RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Diane George]

I use the same method Jeremy does—birth name is the main name, with alternative 
names in the AKA fields in my genealogy program. It shows all the names in the 
index so that you can search for any of the names and find the person. The 
software is Legacy, by the way.

Diane George

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Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

What I'm trying to get a feel for...do most people just basically put the names 
together, or do they actually use the alternate name thingy in the genealogy 
program? I'm asking because Gedcom has a the Name and then they have the 
Alternate name. I have an idea that most of us just use the main name and list 
things like John Dewey "Bud" Smith. Or we use the memo say the appeared as John 
D. Smith on the census. So that's what I'm asking here.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:23 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy 
> wrote:
In my genealogy program I have an AKA field too.  In almost all cases I use the 
primary name spelling for the way they were born.  Then I enter any alternates 
in the AKA.

i.e

Jose Machado Cardoso

AKA

Joe Machado Cardoza etcetera...


Jeremy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Corvo surnames: de Avelar (Avellar), Vallentine.

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Sarah,

We went to Flores in 2014 and used Silvio Medina for a full day tour on Flores. 
There were 8 of us, including 4 teens/children. He was very  good and I would 
recommend doing something like this. He knows everything about the island and 
speaks English very well. 

His company is Tours of Flores and there are reviews on Trip advisor but I just 
looked and some people mention a Marco. Maybe he has involved someone else in 
his business.

Sadly we could not go to Corvo as the weather was not good and the boats were 
not running on the day we had saved for this. 

Flores is beautiful and not as touched with the modern world as some of the 
other islands. Very quiet there. I hope you consider spending a little time 
on one of the other islands. Sao Miguel is quite spectacular. 

Here is the Flores guide:

https://toursofflores.com/contact/

You are in for a treat!

Susan Vargas Murphy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 19, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Sarah Avellar  wrote:
> 
> Researching husband's ancestors on Corvo with surnames: de Avelar (Avellar), 
> Vallentine. Both families came to CA in 1880 - 1901. Also planning a trip to 
> Flores and Corvo soon. Any suggestions? 
> I don't read Portuguese and I find the hand-written parish records too 
> difficult to decipher. I do have a Portuguese dictionary. Are there other 
> sources of birth, death, marriage information? Any English translations? 
> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Cheri Mello]

Here's the thing: The question is coming from I.T. at FTDNA. They are
developing new trees and using Gedcom format. He sent this about names:

*PERSONAL_NAME_STRUCTURE:* =

  n * NAME* http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PERSONAL>>
 {1:1}
+1 NPFX http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PIECE_PREFIX>>
 {0:1}
+1 GIVN http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PIECE_GIVEN>>
 {0:1}
+1 NICK http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PIECE_NICKNAME>>
 {0:1}
+1 SPFX http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PIECE_SURNAME_PREFIX>>
 {0:1}
+1 SURN http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PIECE_SURNAME>>
 {0:1}
+1 NSFX http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PIECE_SUFFIX>>
 {0:1}
+1 >>
 {0:M}
  +2 >>
 {0:M}
  +2 >>
 {0:M}
+1 >>
 {0:M}


The name value is formed in the manner the name is normally spoken, with
the given name and family name (surname) separated by slashes (/). (See <
NAME_PERSONAL
>.)
Based on the dynamic nature or unknown compositions of naming conventions,
it is difficult to provide more detailed name piece structure to handle
every case. The NPFX, GIVN, NICK, SPFX, SURN, and NSFX tags are provided
optionally for systems that cannot operate effectively with less structured
information. For current future compatibility, all systems must construct
their names based on the http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PERSONAL>>
structure. Those using the optional name pieces should assume that few
systems will process them, and most will not provide the name pieces.
Future GEDCOM releases (6.0 and later) will likely apply a very different
strategy to resolve this problem, possibly using a sophisticated parser and
a name-knowledge database.

And here's the  blurb:

*NAME_PERSONAL:* = {Size=1:120}
[
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#TEXT>>
|
/http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#TEXT>>/
|
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#TEXT>>
// |
/http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#TEXT>>/
 |
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#TEXT>>
// 
]
The surname of an individual, if known, is enclosed between two slash (/)
characters. The order of the name parts should be the order that the person
would, by custom of their culture, have used when giving it to a recorder.
Early versions of Personal Ancestral File *®* and other products did not
use the trailing slash when the surname was the last element of the name.
If part of name is illegible, that part is indicated by an ellipsis (...).
Capitalize the name of a person or place in the conventional
manner%capitalize the first letter of each part and lowercase the other
letters, unless conventional usage is otherwise. For example: McMurray.

* Examples* :
William Lee (given name only or surname not known)
/Parry/ (surname only)
William Lee /Parry/
William Lee /Mac Parry/ (both parts (Mac and Parry) are surname parts
William /Lee/ Parry (surname imbedded in the name string)
=
So the I.T. guy wants to know if researchers pretty much just put most of
the names in the name field vs using the AKA or Nickname or Alternate Name
field.

I didn't want to tell him what I do. He wants to know what researchers do
in general and they want to be sure they pull their heads out and include
other cultures besides America.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Kathy Cardoza]

Cheri

I use the name a person was born with. In my genealogy program, it uses AKA 
names and it has its own field to input it. You can also put quotes around a 
name that is frequently used. As an example, my grandmother was Carolyn Rose 
Goularte but she always went by Carrie. So, in Legacy (now up to version 9, 
Woohoo!), her name appear like this:  Carolyn Rose “Carrie” Goularte. If she 
had other spellings of her name, such as Carrie Gularte, I would put that in 
the AKA fields.

Unfortunately, not every genealogy app imports nickname or AKA fields properly 
via gedcom. Every program does it differently …. there is very little that is 
standardized between programs so there are no guarantees what you put in will 
show up in the same way when imported into a different program.

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> On Apr 19, 2017, at 7:35 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> What I'm trying to get a feel for...do most people just basically put the 
> names together, or do they actually use the alternate name thingy in the 
> genealogy program? I'm asking because Gedcom has a the Name and then they 
> have the Alternate name. I have an idea that most of us just use the main 
> name and list things like John Dewey "Bud" Smith. Or we use the memo say the 
> appeared as John D. Smith on the census. So that's what I'm asking here.  
> Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:23 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy 
> > wrote:
> In my genealogy program I have an AKA field too.  In almost all cases I use 
> the primary name spelling for the way they were born.  Then I enter any 
> alternates in the AKA.
> 
> i.e
> 
> Jose Machado Cardoso
> 
> AKA
> 
> Joe Machado Cardoza etcetera...
>  
> 
> Jeremy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Corvo surnames: de Avelar (Avellar), Vallentine.

[Cheri Mello]

Sarah A,

No, since the records are coming from a Portuguese region, they will be in
Portuguese. There's a book of the Flores and Corvo marriage, but it's in
Portuguese. If you don't want to learn how to "read" the records, you could
hire a researcher. There's a list on the Azores GenWeb here:
https://goo.gl/Xzol8B  Scroll down to where it says Researcher for Hire.
Good luck, Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Sarah Avellar  wrote:

> Researching husband's ancestors on Corvo with surnames: de Avelar
> (Avellar), Vallentine. Both families came to CA in 1880 - 1901. Also
> planning a trip to Flores and Corvo soon. Any suggestions?
> I don't read Portuguese and I find the hand-written parish records too
> difficult to decipher. I do have a Portuguese dictionary. Are there other
> sources of birth, death, marriage information? Any English translations?
> Thanks!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Corvo surnames: de Avelar (Avellar), Vallentine.

[Sarah Avellar]

Researching husband's ancestors on Corvo with surnames: de Avelar 
(Avellar), Vallentine. Both families came to CA in 1880 - 1901. Also 
planning a trip to Flores and Corvo soon. Any suggestions? 
I don't read Portuguese and I find the hand-written parish records too 
difficult to decipher. I do have a Portuguese dictionary. Are there other 
sources of birth, death, marriage information? Any English translations? 
Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Cheri Mello]

What I'm trying to get a feel for...do most people just basically put the
names together, or do they actually use the alternate name thingy in the
genealogy program? I'm asking because Gedcom has a the Name and then they
have the Alternate name. I have an idea that most of us just use the main
name and list things like John Dewey "Bud" Smith. Or we use the memo say
the appeared as John D. Smith on the census. So that's what I'm asking
here.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:23 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In my genealogy program I have an AKA field too.  In almost all cases I
> use the primary name spelling for the way they were born.  Then I enter any
> alternates in the AKA.
>
> i.e
>
> Jose Machado Cardoso
>
> AKA
>
> Joe Machado Cardoza etcetera...
>
>
> Jeremy
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

['Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

In my genealogy program I have an AKA field too.  In almost all cases I use the 
primary name spelling for the way they were born.  Then I enter any alternates 
in the AKA.
i.e
Jose Machado Cardoso
AKA
Joe Machado Cardoza etcetera... 
Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Cheri Mello]

Marilyn, can you tell me how you would enter a Joao da Silva who goes by
John or a George Dewey Smith who goes by Dewey?
On Apr 19, 2017 2:53 PM, "Marilyn Thompson"  wrote:

> I enter their full name with an AKA nickname in all cases.
>
> I can see the problem with Portuguese names as to how to handle the "da".
> Should it be included as part of the surname or what?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 1:21 PM, 'abbykats' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Cher,
>> I have done both 1 and 2 in case 1, but have also added in the notes the
>> information.  I myself would do the same for those who were immigrants and
>> non-immigrants.
>>
>> Barb
>>
>> *Jafra Consultant and*
>> *Member of the Azores-Gen Project*
>> *Researching:  Graciosa, Azores, Portugal*
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 12:17 PM, Cheri Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> When entering a name into your genealogy program, how do you deal with
>> multiple names?
>>
>> Case 1 (immigrant)
>> Say your ancestor is Joao da Silva, but the vast majority of records in
>> America call him John and your family called him John. What do you enter
>> into your genealogy program?
>>
>> 1) Joao da Silva
>> 2) Joao "John" da Silva
>> 3) Joao da Silva and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him in
>> the Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
>> 4) Other
>>
>> Case 2 (non-immigrant)
>> What do you do for non-immigrant names? Say the ancestor was John Dewey
>> Smith but he went by Dewey his whole life?
>> 1) John Dewey Smith
>> 2) John Dewey "Dewey" Smith
>> 3) John Dewey Smith and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him
>> in the Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
>> 4) Other
>>
>> Family Tree DNA is revising the trees according to Gedcom standard, but
>> they were curious as to what people do in practice.
>> Thanks, Cheri
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dealing with multiple names

[Elaine Mello]

I do 1 or 2 myself.  I do like the idea of writing variations in the notes 
area as well, especially since there are multiple variations of spellings 
at different times, too.

Elaine 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Marilyn Thompson]

I enter their full name with an AKA nickname in all cases.

I can see the problem with Portuguese names as to how to handle the "da".
Should it be included as part of the surname or what?


On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 1:21 PM, 'abbykats' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Cher,
> I have done both 1 and 2 in case 1, but have also added in the notes the
> information.  I myself would do the same for those who were immigrants and
> non-immigrants.
>
> Barb
>
> *Jafra Consultant and*
> *Member of the Azores-Gen Project*
> *Researching:  Graciosa, Azores, Portugal*
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 12:17 PM, Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
>
>
> When entering a name into your genealogy program, how do you deal with
> multiple names?
>
> Case 1 (immigrant)
> Say your ancestor is Joao da Silva, but the vast majority of records in
> America call him John and your family called him John. What do you enter
> into your genealogy program?
>
> 1) Joao da Silva
> 2) Joao "John" da Silva
> 3) Joao da Silva and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him in
> the Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
> 4) Other
>
> Case 2 (non-immigrant)
> What do you do for non-immigrant names? Say the ancestor was John Dewey
> Smith but he went by Dewey his whole life?
> 1) John Dewey Smith
> 2) John Dewey "Dewey" Smith
> 3) John Dewey Smith and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him in
> the Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
> 4) Other
>
> Family Tree DNA is revising the trees according to Gedcom standard, but
> they were curious as to what people do in practice.
> Thanks, Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Leopoldina Botelho - Sao Miguel - question

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Melissa,

I know this family. They are from the parish of Sao Jose in Ponta Delgada.
They were born in Santa Clara of which Ramalho is part of.

Here's Leopoldina's birth record.# 126
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1900-1905_item1/P151.html

Emilia's, record # 152
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1895-1899/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1895-1899_item1/P440.html

Their Parents marriage # 21:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1880-1889/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1880-1889_item1/P196.html

Cheers,

Margaret

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Melissa  wrote:

> Hello:
>
> New to the group and looking for pointers/assistance.
>
> I found my great grandmother's ship record, I am pretty sure, and marriage
> certificate to my great grandfather see: https://drive.google.com/open?id=
> 0B2rvkERU6SXMbHpaYzJDUHNmaUU and https://drive.google.com/open?id=
> 0B2rvkERU6SXMYWhSMjdVMjRhTjA
>
> I found this site http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/
> Default.aspx and was going to try to find her baptismal/birth certificate
> and records further back. It looks to me like the ship record says she was
> Ramalho on Sao Miguel. Googling makes me think this was part of/near Ponta
> Delgada but it isn't available as a choice in the drop down menus.
>
> Any assistance appreciated.
>
> Melissa
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEW Norte Pequeno Marriages

[Cheri Mello]

I find that many freguesias were catalogued the best that they could be and
yes, a few records exist outside of the catalogued range. Achada where I
research has earlier records than what is posted. They are very fragmented
and are quite difficult to work with.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:49 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Hello,
>
> An interesting discover for you Norte Pequeno researchers:
>
> The CCA, Tombo, and LDS all show that the earliest existing Norte Pequeno
> marriage book begins in 1780.  However, some friends and I have discovered
> that in fact there are some that survive from the early 1770's-1779 in
> existance. The records are horrible, but do exist.
>
> ,
>
> Jeremy
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[AZORES-Genealogy] NEW Norte Pequeno Marriages

['Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

Hello,

An interesting discover for you Norte Pequeno researchers:

The CCA, Tombo, and LDS all show that the earliest existing Norte Pequeno 
marriage book begins in 1780.  However, some friends and I have discovered 
that in fact there are some that survive from the early 1770's-1779 in 
existance. The records are horrible, but do exist.

,

Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

['abbykats' via Azores Genealogy]

Cher,I have done both 1 and 2 in case 1, but have also added in the notes the 
information.  I myself would do the same for those who were immigrants and 
non-immigrants. 
Barb

Jafra Consultant andMember of the Azores-Gen ProjectResearching:  Graciosa, 
Azores, Portugal 

On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 12:17 PM, Cheri Mello  
wrote:
 

 When entering a name into your genealogy program, how do you deal with 
multiple names?

Case 1 (immigrant)
Say your ancestor is Joao da Silva, but the vast majority of records in America 
call him John and your family called him John. What do you enter into your 
genealogy program?

1) Joao da Silva
2) Joao "John" da Silva
3) Joao da Silva and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him in the 
Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
4) Other

Case 2 (non-immigrant)
What do you do for non-immigrant names? Say the ancestor was John Dewey Smith 
but he went by Dewey his whole life?
1) John Dewey Smith
2) John Dewey "Dewey" Smith
3) John Dewey Smith and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him in the 
Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
4) Other

Family Tree DNA is revising the trees according to Gedcom standard, but they 
were curious as to what people do in practice.  
Thanks, Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Leopoldina Botelho - Sao Miguel - question

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Melissa, since you are a 'newbie' to Azorean genealogy, you may want to go
the the AzoresGenWeb site for hints on how to do/read records. You need to
download the Portuguese Genealogical Word List and also the Portuguese
Paleography in order to help in your reading of the records. Just Google
the site and it will come up. It is hosted by Kathy Cardoza and it has
many, many helpful hints. The main one that you want is the map of Sao
Miguel and the list that comes along with it that has the Village names and
church names.


Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Melissa  wrote:

> Hello:
>
> New to the group and looking for pointers/assistance.
>
> I found my great grandmother's ship record, I am pretty sure, and marriage
> certificate to my great grandfather see: https://drive.google.com/open?id=
> 0B2rvkERU6SXMbHpaYzJDUHNmaUU and https://drive.google.com/open?id=
> 0B2rvkERU6SXMYWhSMjdVMjRhTjA
>
> I found this site http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/
> Default.aspx and was going to try to find her baptismal/birth certificate
> and records further back. It looks to me like the ship record says she was
> Ramalho on Sao Miguel. Googling makes me think this was part of/near Ponta
> Delgada but it isn't available as a choice in the drop down menus.
>
> Any assistance appreciated.
>
> Melissa
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Cheri Mello]

When entering a name into your genealogy program, how do you deal with
multiple names?

Case 1 (immigrant)
Say your ancestor is Joao da Silva, but the vast majority of records in
America call him John and your family called him John. What do you enter
into your genealogy program?

1) Joao da Silva
2) Joao "John" da Silva
3) Joao da Silva and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him in the
Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
4) Other

Case 2 (non-immigrant)
What do you do for non-immigrant names? Say the ancestor was John Dewey
Smith but he went by Dewey his whole life?
1) John Dewey Smith
2) John Dewey "Dewey" Smith
3) John Dewey Smith and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him in
the Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
4) Other

Family Tree DNA is revising the trees according to Gedcom standard, but
they were curious as to what people do in practice.
Thanks, Cheri

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[AZORES-Genealogy] How long is Azores passport good for

["E" Sharp]

If you left the Azores on a passport issued in 1920 were in the U. S. for a
few years and returned to the Azores and then returned again to the U.
Swould you have to get a new passport to come back to the U. S. or how
long was an Azorean passport good for?

"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Leopoldina Botelho - Sao Miguel - question

[Cheri Mello]

I can't read the typed one. Way too small.  Please just use the names when
referring to your ancestors. I'm certain no one on it is labeled
"great-grandpa" or "great-grandma" on the records! LOL

I believe Ramalho is a neighborhood in Ponta Delgada. People who research
there will be able to tell you. You can also check the outbound
"Passaportes" for them LEAVING the Azores. That should tell you the
freguesia and church as well. I'd check the whole month of October. If they
don't turn up there, then check September. http://tombo.pt/en/d/acores
Good luck, Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Melissa  wrote:

> Hello:
>
> New to the group and looking for pointers/assistance.
>
> I found my great grandmother's ship record, I am pretty sure, and marriage
> certificate to my great grandfather see: https://drive.google.com/open?id=
> 0B2rvkERU6SXMbHpaYzJDUHNmaUU and https://drive.google.com/open?id=
> 0B2rvkERU6SXMYWhSMjdVMjRhTjA
>
> I found this site http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/
> Default.aspx and was going to try to find her baptismal/birth certificate
> and records further back. It looks to me like the ship record says she was
> Ramalho on Sao Miguel. Googling makes me think this was part of/near Ponta
> Delgada but it isn't available as a choice in the drop down menus.
>
> Any assistance appreciated.
>
> Melissa
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Leopoldina Botelho - Sao Miguel - question

[Melissa]

Hello:

New to the group and looking for pointers/assistance. 

I found my great grandmother's ship record, I am pretty sure, and marriage 
certificate to my great grandfather 
see: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rvkERU6SXMbHpaYzJDUHNmaUU 
and https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rvkERU6SXMYWhSMjdVMjRhTjA

I found this 
site http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx and was 
going to try to find her baptismal/birth certificate and records further 
back. It looks to me like the ship record says she was Ramalho on Sao 
Miguel. Googling makes me think this was part of/near Ponta Delgada but it 
isn't available as a choice in the drop down menus. 

Any assistance appreciated.

Melissa 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is it a girl or a boy!!

[bsei2816]

I agree that it is a boy. 

I just thought I would re-post the baptismal record of one of my 
grandfather's sisters just for fun since it fits in with the heading of 
this thread.  The record identified her as a male named Francisco until the 
name and gender were changed via a margin note more than 40 years after the 
fact. Francisco, n.9 left side.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911_item1/P5.html

Francisca did get a passaporte in 1920 and immigrated to Manteca, CA where 
she married.  She moved back Terceira in the 1930s with her husband and 
child(ren).

Do you suppose her baptismal record served as identification for her 1920 
passaporte in Angra or her 1921 marriage in Manteca?

Bill Seidler

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