Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Garcia, Alvernaz, Caetano, Sequeira, in Santa Clara and San Jose Co, California, no dates

[Cheri Mello]

Consorte is a synonym for a spouse, you could say.

The explanation for the layout is above the links. In case you overlooked
it:

*The records are set up in this way:*  All these records are for the
membership, which is for men only. Each page of the record book has two
images.  The first image is a listing of the men that can include their
name, membership number, age, date of admittance, marital status,
occupation, current residence, and where they were from.  The following
image (page) is the second part of the record and that lists the
beneficiary. Usually that is the wife, but can be mother or father or even
children.



Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:

> Gordon--
>
> Someplace I think there is an explanation about the layout of pages. In
> this case I think when the book was laid out open the men's names were on
> the left page and beneficiaries on the right page. But they were captured
> in two photos, so you have to make sure you are reading the corresponding
> lines.
>
> I also noticed the term "consorte" and may have even asked about it but
> (hanging head in shame) now don't remember exactly the difference from
> esposa. A civil marriage perhaps?
>
> It is really interesting going though the different councils, even when
> you don't think they apply to your family. I was looking for someone else
> in Los Banos and found an entry for someone who is listed as a boarder on
> the U.S. Census with one of my relatives in another county because that's
> where their beneficiary lived.
>
> Mary Bordi
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 12:08 PM Gordon soares  wrote:
>
>> Mary:
>>
>> Thanks so much for the UPEC address.  Can you tell me a few things about
>> the lists? I take it that one list contains the names of the men enrolled
>> and the second list the names of the women who are to receive some kind of
>> benefit after husbands death?  Also, when looking at the wive’s list I see
>> “consort” under “porques Direito” ? Is Consort another name for married
>> (Casado)?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Gordon
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:28 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
>>
>> I happened to run into a Manuel Silva Sequeira in Mission San Jose in the
>> UPEC records when I was looking for someone else. It says he was from Sao
>> Jorge. His wife was Maria. I don't know if this is the same one but I
>> thought I'd share.
>>
>> If anyone is interested go here and download the Mission San Jose PDF:
>>
>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/
>> fraternal-societies/upec-records.html
>>
>> I'm not putting the direct link because it's 44 pages and took a long
>> time to load for me.. Manuel appears for the first time on page 3.
>>
>> It caught my eye because of my Sequeira ancestors but I'm not sure
>> there's a connection.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 8:54 PM Rose Zbyzenski 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Manuel Sequiera was the man who fostered my Great Grandmother Harvey
>>> {Alvernas, Caton} in the early 1900s. he lived in Mission San Jose. i have
>>> not researched him because he was not a blood relative. i can also tell you
>>> he was on the original charter of the I.D.E.S., Irmandade do Divino
>>> Espirito Santo, and signed the permission slip for my Great grandmother so
>>> she could be married, in January 1904. Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:09 PM, bigal429 via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 I noticed Sequeira in your genealogy. Where is your Sequeira from?

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 6, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Rose Zbyzenski 
 wrote:

 Thank you for your help.Not sure what I am doing , yet I will give it a
 try.

 On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:54:29 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Repost for rose.zbyzenski at gmail.com
>
> NOTE: Rose Z: Posts are closed after 30 days. You are responding to
> postings from 5 years ago. It's best just to start a new thread/post after
> 30 days. Since you sent so many messages in a piecemeal style, in a short
> amount of time, the system thinks you are a spammer. So I just copied and
> pasted them together which makes no sense. I suggest you save
> azo...@googlegroups.com in your address book. Then start a new email.
> Address it to azo...@googlegroups.com. In the subject line, I'd list
> the ancestors last name(s), state or Azores island where they lived, and a
> year or span. Then in the body I'd go into more detail. Maybe someone will
> remember these posts from 5 years ago. We have list members who have 
> passed
> on as well, so you may be answering someone who is not on the list 
> anymore.
>
> Rose Z's posts:
>
> been 5 years away from site. Just read your post, yes, Warm Springs
> was a district of Washington township. I believe Milpitas was considered
> S

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The Power of the Azores Genealogy Google Group and DNA

[Terri Santos]

Hi Pat,
I believe my cousin has been in touch with you already as she is starting 
her research on her dads side.  I have been trying to help her as well.
I saw this post and perhaps you have already found much more by now.  
You said in this message that you didn't have much info on the Rosa's .   I 
found from Jose Francisco's first marriage to Maria Felicia do Coracao de 
Jesus
Rosa born 20 July 1860 in Feteira, Horta, Faial Isl. and she was baptized 
on 29 July 1860

from Jose's second marriage to Virginia Emilia was
Rosalinda born 11 July 1874 in Feteira, Horta, Faial Isl and she was 
baptized on 23 July 1874

Sorry if this is old news
Terri Santos


On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 7:39:21 PM UTC-5, DBM wrote:
>
> Hi Rico,
>
> I am Deb McCabe, the Deb that my prima Pat mentioned in the post you 
> referenced.  I wanted to reach out to see if we can figure out if we are 
> related.
>
> I have two possible connections in my tree.  Either could be the Rosa 
> Silvia Martins (aka Rosa Silveira Martins and Rosa Margarida Martins) you 
> mentioned as the mother of your  Rosa (born 1898 and married to Rufino 
> Silveira de Faria). 
>
> The* first Rosa Silvia Martins possibility* is:
> Rosa
> Born in Feteira, Faial in 1860.
> Daughter of Jose Francisco Martins and his first wife,  Maria Felicia do 
> Coracao de Jesus.  Jose is my paternal great grandfather.
>
> The *second Rosa Silvia Martins possibility* is:
> Rosalinda
> Born in Feteira, Faial in 1874.
> Daughter of Jose Francisco Martins and his second wife, Virginia Emilia.  
> Jose Francisco and Virginia Emilia are my  paternal grandparents.
>
> Unfortunately,  I don't have any info on either of these women.  
> Nevertheless, I wanted to reach out in case, as you were looking through 
> the records, you saw any of these names. 
>
>  Also, if you know any other names of relatives in the Azores or who came 
> to the U.S., perhaps we can figure out if there is a connection by starting 
> with them.  Also, Pat and I both have had our DNA tested.  If you take the 
> FTDNA test, we will know for sure.
>
> Please do keep me posted.  Best of luck!
>
> Deb
>
>
> *When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!*
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017, 2:18:34 PM PST, Rico Garcia <
> ricog...@gmail.com > wrote: 
>
>
> I just stumbled upon this post, as I am new to the group. I have Martins 
> from Feteira, Faial in my family as well, and I am not finding much more on 
> that part of the family. Rosa Silvina Martins (b 1898 - ?, married to 
> Rufino Silveira de Faria), and her mother Rosa Silvia Martins (AKA Rosa 
> Silveira Martins, and Rosa Margarida Martins). I am curious if these names 
> are familiar to you. Thank you for your time.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 at 8:25:36 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Repost for Pat Girard, quilterpat705 at sbcglobal.net
>
> Hi Cheri,
>
> I had to share this with you! Four years ago I saw a post on the Azores 
> Google Group asking if anyone had Martins from Feteira Faial in their 
> tree.  I was so excited because I did and it had been a dead end. I 
> contacted Deb McCabe and we compared notes. We were convinced that we 
> probably were 3rd cousins. Fast forward to FTDNA. Yes, we are 3rd cousins! 
> We are meeting in person for the first time in 2 weeks. I'm so excited 
> because she is the first living relative I have found on my father's side. 
> Previously the only paternal relatives I have ever known were my father, my 
> grandfather (who died when I was 5) and my aunt who was childless.
>
> Thank you Cheri, I couldn't have done this without you. You are forever in 
> my debt. Can't wait till the conference!
>
> Pat Girard
>
> PS, If you wish to post this to the group please do.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Garcia, Alvernaz, Caetano, Sequeira, in Santa Clara and San Jose Co, California, no dates

[Mary Bordi]

Gordon--

Someplace I think there is an explanation about the layout of pages. In
this case I think when the book was laid out open the men's names were on
the left page and beneficiaries on the right page. But they were captured
in two photos, so you have to make sure you are reading the corresponding
lines.

I also noticed the term "consorte" and may have even asked about it but
(hanging head in shame) now don't remember exactly the difference from
esposa. A civil marriage perhaps?

It is really interesting going though the different councils, even when you
don't think they apply to your family. I was looking for someone else in
Los Banos and found an entry for someone who is listed as a boarder on the
U.S. Census with one of my relatives in another county because that's where
their beneficiary lived.

Mary Bordi

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 12:08 PM Gordon soares  wrote:

> Mary:
>
> Thanks so much for the UPEC address.  Can you tell me a few things about
> the lists? I take it that one list contains the names of the men enrolled
> and the second list the names of the women who are to receive some kind of
> benefit after husbands death?  Also, when looking at the wive’s list I see
> “consort” under “porques Direito” ? Is Consort another name for married
> (Casado)?
>
> Thanks
> Gordon
>
> On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:28 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
>
> I happened to run into a Manuel Silva Sequeira in Mission San Jose in the
> UPEC records when I was looking for someone else. It says he was from Sao
> Jorge. His wife was Maria. I don't know if this is the same one but I
> thought I'd share.
>
> If anyone is interested go here and download the Mission San Jose PDF:
>
>
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/fraternal-societies/upec-records.html
>
> I'm not putting the direct link because it's 44 pages and took a long time
> to load for me.. Manuel appears for the first time on page 3.
>
> It caught my eye because of my Sequeira ancestors but I'm not sure there's
> a connection.
>
> Mary
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 8:54 PM Rose Zbyzenski 
> wrote:
>
>> Manuel Sequiera was the man who fostered my Great Grandmother Harvey
>> {Alvernas, Caton} in the early 1900s. he lived in Mission San Jose. i have
>> not researched him because he was not a blood relative. i can also tell you
>> he was on the original charter of the I.D.E.S., Irmandade do Divino
>> Espirito Santo, and signed the permission slip for my Great grandmother so
>> she could be married, in January 1904. Hope this helps.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:09 PM, bigal429 via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed Sequeira in your genealogy. Where is your Sequeira from?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Rose Zbyzenski 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for your help.Not sure what I am doing , yet I will give it a
>>> try.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:54:29 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Repost for rose.zbyzenski at gmail.com

 NOTE: Rose Z: Posts are closed after 30 days. You are responding to
 postings from 5 years ago. It's best just to start a new thread/post after
 30 days. Since you sent so many messages in a piecemeal style, in a short
 amount of time, the system thinks you are a spammer. So I just copied and
 pasted them together which makes no sense. I suggest you save
 azo...@googlegroups.com in your address book. Then start a new email.
 Address it to azo...@googlegroups.com. In the subject line, I'd list
 the ancestors last name(s), state or Azores island where they lived, and a
 year or span. Then in the body I'd go into more detail. Maybe someone will
 remember these posts from 5 years ago. We have list members who have passed
 on as well, so you may be answering someone who is not on the list anymore.

 Rose Z's posts:

 been 5 years away from site. Just read your post, yes, Warm Springs was
 a district of Washington township. I believe Milpitas was considered Santa
 Clara County.

 Susan, I have been away from this site for a about 5 yrs. Yes, most of
 this is familiar to me, I am connected to most of what you have written.

 Been away fro this site for 5years. Thank you, for your info. Yes, my
 grandmother's name is Helen Evelyn {Alvernas, spelling?} Harvey Garcia. It
 appears that somewhere around the early 1900s name changed from Alvernas to
 Harvey. I really appreciate your help[.

 Lynn, just started researching again after 5 years. Many changes in my
 life. Yes, i think the Manuel Caton the 3rd name could be by Great
 grandma's grandfather, because of the dates. He seems to have a son named
 Manuel. I think this is her father, Manuel, eventually living around
 Ashland. And he and his wife passing from possibly TB within weeks of each
 other. then the children were given out to relatives or friends. My great
 grandma landed in Mi

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Garcia, Alvernaz, Caetano, Sequeira, in Santa Clara and San Jose Co, California, no dates

[Gordon soares]

Mary:

Thanks so much for the UPEC address.  Can you tell me a few things about the 
lists? I take it that one list contains the names of the men enrolled and the 
second list the names of the women who are to receive some kind of benefit 
after husbands death?  Also, when looking at the wive’s list I see “consort” 
under “porques Direito” ? Is Consort another name for married (Casado)?

Thanks
Gordon

> On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:28 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
> 
> I happened to run into a Manuel Silva Sequeira in Mission San Jose in the 
> UPEC records when I was looking for someone else. It says he was from Sao 
> Jorge. His wife was Maria. I don't know if this is the same one but I thought 
> I'd share. 
> 
> If anyone is interested go here and download the Mission San Jose PDF:
> 
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/fraternal-societies/upec-records.html
>  
> 
> 
> I'm not putting the direct link because it's 44 pages and took a long time to 
> load for me.. Manuel appears for the first time on page 3.
> 
> It caught my eye because of my Sequeira ancestors but I'm not sure there's a 
> connection. 
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 8:54 PM Rose Zbyzenski  > wrote:
> Manuel Sequiera was the man who fostered my Great Grandmother Harvey 
> {Alvernas, Caton} in the early 1900s. he lived in Mission San Jose. i have 
> not researched him because he was not a blood relative. i can also tell you 
> he was on the original charter of the I.D.E.S., Irmandade do Divino Espirito 
> Santo, and signed the permission slip for my Great grandmother so she could 
> be married, in January 1904. Hope this helps.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:09 PM, bigal429 via Azores Genealogy 
> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
> I noticed Sequeira in your genealogy. Where is your Sequeira from?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Mar 6, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Rose Zbyzenski  > wrote:
> 
>> Thank you for your help.Not sure what I am doing , yet I will give it a try.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:54:29 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Repost for rose.zbyzenski at gmail.com 
>> 
>> NOTE: Rose Z: Posts are closed after 30 days. You are responding to postings 
>> from 5 years ago. It's best just to start a new thread/post after 30 days. 
>> Since you sent so many messages in a piecemeal style, in a short amount of 
>> time, the system thinks you are a spammer. So I just copied and pasted them 
>> together which makes no sense. I suggest you save azo...@googlegroups.com <> 
>> in your address book. Then start a new email. Address it to 
>> azo...@googlegroups.com <>. In the subject line, I'd list the ancestors last 
>> name(s), state or Azores island where they lived, and a year or span. Then 
>> in the body I'd go into more detail. Maybe someone will remember these posts 
>> from 5 years ago. We have list members who have passed on as well, so you 
>> may be answering someone who is not on the list anymore.
>> 
>> Rose Z's posts:
>> 
>> been 5 years away from site. Just read your post, yes, Warm Springs was a 
>> district of Washington township. I believe Milpitas was considered Santa 
>> Clara County. 
>> 
>> Susan, I have been away from this site for a about 5 yrs. Yes, most of this 
>> is familiar to me, I am connected to most of what you have written. 
>> 
>> Been away fro this site for 5years. Thank you, for your info. Yes, my 
>> grandmother's name is Helen Evelyn {Alvernas, spelling?} Harvey Garcia. It 
>> appears that somewhere around the early 1900s name changed from Alvernas to 
>> Harvey. I really appreciate your help[. 
>> 
>> Lynn, just started researching again after 5 years. Many changes in my life. 
>> Yes, i think the Manuel Caton the 3rd name could be by Great grandma's 
>> grandfather, because of the dates. He seems to have a son named Manuel. I 
>> think this is her father, Manuel, eventually living around Ashland. And he 
>> and his wife passing from possibly TB within weeks of each other. then the 
>> children were given out to relatives or friends. My great grandma landed in 
>> Mission San Jose. And married a few years later to another Manuel. Alvernaz, 
>> changing name to Harvey. Also, I believe the man who fostered her was Manuel 
>> Sequiera of Mission. thank you so much for your help. 
>> 
>> Elaine, This is Rose Zbyzenski. I have not been on this site for about 5 
>> years.Very shortly after I wrote the first post I was contacted by my cousin 
>> who lived near my parents, and alerted me to a problem with my parents. My 
>> mother past, shortly ,thereafter, I took on all of their affairs, including 
>> my Dad who was in dementia. Then my oldest son passed, along with other 
>> passings. My ex husband past last year. So after , all these events and 
>> being the executor to their wills.I am trying yo find my way back