Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

[1halfazorean]

Yes, Eric
Still trying to comprehend how Manuel de Fraga and Maria Pimentel’s one and 
only child was named Antonio Fraga Noia?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[Cheri Mello]

Joy,
That's a typed transcription from 1981. Do you have the original? It's
probably handwritten in the book you mentioned. Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Peter O'Shea 
wrote:

> Hi Cheri, here’s the scan of the document.
>
>
>
> Joy
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
> *Sent:* Sunday, 6 May 2018 4:14 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta
> Delgada (no island specified)
>
>
>
> Hi Joy,
>
>
>
> The title of the book explains a lot. "Registration Book MUNICIPALITY of
> Ponta Delgada, Azores, Portugal." That would have to be Sao Miguel island.
> The other Ponta Delgada on Flores island is not a "municipality" (concelho)
> but a freguesia (village) in the concelho of Santa Cruz. It would still be
> nice to see a scan of this, just for curiosity sake.
>
>
>
> On the island of Sao Miguel, there are 6 Registo Civil (Civil Registry) -
> what you could call a town hall. They have records there from about 1915 to
> the present. They are not a research facility though. You are in a time
> period though that you don't need the Civil Registry. The older records are
> over at the Arquivo e Biblioteca. It's located on the top floor. They will
> sit you down and put you on the computer to view the records which you can
> do right now. Tombo.pt/en  Stay in the left column and click on Azores,
> then Sao Miguel, then Ponta Delgada, then Rosto de Cao. I think someone
> said you wanted the Sao Roque church. So pick that record set.
>
>
>
> How to read the records is here: https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i
>
>
>
> You can go to the church in Sao Roque and see it. And you can wander the
> streets. The chance of finding tombstones are slim to none. After 7 years,
> the graves are reused and the bones places in a ossuary. Some older
> tombstones and markers exist. Families pay a fee every year to keep family
> interred. It's very doubtful to find a family paying for the interment of
> family from 200 years ago.
>
>
>
> You can try www.practiceportuguese.com to learn some language. There are
> others out there too. This one is reasonable and you can sign up for a few
> months.
>
> Enjoy your trip! Cheri Mello
>
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Confirmation list Lajes Terciera 1635

[Cheri Mello]

Looks like Sacrament of Confirmation. Someone will better eyes and more
fluency will have to confirm.



Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Shirley Allegre 
wrote:

> It looks like BAPTISMS in Lajes.
> It says "Lajes, Baptismos".
> Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Sandra Valine Dauer 
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2018 6:37 PM
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Confirmation list Lajes Terciera 1635
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> PV-LAJES-B-1610-1638/TER-PV-LAJES-B-1610-1638_item1/P70.html
> I think this maybe a list of the Sacrament of Confirmation listing child,
> parent, Godparent?  Thoughts.  Sandra Valine Dauer
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Joy,


The title of the book explains a lot. "Registration Book MUNICIPALITY of
Ponta Delgada, Azores, Portugal." That would have to be Sao Miguel island.
The other Ponta Delgada on Flores island is not a "municipality" (concelho)
but a freguesia (village) in the concelho of Santa Cruz. It would still be
nice to see a scan of this, just for curiosity sake.



On the island of Sao Miguel, there are 6 Registo Civil (Civil Registry) -
what you could call a town hall. They have records there from about 1915 to
the present. They are not a research facility though. You are in a time
period though that you don't need the Civil Registry. The older records are
over at the Arquivo e Biblioteca. It's located on the top floor. They will
sit you down and put you on the computer to view the records which you can
do right now. Tombo.pt/en  Stay in the left column and click on Azores,
then Sao Miguel, then Ponta Delgada, then Rosto de Cao. I think someone
said you wanted the Sao Roque church. So pick that record set.


How to read the records is here: https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i


You can go to the church in Sao Roque and see it. And you can wander the
streets. The chance of finding tombstones are slim to none. After 7 years,
the graves are reused and the bones places in a ossuary. Some older
tombstones and markers exist. Families pay a fee every year to keep family
interred. It's very doubtful to find a family paying for the interment of
family from 200 years ago.


You can try www.practiceportuguese.com to learn some language. There are
others out there too. This one is reasonable and you can sign up for a few
months.

Enjoy your trip! Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[Peter O'Shea]

Cheri

The Register of Birth is the translated document from the department of Ethnic 
Affairs Commission in Australia.  The registration is Paragraph 141 of 
registration book Municipality of Porta Delgada Azores Portugal.

I will be travelling to Lisboa then on to Ponta Delgada Sao Miguel Azores in 
September.  I would assume there is a town hall, church or similar where I can 
find information to visit areas of the district he lived, grave stones of 
parents etc.

Unfortunately I have no Portuguese language but may have a source who can 
assist with some translation.

Many thanks for the update.

Joy

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, 5 May 2018 1:56 AM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no 
island specified)

Joy,
I don't know what you mean by the register at birth. The Azores uses baptismal 
records. There are a few nascimentos for non-Catholics. Those are online too. 
Maybe you should provide a link to this document that you speak of so we can 
see what you are talking about, as you are not giving us all the information.
Yes, your researcher translated it wrong. There's no such place as Lagoas 
anywhere in the Azores.
When you get "there?" There as in where? The Azores? I don't know what island 
you are going to. That question was never answered, so I can't provide any type 
of advice.
Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 12:44 AM, Peter O'Shea 
> wrote:
Thanks again Cheri.  I don’t have any baptism details at this stage.  As for 
Lagoas that was what was on the Register of Birth.  Maybe the person 
translating this register misspelt it.   Do you have any sites I can visit, or 
places to visit when I get there for such information?  Being such a “common” 
name it may  prove difficult?
I know he came to Australia in 1869 after “voyaging in the southern waters on a 
whaling ship. However at this stage I’m more interested in the Azores area to 
look for his family there etc.

I’ll search further over the weekend.

Joy

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[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, 4 May 2018 1:38 AM
To: Azores Genealogy >
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no 
island specified)

Hi Joy,
Glad you found something. What was your island for the baptism of your Joao? 
The district archive of Angra covers all 9 of the Azores islands.
Also, there's no place called "Lagoas" on Pico. There's no place called 
"Lagoas" at all in the Azores. There's a Lagoa, but that's over on the island 
of Sao Miguel. The only place with an "L" on Pico is Lajes. Hope that is what 
you meant. Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:41 AM, Peter O'Shea 
> wrote:
Cheri

Thank you for your information.

I now have a Register of Birth which specifies the name Joao de Sousa born 27 
May 1847.  Place of birth Ponta Delgada – District of Angra (Azores – 
Portugal).  Father’s name Jose de Sousa born Ponta Delgada.  Mother Tereza De 
Jesus born Lagoas da Ilha do Pico.

I will check the websites you and others have forwarded to me.  Much appreciate 
your assistance.

Joy

From: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2018 1:53 AM
To: Azores Genealogy >
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no 
island specified)

Joy,

There's a Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island and another on Flores island.

On both islands, Ponta Delgada can refer to the city itself, or the 
county/province.

Since you believe you have the birth date, search the baptisms on line at the 
Azores government site, the CCA. Start with the city itself, then move to the 
other churches outside the city, but within the council (county/province).

https://tombo.pt/en/d/acores

Pick the island from the left column, then the council of Ponta Delgada, then 
start looking for every Joao born on 25 May 1847.
If you need maps as you expand your search, go to the Azores Gen Web here: 
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/

Good luck, Cheri Mello
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