Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silva, Viera, Silveira in Gloucester, Massachusetts
When we were in Piadade, Pico we met a Viera family and have stayed in contact with her, although she lives in St. Jorge now. I'm sure we could get some documents on her family, though it may not be the same since your ancesters were from Faial. Faial is just a short ferry away from Pico. Did anyone in your Massachusetts family go into the violin making business? On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Repost for Tina tinaparks at gwi.net > > Is there anyone out there researching Gloucester, Mass, immigrants from > the azores like I am? My ancestors are Silvas, Vieras (Faial), and > Silveiras (from Pico). I find it very hard to get any records before > they got to the US. > Can anyone help? > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Peter(s) from Madeira to Hawaii
My maiden name is Peters, but my father's ancesters came from Candalaria Pico Azores and while there they had the name Pedro Faria Des Neves. When they came to this country they changed the name to Peters as there were too many people settled in the Sacramento area with Neves. Sorry not to be of help to you. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Repost for Marilyn Melenin: waterfalls51 at gmail.com > > Hi I am searching my grandfather Manuel Jesus Peter (s) from Madeira, > Portugal. That's all I am familiar with. He died here in Hawaii. M Jose > His birth about 1840. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FYI: Manteca Bulletin, "Portuguese cultural class series starts Wednesday"
Oh Katherine, I wish I could attend this, but Folsom is just too far away. Maybe they will repeat it in the Sacramento area On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Katharine wrote: > Disclaimer: I have no connection to the following, simply came across > while doing my daily search on "Azores" on Google News. Still, it > might be of interest to some of our members. Katharine. > = = = = = = = = = = > > "Portuguese cultural class series starts Wednesday" > http://www.mantecabulletin.com/news/article/19761 > Staff reports of the Manteca (Calif.) Bulletin > POSTED Dec. 31, 2010 10:24 p.m. > > The Manteca Parks and Recreation Department is again offering a > Portuguese class geared for those of Portuguese descent who want to > learn more about their history, or just anyone interested in knowing > more about the culture other than festas and bullfights. > > The nine-week Portuguese Cultural Class will begin on Wednesday, Jan. > 5. Classes will be held every Wednesday from 6 to 8 p.m. at the > Manteca Senior Center, 295 Cherry Lane, just behind the Police > Department. Registration for the class is at the Manteca Parks and > Recreation Department at 252 Magnolia Avenue in Manteca. > > Interested in finding out how different cultures influenced the > Azores, how a rebel tribal leader, Virathus, held off the mighty > Roman Army on the Iberian Peninsula, and why the inhabitants of > Teceira, Azores like their bulls and bullfights so much, and why the > Portuguese have such a devotion to the Holy Spirit? > > You can find out those answers and much more by taking the Portuguese > Cultural Class offered from Jan. 5 to March 2. > > Participants will learn the history of Portugal going back to pre- > Roman days then to the first monarch, the golden age of discovery, and > understand the reasons behind the immigration move to the USA, > according to Mary Del Pino who is teaching the class. > > Traditions, both cultural and religious will be a large focus of the > class, she said. Traditional foods, dance and music will be explored. > Students will learn the “Chamarita” – a folk dance, and will have a > Portuguese potluck where the main course will be provided and everyone > brings their favorite Portuguese dish. The Portuguese language will be > touched on, with some basic greetings and dialects reviewed, as well > as the history of the language. > > Those who are studying their family trees can get information on how > to continue their research. They will also learn about prominent > Portuguese-Americans and what the letters FESM and MRPS really stand > for. > > The class costs $50 per person for the nine-week session. This > includes all class materials, the cost of the potluck and the > “Chamarita” dance lesson. If you are not a resident of Manteca, the > class will cost > > $60, as there is a $10 non-residence fee. No registration will take > place after the second class on Jan. 12. > > Course teacher Mary (Gomes) Del Pino is a certificated high school > teacher. She speaks fluent Portuguese and is of Portuguese ancestry, > both on her maternal and paternal sides. > > She was the first editor of the “Luso-American,” the in-house > publication for the Luso-American Fraternal Society based in Dublin. > This will be the ninth Portuguese Cultural class that Del Pino has > taught. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family stories
I have gone back to read this and realize it is Piedade not how I spelled it. On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Deanna Enos wrote: > I have just located this group online and I am hoping it will help me > to write some of my family stories. My children would love to have > them written down, and so this year I shall begin. > > My Grandfather and Grandmother both came from Piadade, Pico, and I am > trying to get some information on a Senora Rosalina Silveida, whose > house still remains on a hill in Piadade. Anyone know of her? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family stories
Eric, I don't recognize where this fits into anything I have. Thanks for sending it though. On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 1:47 PM, eric edgar wrote: > > Deanna, > > Here is the record of the first marriage Carolina from Sacramento 1884. > > Eric > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Prada
It is amazing how when you start to look at this it all becomes a jumble of names My father's father Paredas Faria des Neves From Candalaria. My husbands father was Joseph Enos but born in the United States. His father may also have been Joseph Enos, but I can see that without documentation it can mean little to locate people by name. Mary was such a popular name as well. Lionel Holmes seems to be a very reputable source for information I have discovered. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 1:26 PM, wrote: > Hello > > I am doing research on my ancetors from the Azores and I'm stuck on my > paternal grandmother's side. My great-grandfather was born in the Azores > (maybe Faial, Pico or Terceira). All I have on him is his name (Joseph Enos > Prada - DOB 1865). He married Mary A. Faria in the states and had five > children. When I'm researching "Prada", I don't come up with much > information, it seems to cross-reference me to "Paredas, Pardo, Pereda or > Predos". Can anyone give me some ideas of where to go next? > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy New Year!
I am having the family over for Alcatra and sopas on this New Years day. I have cooked some Portuguese beans as well. We will have a party of 15 today including the children. It will remind me of the days with my Grandmother and Grandfather at their house when I was a child. I just want to pass this on.They will arrive a 1, so it will be l, 1 1 at 1.. Happy 2011 to all. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Eileen Leite wrote: > As I look back at 2010, I can hardly believe the road we’ve travelled. > > > > In January we knew of only a handful of my husband’s Azorean ancestors, and > never even thought about them. > > > > In March Steve told me, “We have to start looking for my family”, and we > found the Azorean Genweb site and this email group. We began to learn about > the process of research. > > > > An email to this group in April led to shared information that swelled our > database. > > > > We attended the Azorean Genealogy conference in Salt Lake City, which > changed our lives. We learned so much our brains could hardly take it in! > We started finding people in those microfilmed records!! > > > > We became familiar faces at our local FHC. They got used to my exclamations > of “YES!” when I found yet another person. And since every baby and every > couple found gives clues, we are still – and will be for a very long time > –hot on the trail of Azorean ancestors. > > > > Most recently, we got over the surprise of realizing that THREE of Steve’s > grandparents descend from one of his 4th Great-grandfathers, Jose de > Araujo Daniel (b. 1750). > > > > Our gratitude to Cheri and Rosemary and John Roias and Dan Paiva and other > new-found cousins, and to everyone else in the group who has been kind and > willing to answer questions and share their knowledge. I have learned so > much just reading the postings here, and humbly hope to someday be able to > give as well as take from this group. > > > > Our best to you all for a prosperous New Year. > > > > Steve and Eileen Leite > > Who are having carne assada em vinha d’alhos for dinner, one of Vovó’s > special dishes! > > > > Researching Ponta Garca and Povoacao, Sao Miguel > > > > *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Cheri Mello > *Sent:* Friday, December 31, 2010 7:28 PM > *To:* Azores Genealogy > *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy New Year! > > > > Prospero Ano Novo! > > If you want to post New Year greetings, please hit reply to this message > ONLY, and send your wishes. > > Please close the thread (stop posting) by 11:59 p.m. your time Jan. 1, 2011 > > Happy Hunting and here's to finding new cousins in 2011! > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family stories
Yes, Eric, Antonio Silveira Bettencourt was Thomas's brother. Rosalina Augusta of Piedade, Pico was their mother perhaps not Silveira at all. I only knew her first name from my grandfather. Unfortunately I never asked him more. My Grandmother Mary Brun came to the USA to marry one of the brothers and she choose Thomas. She learned to sew at Roalinas house when she was a girl. Thomas was much older, but she liked him. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 9:34 PM, eric edgar wrote: > Deanna, > > Do you know if the Antonio Silveira Bettencourt who settled in Turlock is > his brother? A shiplist shows his mother as Rosalina Augusta of Piedade, > Pico. His wife was Isabel Silveira Avila > > of Piedade. > > Eric > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Deanna Enos wrote: > >> I'm sure we can get off in a tangent with all this information out there >> now but I was very excited that you found Rosalina Silviera in the baptismal >> records in Piedade. I do know my grandfather was Thomas S. Bettencourt (S >> for Silveira). I do know that his mother was called Senora Rosalina because >> he told me. I do know she lived in Piedade all her life in the house that >> is still there. That I know for sure. I know the date of his birth and >> death. Where he was born and where he died. from our family records. I >> would like to know who his mother's parents were and if she lived with >> them. I would like to know for sure if my grandfather was John Bettencourt >> of the Nossa Senora da Piedade parish and if there are records on him. I >> don't know if you can help me Eric with any of this. Thanks. Deanna >> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 2:52 PM, eric edgar wrote: >> >>> >>> There is a Enos family Tree at Ancestry.com that shows a Rosalina Augusta >>> of Piedade, Pico. It shows a son as Antonio Silveira Bettencourt b Sep 1870 >>> . This Antonio also came to California. However when referencing him on a >>> shiplist, he tells his birthplace is Santo Amaro, Pico. He is not found in >>> the parish records there. >>> >>> The big question is, what documents are you basing your search on? Most >>> of the trees on Ancestry are undocumented junk. They usual hunt similar >>> sound names on other trees and "borrow" the information for their own. It's >>> as unrelaible as the majority of the Familysearch trees. >>> >>> You should carefully list out all the documented data you have ( birth, >>> marriage, death records Obits , shiplists, etc) >>> >>> then list any family stories that might relate to the origin >>> >>> Eric Edgar >>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Deanna Enos wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, Eric. Thomas is her son. I have found that he was born Dec 22, >>>> 1867. in Piadade, Pico. That must be her. Rosalina was his mother. What >>>> was the name of her Silviera parents? What dates are on the baptismal >>>> records. Was she baptized in the Catholic Nossa Senora da Piedade church? >>>> or was that even built then? >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:49 PM, eric edgar wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Deanna, >>>>> >>>>> There is only one Rosalina in the parish records of Piedade that has a >>>>> Silveira parent. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps more information from you would get better results >>>>> >>>>> Is Thomas Bettencourt her son ? >>>>> >>>>> Eric Edgar >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Deanna Enos wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Eric but I'm not sure of how your information might connect >>>>>> Jose Silveira 1761-1811 and Maria Conceicao 1765 - 1857 . You have >>>>>> record of Rosalina Conceicao. In my mind, I can't fit that all >>>>>> together. It sounds like dates are all important here and I can see >>>>>> how that is so, but on the islands, They know the stories, but I don't >>>>>> speak Portuguese. >>>>>> When I was in Piedade several years ago, I found the family house and >>>>>> said "Me Avu is Thomas Bettencourt". and they knew I was trying to >>>>>> tell them that my Grandfather was Thomas Bettencourt and kindly >>>>>> invited us in for wine and sweetbread. We could smile and hug and >>>>>> enjoy the food but there was nothin
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family stories
These names are not familiar to me. My husband,s father was Clarence Enos and his grandfather Joseph Enos of Paintersville. Joseph married Katie Nash and we know where they are buried. My husband and I met in college and did not know when we met that our ancesters came from the same island Pico and the same village Piedade. That was really quite a shock. His grandmother was Porto and she knew my grandmother Mary Brun while they were on the island. My name was changed from Neves on my father's side to Peters because there were too many Neves. His ancesters came from Candalaria and were Neves's. I had thought I would explore my mother's side Bettencourt and Brun first to locate anything concrete about them. Did you find out who Antone Silveira Bettencourt's Father was? That is our question now? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Lionel Holmes wrote: > Eric & Deanna, > > I have in my files (info from funeral notices in the Sacramento Bee) some > names which seem to match yours: > > Andrew Enos, d.1-1-1931, age 75, born S.Miguel > = > > He married twice. By one wife he had these children: > 1. Marion Enos, d.11-11-1927, age 63, m. to Caroline Bettencourt, > d.4-29-1922, age 53. Caroline also married a Nevis and had son Antone J. > Nevis. > > The children of Marion Enos and Caroline Bettencourt: > 1. Thomas Marion Enos, d.7-23-1952, m.Lulu__, and had children Gene, > Caroline & Jacqueline. > 2. Joseph m.___; children Ronald and Joe > 3.Mary Enos, d.3.8-1949, m.Manuel Mello > > By Andrew Enos' second wife Maria__, who d.1-27-1931. Children: > 1.Joseph Enos=Hazel Rabello, with child Margaret Enos who married twice, to > a Wilson and to a Camponella. > 2.Manuel Enos, 1881-1962, married to Emilia Leal, > widow of Jose Francisco Silveira (my grandparents). > 3.Mary Enos=Frank "Biscaia" Silva. > 4.John Enos > 5.Louis Enos d.10-8-1977,age 98. > 6Frank Enos=Rose Costa(?) d.7-21-1955(84), with children Emma, > d.1-2-1986,age 87; Minnie, who married a Harder and a Hustak; Lillian R. > Enos, d.1-5-1973, age 66, m.Arthur L. Williams; Ralph F. Enos, d.7-27-1995, > b.1912, m. to Ruth__. > > I have some additional info if the above rings a bell. > > Lionel Rocha Holmes > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 12:00 PM, eric edgar wrote: > >> >> Deanna, >> >> There is a marriage record cited without original document on a Ancestry >> tree ( Adam Anderson) showing Marianno Enos and Caroline Bettencourt married >> 25 May 1901 in Sacramento County. >> >> Eric >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:35 AM, eric edgar wrote: >> >>> Deanna, >>> >>> Here is the ship list. It shows Antonio is born in St. Amaro Pico about >>> 1870, his mother is Rosalina Augusta living in Piedade. He and his wife are >>> going to his sister's place in Sacramento >>> >>> She's Carrie Enos. A check of the 1910 census shows only one in >>> Sacramento county. Here's the census >>> Eric >>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Deanna Enos wrote: >>> >>>> Have you seen those records. Now I'm getting suspiciious of everyone, >>>> since I have been warned that there is much fraudulent information about. >>>> Ho Hum. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:49 PM, eric edgar wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Deanna, >>>>> >>>>> There is only one Rosalina in the parish records of Piedade that has a >>>>> Silveira parent. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps more information from you would get better results >>>>> >>>>> Is Thomas Bettencourt her son ? >>>>> >>>>> Eric Edgar >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Deanna Enos wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Eric but I'm not sure of how your information might connect >>>>>> Jose Silveira 1761-1811 and Maria Conceicao 1765 - 1857 . You have >>>>>> record of Rosalina Conceicao. In my mind, I can't fit that all >>>>>> together. It sounds like dates are all important here and I can see >>>>>> how that is so, but on the islands, They know the stories, but I don't >>>>>> speak Portuguese. >>>>>> When I was in Piadade several years ago, I found the family house and >>>>>> said "Me Avu is Thomas Bettencourt". and they knew I was trying to >>>>>> tell them that my Grandfather
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family stories
Have you seen those records. Now I'm getting suspiciious of everyone, since I have been warned that there is much fraudulent information about. Ho Hum. On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:49 PM, eric edgar wrote: > > Deanna, > > There is only one Rosalina in the parish records of Piedade that has a > Silveira parent. > > Perhaps more information from you would get better results > > Is Thomas Bettencourt her son ? > > Eric Edgar > > > > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Deanna Enos wrote: > >> Thanks Eric but I'm not sure of how your information might connect >> Jose Silveira 1761-1811 and Maria Conceicao 1765 - 1857 . You have >> record of Rosalina Conceicao. In my mind, I can't fit that all >> together. It sounds like dates are all important here and I can see >> how that is so, but on the islands, They know the stories, but I don't >> speak Portuguese. >> When I was in Piadade several years ago, I found the family house and >> said "Me Avu is Thomas Bettencourt". and they knew I was trying to >> tell them that my Grandfather was Thomas Bettencourt and kindly >> invited us in for wine and sweetbread. We could smile and hug and >> enjoy the food but there was nothing else we could say to each other. >> I'm not sure I'm going with all this. >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. >> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family stories
I'm sure we can get off in a tangent with all this information out there now but I was very excited that you found Rosalina Silviera in the baptismal records in Piedade. I do know my grandfather was Thomas S. Bettencourt (S for Silveira). I do know that his mother was called Senora Rosalina because he told me. I do know she lived in Piedade all her life in the house that is still there. That I know for sure. I know the date of his birth and death. Where he was born and where he died. from our family records. I would like to know who his mother's parents were and if she lived with them. I would like to know for sure if my grandfather was John Bettencourt of the Nossa Senora da Piedade parish and if there are records on him. I don't know if you can help me Eric with any of this. Thanks. Deanna On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 2:52 PM, eric edgar wrote: > > There is a Enos family Tree at Ancestry.com that shows a Rosalina Augusta > of Piedade, Pico. It shows a son as Antonio Silveira Bettencourt b Sep 1870 > . This Antonio also came to California. However when referencing him on a > shiplist, he tells his birthplace is Santo Amaro, Pico. He is not found in > the parish records there. > > The big question is, what documents are you basing your search on? Most of > the trees on Ancestry are undocumented junk. They usual hunt similar sound > names on other trees and "borrow" the information for their own. It's as > unrelaible as the majority of the Familysearch trees. > > You should carefully list out all the documented data you have ( birth, > marriage, death records Obits , shiplists, etc) > > then list any family stories that might relate to the origin > > Eric Edgar > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Deanna Enos wrote: > >> Yes, Eric. Thomas is her son. I have found that he was born Dec 22, >> 1867. in Piadade, Pico. That must be her. Rosalina was his mother. What >> was the name of her Silviera parents? What dates are on the baptismal >> records. Was she baptized in the Catholic Nossa Senora da Piadade church? >> or was that even built then? >> >> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:49 PM, eric edgar wrote: >> >>> >>> Deanna, >>> >>> There is only one Rosalina in the parish records of Piedade that has a >>> Silveira parent. >>> >>> Perhaps more information from you would get better results >>> >>> Is Thomas Bettencourt her son ? >>> >>> Eric Edgar >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Deanna Enos wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Eric but I'm not sure of how your information might connect >>>> Jose Silveira 1761-1811 and Maria Conceicao 1765 - 1857 . You have >>>> record of Rosalina Conceicao. In my mind, I can't fit that all >>>> together. It sounds like dates are all important here and I can see >>>> how that is so, but on the islands, They know the stories, but I don't >>>> speak Portuguese. >>>> When I was in Piadade several years ago, I found the family house and >>>> said "Me Avu is Thomas Bettencourt". and they knew I was trying to >>>> tell them that my Grandfather was Thomas Bettencourt and kindly >>>> invited us in for wine and sweetbread. We could smile and hug and >>>> enjoy the food but there was nothing else we could say to each other. >>>> I'm not sure I'm going with all this. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. >>>> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >>>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>>> membership." >>> >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. >>> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>> membership." >>> >> >> -- >> To unsu
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family stories
Katherine, Perhaps Thomas Bettencourt is related to Urbano Bettencourt. Thomas was born in Piadade in 1867 and died in California USA in 1954. I'm trying to get a confirmation of some sort on his mother and father. I do have a picture of his father, but am unsure of his first name. no dates. Rosalina Silviera was his mother I think but am still trying to get information to confirm that. My grandfather told me his mother was called Senora Rosalina and that is how I know that. According to a recent notification to me from a baptismal record there is only one Rosalina Silviera in Piadade. I am thinking if the dates match up it is probably her. Tell you friend Urbino that I also write and perhaps we have a family connection. I live in Folsom, California USA. perhaps he knows about the people of an earlier time. Any information you can get from him would be much appreciated. Thanks Katherine. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Katharine wrote: > Any chance your Thomas Bettencourt is related to the contemporary > Azorean writer Urbano Bettencourt (full name Manuel Urbano Bettencourt > Machado), who was born in Piedade in 1949 and is a proud Picoense > (although lives on São Miguel nowadays)? If so, please let me know, > as he is a friend. Katharine. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family stories
Yes, Eric. Thomas is her son. I have found that he was born Dec 22, 1867. in Piadade, Pico. That must be her. Rosalina was his mother. What was the name of her Silviera parents? What dates are on the baptismal records. Was she baptized in the Catholic Nossa Senora da Piadade church? or was that even built then? On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:49 PM, eric edgar wrote: > > Deanna, > > There is only one Rosalina in the parish records of Piedade that has a > Silveira parent. > > Perhaps more information from you would get better results > > Is Thomas Bettencourt her son ? > > Eric Edgar > > > > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Deanna Enos wrote: > >> Thanks Eric but I'm not sure of how your information might connect >> Jose Silveira 1761-1811 and Maria Conceicao 1765 - 1857 . You have >> record of Rosalina Conceicao. In my mind, I can't fit that all >> together. It sounds like dates are all important here and I can see >> how that is so, but on the islands, They know the stories, but I don't >> speak Portuguese. >> When I was in Piadade several years ago, I found the family house and >> said "Me Avu is Thomas Bettencourt". and they knew I was trying to >> tell them that my Grandfather was Thomas Bettencourt and kindly >> invited us in for wine and sweetbread. We could smile and hug and >> enjoy the food but there was nothing else we could say to each other. >> I'm not sure I'm going with all this. >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. >> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family stories
Thanks Cheri, for all the information. I have to go cook dinner now so will get back to this. What a journey! I don't know if I am ready for this. My mother has told me many stories about the family and I want to get those down, before I forget them. This country to me is the United States. Ryde, California is where Thomas Bettencourt settled when he came from the Azores. Thanks again. On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Hi Deanna, > > Yes, start with the generations closest to you and work back. Get your > grandfather's vitals first. He may be listed as Tomas Bettencourt. When do > you think he was born? Early 1800s, around the 1820s or 1830s? Where did > he die and when? > > I don't know which country you are referring to when you say "this country" > since there are list members all over the world. Hard to shift your > thinking when you are sitting in front of your computer and know where you > are, but we don't! > > There's a how to research on the Azores Genweb, but it's written from an > American point of view, although some it does apply to Canada. It doesn't > have much on the mid-1800s migration period either, but perhaps it will give > you a couple of ideas: > http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/HowTo.html > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Family stories
Thanks Eric but I'm not sure of how your information might connect Jose Silveira 1761-1811 and Maria Conceicao 1765 - 1857 . You have record of Rosalina Conceicao. In my mind, I can't fit that all together. It sounds like dates are all important here and I can see how that is so, but on the islands, They know the stories, but I don't speak Portuguese. When I was in Piadade several years ago, I found the family house and said "Me Avu is Thomas Bettencourt". and they knew I was trying to tell them that my Grandfather was Thomas Bettencourt and kindly invited us in for wine and sweetbread. We could smile and hug and enjoy the food but there was nothing else we could say to each other. I'm not sure I'm going with all this. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family stories
Thanks Cheri, Rosalina Silveira would be my Great Grandmother. The mother of my Grandfather Thomas S. Bettencourt. I'm going to have to search more for dates. I am guessing she lived around 1792 , but how do I get that information. I am a complete novice here. I even need to search for the birth of my Grandfather and his death. I believe Thomas's father was Father John Bettencourt oriiginally from France to the island. of Pico. I do have a photo of him. He was a priest. My Grandfather loved him dearly and always said he was a very kind man. I believe Thomas had four siblings who all came to this country. I have visited the house where Senora Rosilina lived. It was then owned by a man named Freitas. They invited us in for wine and sweetbread. It was lovely. That is all I know about that side of the family. On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Deanna, > > Can you clarify a bit more? > > Is Rosalina Silveira your grandmother? From when to when did she live? > What's your grandfather's name and from when to when did he live? > > There are many Pico researchers on this list. You have a name and a place, > but also, a date is needed so they can help you. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Family stories
I have just located this group online and I am hoping it will help me to write some of my family stories. My children would love to have them written down, and so this year I shall begin. My Grandfather and Grandmother both came from Piadade, Pico, and I am trying to get some information on a Senora Rosalina Silveida, whose house still remains on a hill in Piadade. Anyone know of her? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
