Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Margaret,

I really appreciate your help, thank you so much!



Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia segunda,
8/07/2019 à(s) 15:51:

> Hi Angela,
>
>
>
> That’s what I have.  You asked about the mother’s line,  I’ll PM it to you.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Ângela Loura 
> *Sent: *July 8, 2019 2:53 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira
> Pimentel
>
>
>
> Hi Margaret,
>
>
>
> After reading your reply I found on CCA an index book for a short period
> of baptisms in Água de Pau, and I think I found the remaining 4 children:
>
>- (1) *Cândida*
>- (3) *José*
>- (4) *Lebania*
>- (6) *Miquelina*
>
> Are these names the ones you have?
>
> After reading Candida's record now I get that the mother appeared as Maria
> Miquelina in the marriage record!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> A segunda, 8 de jul de 2019, 01:40, Ângela Loura 
> escreveu:
>
> Thanks Margaret, another José! :) Still the age on the death record is
> off, they forgot to add the "pouco mais ou menos".
>
> Do you have more record on the mother? I'm wondering why she show's as
> Maria Miguelina on her marriage, and Maria dos Anjos on her children
> baptism and death records...
>
>
>
> I am asking for other sibbling because i'd like to try to find descendants
> of this couple.
>
>
>
> Once again thank you so much for your help.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia segunda,
> 8/07/2019 à(s) 01:26:
>
> I have six children for this couple.  Are you looking for anyone in
> particular, aside from Jose?
>
>
>
> The baptism link I sent earlier you was the wrong Jose, sorry.  Here's the
> right one, top, right side.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832_item1/P116.html
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 6:38 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
>
> Margaret, thank you so much
>
>
>
> Do you know if this couple had more children?
>
>
>
> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia domingo,
> 7/07/2019 à(s) 21:41:
>
> Angela,
>
>
>
> I have this family. Here's his birth record, left page:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825_item1/P90.html
>
>
>
>
> Here's the parents, left side:
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P84.html
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
>
> Hi Mara, thank you for your reply. Since i last posted i was able to check
> what that link is all about. It's an index of something called *Índices
> do Cartório da Mitra de Angra*, that is slowly becoming available in the
> *Atlântida* magazine, and can be helpflul to Genealogy.
>
>
>
> In adition, a relative of mine found the death record for the priest José
> Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel. He died in 1888 at the age of 54 in Ribeira Chã,
> and it states that his parents were from *Villa da Lagoa*. I tried to
> shearch the matching period of his birth, but so far nothing.
>
>
>
> Anyone came across his parents?
>
>
>
> *José Jacinto Ferreira* & *Maria dos Anjos* from "*Villa da Lagoa*" (São
> Miguel)
>
> [image: jjf ma.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> segunda-feira, 10 de Junho de 2019 às 01:29:53 UTC+1, Ângela Loura
> escreveu:
>
> Anyone here has in their tree a priest from the 1800s called *José
> Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel*?
>
> I believe he was from São Miguel. He spent a few years in Santa Maria, and
> i think that after that he was in Arrifes.
>
>
>
> Any clue would be very helpfull.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Death record

[JR]

Beatriz Gonsalves died March 25- 1707, more or less fifty years old, filha 
de Domingos Manoel and Maria Gaspar; left will, buried in Capello, church 
of Santissima Trindade.

So it is possible she or her children are located in Capello. Not sure 
records go back that far.

JR

On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-4, doreencaetano wrote:
>
> Once again I find myself needing help. This time a death record. I just do 
> not have the language skills to read this. I working with someone on their 
> tree and it seems to be a mixture of several other trees with just dates. 
> So when I look to fin the record that goes with that date I think I’m 
> finding a LOT of misread records. BUT since my skills are so elementary I 
> do not want to disregard someone else’s work. Top of the page. It is 
> suppose to be a death record for a Beatriz Cota, married to Domingos Nunes 
> Coelho. Thanks
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1707-1747/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1707-1747_item1/P4.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro Sao Jorge

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

So interesting, Margaret!   I knew there should be a reason.  :)


On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:52 AM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Rosemarie,
>
>
>
> There is historical evidence as to why.  To give you a general idea:
>
>
>
> The Liberal war or The War of the Two Brothers during 1830-1832.
>
>  In 1832, the island of Sao Miguel and Santa Maria were for Miguelist’s
> [Miguel, the King’s brother] opposed King Pedro, who was in Brazil, while
> England sat in the throne of Portugal.  Upon King Pedro’s arrival on the
> island of Terceira and after winning a final battle to take control of Sao
> Miguel, the island was then flooded by the Kings’ troops from the islands
> to the West; many of these may have been given incentives by the King to
> occupy, and so they did.  They also brought over to the island their
> sweethearts, marrying them while still in the service.  For all those that
> stayed, some of their children returned to their father’s particular island
> and started the cycle all over. Also in 1832 the King Pedro, dismantled the
> religious orders and nationalized their properties and land with the intent
> to pass it on to the people, however the majority were too poor to afford
> any of it and it fell through after his death 1834.
>
>
>
> From 1800 – to 1880:  WORK
>
> 1 - There was the cultivation and great exportation of the Oranges from
> Ponta Delgada to England.  Many Açorianos from the islands to the West,
> moved to Sao Miguel occupying all kinds of services, including women.
>
> 2 – The construction of the Port of Ponta Delgada – saw another influx
>
>
>
> Many didn’t travel by their own means in cases like the Landowners with
> property locations in various islands.  Dr. Ernesto do Canto is a good
> example I can site.  A few like him would transport their ‘good hands’ back
> and forth.  Some single ones would end up marrying and started a new life
> in the respective island.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Margaret v
>
> *From: *Rosemarie Capodicci 
> *Sent: *July 8, 2019 1:18 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro
> Sao Jorge
>
>
>
> I can't believe how much they traveled from one island to another!
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:02 PM William Seidler  wrote:
>
> Yes there was definitely some moving around.  My wife's 3d great
> grandfather was born in Praia, Graciosa; showed up in Matriz de Sao
> Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel where he married a woman from Santo
> Amaro, Sao Jorge.  The couple had their first child in Praia, Graciosa, a
> few months later, then their second and third in Urzelina, Sao Jorge.  I
> then lost track of him, but his wife died in Urzelina in 1901 and her obit
> said she was still married.
>
>
>
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Death record

[Cheri Mello]

I think I'm reading that as Beatriz Goncalves and she's 50. Her father is a
Domingos, but not Nunes Coelho, so I'm not going any further.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 9:36 AM  wrote:

> Once again I find myself needing help. This time a death record. I just do
> not have the language skills to read this. I working with someone on their
> tree and it seems to be a mixture of several other trees with just dates.
> So when I look to fin the record that goes with that date I think I’m
> finding a LOT of misread records. BUT since my skills are so elementary I
> do not want to disregard someone else’s work. Top of the page. It is
> suppose to be a death record for a Beatriz Cota, married to Domingos Nunes
> Coelho. Thanks
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1707-1747/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1707-1747_item1/P4.html
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro Sao Jorge

[Cheri Mello]

I guess it's time to reread the Guill book! Thanks for the historical
background, Margaret.

I know that Terceira had the military base and so those that served there
may have brought a girl back to their native island.

I also know that the Flores people have Sao Miguel ancestry - from DNA. I
don't know that it's in the early 1800s and I don't know anyone who has
made the connection yet. I kinda thought that the Flores and Sao Miguel
thing was from the 1700s, but maybe not. Definitely needs more
investigation.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:52 AM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Rosemarie,
>
>
>
> There is historical evidence as to why.  To give you a general idea:
>
>
>
> The Liberal war or The War of the Two Brothers during 1830-1832.
>
>  In 1832, the island of Sao Miguel and Santa Maria were for Miguelist’s
> [Miguel, the King’s brother] opposed King Pedro, who was in Brazil, while
> England sat in the throne of Portugal.  Upon King Pedro’s arrival on the
> island of Terceira and after winning a final battle to take control of Sao
> Miguel, the island was then flooded by the Kings’ troops from the islands
> to the West; many of these may have been given incentives by the King to
> occupy, and so they did.  They also brought over to the island their
> sweethearts, marrying them while still in the service.  For all those that
> stayed, some of their children returned to their father’s particular island
> and started the cycle all over. Also in 1832 the King Pedro, dismantled the
> religious orders and nationalized their properties and land with the intent
> to pass it on to the people, however the majority were too poor to afford
> any of it and it fell through after his death 1834.
>
>
>
> From 1800 – to 1880:  WORK
>
> 1 - There was the cultivation and great exportation of the Oranges from
> Ponta Delgada to England.  Many Açorianos from the islands to the West,
> moved to Sao Miguel occupying all kinds of services, including women.
>
> 2 – The construction of the Port of Ponta Delgada – saw another influx
>
>
>
> Many didn’t travel by their own means in cases like the Landowners with
> property locations in various islands.  Dr. Ernesto do Canto is a good
> example I can site.  A few like him would transport their ‘good hands’ back
> and forth.  Some single ones would end up marrying and started a new life
> in the respective island.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Margaret v
>
> *From: *Rosemarie Capodicci 
> *Sent: *July 8, 2019 1:18 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro
> Sao Jorge
>
>
>
> I can't believe how much they traveled from one island to another!
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:02 PM William Seidler  wrote:
>
> Yes there was definitely some moving around.  My wife's 3d great
> grandfather was born in Praia, Graciosa; showed up in Matriz de Sao
> Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel where he married a woman from Santo
> Amaro, Sao Jorge.  The couple had their first child in Praia, Graciosa, a
> few months later, then their second and third in Urzelina, Sao Jorge.  I
> then lost track of him, but his wife died in Urzelina in 1901 and her obit
> said she was still married.
>
>
>
> Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Death record

[doreencaetano]

Once again I find myself needing help. This time a death record. I just do not 
have the language skills to read this. I working with someone on their tree and 
it seems to be a mixture of several other trees with just dates. So when I look 
to fin the record that goes with that date I think I’m finding a LOT of misread 
records. BUT since my skills are so elementary I do not want to disregard 
someone else’s work. Top of the page. It is suppose to be a death record for a 
Beatriz Cota, married to Domingos Nunes Coelho. Thanks
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1707-1747/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1707-1747_item1/P4.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro Sao Jorge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

It always astounds me how much they went back and forth between islands. I
even found some greats marrying on Terceira when the groom was from Calheta
and the bride from Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge!! Why would they take a boat to
Terceira to get married, I'll never know but it's really a question I've
asked myself.
Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 9:31 AM George Medeiros 
wrote:

> I was just thinking about people living in the Azores traveling between
> the islands and wondering how common that travel took place. Recently I
> found that one of my greats
> parents may have lived on Faial in Pedro Miguel. I notice when people are
> doing research, especially, those who are new at end don’t take into
> consideration that one family member left one island to marry another on
> different island. My surname is Medeiros and I have a friend also a
> Medeiros. My most recent Medeiros side is from Fenais de Ajuda, Riberia
> Grande and Arrifes, Sao Miguel but my friend’s Medeiros line is from
> Terceira. So we just dismissed any common ancestors at least in recent
> times.
> Anyway I found this very interesting  about the death records. George
> Medeiros
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Jul 7, 2019, at 10:18 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> I can't believe how much they traveled from one island to another!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:02 PM William Seidler  wrote:
>
>> Yes there was definitely some moving around.  My wife's 3d great
>> grandfather was born in Praia, Graciosa; showed up in Matriz de Sao
>> Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel where he married a woman from Santo
>> Amaro, Sao Jorge.  The couple had their first child in Praia, Graciosa, a
>> few months later, then their second and third in Urzelina, Sao Jorge.  I
>> then lost track of him, but his wife died in Urzelina in 1901 and her obit
>> said she was still married.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro Sao Jorge

[George Medeiros]

I was just thinking about people living in the Azores traveling between the 
islands and wondering how common that travel took place. Recently I found that 
one of my greats
parents may have lived on Faial in Pedro Miguel. I notice when people are doing 
research, especially, those who are new at end don’t take into consideration 
that one family member left one island to marry another on different island. My 
surname is Medeiros and I have a friend also a Medeiros. My most recent 
Medeiros side is from Fenais de Ajuda, Riberia Grande and Arrifes, Sao Miguel 
but my friend’s Medeiros line is from Terceira. So we just dismissed any common 
ancestors at least in recent times. 
Anyway I found this very interesting  about the death records. George Medeiros

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> On Jul 7, 2019, at 10:18 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> I can't believe how much they traveled from one island to another! 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:02 PM William Seidler  wrote:
>> Yes there was definitely some moving around.  My wife's 3d great grandfather 
>> was born in Praia, Graciosa; showed up in Matriz de Sao Sebastiao, Ponta 
>> Delgada, Sao Miguel where he married a woman from Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge.  
>> The couple had their first child in Praia, Graciosa, a few months later, 
>> then their second and third in Urzelina, Sao Jorge.  I then lost track of 
>> him, but his wife died in Urzelina in 1901 and her obit said she was still 
>> married.
>> 
>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro Sao Jorge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Wow, thank you so much, Margaret! How interesting to learn a little more
about what was happening on the islands.

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:52 AM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Rosemarie,
>
>
>
> There is historical evidence as to why.  To give you a general idea:
>
>
>
> The Liberal war or The War of the Two Brothers during 1830-1832.
>
>  In 1832, the island of Sao Miguel and Santa Maria were for Miguelist’s
> [Miguel, the King’s brother] opposed King Pedro, who was in Brazil, while
> England sat in the throne of Portugal.  Upon King Pedro’s arrival on the
> island of Terceira and after winning a final battle to take control of Sao
> Miguel, the island was then flooded by the Kings’ troops from the islands
> to the West; many of these may have been given incentives by the King to
> occupy, and so they did.  They also brought over to the island their
> sweethearts, marrying them while still in the service.  For all those that
> stayed, some of their children returned to their father’s particular island
> and started the cycle all over. Also in 1832 the King Pedro, dismantled the
> religious orders and nationalized their properties and land with the intent
> to pass it on to the people, however the majority were too poor to afford
> any of it and it fell through after his death 1834.
>
>
>
> From 1800 – to 1880:  WORK
>
> 1 - There was the cultivation and great exportation of the Oranges from
> Ponta Delgada to England.  Many Açorianos from the islands to the West,
> moved to Sao Miguel occupying all kinds of services, including women.
>
> 2 – The construction of the Port of Ponta Delgada – saw another influx
>
>
>
> Many didn’t travel by their own means in cases like the Landowners with
> property locations in various islands.  Dr. Ernesto do Canto is a good
> example I can site.  A few like him would transport their ‘good hands’ back
> and forth.  Some single ones would end up marrying and started a new life
> in the respective island.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Margaret v
>
> *From: *Rosemarie Capodicci 
> *Sent: *July 8, 2019 1:18 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro
> Sao Jorge
>
>
>
> I can't believe how much they traveled from one island to another!
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:02 PM William Seidler  wrote:
>
> Yes there was definitely some moving around.  My wife's 3d great
> grandfather was born in Praia, Graciosa; showed up in Matriz de Sao
> Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel where he married a woman from Santo
> Amaro, Sao Jorge.  The couple had their first child in Praia, Graciosa, a
> few months later, then their second and third in Urzelina, Sao Jorge.  I
> then lost track of him, but his wife died in Urzelina in 1901 and her obit
> said she was still married.
>
>
>
> Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro Sao Jorge

[Margaret Vicente]

Rosemarie,

There is historical evidence as to why.  To give you a general idea:

The Liberal war or The War of the Two Brothers during 1830-1832. 
 In 1832, the island of Sao Miguel and Santa Maria were for Miguelist’s 
[Miguel, the King’s brother] opposed King Pedro, who was in Brazil, while 
England sat in the throne of Portugal.  Upon King Pedro’s arrival on the island 
of Terceira and after winning a final battle to take control of Sao Miguel, the 
island was then flooded by the Kings’ troops from the islands to the West; many 
of these may have been given incentives by the King to occupy, and so they did. 
 They also brought over to the island their sweethearts, marrying them while 
still in the service.  For all those that stayed, some of their children 
returned to their father’s particular island and started the cycle all over. 
Also in 1832 the King Pedro, dismantled the religious orders and nationalized 
their properties and land with the intent to pass it on to the people, however 
the majority were too poor to afford any of it and it fell through after his 
death 1834.  

>From 1800 – to 1880:  WORK
1 - There was the cultivation and great exportation of the Oranges from Ponta 
Delgada to England.  Many Açorianos from the islands to the West, moved to Sao 
Miguel occupying all kinds of services, including women. 
2 – The construction of the Port of Ponta Delgada – saw another influx 

Many didn’t travel by their own means in cases like the Landowners with 
property locations in various islands.  Dr. Ernesto do Canto is a good example 
I can site.  A few like him would transport their ‘good hands’ back and forth.  
Some single ones would end up marrying and started a new life in the respective 
island.

Hope this helps.
Margaret v
From: Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: July 8, 2019 1:18 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro Sao Jorge

I can't believe how much they traveled from one island to another! 

Rosemarie 
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:02 PM William Seidler  wrote:
Yes there was definitely some moving around.  My wife's 3d great grandfather 
was born in Praia, Graciosa; showed up in Matriz de Sao Sebastiao, Ponta 
Delgada, Sao Miguel where he married a woman from Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge.  The 
couple had their first child in Praia, Graciosa, a few months later, then their 
second and third in Urzelina, Sao Jorge.  I then lost track of him, but his 
wife died in Urzelina in 1901 and her obit said she was still married.

Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1799 Marriage, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria;need help please

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Angela;  Thank you.  I was really swimming against the tide on that one! LOL!

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Ângela Loura
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1799 Marriage, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria;need 
help please

José Manuel Coelho, son of Manuel Coelho de Moura (deceased) & Maria de Jesus, 
from São Pedro.
Maria Francisca, daughter of Manuel José de Resendes Mello & his first wife 
Rosa Maria (deceased).

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
dia segunda, 8/07/2019 à(s) 01:09:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1789-1844/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1789-1844_item1/P24.html
 
Left hand page, I’m really lost here.  The whole structure is different from 
what I’m used to but; is that Manoel Jose Coelho son of Manoel Coelho and his 
wife Maria de Jesus marrying Maria Francisca daughter of Manoel Jose de 
Resendes Mello and his first wife, Rosa Maria?
 
If that is what you see, any other information you can figure out from that 
chicken scratch would be very much appreciated.
 
Thanks everyone,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Angela,

That’s what I have.  You asked about the mother’s line,  I’ll PM it to you.


From: Ângela Loura
Sent: July 8, 2019 2:53 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

Hi Margaret,

After reading your reply I found on CCA an index book for a short period of 
baptisms in Água de Pau, and I think I found the remaining 4 children:
• (1) Cândida
• (3) José
• (4) Lebania
• (6) Miquelina
Are these names the ones you have? 
After reading Candida's record now I get that the mother appeared as Maria 
Miquelina in the marriage record!



A segunda, 8 de jul de 2019, 01:40, Ângela Loura  
escreveu:
Thanks Margaret, another José! :) Still the age on the death record is off, 
they forgot to add the "pouco mais ou menos".
Do you have more record on the mother? I'm wondering why she show's as Maria 
Miguelina on her marriage, and Maria dos Anjos on her children baptism and 
death records...

I am asking for other sibbling because i'd like to try to find descendants of 
this couple. 

Once again thank you so much for your help.



Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia segunda, 8/07/2019 
à(s) 01:26:
I have six children for this couple.  Are you looking for anyone in particular, 
aside from Jose?

The baptism link I sent earlier you was the wrong Jose, sorry.  Here's the 
right one, top, right side.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832_item1/P116.html
  

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 6:38 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
Margaret, thank you so much

Do you know if this couple had more children?

Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia domingo, 7/07/2019 
à(s) 21:41:
Angela,

I have this family. Here's his birth record, left page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825_item1/P90.html
 

Here's the parents, left side:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P84.html
 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
Hi Mara, thank you for your reply. Since i last posted i was able to check what 
that link is all about. It's an index of something called Índices do Cartório 
da Mitra de Angra, that is slowly becoming available in the Atlântida magazine, 
and can be helpflul to Genealogy.

In adition, a relative of mine found the death record for the priest José 
Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel. He died in 1888 at the age of 54 in Ribeira Chã, and 
it states that his parents were from Villa da Lagoa. I tried to shearch the 
matching period of his birth, but so far nothing. 

Anyone came across his parents?

José Jacinto Ferreira & Maria dos Anjos from "Villa da Lagoa" (São Miguel) 



Thanks!


segunda-feira, 10 de Junho de 2019 às 01:29:53 UTC+1, Ângela Loura escreveu:
Anyone here has in their tree a priest from the 1800s called José Jacinto 
Ferreira Pimentel? 
I believe he was from São Miguel. He spent a few years in Santa Maria, and i 
think that after that he was in Arrifes. 

Any clue would be very helpfull. 

Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Margaret,

After reading your reply I found on CCA an index book for a short period of
baptisms in Água de Pau, and I think I found the remaining 4 children:

   - (1) *Cândida*
   - (3) *José*
   - (4) *Lebania*
   - (6) *Miquelina*

Are these names the ones you have?
After reading Candida's record now I get that the mother appeared as Maria
Miquelina in the marriage record!



A segunda, 8 de jul de 2019, 01:40, Ângela Loura 
escreveu:

> Thanks Margaret, another José! :) Still the age on the death record is
> off, they forgot to add the "pouco mais ou menos".
> Do you have more record on the mother? I'm wondering why she show's as
> Maria Miguelina on her marriage, and Maria dos Anjos on her children
> baptism and death records...
>
> I am asking for other sibbling because i'd like to try to find descendants
> of this couple.
>
> Once again thank you so much for your help.
>
>
>
> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia segunda,
> 8/07/2019 à(s) 01:26:
>
>> I have six children for this couple.  Are you looking for anyone in
>> particular, aside from Jose?
>>
>> The baptism link I sent earlier you was the wrong Jose, sorry.  Here's
>> the right one, top, right side.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832_item1/P116.html
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 6:38 PM Ângela Loura 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Margaret, thank you so much
>>>
>>> Do you know if this couple had more children?
>>>
>>> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia domingo,
>>> 7/07/2019 à(s) 21:41:
>>>
 Angela,

 I have this family. Here's his birth record, left page:

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825_item1/P90.html


 Here's the parents, left side:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P84.html


 On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Ângela Loura 
 wrote:

> Hi Mara, thank you for your reply. Since i last posted i was able to
> check what that link is all about. It's an index of something called 
> *Índices
> do Cartório da Mitra de Angra*, that is slowly becoming available in
> the *Atlântida* magazine, and can be helpflul to Genealogy.
>
> In adition, a relative of mine found the death record for the priest
> José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel. He died in 1888 at the age of 54 in 
> Ribeira
> Chã, and it states that his parents were from *Villa da Lagoa*. I
> tried to shearch the matching period of his birth, but so far nothing.
>
> Anyone came across his parents?
>
> José Jacinto Ferreira & Maria dos Anjos from "Villa da Lagoa" (São
> Miguel)
>
> [image: jjf ma.jpg]
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> segunda-feira, 10 de Junho de 2019 às 01:29:53 UTC+1, Ângela Loura
> escreveu:
>>
>> Anyone here has in their tree a priest from the 1800s called José
>> Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel?
>> I believe he was from São Miguel. He spent a few years in Santa
>> Maria, and i think that after that he was in Arrifes.
>>
>> Any clue would be very helpfull.
>>
>> Thanks!
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