[AZORES-Genealogy] Is Geneology software ready for this?
California Bill Would allow Child to have more than 2 Parents SB1476(3)Existing law requires a family court to determine the best interest of the child for purposes of deciding child custody in proceedings for dissolution of marriage, nullity of marriage, legal separation of the parties, petitions for exclusive custody of a child, and proceedings under the Domestic Violence Prevention Act. In making that determination, the court must consider specified factors, including the health, safety, and welfare of the child. Existing law establishes an order of preference for allocating child custody and directs the court to choose a parenting plan that is in the child’s best interest. This bill would, in the case of a child with more than 2 legal parents, require the court to allocate custody and visitation among the parents based on the best interest of the child, including stability for the child. Sorry to be so tongue-in-cheek -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship
Just one caveat - If you are applying for a US Government security clearance, they will not look kindly on dual-citizenship status. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: documentary on PBS
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/37464731 I think the above link is the entire show - Just watching it gave me saudades! Great Job Mr. Rebelo! Adeus and Aloha! Tom -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores on PBS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoCpxnU0YAIfeature=mfu_in_orderlist=UL Above is a link to what looks to be the first 10 minutes of the show. I hope we can see the rest someday! On Mar 4, 11:06 am, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Ally said: Just got off the phone with Mr. Ricardo Rebelo. At this point he does not know when Islands of My Dreams will be aired over PBS. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores on PBS
Ric Fobelo uploaded a couple of these interviews from this documentary to you tube. Maybe someone can call him at 401-578-5700. and ask him for more info. DARTMOUTH — Creators of a documentary about Aorean and Portuguese culture are looking for natives from those areas to tell their stories about why they moved to the United States and their experiences here. The documentary, called Ilha De Meus Sonhos, or Island of My Dreams, will be produced by Ricardo Rebelo, who teaches TV and film courses at Bristol Community College. BCC's Luso Centro, Fall River Community Television and the FLAD Foundation are combining to create the documentary, which Rebelo hopes to release by the end of the year. On Sunday from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m., the creators will open their film studio at BCC's Jackson Arts Center (room H-101) for immigrants to talk about their experiences. These interviews will be the backbone of the documentary, they said. Immigrants interested in participating can also contact Rebelo at 401-578-5700. All interviews, even those that don't make it into the documentary, will be archived at the Luso Centro at BCC. Rebelo, a former production assistant at ABC who just finished a documentary about Lizzie Borden, wants to give future generations a chance to hear why their parents or grandparents come to the Fall River area. Many immigrants don't talk freely about the circumstances of emigrating to the U.S., he said. They don't think it's particularly remarkable, but often it is. Rebelo, himself an Azorean immigrant, is looking to focus on how Portuguese immigrants have maintained the culture of their homeland here, while the Azorean culture has changed since the revolution, he said. The documentary could also note two waves of emigration from the Azores in the 1950s and the 70s. The interviews are being held on Sunday because it is the anniversary of the revolution. E-mail Grant Welker at gwel...@heraldnews.com. On Mar 3, 5:57 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: If you google the raising of the k-129 you get information from Wikipedia and You Tube. But it's about a ship, not about genealogy or the people of the Azores. So I'm still not sure what Iris was looking for. But people who are interested in military type stuff would find the K-129 interesting. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Longevity among Azoreans
Well if it is not the diet, it must be the card/trump playing, the endless talking, and going to curch every Sunday. At the risk of incurring Cher's wrath for getting off topic, there are as many recipes as there are Azoreans here is mt grandmothers basic recipe:(she always made fresh made bread to go with it) 1 1/4 cups dried red kidney beans, picked over, rinsed, and soaked overnight in water to cover by 3 inches 1 smoked ham hock 2 tablespoons olive oil, or more if needed 12 ounces linguiça, large yellow onions, chopped garlic cloves, minced crushed red pepper flakes red potatoes, peeled and cut into 1/2-inch cubes head cabbage Kosher salt and freshly ground black pepper On Feb 11, 8:57 am, Emily Martin ricksaquab...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Ok..this is my first time writing anything in here and I hope I am doing it correctly...(let me know if I am not!) I have enjoyed reading about longevity among Azoreans. My father in law (who's father came from St. Barthlemew (sp?) Terceira and his mother from Porto Judeu Terceira before he was born) just turned 87 years old and his diet consists of bacon, linguica, bread and butter, black licorce, and ice cream (with an occasional banana or orange if it is sweet enough!) So apparently it is not all in the Kale soup...I WOULD like a recipe for that! Emily Martin On Feb 9, 7:44 pm, Alvin Goularte als.g...@gmail.com wrote: My great grandfather was born, lived and died (1950) at the age of 94 years in Madalena do Pico. Other than colds, he never suffered any major illness. I also had an aunt that was born in Calheta, Sao Jorge, in 1901,and died in California in 2005. I have several aunts and uncles that lived into their 90's. alive at 97 they are 1/2 azorean and there mother was from Madeira(she lived to be 101!). Records show my Bretanha GGgrandmother had a child at 42! But, since I plan to retire in Sao Miguel 10 years, please dont tell anyone or the Brits/Germans on holidaaay and retiring American baby boomers will overrun and ruin our beautiful and peaceful azores with ovecrowding and noise as they look for the fountain of youth. I think the secret lies in hard work and plenty of bacalhau/fish and fruits and lots of KALE SOUP! On Feb 8, 8:17 am, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Repost for Tina - tinaparks at gwi dot net: Is there a lot of longevity in Azorean families? My great aunt Edith Rose Vieira lived until 103 and 1/2. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Longevity among Azoreans
I have seen this longevity in my azorean family as well I have two great aunts that are still alive at 95 96 and an uncle who is still alive at 97 they are 1/2 azorean and there mother was from Madeira(she lived to be 101!). Records show my Bretanha GGgrandmother had a child at 42! But, since I plan to retire in Sao Miguel 10 years, please dont tell anyone or the Brits/Germans on holiday and retiring American baby boomers will overrun and ruin our beautiful and peaceful azores with ovecrowding and noise as they look for the fountain of youth. I think the secret lies in hard work and plenty of bacalhau/fish and fruits and lots of KALE SOUP! On Feb 8, 8:17 am, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Repost for Tina - tinaparks at gwi dot net: Is there a lot of longevity in Azorean families? My great aunt Edith Rose Vieira lived until 103 and 1/2. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Club in Utah?
I have cousins in Cedar Hills Utah, Maybe you guys can start one ;-) On Jan 23, 9:47 am, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Repost for Ally in Utah: Was envious of all you in California who are able to choose from so many Portuguese Seminars and Portuguese Genealogy Clubs that offer lectures, etc. Wanted to join a Portuguese group here in Salt Lake area of Utah. Went on and googled and was so excited to have over 12 sites come up. Only problem was that they ALL sites listed were a seminar in June/July by a certain Cheri Mello.LOL If anyone here in Utah know of a such a club, please advise. Ally Vieira Anselmo of S Miguel; Nunes Pinheiro of Faial -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Brigantin Ranalho d'Oliveira of Ferrterias Sao Miguel
Is my GGGrandfather - Does anybody already have him in Their Tree b. between 1850-1880? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Language Course in Azores
Marlene - Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention. What a terrific way to reconnect, this is defintiely on my to-do list! On Mar 13, 7:00 pm, Marlene Teixeira umblinar...@yahoo.com wrote: Has anyone here take this Portuguese Language Course in the Azores? It's at Escola Profissional das Velas, on Sao Jorge. This year the 3 week Portuguese language immersion course is planned for July 1-20. Besides class study, they also do a lot of siteseeing, on 4 islands, and actually meet speak with the local people. Here's a link to the site, with information. I just wondered if anyone here had participated, what they had to say about it. And thought, maybe others might be interested able to participate this year. It seems to be a small class, but I think it'd be a great way to see the Islands on a first visit, and connect with people also doing genealogy. http://www.study-portuguese-abroad.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da
Or in my case, it was da Costa Vasconcellos in the Azores. In Hawaii, it became De Costa. Someone had once told me that in medieval times that de meant from royalty, do from the church, da was a peasant, and di I forgot... anyway, I have never read that anywhere else On Feb 24, 8:11 am, George Pacheco bretanha1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nancy! To anwswer your question or should it be de Castro. it is written as de Castro. George On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:07 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Sorry groupthought this was to Joao but I goofed! Nancy From: fishsongf...@hotmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:04:28 -0600 Greetings Joao, I wonder if you could clarify something for me? I'd like to return to my Portuguese name since Baptiste was never our real name and we've had it since 1893. I've begun painting again and my work is Azorean scenesI'd like to sign with my Portuguese name..I want to take my grandmothers name, several of them used Felizarda da Castro and I'm wondering if it's correct or should it be de Castro. Best regards, Nancy Jean Baptiste/...Anna Felizarda da Castro Baptista Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:43:52 -0700 From: josim...@yahoo.com.br Subject: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da To: Azores@googlegroups.com Yes, it's a devotional name. Maria do Corpo de Deus de Costa Maria do Corpo de Deus = Mary of the Body of God de Costa = the real family surname Portuguese de = Spanish, French de = Dutch van = German von Devotional surnames were not originally family surnames, but later they can become one. Maria de Sao Jose = Mary of Saint Joseph Maria do Nascimento = Mary of the Birth (of Jesus) Maria da Conceicao = Mary of the Conception Maria da Luz = Mary of the Light (after Our Lady of the Light) Along XVIIIth Century, almost all women have devotional instead of familiar surnames. You will find lots and lots of Maria de Jesus, Maria da Conceicao, Maria do Rosario, Maria de Sao Pedro, Maria da Piedade, etc. Sometimes these surnames refered to birth's date saints: children born or baptized near Christmas could be named do Nascimento; near Saint Joseph's day, de Sao Jose, etc., but it's not a rigid rule. Combined with family surnames: Maria da Luz Pereira or Maria Pereira da Luz. Sometimes these combos go on and become a family name: Pereira das Neves, Pereira da Luz, Silveira do Nascimento. Other devotional surnames came from saints' epithets, like Joao Batista (John the Baptizer), Joao Evangelista (John the Evangelist), Francisco Xavier, Francisco de Assis, applied to a single person, who passed to its descendants. In Vila do Topo, there was a Joao Batista de Santana who become the origin of a vast family Batista. JS Lopes De: carmen furtado carmen_furt...@yahoo.com Para: Azores@googlegroups.com Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 13 de Abril de 2009 13:32:26 Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da I have a Maria do Corpo do Deus deCosta on my family tree - are the two 'dos' correct? Thanks. Carmen From: Marek Delacroix marekdelacr...@yahoo.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 2:19:18 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da Thank you Cheri...Our family name is Da Avila Brazil...but I have seen it De Avila Brazil...so it could be either and be right? Thank you From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 5:41:30 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da de means of. da is a contraction for of the is is used with feminine words. do is a contraction of of the and is used with masculine words. These are literal translations, so it doesn't always make sense with surnames. They are just prefixes. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, R. das Tainhas, Achada Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! + Buscados: Top 10 - Celebridades - Música - Esportes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Duarte's Tavern Pescadero CA
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1612201type=story Here's a nice link on Myron Duarte - 1st cousin and professional bullrider. He/we always pronounced it DOO-art. On Jan 10, 4:19 pm, Mary Bordi geneal...@hununu.org wrote: On Jan 10, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: DOO-art And as an aside--the people of Pescadero say (for example), I had breakfast at Dwart's this morning... :) Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Older Church Record from Bretanha, Sao Miguel and Sant...
My paternal line goes through Bretanha and gets muddled about 1750, apparently two children had the same name. How I can get copies of the index/compilation? I would gladly send a check to whomever has it to cover shipping handling etc to help me get through this brick wall On Sep 17, 3:01 pm, marra...@cs.com wrote: In a message dated 9/17/2009 2:06:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, oldschoo...@gmail.com writes: At the Oakland, CA FHC a guy who volunteers there and specializes in Portuguese/Azorean genealogy told me that when he visited Sao Miguel a few years back, he went to several of the old churches in the villages of Bretanha and I believe Santo Antonio and asked the Priest if they had any older books of church records. As noted in the Family History Library Catalog the records from Bretanha cover the years 1703-1882, and the records from Santo Antonio cover the years 1625-1880. He told me that the Priests did have several older books stored away that apparently were not given to the Government and National Archives back when all the records were rounded up. He said the Priest let him look at the books and take notes on people he was looking for (He gave the priest a small donation for his time and effort-i think $50). He also said that some of the older records went back to the mid to late 1500's in Bretanha and I think Santo Antonio. This is a very interesting bit of information for anyone who is researching their families in Sao Miguel, because it is possible that other churches might have done the same things and have kept some of the older records, rather than turning them over to the government. Anyways, I do not know if these records will be microfilmed, copied or scanned. David The available marriage records for Santo António begin in 1607, with maddening gaps for 1674-1698 and 1719-1728; the records are complete after 1729. I have an index of these marriages. Dr. Miguel Soares da Silva also researched the available birth and death records in an attempt to fill in those gaps. His research is Reconstituição das Famílias de Santo António, and does indeed fill in many blanks. As for Bretanha, in addition to the available records, there is an index of birth and marriage records that was developed in 1727 by the Vicar, André de Sousa Dias, from decaying birth (beginning in 1606) and marriage (beginning in 1569) registers, both with many gaps. I have these Santo António and Bretanha records. As far as I know there are no plans for microfilming them. John Miranda Raposo- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Photos of Ships
Linda - If you Go to Google Images and type in SS Bell Rock it is the 4th image over on the top line. More of a brochure really, but it is the only image I could ever find of the ship my Dacosta Vasconcellos travelled on from Sao Miguel to Hawaii. On Sep 7, 9:08 pm, Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net wrote: I just googled the ship name and saw the picture and information on that particular ship. Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 3:27 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Photos of Ships I'm not sure that it's either. I'm still getting a list of sponsored links some of which have nothing to do with ships. Are you trying to find the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild? (immigrant not immigration) http://www.immigrantships.net/ I still can't find pictures on it. I can't remember where I've found pictures. Ugh. It might be this one though:http://immigrantships.net/newcompass/ships/ship_files/shipimages.html Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG -www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2352 - Release Date: 09/07/09 18:03:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More info on DNA
I am interested in participating in the azores DNA project. For the most part, my paternal line can be traced back to the northwest part of Sao Miguel(my paternal great-grandmother came from Madeira though.) What would be the best test for me to take?(and how long should I study before tkaing the test? --- sorry old podagee joke ;-)) On Aug 28, 9:48 am, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: (Reposting so it doesn't get lost in the other thread): Thomas said: I am starting to get tempted to participate in this DNA thing. With the help of this group, my paternal line back has been traced back a few hundred years in Sao Miguel, along the highway from Moisteros to Ferreria, centering on Bretanha(da Costa Vasconcellos Camelo Rodrigues Oliveira etc) Where can I find out more on this DNA stuff? Depends on what kind of stuff... Ordering page with a little bit of info:http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands Main page at Family Tree DNA:www.familytreedna.com (lots of general links explaining DNA there) Summary of the book Trace Your Roots with DNA on the Azores Genweb:http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/dna.html Y-DNA results for the Azores project so far (120 men):http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Azores/default.aspx?section=yresults mtDNA results for the Azores project (70 people)http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Azores/default.aspx?section=mtres... Or just ask a question or email me or Rick Pimentel. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...
I am starting to get tempted to participate in this DNA thing. With the help of this group, my paternal line back has been traced back a few hundred years in Sao Miguel, along the highway from Moisteros to Ferreria, centering on Bretanha(da Costa Vasconcellos Camelo Rodrigues Oliveira etc) Where can I find out more on this DNA stuff? On Aug 28, 9:17 am, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Carlos, Not quite. End of line is when you run out of the records. You take the line back probably to about the Middle Ages (1400s or 1500s, unless you hit a royal line). Brick wall seems like an end of line, but the person is probably stuck in the 1800s still. For the Portuguese researcher, it may be because it's the immigrant and the researcher doesn't know where to look next, or has looked and hasn't found the freguesia written on that document. They get the records that state Azores or Western Islands. They haven't given up, they just haven't found the right document. In American research, ancestors get labeled brick walls because there are many courthouses that burned during the American Civil War (I don't know how many burned courthouses are in Canada). We don't think of these as end of line, but as a brick wall, because we think there has to be a better way around these records. I had one American ancestor, born 1814 in a burned out county. That means that there was a fire at one time that destroyed all or most of the records that are kept in the American courthouse back then. I thought I knew who his parents were, but since the county burned, I couldn't look up the will that his father wrote. I knew he wasn't the end of the line, but I was blocked (brick wall) from doing any further research. I eventually used DNA to figure out that line and was able to take it to the 1600s. In my Portuguese research, I have Manuel Furtado Marianna da Trindade. Both from Vila Franca (he's Sao Miguel Arcanjo and she's Sao Pedro). They should have married in the 1770s. We've searched about 5 freguesias west and 5 freguesias east and can't find their marriage. The Sao Pedro church has about 5 missing pages in the 1770s. We think that is where their marriage is. We don't think this is the end of the line because sooner or later we'll either find them as godparents or witnesses to something or I'll have to use DNA to figure it out. Does that explain the little bit of difference between the two? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
