RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Diane George]

I use the same method Jeremy does—birth name is the main name, with alternative 
names in the AKA fields in my genealogy program. It shows all the names in the 
index so that you can search for any of the names and find the person. The 
software is Legacy, by the way.

Diane George

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Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

What I'm trying to get a feel for...do most people just basically put the names 
together, or do they actually use the alternate name thingy in the genealogy 
program? I'm asking because Gedcom has a the Name and then they have the 
Alternate name. I have an idea that most of us just use the main name and list 
things like John Dewey "Bud" Smith. Or we use the memo say the appeared as John 
D. Smith on the census. So that's what I'm asking here.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:23 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
In my genealogy program I have an AKA field too.  In almost all cases I use the 
primary name spelling for the way they were born.  Then I enter any alternates 
in the AKA.

i.e

Jose Machado Cardoso

AKA

Joe Machado Cardoza etcetera...


Jeremy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Cheri Mello]

Here's the thing: The question is coming from I.T. at FTDNA. They are
developing new trees and using Gedcom format. He sent this about names:

*PERSONAL_NAME_STRUCTURE:* =

  n * NAME* http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PERSONAL>>
 {1:1}
+1 NPFX http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PIECE_PREFIX>>
 {0:1}
+1 GIVN http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PIECE_GIVEN>>
 {0:1}
+1 NICK http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PIECE_NICKNAME>>
 {0:1}
+1 SPFX http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PIECE_SURNAME_PREFIX>>
 {0:1}
+1 SURN http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PIECE_SURNAME>>
 {0:1}
+1 NSFX http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PIECE_SUFFIX>>
 {0:1}
+1 >>
 {0:M}
  +2 >>
 {0:M}
  +2 >>
 {0:M}
+1 >>
 {0:M}


The name value is formed in the manner the name is normally spoken, with
the given name and family name (surname) separated by slashes (/). (See <
NAME_PERSONAL
>.)
Based on the dynamic nature or unknown compositions of naming conventions,
it is difficult to provide more detailed name piece structure to handle
every case. The NPFX, GIVN, NICK, SPFX, SURN, and NSFX tags are provided
optionally for systems that cannot operate effectively with less structured
information. For current future compatibility, all systems must construct
their names based on the http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#NAME_PERSONAL>>
structure. Those using the optional name pieces should assume that few
systems will process them, and most will not provide the name pieces.
Future GEDCOM releases (6.0 and later) will likely apply a very different
strategy to resolve this problem, possibly using a sophisticated parser and
a name-knowledge database.

And here's the  blurb:

*NAME_PERSONAL:* = {Size=1:120}
[
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#TEXT>>
|
/http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#TEXT>>/
|
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#TEXT>>
// |
/http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#TEXT>>/
 |
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Epmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#TEXT>>
// 
]
The surname of an individual, if known, is enclosed between two slash (/)
characters. The order of the name parts should be the order that the person
would, by custom of their culture, have used when giving it to a recorder.
Early versions of Personal Ancestral File *®* and other products did not
use the trailing slash when the surname was the last element of the name.
If part of name is illegible, that part is indicated by an ellipsis (...).
Capitalize the name of a person or place in the conventional
manner%capitalize the first letter of each part and lowercase the other
letters, unless conventional usage is otherwise. For example: McMurray.

* Examples* :
William Lee (given name only or surname not known)
/Parry/ (surname only)
William Lee /Parry/
William Lee /Mac Parry/ (both parts (Mac and Parry) are surname parts
William /Lee/ Parry (surname imbedded in the name string)
=
So the I.T. guy wants to know if researchers pretty much just put most of
the names in the name field vs using the AKA or Nickname or Alternate Name
field.

I didn't want to tell him what I do. He wants to know what researchers do
in general and they want to be sure they pull their heads out and include
other cultures besides America.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Kathy Cardoza]

Cheri

I use the name a person was born with. In my genealogy program, it uses AKA 
names and it has its own field to input it. You can also put quotes around a 
name that is frequently used. As an example, my grandmother was Carolyn Rose 
Goularte but she always went by Carrie. So, in Legacy (now up to version 9, 
Woohoo!), her name appear like this:  Carolyn Rose “Carrie” Goularte. If she 
had other spellings of her name, such as Carrie Gularte, I would put that in 
the AKA fields.

Unfortunately, not every genealogy app imports nickname or AKA fields properly 
via gedcom. Every program does it differently …. there is very little that is 
standardized between programs so there are no guarantees what you put in will 
show up in the same way when imported into a different program.

Kathy
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> On Apr 19, 2017, at 7:35 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> What I'm trying to get a feel for...do most people just basically put the 
> names together, or do they actually use the alternate name thingy in the 
> genealogy program? I'm asking because Gedcom has a the Name and then they 
> have the Alternate name. I have an idea that most of us just use the main 
> name and list things like John Dewey "Bud" Smith. Or we use the memo say the 
> appeared as John D. Smith on the census. So that's what I'm asking here.  
> Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:23 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy 
> > wrote:
> In my genealogy program I have an AKA field too.  In almost all cases I use 
> the primary name spelling for the way they were born.  Then I enter any 
> alternates in the AKA.
> 
> i.e
> 
> Jose Machado Cardoso
> 
> AKA
> 
> Joe Machado Cardoza etcetera...
>  
> 
> Jeremy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Cheri Mello]

What I'm trying to get a feel for...do most people just basically put the
names together, or do they actually use the alternate name thingy in the
genealogy program? I'm asking because Gedcom has a the Name and then they
have the Alternate name. I have an idea that most of us just use the main
name and list things like John Dewey "Bud" Smith. Or we use the memo say
the appeared as John D. Smith on the census. So that's what I'm asking
here.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:23 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In my genealogy program I have an AKA field too.  In almost all cases I
> use the primary name spelling for the way they were born.  Then I enter any
> alternates in the AKA.
>
> i.e
>
> Jose Machado Cardoso
>
> AKA
>
> Joe Machado Cardoza etcetera...
>
>
> Jeremy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

['Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

In my genealogy program I have an AKA field too.  In almost all cases I use the 
primary name spelling for the way they were born.  Then I enter any alternates 
in the AKA.
i.e
Jose Machado Cardoso
AKA
Joe Machado Cardoza etcetera... 
Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Cheri Mello]

Marilyn, can you tell me how you would enter a Joao da Silva who goes by
John or a George Dewey Smith who goes by Dewey?
On Apr 19, 2017 2:53 PM, "Marilyn Thompson"  wrote:

> I enter their full name with an AKA nickname in all cases.
>
> I can see the problem with Portuguese names as to how to handle the "da".
> Should it be included as part of the surname or what?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 1:21 PM, 'abbykats' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Cher,
>> I have done both 1 and 2 in case 1, but have also added in the notes the
>> information.  I myself would do the same for those who were immigrants and
>> non-immigrants.
>>
>> Barb
>>
>> *Jafra Consultant and*
>> *Member of the Azores-Gen Project*
>> *Researching:  Graciosa, Azores, Portugal*
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 12:17 PM, Cheri Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> When entering a name into your genealogy program, how do you deal with
>> multiple names?
>>
>> Case 1 (immigrant)
>> Say your ancestor is Joao da Silva, but the vast majority of records in
>> America call him John and your family called him John. What do you enter
>> into your genealogy program?
>>
>> 1) Joao da Silva
>> 2) Joao "John" da Silva
>> 3) Joao da Silva and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him in
>> the Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
>> 4) Other
>>
>> Case 2 (non-immigrant)
>> What do you do for non-immigrant names? Say the ancestor was John Dewey
>> Smith but he went by Dewey his whole life?
>> 1) John Dewey Smith
>> 2) John Dewey "Dewey" Smith
>> 3) John Dewey Smith and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him
>> in the Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
>> 4) Other
>>
>> Family Tree DNA is revising the trees according to Gedcom standard, but
>> they were curious as to what people do in practice.
>> Thanks, Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Marilyn Thompson]

I enter their full name with an AKA nickname in all cases.

I can see the problem with Portuguese names as to how to handle the "da".
Should it be included as part of the surname or what?


On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 1:21 PM, 'abbykats' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Cher,
> I have done both 1 and 2 in case 1, but have also added in the notes the
> information.  I myself would do the same for those who were immigrants and
> non-immigrants.
>
> Barb
>
> *Jafra Consultant and*
> *Member of the Azores-Gen Project*
> *Researching:  Graciosa, Azores, Portugal*
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 12:17 PM, Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
>
>
> When entering a name into your genealogy program, how do you deal with
> multiple names?
>
> Case 1 (immigrant)
> Say your ancestor is Joao da Silva, but the vast majority of records in
> America call him John and your family called him John. What do you enter
> into your genealogy program?
>
> 1) Joao da Silva
> 2) Joao "John" da Silva
> 3) Joao da Silva and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him in
> the Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
> 4) Other
>
> Case 2 (non-immigrant)
> What do you do for non-immigrant names? Say the ancestor was John Dewey
> Smith but he went by Dewey his whole life?
> 1) John Dewey Smith
> 2) John Dewey "Dewey" Smith
> 3) John Dewey Smith and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him in
> the Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
> 4) Other
>
> Family Tree DNA is revising the trees according to Gedcom standard, but
> they were curious as to what people do in practice.
> Thanks, Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

['abbykats' via Azores Genealogy]

Cher,I have done both 1 and 2 in case 1, but have also added in the notes the 
information.  I myself would do the same for those who were immigrants and 
non-immigrants. 
Barb

Jafra Consultant andMember of the Azores-Gen ProjectResearching:  Graciosa, 
Azores, Portugal 

On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 12:17 PM, Cheri Mello  
wrote:
 

 When entering a name into your genealogy program, how do you deal with 
multiple names?

Case 1 (immigrant)
Say your ancestor is Joao da Silva, but the vast majority of records in America 
call him John and your family called him John. What do you enter into your 
genealogy program?

1) Joao da Silva
2) Joao "John" da Silva
3) Joao da Silva and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him in the 
Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
4) Other

Case 2 (non-immigrant)
What do you do for non-immigrant names? Say the ancestor was John Dewey Smith 
but he went by Dewey his whole life?
1) John Dewey Smith
2) John Dewey "Dewey" Smith
3) John Dewey Smith and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him in the 
Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
4) Other

Family Tree DNA is revising the trees according to Gedcom standard, but they 
were curious as to what people do in practice.  
Thanks, Cheri
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Cheri Mello]

When entering a name into your genealogy program, how do you deal with
multiple names?

Case 1 (immigrant)
Say your ancestor is Joao da Silva, but the vast majority of records in
America call him John and your family called him John. What do you enter
into your genealogy program?

1) Joao da Silva
2) Joao "John" da Silva
3) Joao da Silva and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him in the
Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
4) Other

Case 2 (non-immigrant)
What do you do for non-immigrant names? Say the ancestor was John Dewey
Smith but he went by Dewey his whole life?
1) John Dewey Smith
2) John Dewey "Dewey" Smith
3) John Dewey Smith and I also have my program make a 2nd name from him in
the Nickname, AKA, or Name Variation field (event, tag, etc).
4) Other

Family Tree DNA is revising the trees according to Gedcom standard, but
they were curious as to what people do in practice.
Thanks, Cheri

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