Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Filomena Martins. Joao Correia de Bettencourt and Margarida, Maria, and Olinda
They are available on Ancestry.com and on Familysearch.org. Ancestry.com transcribed and indexed José as João in the 1996 record. An unfortunate coincidence with the initial error on his daughter's baptism in 1900. If you open the document though, it clearly says José. Familysearch.org did index it correctly as José. Bill On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 9:10:38 AM UTC-7, lunamarc wrote: > > Awesome work. Thanks for sharing. How do I get the marriage logs? Is this > readily available? > > Also, I do know that Margarida had many more children. I believe the first > was Ursula and possibly born shortly after their marriage, before going > back. My have been what prompted them to go 'home'. I have not been able to > find anything on an infant birth. Any tips on finding this? > > Maria > > On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 12:40 AM Bill Seidler > wrote: > >> I don’t know this family but was bored so decided to do some detective >> work. Here are my results: >> >> >> I believe they married brothers. Filomena married João and Margarida >> married José. These brothers are from São João, Lajes, Pico: >> >> >> José’s baptism bottom left >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1860-1875/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1860-1875_item1/P192.html >> >> João’s baptism bottom right >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1860-1875/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1860-1875_item1/P103.html >> >> >> Margarida and José returned to Faial, Margarida’s home and had a >> daughter, Maria, in 1900. Her baptism may have originally reported and >> incorrect father’s name. It seems to have two pen-and-ink corrections: one >> changing the birth month to March on page 2, line 2 and one changing the >> father’s name from João to José on the third line. My belief is that NEPS >> transcribed João but José was the correct one which would explain the >> confusion. >> >> >> Maria’s baptism: >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1896-1903/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1896-1903_item1/P130.html >> >> (bottom right continuing on next page) >> >> >> They had another daughter Olinda that gave the correct father’s name from >> the start. Both of these baptisms indicate the parents were married in New >> Bedford. >> >> Olinda’s baptism: >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1896-1903/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1896-1903_item1/P180.html >> >> (bottom left) >> >> >> Also, if you have access to New Bedford’s marriage logs, you can see that >> in 1891 Filomena married João and in 1896 Margarida married José. >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> Bill Seidler >> >> On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 7:34:20 PM UTC-7, lunamarc wrote: >>> >>> I came across this and need to correct the fact that Joao is NOT Jose. >>> It is like saying John is Joseph. My Great Grandfather is Jose, not Joao. I >>> tried to fix this on the CITCEM site as I noted it was there incorrectly >>> but it just wouldn't let me. I know it's been a while since this was posted >>> so I hope you have that worked out by now. ;) >>> >>> On Saturday, September 1, 2012 at 6:48:56 PM UTC-4, DBM wrote: I am hoping group members might be able to help me with two topics. *Questions: Does anyone know anything about the families below? Did the two sisters, Filomena and Margarida, marry the same man or are these different men? How should I proceed?* - The NEPS site for Feteira, Faial lists my grandfather's sister: *Filomena* (1870 Feteira, Faial - 1955 Feteira, Faial), daughter of *Jose Francisco Martins* and *Virginia Emilia. * - The NEGHS site includes a marriage record for *Filomena* and her spouse, *Joao Correia*, of Pico. The couple was married in 1891 in New Bedford. Per the marriage cert, Joao is the son of "*Manuel C."* and "*Francisca J.* " Filomena's parents' names agree with the info in the first bullet. - Filomena had a younger sister, *Margarida Martins* (1875 Feteira, Faial - death ?) Margarida was married in New Bedford, MA to *Joao Correia de Bettencourt* (1866 Sao Joao, Pico - death ?) They had two daughters, *Maria* (1900 Feteira, Faial - death ?) and *Olinda*(date ?, Feteira, Faial - death ?) - The NEHGS site includes a marriage record for Margarida and Joao in New Bedford in 1896. This Joao is the son of Manuel Correa (sp error?) Bettencourt and Francisca Josefa. - It looks like both Joao's have parents wtih the same given names. Thus my question about whether they are one in the same man. *Questions: Would the NEPS note below suggest that there is more information available than what is shown on NEPS? If so, how would I go about acquiring it?* - The NEPS page for Margarida's father-in-law,
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Filomena Martins. Joao Correia de Bettencourt and Margarida, Maria, and Olinda
Awesome work. Thanks for sharing. How do I get the marriage logs? Is this readily available? Also, I do know that Margarida had many more children. I believe the first was Ursula and possibly born shortly after their marriage, before going back. My have been what prompted them to go 'home'. I have not been able to find anything on an infant birth. Any tips on finding this? Maria On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 12:40 AM Bill Seidler wrote: > I don’t know this family but was bored so decided to do some detective > work. Here are my results: > > > I believe they married brothers. Filomena married João and Margarida > married José. These brothers are from São João, Lajes, Pico: > > > José’s baptism bottom left > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1860-1875/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1860-1875_item1/P192.html > > João’s baptism bottom right > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1860-1875/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1860-1875_item1/P103.html > > > Margarida and José returned to Faial, Margarida’s home and had a daughter, > Maria, in 1900. Her baptism may have originally reported and incorrect > father’s name. It seems to have two pen-and-ink corrections: one changing > the birth month to March on page 2, line 2 and one changing the father’s > name from João to José on the third line. My belief is that NEPS > transcribed João but José was the correct one which would explain the > confusion. > > > Maria’s baptism: > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1896-1903/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1896-1903_item1/P130.html > (bottom right continuing on next page) > > > They had another daughter Olinda that gave the correct father’s name from > the start. Both of these baptisms indicate the parents were married in New > Bedford. > > Olinda’s baptism: > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1896-1903/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1896-1903_item1/P180.html > (bottom left) > > > Also, if you have access to New Bedford’s marriage logs, you can see that > in 1891 Filomena married João and in 1896 Margarida married José. > > I hope this helps. > > Bill Seidler > > On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 7:34:20 PM UTC-7, lunamarc wrote: >> >> I came across this and need to correct the fact that Joao is NOT Jose. It >> is like saying John is Joseph. My Great Grandfather is Jose, not Joao. I >> tried to fix this on the CITCEM site as I noted it was there incorrectly >> but it just wouldn't let me. I know it's been a while since this was posted >> so I hope you have that worked out by now. ;) >> >> On Saturday, September 1, 2012 at 6:48:56 PM UTC-4, DBM wrote: >>> >>> I am hoping group members might be able to help me with two topics. >>> >>> >>> *Questions: Does anyone know anything about the families below? Did >>> the two sisters, Filomena and Margarida, marry the same man or are these >>> different men? How should I proceed?* >>> >>> >>>- The NEPS site for Feteira, Faial lists my grandfather's sister: >>>*Filomena* (1870 Feteira, Faial - 1955 Feteira, Faial), daughter of *Jose >>>Francisco Martins* and *Virginia Emilia. * >>>- The NEGHS site includes a marriage record for *Filomena* and her >>>spouse, *Joao Correia*, of Pico. The couple was married in 1891 in >>>New Bedford. Per the marriage cert, Joao is the son of "*Manuel >>>C."* and "*Francisca J.* " Filomena's parents' names agree with the >>>info in the first bullet. >>>- Filomena had a younger sister, *Margarida Martins* (1875 Feteira, >>>Faial - death ?) Margarida was married in New Bedford, MA to *Joao >>>Correia de Bettencourt* (1866 Sao Joao, Pico - death ?) They had two >>>daughters, *Maria* (1900 Feteira, Faial - death ?) and *Olinda*(date >>>?, Feteira, Faial - death ?) >>>- The NEHGS site includes a marriage record for Margarida and >>>Joao in New Bedford in 1896. This Joao is the son of Manuel Correa (sp >>>error?) Bettencourt and Francisca Josefa. >>>- It looks like both Joao's have parents wtih the same given names. >>>Thus my question about whether they are one in the same man. >>> >>> *Questions: Would the NEPS note below suggest that there is more >>> information available than what is shown on NEPS? If so, how would I go >>> about acquiring it?* >>> >>>- The NEPS page for Margarida's father-in-law, Manuel Correia de >>>Bettencourt, has the following note at the bottom of the page. NOTA: >>>Qualquer interessado neste ramo, poderá fazer as suas pesquisas através >>> do >>>site de genealogia do NEPS, da Universidade do Minho, onte consta >>> umavasta >>>ascendência deste casal. >>> >>> Thanks for taking the time to read this e-mail and for any help you >>> might be able to provide. >>> >>> Deb >>> >>> *When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!* >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Azores Genealogy"
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alves/Alvaro Carvalho and Ferreira Drummond
For what it is worth…I have Joao Escorcio’s daughter, Branca Afonso Escorcia Drummond, married to Belchior Goncalves Ferreira. Branca and Belchior have a daughter named Isabel Afonso de Azevedo. This information came from an online Drummond tree. There is a research group especially for the Drummond family. I did not have Isabel’s marriage. Did you find the church record? What is your source for this marriage information? Sincerely. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 1:16 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alves/Alvaro Carvalho and Ferreira Drummond NOTE: Posts older than 30 days are "closed" and a new thread needs to be started. Repost for Marcia, marcia.guralski at gmail.com Antao Alvaro Carvalho, I found as Antao Alves Carvalho Married with Isabel Ferreira Drumond, Grandduaghter of Joao Escorcio (parents: John Drumond and Elizabeth Sinclair), Am I correct? is the same person? thanks a million, Marcia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_EiZpLs_rkrN2ptFt7DyQoCzr2v2od%2BmwW705ykLOBEBQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d6fc633.1c69fb81.aee7e.dbbd%40mx.google.com.
