I think. Mom is Maria de Mello. Unless you've had too much vinho
> (it's past 5 pm in the Azores). Then she can be Manria :) Probably you
> typing with Fancy Fingers. LOL
>
> Wait, I just checked my genealogy program. I have a Sebastiao Rodrigues
> and Catarina de Morais (possible Moniz). They had a daughter, Agostinha.
> Let me know if you are collecting kids.
>
> I don't have a Maria de Mello married to a Manuel F. She could be under a
> different name in my genealogy program.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:40 AM, 'Altino' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I was hoping i could get some help in terms deciphering the names of the
>> parents of a couple from a marriage record in Vila Franco do Campo.
>>
>> The record is on the top left page, here:
>>
>> p://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAO
>> MIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P43.html
>>
>> From what i can make out, the couple getting married is Manuel Rodrigues
>> (Roiz) and Ursula de Mello.
>>
>> HIs parents: Sebastiao (?) Roiz (deceased) and Catherina (not sure if
>> that is a surname after her first name or if it reads as defunto)
>> Her Parents: Manuel (Ferreira ?) and Manria de Mello
>>
>> (Does anyone know what the word after his surname is ?)
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with a record from Matriz de Sao Miguel, Vila Franco do Campo

[Cheri Mello]

Groom's mom might be Catharina de Morais. I don't think it says ja defuncta.
Bride's dad: Manuel Fernandez? Ferreira? Ff- something. Parishioner of
Furnas, I think. Mom is Maria de Mello. Unless you've had too much vinho
(it's past 5 pm in the Azores). Then she can be Manria :) Probably you
typing with Fancy Fingers. LOL

Wait, I just checked my genealogy program. I have a Sebastiao Rodrigues and
Catarina de Morais (possible Moniz). They had a daughter, Agostinha. Let me
know if you are collecting kids.

I don't have a Maria de Mello married to a Manuel F. She could be under a
different name in my genealogy program.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:40 AM, 'Altino' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I was hoping i could get some help in terms deciphering the names of the
> parents of a couple from a marriage record in Vila Franco do Campo.
>
> The record is on the top left page, here:
>
> p://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-
> SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P43.html
>
> From what i can make out, the couple getting married is Manuel Rodrigues
> (Roiz) and Ursula de Mello.
>
> HIs parents: Sebastiao (?) Roiz (deceased) and Catherina (not sure if that
> is a surname after her first name or if it reads as defunto)
> Her Parents: Manuel (Ferreira ?) and Manria de Mello
>
> (Does anyone know what the word after his surname is ?)
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Antonio translation #64

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

That's so true, Liz, each island has names that are more true to their
island than to all. You might want to look at that center part of the
Portuguese Paleography where is lists the given and surnames. Sometimes you
can find the name there and at least get close to the correct
name/spelling! See you in January.

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> Thanks for these. I've not ever researched in Santa Maria and they are a
> little bit different and the names are foreign to me so getting used to it
> all.
> funny how each place is just a bit different and seems each decade is
> different too.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Liz
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
>> filho legitimo de Jose de Moura Cabral, carpinteiro, e Filomena da
>> Ressurreição Coelho, d'ocupação doméstica
>>
>> Neto paterno de José Ignacio de Moura e Rita Julia Cabral, e materno de
>> Manoel Pedro Coelho e Anna Baptista Coelho.
>>
>> Foram padrinhos Januário Soares de Figueiredo, photographo ('fotografo'),
>> e sua mulher Angelina Lopes de Figueiredo, d'ocupação doméstica.
>>
>> born: Oct 12 1895,
>> baptized: Dec 8 1895
>>
>> The parish and village are right in the link:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/*SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO*
>> -B-1895-1899/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1895-1899_item1/P34.html
>> 
>>
>> SMA: Santa Maria
>> VP: Vila do Porto
>> ASSUNCAO: Nossa Senhora da Assunção
>>
>> There is no Vila do Pedro nor Angra in Santa Maria, but there's Vila do
>> Porto and São Pedro.
>>
>> 2016-12-17 22:05 GMT+00:00 Hughes Roselyn :
>>
>>> Hi Liz
>>>
>>> He was baptised on the 8 of December of 1895
>>>
>>> Line 8 of the record indicates that he was born in the village around 10
>>> hours of
>>> Line 9 the morning on the 12 day of the month of October of
>>> Line 10 the current year (1895)
>>>
>>> It does not say if he is the first or second of that name
>>>
>>> Mother's name is Filomena da Ressurreicao Coelho.  The first part of her
>>> middle name is on line 11:  Res and the remainder is at the beginning of
>>> the next line 12:  surreicao.
>>>
>>> The notes on the left are about his marriage and his death.  I can't
>>> make out the whole note but note one:  he was married to Virginia de
>>> Conceicao (?) on the 2 of January 1921.
>>> Note 2:  He died in the village of  Villa of Porto on the 28 day August
>>> Obit No 44 of the current year 1945
>>>
>>> Hope this helps some.  Sorry,  I couldn't make out the rest of the
>>> names, but  I am sure others can and will do so.
>>>
>>> Roselyn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
 ASSUNCAO-B-1895-1899/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1895-1899_item1/P34.html

 Does it say he is the first or second of that name?  Antonio on right
 #64

 Liz




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 Date: Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM
 Subject: Antonio translation #64
 To: "azores@googlegroups.com" 


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
 ASSUNCAO-B-1895-1899/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1895-1899_item1/P34.html

 Right hand side.  Can't make out all of father's and mother's names.
 father Jose ?? Cabral
 mother Filomena da Coelho
 neto paterno  Jose Ignacio ? and Rita Julia Cabral
 materno Coelho and Anna ?Coelho

 December 8, 1985  was birth or Baptism  I don't see any other date
 What's the name of the Parish and village?  Villa do Pedro?   Angra?

 What do the notes on the left column refer to

 Liz

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with a record from Matriz de Sao Miguel, Vila Franco do Campo

['Altino' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi everyone,

I was hoping i could get some help in terms deciphering the names of the 
parents of a couple from a marriage record in Vila Franco do Campo.

The record is on the top left page, here: 

p://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P43.html

>From what i can make out, the couple getting married is Manuel Rodrigues 
(Roiz) and Ursula de Mello. 

HIs parents: Sebastiao (?) Roiz (deceased) and Catherina (not sure if that 
is a surname after her first name or if it reads as defunto)
Her Parents: Manuel (Ferreira ?) and Manria de Mello

(Does anyone know what the word after his surname is ?)

Thanks for your help.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[linda]

Well, the first glaring error is that the date should be 18*3*1-- I thought 
I'd fixed that, but no.

:)

Linda

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 10:18:26 AM UTC-8, linda wrote:
>
>
> Hi Louie,
>
> Here's my transcription and translation of the record you posted:  
>
>
> Sabina filha de Pascoal Machado Men-
> donca, e de sua mulher Margarida Rosa am-
> bos naturaes da Paroquial Igreja de S. Tiago
> do lugar da R.a Secca termo da V.a da Calhe
> ta da Ilha de S. Jorge, freguezes desta Pa
> roquial Igreja do gloriozo S. Lazaro do So
> bredito termo nasceo em o dia vinte e nove do
> mes de Janeiro do anno de 1821 e foi baptizada
> em os trinta do mesmo mez e anno forao Padri-
> nhos Antonio Severino, e Sabina d'Azevedo fi
> lhos d'Antonio Pedroso de Borba e de sua mulher
> Anna d'Az.o. Testemunhos Agostinho Silvr.a
> [...torn..] d'Az.o, e Manoel Jose de Sz.a todos naturaes e
> [...torn..] freguezes da Supra dita Parochial de S. Lazaro
> [...torn..]ue Lancei este termo que assigno comas ditos
> [..torn..]munhos  [hash marks] Era ut Supra O Vigario Ma-
> [..torn..].a d'Av.o[a?] Agostinho Silvr.a Az.o
> Manoel [torn] de Sz.a
>
> Sabina daughter of Pascoal Machado Men-
> donca and of his wife Margarida Rosa both
> natives of the Parochial church of Saint Iago 
> of the place of Ribeira Seca district of Villa da Calheta
> of the Island of Sao Jorge, [the parents are] parishioners of this
> Parochial Church of Sao Lazaro of the
> above said district [the baby, Sabina] was born on the 29th day of the
> month of January of the year of 1821 and was baptised
> on the 30th of the same month and year, the Godparents were
> Antonio Severino and Sabina d'Azevedo 
> children/offspring of Antonio Pedroso de Borba and his wife
> Anna d'Azevedo. Witnesses [were] Agostinho Silveira
> [] d'Azevedo, and Manoel Jose de Souza all natives and
> [] parishioners of the above said Parish of Sao Lazaro
> [] I made this record which I signed along with the said
> witnesses.  Era ut Supra The Vicar ...[Signatures follow] 
>
>
> I have trouble differentiating his "s" vs. "z" and "a" vs. "o"-- there are 
> likely other errors--but I hope it's a helpful start,
>
> Linda
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 12:42:57 AM UTC-8, LouieLouieOhOh wrote:
>>
>>
>> To be honest ... what started me on this particular journey ... was the 
>> baptism record for Sabina (bottom left of this record. She "appears" to be 
>> my 2X Great grandmother.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1830-1852/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1830-1852_item1/P6.html
>>
>> I think it lists her father as Pascoal Machado Mendonca and mother is 
>> Margarida Rosa ... but I'm confused about the rest of the record from that 
>> point to the end ... my Portuguese is not good so ... I am looking for help.
>>
>> What does the record say beyond that point?
>>
>> Louie 
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[linda]

Hi Louie,

Here's my transcription and translation of the record you posted:  


Sabina filha de Pascoal Machado Men-
donca, e de sua mulher Margarida Rosa am-
bos naturaes da Paroquial Igreja de S. Tiago
do lugar da R.a Secca termo da V.a da Calhe
ta da Ilha de S. Jorge, freguezes desta Pa
roquial Igreja do gloriozo S. Lazaro do So
bredito termo nasceo em o dia vinte e nove do
mes de Janeiro do anno de 1821 e foi baptizada
em os trinta do mesmo mez e anno forao Padri-
nhos Antonio Severino, e Sabina d'Azevedo fi
lhos d'Antonio Pedroso de Borba e de sua mulher
Anna d'Az.o. Testemunhos Agostinho Silvr.a
[...torn..] d'Az.o, e Manoel Jose de Sz.a todos naturaes e
[...torn..] freguezes da Supra dita Parochial de S. Lazaro
[...torn..]ue Lancei este termo que assigno comas ditos
[..torn..]munhos  [hash marks] Era ut Supra O Vigario Ma-
[..torn..].a d'Av.o[a?] Agostinho Silvr.a Az.o
Manoel [torn] de Sz.a

Sabina daughter of Pascoal Machado Men-
donca and of his wife Margarida Rosa both
natives of the Parochial church of Saint Iago 
of the place of Ribeira Seca district of Villa da Calheta
of the Island of Sao Jorge, [the parents are] parishioners of this
Parochial Church of Sao Lazaro of the
above said district [the baby, Sabina] was born on the 29th day of the
month of January of the year of 1821 and was baptised
on the 30th of the same month and year, the Godparents were
Antonio Severino and Sabina d'Azevedo 
children/offspring of Antonio Pedroso de Borba and his wife
Anna d'Azevedo. Witnesses [were] Agostinho Silveira
[] d'Azevedo, and Manoel Jose de Souza all natives and
[] parishioners of the above said Parish of Sao Lazaro
[] I made this record which I signed along with the said
witnesses.  Era ut Supra The Vicar ...[Signatures follow] 


I have trouble differentiating his "s" vs. "z" and "a" vs. "o"-- there are 
likely other errors--but I hope it's a helpful start,

Linda

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 12:42:57 AM UTC-8, LouieLouieOhOh wrote:
>
>
> To be honest ... what started me on this particular journey ... was the 
> baptism record for Sabina (bottom left of this record. She "appears" to be 
> my 2X Great grandmother.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1830-1852/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1830-1852_item1/P6.html
>
> I think it lists her father as Pascoal Machado Mendonca and mother is 
> Margarida Rosa ... but I'm confused about the rest of the record from that 
> point to the end ... my Portuguese is not good so ... I am looking for help.
>
> What does the record say beyond that point?
>
> Louie 
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Antonio translation #64

[Elizabeth Migliori]

Thanks for these. I've not ever researched in Santa Maria and they are a
little bit different and the names are foreign to me so getting used to it
all.
funny how each place is just a bit different and seems each decade is
different too.

Thanks again

Liz

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:

> filho legitimo de Jose de Moura Cabral, carpinteiro, e Filomena da
> Ressurreição Coelho, d'ocupação doméstica
>
> Neto paterno de José Ignacio de Moura e Rita Julia Cabral, e materno de
> Manoel Pedro Coelho e Anna Baptista Coelho.
>
> Foram padrinhos Januário Soares de Figueiredo, photographo ('fotografo'),
> e sua mulher Angelina Lopes de Figueiredo, d'ocupação doméstica.
>
> born: Oct 12 1895,
> baptized: Dec 8 1895
>
> The parish and village are right in the link:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/*SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO*
> -B-1895-1899/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1895-1899_item1/P34.html
> 
>
> SMA: Santa Maria
> VP: Vila do Porto
> ASSUNCAO: Nossa Senhora da Assunção
>
> There is no Vila do Pedro nor Angra in Santa Maria, but there's Vila do
> Porto and São Pedro.
>
> 2016-12-17 22:05 GMT+00:00 Hughes Roselyn :
>
>> Hi Liz
>>
>> He was baptised on the 8 of December of 1895
>>
>> Line 8 of the record indicates that he was born in the village around 10
>> hours of
>> Line 9 the morning on the 12 day of the month of October of
>> Line 10 the current year (1895)
>>
>> It does not say if he is the first or second of that name
>>
>> Mother's name is Filomena da Ressurreicao Coelho.  The first part of her
>> middle name is on line 11:  Res and the remainder is at the beginning of
>> the next line 12:  surreicao.
>>
>> The notes on the left are about his marriage and his death.  I can't make
>> out the whole note but note one:  he was married to Virginia de Conceicao
>> (?) on the 2 of January 1921.
>> Note 2:  He died in the village of  Villa of Porto on the 28 day August
>> Obit No 44 of the current year 1945
>>
>> Hope this helps some.  Sorry,  I couldn't make out the rest of the names,
>> but  I am sure others can and will do so.
>>
>> Roselyn
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>>> ASSUNCAO-B-1895-1899/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1895-1899_item1/P34.html
>>>
>>> Does it say he is the first or second of that name?  Antonio on right
>>> #64
>>>
>>> Liz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: Elizabeth Migliori 
>>> Date: Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM
>>> Subject: Antonio translation #64
>>> To: "azores@googlegroups.com" 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>>> ASSUNCAO-B-1895-1899/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1895-1899_item1/P34.html
>>>
>>> Right hand side.  Can't make out all of father's and mother's names.
>>> father Jose ?? Cabral
>>> mother Filomena da Coelho
>>> neto paterno  Jose Ignacio ? and Rita Julia Cabral
>>> materno Coelho and Anna ?Coelho
>>>
>>> December 8, 1985  was birth or Baptism  I don't see any other date
>>> What's the name of the Parish and village?  Villa do Pedro?   Angra?
>>>
>>> What do the notes on the left column refer to
>>>
>>> Liz
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Anna Cabral

[pjm47]

No i have not made an attempt to look for them yet

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 2:32:41 AM UTC-5, LouieLouieOhOh wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> I meant no disrespect ... it is amazing how long you have researched! I 
> will keep an eye out for Anna!
>
> Have you found "Antonio Cabral Silva and Anna Lucianna's" marriage 
> document?
>
> Louie
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Felicissima or Felicisima

[Cheri Mello]

She's not my ancestor (not that I know of). She the mother of someone who
married a sibling of one of my line and I was fixing the spelling and
opened up this whole can of worms!

Just to thinkthis woman lived her life in an identity crisis!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Margaret Vicente <
margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:

> LOL, Cheri.  In mine I usually record the 'original' name and follow RR's
> lead which in this case is Felicidade, or Felicia, or Felicissima.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a great that is Cecilia and the priests spell it about 5 different
>> ways at least! Change the 'c' to 's' and the 'i' to 'y' and you get the
>> idea!!
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Haven't worked the far back yet. So far, on 5 kids she's Felicissima.
>>> It's probably different priests recording it differently. This poor woman -
>>> they don't have her name straight :(
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 He name is neither.  At baptism she was named "Felicidade"

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
 RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837_i
 tem1/P54.html

 On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> Margaret,
>
> In this case she looks like she's the same woman.
>
> Here's her marriage (left side) She's Felicia:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
> RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860_i
> tem1/P52.html
>
> Here's kid #1, Francisco on the right. She's Felicissima:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
> RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_i
> tem1/P8.html
>
> I'm going through all the baptisms now trying to figure out which is
> her name and where the priest had too much vinho. I would *think* that
> she'd be Felicissima and that the priest just wrote the shorter name.
> Felicia is used more than Felicissima.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>>
>> Careful, Felicia is another form of the name but it does not mean it
>> is modern spelling of Felicissima.  I may be named Felicissima and my
>> sister Felicia.  Two (2) similar but different names.
>>
>> Spelling is Felicia.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Cheri Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And the modern spelling for Felecia is Felicia?
>>>
>>> I was fixing the spellings in my database. After a while I don't
>>> know if I'm reading in Portuguese or English anymore. Now that it's the
>>> morning, Felicia looks right to me, but I think that's how it's spelled 
>>> in
>>> English.
>>>
>>> Thanks! Cheri
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Still double S

 FeliSSima.

 You're welcome.!


 On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> What is the modern spelling of Felicissima? Is it with a double S
> (Felicissima) or a single S (Felicisima)?
> Thanks!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[Diane George]

Louie,

The original death record is at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1880-1889/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1880-1889_item1/P149.html.

There is no mention of “Fredona” but there is a reference to “faja redonda” in 
the context of where the house where Jose died.

Diane George

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
LouieLouieOhOh
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 11:37 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

Cheri,

Here is the site ...

http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=ribeiraseca=pt=NG=Jose+Francisco+Azevedo=PN

Louie

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
You mean CITCEM? (Old acronym - NEPS)
Only freguesia on CITCEM for Sao Jorge island is Ribeira Seca. Not Norte Grande.
There's lots of mistakes in CITCEM. You should check the original records. You 
don't say where this Jose Francisco Azevedo died or post any link.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, LouieLouieOhOh 
 wrote:
While browsing the uminho.pt site, I came across this:

José Francisco Azevedo

  *   Born on 1 January 1826 - N.Grande,N.S.Neves
  *   Died on 23 November 1889 - rs/Fredonda
  *   Age at death: 63 years old
Does anyone know what "rs/Fredonda" represents?

Louie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Felicissima or Felicisima

[Margaret Vicente]

LOL, Cheri.  In mine I usually record the 'original' name and follow RR's
lead which in this case is Felicidade, or Felicia, or Felicissima.


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> I have a great that is Cecilia and the priests spell it about 5 different
> ways at least! Change the 'c' to 's' and the 'i' to 'y' and you get the
> idea!!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Haven't worked the far back yet. So far, on 5 kids she's Felicissima.
>> It's probably different priests recording it differently. This poor woman -
>> they don't have her name straight :(
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> He name is neither.  At baptism she was named "Felicidade"
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>>> RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837_i
>>> tem1/P54.html
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Cheri Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Margaret,

 In this case she looks like she's the same woman.

 Here's her marriage (left side) She's Felicia:
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
 RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860_i
 tem1/P52.html

 Here's kid #1, Francisco on the right. She's Felicissima:
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
 RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_i
 tem1/P8.html

 I'm going through all the baptisms now trying to figure out which is
 her name and where the priest had too much vinho. I would *think* that
 she'd be Felicissima and that the priest just wrote the shorter name.
 Felicia is used more than Felicissima.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Margaret Vicente <
 margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Cheri,
>
> Careful, Felicia is another form of the name but it does not mean it
> is modern spelling of Felicissima.  I may be named Felicissima and my
> sister Felicia.  Two (2) similar but different names.
>
> Spelling is Felicia.
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
>
>> And the modern spelling for Felecia is Felicia?
>>
>> I was fixing the spellings in my database. After a while I don't know
>> if I'm reading in Portuguese or English anymore. Now that it's the 
>> morning,
>> Felicia looks right to me, but I think that's how it's spelled in 
>> English.
>>
>> Thanks! Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
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>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Still double S
>>>
>>> FeliSSima.
>>>
>>> You're welcome.!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Cheri Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What is the modern spelling of Felicissima? Is it with a double S
 (Felicissima) or a single S (Felicisima)?
 Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1836 Baptism in Ribeira Quente on Sao Miguel island (way too much vinho)

[Cheri Mello]

Do you have anything on this Antonia de Jesus, wife of Francisco Furtado?
Why was Catarina there? (Duh, to have her baby). Why them? Women are
usually in labor for several hours. I would *think* she'd be at the house
of her sister or sister-in-law, but it could be anybody. I've got the goods
on Catarina Jacinta and her hubby Victorino Bento Vieira or Victorino
Vieira. Trying to figure out this Antonia de Jesus angle.

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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:10 AM, JR  wrote:

> "a os outo dias". You can see the format more clearly on next page. "em
> extrema necesidade, na hora de seo nascimento" (in extreme need at time of
> his birth. Literally it would be at hour of his birth)
>
> JR
>
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 3:16:43 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Baptism of Manuel on the left:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>> RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837_
>> item1/P176.html
>>
>> 8th line from the signature on the bottom:
>> nasceu aos ioto??? or is that supposed to be dezeoito? Or just aos oito?
>>
>> Next line: He was baptized in the house of Antonia de Jesus, married with
>> Francisco Furtado, of extreme necessity, in the hour of  I lose the
>> rest of the record. It doesn't follow the format and no godparents are
>> named.
>>
>> Thanks in advance! Cheri
>> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Felicissima or Felicisima

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

I have a great that is Cecilia and the priests spell it about 5 different
ways at least! Change the 'c' to 's' and the 'i' to 'y' and you get the
idea!!

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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Haven't worked the far back yet. So far, on 5 kids she's Felicissima. It's
> probably different priests recording it differently. This poor woman - they
> don't have her name straight :(
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> He name is neither.  At baptism she was named "Felicidade"
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>> RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837_item1/P54.html
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Cheri Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Margaret,
>>>
>>> In this case she looks like she's the same woman.
>>>
>>> Here's her marriage (left side) She's Felicia:
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>>> RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860_i
>>> tem1/P52.html
>>>
>>> Here's kid #1, Francisco on the right. She's Felicissima:
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>>> RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P8.html
>>>
>>> I'm going through all the baptisms now trying to figure out which is her
>>> name and where the priest had too much vinho. I would *think* that she'd be
>>> Felicissima and that the priest just wrote the shorter name. Felicia is
>>> used more than Felicissima.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Cheri,

 Careful, Felicia is another form of the name but it does not mean it is
 modern spelling of Felicissima.  I may be named Felicissima and my sister
 Felicia.  Two (2) similar but different names.

 Spelling is Felicia.

 On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> And the modern spelling for Felecia is Felicia?
>
> I was fixing the spellings in my database. After a while I don't know
> if I'm reading in Portuguese or English anymore. Now that it's the 
> morning,
> Felicia looks right to me, but I think that's how it's spelled in English.
>
> Thanks! Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Still double S
>>
>> FeliSSima.
>>
>> You're welcome.!
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Cheri Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What is the modern spelling of Felicissima? Is it with a double S
>>> (Felicissima) or a single S (Felicisima)?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Felicissima or Felicisima

[Cheri Mello]

Haven't worked the far back yet. So far, on 5 kids she's Felicissima. It's
probably different priests recording it differently. This poor woman - they
don't have her name straight :(

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> He name is neither.  At baptism she was named "Felicidade"
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-
> 1837_item1/P54.html
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Margaret,
>>
>> In this case she looks like she's the same woman.
>>
>> Here's her marriage (left side) She's Felicia:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>> RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860_item1/P52.html
>>
>> Here's kid #1, Francisco on the right. She's Felicissima:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>> RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P8.html
>>
>> I'm going through all the baptisms now trying to figure out which is her
>> name and where the priest had too much vinho. I would *think* that she'd be
>> Felicissima and that the priest just wrote the shorter name. Felicia is
>> used more than Felicissima.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri,
>>>
>>> Careful, Felicia is another form of the name but it does not mean it is
>>> modern spelling of Felicissima.  I may be named Felicissima and my sister
>>> Felicia.  Two (2) similar but different names.
>>>
>>> Spelling is Felicia.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Cheri Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 And the modern spelling for Felecia is Felicia?

 I was fixing the spellings in my database. After a while I don't know
 if I'm reading in Portuguese or English anymore. Now that it's the morning,
 Felicia looks right to me, but I think that's how it's spelled in English.

 Thanks! Cheri

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 On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Margaret Vicente <
 margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Still double S
>
> FeliSSima.
>
> You're welcome.!
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
>
>> What is the modern spelling of Felicissima? Is it with a double S
>> (Felicissima) or a single S (Felicisima)?
>> Thanks!
>> Cheri Mello
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>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Felicissima or Felicisima

[Margaret Vicente]

He name is neither.  At baptism she was named "Felicidade"

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837_item1/P54.html

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Margaret,
>
> In this case she looks like she's the same woman.
>
> Here's her marriage (left side) She's Felicia:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-
> 1860_item1/P52.html
>
> Here's kid #1, Francisco on the right. She's Felicissima:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-
> 1859_item1/P8.html
>
> I'm going through all the baptisms now trying to figure out which is her
> name and where the priest had too much vinho. I would *think* that she'd be
> Felicissima and that the priest just wrote the shorter name. Felicia is
> used more than Felicissima.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>>
>> Careful, Felicia is another form of the name but it does not mean it is
>> modern spelling of Felicissima.  I may be named Felicissima and my sister
>> Felicia.  Two (2) similar but different names.
>>
>> Spelling is Felicia.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Cheri Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And the modern spelling for Felecia is Felicia?
>>>
>>> I was fixing the spellings in my database. After a while I don't know if
>>> I'm reading in Portuguese or English anymore. Now that it's the morning,
>>> Felicia looks right to me, but I think that's how it's spelled in English.
>>>
>>> Thanks! Cheri
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Still double S

 FeliSSima.

 You're welcome.!


 On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> What is the modern spelling of Felicissima? Is it with a double S
> (Felicissima) or a single S (Felicisima)?
> Thanks!
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Felicissima or Felicisima

[Cheri Mello]

Margaret,

In this case she looks like she's the same woman.

Here's her marriage (left side) She's Felicia:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860_item1/P52.html

Here's kid #1, Francisco on the right. She's Felicissima:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P8.html

I'm going through all the baptisms now trying to figure out which is her
name and where the priest had too much vinho. I would *think* that she'd be
Felicissima and that the priest just wrote the shorter name. Felicia is
used more than Felicissima.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Cheri,
>
> Careful, Felicia is another form of the name but it does not mean it is
> modern spelling of Felicissima.  I may be named Felicissima and my sister
> Felicia.  Two (2) similar but different names.
>
> Spelling is Felicia.
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> And the modern spelling for Felecia is Felicia?
>>
>> I was fixing the spellings in my database. After a while I don't know if
>> I'm reading in Portuguese or English anymore. Now that it's the morning,
>> Felicia looks right to me, but I think that's how it's spelled in English.
>>
>> Thanks! Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Still double S
>>>
>>> FeliSSima.
>>>
>>> You're welcome.!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Cheri Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What is the modern spelling of Felicissima? Is it with a double S
 (Felicissima) or a single S (Felicisima)?
 Thanks!
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Felicissima or Felicisima

[Cheri Mello]

Yeah, just as I went to type this, I realized it was Felicia. Caffeine is
kicking in! LOL

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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Cheri,
>
> Careful, Felicia is another form of the name but it does not mean it is
> modern spelling of Felicissima.  I may be named Felicissima and my sister
> Felicia.  Two (2) similar but different names.
>
> Spelling is Felicia.
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> And the modern spelling for Felecia is Felicia?
>>
>> I was fixing the spellings in my database. After a while I don't know if
>> I'm reading in Portuguese or English anymore. Now that it's the morning,
>> Felicia looks right to me, but I think that's how it's spelled in English.
>>
>> Thanks! Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Still double S
>>>
>>> FeliSSima.
>>>
>>> You're welcome.!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Cheri Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What is the modern spelling of Felicissima? Is it with a double S
 (Felicissima) or a single S (Felicisima)?
 Thanks!
 Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Felicissima or Felicisima

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri,

Careful, Felicia is another form of the name but it does not mean it is
modern spelling of Felicissima.  I may be named Felicissima and my sister
Felicia.  Two (2) similar but different names.

Spelling is Felicia.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> And the modern spelling for Felecia is Felicia?
>
> I was fixing the spellings in my database. After a while I don't know if
> I'm reading in Portuguese or English anymore. Now that it's the morning,
> Felicia looks right to me, but I think that's how it's spelled in English.
>
> Thanks! Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
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>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Still double S
>>
>> FeliSSima.
>>
>> You're welcome.!
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> What is the modern spelling of Felicissima? Is it with a double S
>>> (Felicissima) or a single S (Felicisima)?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Felicissima or Felicisima

[Cheri Mello]

And the modern spelling for Felecia is Felicia?

I was fixing the spellings in my database. After a while I don't know if
I'm reading in Portuguese or English anymore. Now that it's the morning,
Felicia looks right to me, but I think that's how it's spelled in English.

Thanks! Cheri

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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Still double S
>
> FeliSSima.
>
> You're welcome.!
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> What is the modern spelling of Felicissima? Is it with a double S
>> (Felicissima) or a single S (Felicisima)?
>> Thanks!
>> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[Cheri Mello]

Another reason abbreviations are bad. I don't remember ever seeing a key or
legend on the CITCEM site that explains the abbreviations. In books (such
as Rodrigo Rodrigues) there was a page of abbreviations in the front (or
maybe the back) of the published book. I like that!

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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Louie et al
>
> I think I can help. It's in short form.
>
> rs/Fredonda
>
> He dies in rs=Ribeira seca
>
> Fredonda = Faja Redonda
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:37 AM, LouieLouieOhOh 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Cheri ...
>>
>> I'll look for his death record ... there is a ship named Fredonia ...
>> maybe he died at sea?
>>
>> and the story goes on ...
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Felicissima or Felicisima

[Margaret Vicente]

Still double S

FeliSSima.

You're welcome.!


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> What is the modern spelling of Felicissima? Is it with a double S
> (Felicissima) or a single S (Felicisima)?
> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[Margaret Vicente]

Louie et al

I think I can help. It's in short form.

rs/Fredonda

He dies in rs=Ribeira seca

Fredonda = Faja Redonda

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>
> I'll look for his death record ... there is a ship named Fredonia ...
> maybe he died at sea?
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> and the story goes on ...
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1836 Baptism in Ribeira Quente on Sao Miguel island (way too much vinho)

[JR]

"a os outo dias". You can see the format more clearly on next page. "em 
extrema necesidade, na hora de seo nascimento" (in extreme need at time of 
his birth. Literally it would be at hour of his birth)

JR

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 3:16:43 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Baptism of Manuel on the left:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837_item1/P176.html
>
> 8th line from the signature on the bottom:
> nasceu aos ioto??? or is that supposed to be dezeoito? Or just aos oito?
>
> Next line: He was baptized in the house of Antonia de Jesus, married with 
> Francisco Furtado, of extreme necessity, in the hour of  I lose the 
> rest of the record. It doesn't follow the format and no godparents are 
> named.
>
> Thanks in advance! Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[Cheri Mello]

Gayle,

OK, yes, it's coming back to me. That's what it was... no pai(s)
incognito(s) in the book. I probably over applied the memory to include the
CITCEM. You use it more than me, so you would know that kind of stuff.

Still don't know for sure what freguesia Louie is in and I'm going off to
bed.
Cheri

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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:01 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Cheri,
>
> The confusion may stem from the book to database transition. In Amorim's
> book, the genealogical info was shown as an appendix. Children of unknown
> parentage were not listed. (Only family groups appeared.) Maybe some
> slipped in, but not many. The database allowed more fields to be included,
> so more people were listed, e.g. a parent born in a different village
> appears in the database but not in the appendix. And, they linked up the
> families in a "friendlier" format compared to the codes shown in the
> appendix.
>
> For me, one of the frustrations has been when a person, e.g. father, is
> listed but birth is attributed to a different freguesia and then in the
> records for that village he is listed as born in the first freguesia or
> does not appear at all. In other words, the cross referencing sometimes
> misses the mark. Which begs the question "Who messed up ?" The priest ? The
> transcriber ? Or, regardless of the person, was it simply a case of too
> much vinho as you like to say ?
>
> Ok, it's a bit late for standing on a soap box, so I'll close by wishing
> you Happy Holidays.
>
> Take care,
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2016, at 12:20 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Gayle, I know they have added some. I know the initial project didn't
> really include them. Or maybe it's only some freguesias. I don't utilize
> the database that much because I don't have family there. I use it to help
> researchers here. So you would know more than I would. I remember in the
> beginning they skipped over the "pai incognito" or "pais incognitos." So
> you know more than me! So if they include them now, then I stand corrected.
> Thanks!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:16 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>>
>> I hate to disagree with you as your track record is so good, but there
>> are children without fathers listed. Maybe not all are listed. In fact,
>> some are listed without either parent as in the case of expostos.
>>
>> At least, in the records for Pico where I did my research.
>>
>> Gayle
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that's CITCEM (formerly NEPS). It's housed at the University of
>> Minho. It was a sociology study there at that university. They were
>> compiling records of baptisms, marriages, and deaths. The left out children
>> who had no fathers (I don't understand that as some of them grew up and
>> were a part of society). A woman on this list was there doing research when
>> this project was going on. She saw the students. Not only does the
>> opportunity for human error come into play, she said that she observed some
>> of them flirting and what not. So yes, lots of opportunities for errors.
>>
>> Without the cookie crumb trail of where you are finding this URL (it
>> kinda looks like R.Seca on Sao Jorge), I'm not going to guess. Find the
>> record on the CCA and I'll take a look at the record. But you need to do
>> the legwork and find the record (I'm guessing you want the death?)
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:37 PM, LouieLouieOhOh <
>> louielouieo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri,
>>>
>>> Here is the site ...
>>>
>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=ribeiraseca
>>> ang=pt=NG=Jose+Francisco+Azevedo=PN
>>>
>>> Louie
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:

 You mean CITCEM? (Old acronym - NEPS)

 Only freguesia on CITCEM for Sao Jorge island is Ribeira Seca. Not
 Norte Grande.

 There's lots of mistakes in CITCEM. You should check the original
 records. You don't say where this Jose Francisco Azevedo died or post any
 link.


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 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, LouieLouieOhOh 
 wrote:

> While browsing the uminho.pt site, I came across this:
>
> José Francisco Azevedo
>
>- Born on 1 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Louie,

Before you actually get to this page, assuming you're the one going through the 
process as opposed to someone simply sending you a link to this one page, there 
will be a page with a slew of flags near the top of the page. If you click on 
the Union Jack, the subsequent pages will appear in English. It might clear up 
the confusion for this record. 

If you know this already, then I apologize for taking up your time. 

Continued good luck with your research. 

Gayle



> On Dec 17, 2016, at 11:37 PM, LouieLouieOhOh  wrote:
> 
> Cheri,
> 
> Here is the site ...
> 
> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=ribeiraseca=pt=NG=Jose+Francisco+Azevedo=PN
> 
> Louie
> 
>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> You mean CITCEM? (Old acronym - NEPS)
>> 
>> Only freguesia on CITCEM for Sao Jorge island is Ribeira Seca. Not Norte 
>> Grande. 
>> 
>> There's lots of mistakes in CITCEM. You should check the original records. 
>> You don't say where this Jose Francisco Azevedo died or post any link.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, LouieLouieOhOh  
>>> wrote:
>>> While browsing the uminho.pt site, I came across this:
>>> 
>>> José Francisco Azevedo
>>> 
>>> Born on 1 January 1826 - N.Grande,N.S.Neves
>>> Died on 23 November 1889 - rs/Fredonda
>>> Age at death: 63 years old
>>> Does anyone know what "rs/Fredonda" represents?
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Cheri,

The confusion may stem from the book to database transition. In Amorim's book, 
the genealogical info was shown as an appendix. Children of unknown parentage 
were not listed. (Only family groups appeared.) Maybe some slipped in, but not 
many. The database allowed more fields to be included, so more people were 
listed, e.g. a parent born in a different village appears in the database but 
not in the appendix. And, they linked up the families in a "friendlier" format 
compared to the codes shown in the appendix. 

For me, one of the frustrations has been when a person, e.g. father, is listed 
but birth is attributed to a different freguesia and then in the records for 
that village he is listed as born in the first freguesia or does not appear at 
all. In other words, the cross referencing sometimes misses the mark. Which 
begs the question "Who messed up ?" The priest ? The transcriber ? Or, 
regardless of the person, was it simply a case of too much vinho as you like to 
say ?

Ok, it's a bit late for standing on a soap box, so I'll close by wishing you 
Happy Holidays. 

Take care,

Gayle





> On Dec 18, 2016, at 12:20 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Gayle, I know they have added some. I know the initial project didn't really 
> include them. Or maybe it's only some freguesias. I don't utilize the 
> database that much because I don't have family there. I use it to help 
> researchers here. So you would know more than I would. I remember in the 
> beginning they skipped over the "pai incognito" or "pais incognitos." So you 
> know more than me! So if they include them now, then I stand corrected. 
> Thanks!
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:16 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> Cheri,
>> 
>> I hate to disagree with you as your track record is so good, but there are 
>> children without fathers listed. Maybe not all are listed. In fact, some are 
>> listed without either parent as in the case of expostos. 
>> 
>> At least, in the records for Pico where I did my research. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, that's CITCEM (formerly NEPS). It's housed at the University of Minho. 
>>> It was a sociology study there at that university. They were compiling 
>>> records of baptisms, marriages, and deaths. The left out children who had 
>>> no fathers (I don't understand that as some of them grew up and were a part 
>>> of society). A woman on this list was there doing research when this 
>>> project was going on. She saw the students. Not only does the opportunity 
>>> for human error come into play, she said that she observed some of them 
>>> flirting and what not. So yes, lots of opportunities for errors.
>>> 
>>> Without the cookie crumb trail of where you are finding this URL (it kinda 
>>> looks like R.Seca on Sao Jorge), I'm not going to guess. Find the record on 
>>> the CCA and I'll take a look at the record. But you need to do the legwork 
>>> and find the record (I'm guessing you want the death?)
>>> 
>>> Cheri
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
 On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:37 PM, LouieLouieOhOh 
  wrote:
 Cheri,
 
 Here is the site ...
 
 http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=ribeiraseca=pt=NG=Jose+Francisco+Azevedo=PN
 
 Louie
 
> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
> You mean CITCEM? (Old acronym - NEPS)
> 
> Only freguesia on CITCEM for Sao Jorge island is Ribeira Seca. Not Norte 
> Grande. 
> 
> There's lots of mistakes in CITCEM. You should check the original 
> records. You don't say where this Jose Francisco Azevedo died or post any 
> link.
> 
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, LouieLouieOhOh  
>> wrote:
>> While browsing the uminho.pt site, I came across this:
>> 
>> José Francisco Azevedo
>> 
>> Born on 1 January 1826 - N.Grande,N.S.Neves
>> Died on 23 November 1889 - rs/Fredonda
>> Age at death: 63 years old
>> Does anyone know what "rs/Fredonda" represents?
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[Cheri Mello]

No, if he died at sea he wouldn't be recorded as dying in a particular
freguesia because he did not die there. Records at sea are recorded
differently. It wouldn't be in CITCEM.

Read Michael Tepper's "American Passenger Arrival Records" and John P.
Colletta's "They Came in Ships" is you think your ancestor died at sea.
Your public library probably has them.

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:37 AM, LouieLouieOhOh 
wrote:

> Thanks Cheri ...
>
> I'll look for his death record ... there is a ship named Fredonia ...
> maybe he died at sea?
>
> and the story goes on ...
>
> Louie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[LouieLouieOhOh]

Thanks Cheri ...

I'll look for his death record ... there is a ship named Fredonia ... maybe 
he died at sea?

and the story goes on ...

Louie

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[LouieLouieOhOh]

To be honest ... what started me on this particular journey ... was the 
baptism record for Sabina (bottom left of this record. She "appears" to be 
my 2X Great grandmother.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1830-1852/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1830-1852_item1/P6.html

I think it lists her father as Pascoal Machado Mendonca and mother is 
Margarida Rosa ... but I'm confused about the rest of the record from that 
point to the end ... my Portuguese is not good so ... I am looking for help.

What does the record say beyond that point?

Louie 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[Cheri Mello]

You are typing "Redonda" and the site says "Fredonda." Which one do you
want?

Redonda means round in Portuguese. Fredonda is not a word. Neither is a
genealogy term.

Cheri Mello
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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:13 AM, LouieLouieOhOh 
wrote:

> Cheri,
>
> Yes, I saw errors too ... lots of them ... that is beside my question
> because I am verifying each of my family members with baptism, marriage,
> death, etc. on the CCA site.
>
> I was being specific about the term "rs/Redonda". Is that not a genealogy
> term? If not and you know someone here (that belongs to this group) who was
> involved with the research, might she know the term?
>
> No big deal ... just wondering if Redonda is a ship and he might have died
> at sea?
>
> Remember, I'm a geneology noobie ... and a 62 year old adult. :')
>
> Louie
>
> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 11:55:49 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that's CITCEM (formerly NEPS). It's housed at the University of
>> Minho. It was a sociology study there at that university. They were
>> compiling records of baptisms, marriages, and deaths. The left out children
>> who had no fathers (I don't understand that as some of them grew up and
>> were a part of society). A woman on this list was there doing research when
>> this project was going on. She saw the students. Not only does the
>> opportunity for human error come into play, she said that she observed some
>> of them flirting and what not. So yes, lots of opportunities for errors.
>>
>> Without the cookie crumb trail of where you are finding this URL (it
>> kinda looks like R.Seca on Sao Jorge), I'm not going to guess. Find the
>> record on the CCA and I'll take a look at the record. But you need to do
>> the legwork and find the record (I'm guessing you want the death?)
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:37 PM, LouieLouieOhOh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri,
>>>
>>> Here is the site ...
>>>
>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=ribeiraseca
>>> ang=pt=NG=Jose+Francisco+Azevedo=PN
>>>
>>> Louie
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:

 You mean CITCEM? (Old acronym - NEPS)

 Only freguesia on CITCEM for Sao Jorge island is Ribeira Seca. Not
 Norte Grande.

 There's lots of mistakes in CITCEM. You should check the original
 records. You don't say where this Jose Francisco Azevedo died or post any
 link.


 Cheri Mello
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 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, LouieLouieOhOh 
 wrote:

> While browsing the uminho.pt site, I came across this:
>
> José Francisco Azevedo
>
>- Born on 1 January 1826 - N.Grande,N.S.Neves
>- Died on 23 November 1889 - rs/Fredonda
>- Age at death: 63 years old
>
> Does anyone know what "rs/Fredonda" represents?
>
> Louie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[Cheri Mello]

Gayle, I know they have added some. I know the initial project didn't
really include them. Or maybe it's only some freguesias. I don't utilize
the database that much because I don't have family there. I use it to help
researchers here. So you would know more than I would. I remember in the
beginning they skipped over the "pai incognito" or "pais incognitos." So
you know more than me! So if they include them now, then I stand corrected.
Thanks!

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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:16 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Cheri,
>
> I hate to disagree with you as your track record is so good, but there are
> children without fathers listed. Maybe not all are listed. In fact, some
> are listed without either parent as in the case of expostos.
>
> At least, in the records for Pico where I did my research.
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Yes, that's CITCEM (formerly NEPS). It's housed at the University of
> Minho. It was a sociology study there at that university. They were
> compiling records of baptisms, marriages, and deaths. The left out children
> who had no fathers (I don't understand that as some of them grew up and
> were a part of society). A woman on this list was there doing research when
> this project was going on. She saw the students. Not only does the
> opportunity for human error come into play, she said that she observed some
> of them flirting and what not. So yes, lots of opportunities for errors.
>
> Without the cookie crumb trail of where you are finding this URL (it kinda
> looks like R.Seca on Sao Jorge), I'm not going to guess. Find the record on
> the CCA and I'll take a look at the record. But you need to do the legwork
> and find the record (I'm guessing you want the death?)
>
> Cheri
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:37 PM, LouieLouieOhOh  > wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>>
>> Here is the site ...
>>
>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=ribeiraseca
>> ang=pt=NG=Jose+Francisco+Azevedo=PN
>>
>> Louie
>>
>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> You mean CITCEM? (Old acronym - NEPS)
>>>
>>> Only freguesia on CITCEM for Sao Jorge island is Ribeira Seca. Not Norte
>>> Grande.
>>>
>>> There's lots of mistakes in CITCEM. You should check the original
>>> records. You don't say where this Jose Francisco Azevedo died or post any
>>> link.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, LouieLouieOhOh 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 While browsing the uminho.pt site, I came across this:

 José Francisco Azevedo

- Born on 1 January 1826 - N.Grande,N.S.Neves
- Died on 23 November 1889 - rs/Fredonda
- Age at death: 63 years old

 Does anyone know what "rs/Fredonda" represents?

 Louie

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Cheri,

I hate to disagree with you as your track record is so good, but there are 
children without fathers listed. Maybe not all are listed. In fact, some are 
listed without either parent as in the case of expostos. 

At least, in the records for Pico where I did my research. 

Gayle



> On Dec 17, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that's CITCEM (formerly NEPS). It's housed at the University of Minho. 
> It was a sociology study there at that university. They were compiling 
> records of baptisms, marriages, and deaths. The left out children who had no 
> fathers (I don't understand that as some of them grew up and were a part of 
> society). A woman on this list was there doing research when this project was 
> going on. She saw the students. Not only does the opportunity for human error 
> come into play, she said that she observed some of them flirting and what 
> not. So yes, lots of opportunities for errors.
> 
> Without the cookie crumb trail of where you are finding this URL (it kinda 
> looks like R.Seca on Sao Jorge), I'm not going to guess. Find the record on 
> the CCA and I'll take a look at the record. But you need to do the legwork 
> and find the record (I'm guessing you want the death?)
> 
> Cheri
> 
> 
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:37 PM, LouieLouieOhOh  
>> wrote:
>> Cheri,
>> 
>> Here is the site ...
>> 
>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=ribeiraseca=pt=NG=Jose+Francisco+Azevedo=PN
>> 
>> Louie
>> 
>>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>> You mean CITCEM? (Old acronym - NEPS)
>>> 
>>> Only freguesia on CITCEM for Sao Jorge island is Ribeira Seca. Not Norte 
>>> Grande. 
>>> 
>>> There's lots of mistakes in CITCEM. You should check the original records. 
>>> You don't say where this Jose Francisco Azevedo died or post any link.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
 On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, LouieLouieOhOh  
 wrote:
 While browsing the uminho.pt site, I came across this:
 
 José Francisco Azevedo
 
 Born on 1 January 1826 - N.Grande,N.S.Neves
 Died on 23 November 1889 - rs/Fredonda
 Age at death: 63 years old
 Does anyone know what "rs/Fredonda" represents?
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[LouieLouieOhOh]

Cheri,

Yes, I saw errors too ... lots of them ... that is beside my question 
because I am verifying each of my family members with baptism, marriage, 
death, etc. on the CCA site.

I was being specific about the term "rs/Redonda". Is that not a genealogy 
term? If not and you know someone here (that belongs to this group) who was 
involved with the research, might she know the term?

No big deal ... just wondering if Redonda is a ship and he might have died 
at sea?

Remember, I'm a geneology noobie ... and a 62 year old adult. :')

Louie

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 11:55:49 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Yes, that's CITCEM (formerly NEPS). It's housed at the University of 
> Minho. It was a sociology study there at that university. They were 
> compiling records of baptisms, marriages, and deaths. The left out children 
> who had no fathers (I don't understand that as some of them grew up and 
> were a part of society). A woman on this list was there doing research when 
> this project was going on. She saw the students. Not only does the 
> opportunity for human error come into play, she said that she observed some 
> of them flirting and what not. So yes, lots of opportunities for errors.
>
> Without the cookie crumb trail of where you are finding this URL (it kinda 
> looks like R.Seca on Sao Jorge), I'm not going to guess. Find the record on 
> the CCA and I'll take a look at the record. But you need to do the legwork 
> and find the record (I'm guessing you want the death?)
>
> Cheri
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:37 PM, LouieLouieOhOh  > wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>>
>> Here is the site ...
>>
>>
>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=ribeiraseca=pt=NG=Jose+Francisco+Azevedo=PN
>>
>> Louie
>>
>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> You mean CITCEM? (Old acronym - NEPS)
>>>
>>> Only freguesia on CITCEM for Sao Jorge island is Ribeira Seca. Not Norte 
>>> Grande. 
>>>
>>> There's lots of mistakes in CITCEM. You should check the original 
>>> records. You don't say where this Jose Francisco Azevedo died or post any 
>>> link.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, LouieLouieOhOh  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 While browsing the uminho.pt site, I came across this:

 José Francisco Azevedo

- Born on 1 January 1826 - N.Grande,N.S.Neves
- Died on 23 November 1889 - rs/Fredonda
- Age at death: 63 years old

 Does anyone know what "rs/Fredonda" represents?

 Louie

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[AZORES-Genealogy] 1836 Baptism in Ribeira Quente on Sao Miguel island (way too much vinho)

[Cheri Mello]

Baptism of Manuel on the left:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1821-1837_item1/P176.html

8th line from the signature on the bottom:
nasceu aos ioto??? or is that supposed to be dezeoito? Or just aos oito?

Next line: He was baptized in the house of Antonia de Jesus, married with
Francisco Furtado, of extreme necessity, in the hour of  I lose the
rest of the record. It doesn't follow the format and no godparents are
named.

Thanks in advance! Cheri
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