Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dona?

[Kathy Cardoza]

Thank you, Ângela, for that explanation.

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> On Jan 12, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:
> 
> The Queiroz/Moscatel book has some pages dedicated to this subject. I'll try 
> to sum it.
> 
> Till xviii century: Women that belonged to nobility or had a privileged 
> social status (i.e., lived with their husbands incomes)
> 
> Till the end of xviii century: Women that even if they didn't belong to 
> nobility, were able to write. 
> 
> Xix century, mainly with the begining of Liberalism and in urban context: 
> Practically every women with relevance in society were treated as "Dona", not 
> that meant they belonged to nobility or be wealthy or in a rising status. 
> They just had to know how to read and write and enough piggy bank in order 
> not to have an occupation, even domestic.
> 
> End of xix century: In rural regions women were generally reffered to without 
> this title, which becomes common country-wide with the begining of the 
> Republic - when reffering to married women.
> De: Maria Lima <mailto:maria.lima...@gmail.com>
> Enviado: ‎12/‎01/‎2017 20:34
> Para: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
> Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dona?
> 
> I've noticed on records that the wife of a soldier was called Dona.  However, 
> I didn't observe what rank the soldier held, though.   
> When my husband was commander of the 65th in Puerto Rico, they called me Dona 
> Maria.  Which made me feel old but I've since seen this practice in my 
> research.  (Whatever it's worth). So maybe  (?) they still use it out of 
> courtesy to the office?  
> 
> Maria Elena 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Cheri Mello  <mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Notes from Joao Ventura, the archivist:
>>  Dona was a title for a lady of higher position or nobility
>> > 1600s, title was real
>> 
>> > 1700s titles was sometimes real
>> 
>> > 1800s titles were less accurate
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Kathy Cardoza > <mailto:kmacard...@me.com>> wrote:
>> How is it that a woman is called “Dona”? Is it a title of respect, money, 
>> position? Is it inherited? I’ve never really known and thought it was time.  
>> :)
>> 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dona?

[Ângela Loura]

The Queiroz/Moscatel book has some pages dedicated to this subject. I'll try to 
sum it.

Till xviii century: Women that belonged to nobility or had a privileged social 
status (i.e., lived with their husbands incomes)

Till the end of xviii century: Women that even if they didn't belong to 
nobility, were able to write. 

Xix century, mainly with the begining of Liberalism and in urban context: 
Practically every women with relevance in society were treated as "Dona", not 
that meant they belonged to nobility or be wealthy or in a rising status. They 
just had to know how to read and write and enough piggy bank in order not to 
have an occupation, even domestic.

End of xix century: In rural regions women were generally reffered to without 
this title, which becomes common country-wide with the begining of the Republic 
- when reffering to married women.

- Mensagem Original -
De: "Maria Lima" 
Enviado: ‎12/‎01/‎2017 20:34
Para: "azores@googlegroups.com" 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dona?

I've noticed on records that the wife of a soldier was called Dona.  However, I 
didn't observe what rank the soldier held, though.   
When my husband was commander of the 65th in Puerto Rico, they called me Dona 
Maria.  Which made me feel old but I've since seen this practice in my 
research.  (Whatever it's worth). So maybe  (?) they still use it out of 
courtesy to the office?  


Maria Elena 

On Jan 12, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:


Notes from Joao Ventura, the archivist:
 Dona was a title for a lady of higher position or nobility
> 1600s, title was real
> 1700s titles was sometimes real
> 1800s titles were less accurate




Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:

How is it that a woman is called “Dona”? Is it a title of respect, money, 
position? Is it inherited? I’ve never really known and thought it was time.  :)


Kathy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dona?

[Maria Lima]

I've noticed on records that the wife of a soldier was called Dona.  However, I 
didn't observe what rank the soldier held, though.   
When my husband was commander of the 65th in Puerto Rico, they called me Dona 
Maria.  Which made me feel old but I've since seen this practice in my 
research.  (Whatever it's worth). So maybe  (?) they still use it out of 
courtesy to the office?  

Maria Elena 

> On Jan 12, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Notes from Joao Ventura, the archivist:
>  Dona was a title for a lady of higher position or nobility
> > 1600s, title was real
> 
> > 1700s titles was sometimes real
> 
> > 1800s titles were less accurate
> 
> 
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
>> How is it that a woman is called “Dona”? Is it a title of respect, money, 
>> position? Is it inherited? I’ve never really known and thought it was time.  
>> :)
>> 
>> Kathy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dona?

[Mary Bordi]

That's really interesting! I knew I had a (very) few Donas in my tree but
never figured out why. Like you Cheri, I thought I came from peasant stock.
I see that one of my 5Ggrandmothers (born mid 1700s) used it. Her daughter
and granddaughter also used it. But my GGgrandmother did not.

They were from Norte Grande, Sao Jorge. The paper about the history of
Velas that was mentioned earlier in this group has info on Norte Grande.
I'm going to have to study it more closely and see if these women or their
husbands are mentioned!

So glad this topic came up!

Mary

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 9:08 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I'm not sure if the title was passed down. I would think so. I come from a
> really long line of peasants, so I don't believe I have any Donas in my
> tree.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Cheri. So, it’s the “upper crust” of the Azores, then? LOL I
> assume that would mean that the title is passed down to daughters?
>
> k
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> On Jan 12, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Notes from Joao Ventura, the archivist:
>  Dona was a title for a lady of higher position or nobility
>
> > 1600s, title was real
>
> > 1700s titles was sometimes real
>
> > 1800s titles were less accurate
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
>
> How is it that a woman is called “Dona”? Is it a title of respect, money,
> position? Is it inherited? I’ve never really known and thought it was time.
>  :)
>
> Kathy
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dona?

[Cheri Mello]

I'm not sure if the title was passed down. I would think so. I come from a
really long line of peasants, so I don't believe I have any Donas in my
tree.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:

> Thanks, Cheri. So, it’s the “upper crust” of the Azores, then? LOL I
> assume that would mean that the title is passed down to daughters?
>
> k
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>
>
> On Jan 12, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Notes from Joao Ventura, the archivist:
>  Dona was a title for a lady of higher position or nobility
>
> > 1600s, title was real
>
> > 1700s titles was sometimes real
>
> > 1800s titles were less accurate
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
>
>> How is it that a woman is called “Dona”? Is it a title of respect, money,
>> position? Is it inherited? I’ve never really known and thought it was time.
>>  :)
>>
>> Kathy
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dona?

[Kathy Cardoza]

Thanks, Cheri. So, it’s the “upper crust” of the Azores, then? LOL I assume 
that would mean that the title is passed down to daughters?

k
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> On Jan 12, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Notes from Joao Ventura, the archivist:
>  Dona was a title for a lady of higher position or nobility
> > 1600s, title was real
> 
> > 1700s titles was sometimes real
> 
> > 1800s titles were less accurate
> 
> 
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Kathy Cardoza  > wrote:
> How is it that a woman is called “Dona”? Is it a title of respect, money, 
> position? Is it inherited? I’ve never really known and thought it was time.  
> :)
> 
> Kathy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dona?

[Cheri Mello]

Notes from Joao Ventura, the archivist:
 Dona was a title for a lady of higher position or nobility

> 1600s, title was real

> 1700s titles was sometimes real

> 1800s titles were less accurate


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:

> How is it that a woman is called “Dona”? Is it a title of respect, money,
> position? Is it inherited? I’ve never really known and thought it was time.
>  :)
>
> Kathy
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Dona?

[Kathy Cardoza]

How is it that a woman is called “Dona”? Is it a title of respect, money, 
position? Is it inherited? I’ve never really known and thought it was time.  :)

Kathy
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