Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco da Silveira Villalobos descendant of King William I of England ?
Doug Is you article Gateways to Royalty written in English or Portuguese? On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:43 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Hi Freddy, Maybe you got some private replies, but I know many people would love to have your luck in having some ancestors so well documented as to go back over a thousand years. You already got some help with the Minho website. Just verify each record as you go, because it's full of bad assumptions as to parentage, especially in some of the oldest generations on Faial in Cedros and places where they have only baptisms, but no marriages to support them. Some lines are just wishful thinking. John Raposo quoted some of your ancestry from the book by Forjaz and Mendes about the four islands in the Horta district. I don't know whether that has some additional links I haven't found myself. But much of that is also mentioned in an older nobility book about Faial families, called Familias Faialenses. That is available online these days - all in Portuguese, of course, but I believe you are fluent in that. For the oldest generations beyond the Azores, turn to Felgueiras Gayo, a genealogist from the 1700s, if I recall. He wrote many volumes on the noble families of Portugal and you can get back to all the European royalty there. It might also be online. But to answer your exact question, yes you have documented ancestral lines that go back to Guilherme da Silveira of Flanders (Willem van der Hagen). It comes from your Vilalobos line, that branches off to Marramaque and then to Willem vdH. If you follow your Peixoto lines, you will find they get back to some Kings of Aragon. On your Carvalho line, it goes back to more kings of Navarre, Leon and elsewhere. I once wrote an article called Gateways to Royalty and I think I have some additional specifics: www.dholmes.com/articles.html That will occupy at least the next 6 months of your free time. :-) Boa sorte. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco da Silveira Villalobos descendant of King William I of England ? From: Freddy Garcia fg.street...@gmail.com Date: Wed, November 13, 2013 4:38 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Trying to find the line with my Gr Gr Gr Grandfather Francisco da Silveira Villalobos born 19 April 1791 ancestor of King William I of England, and then there's is a possible connection with Willem van der Haegen , any help would be great, thanks, Freddy -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco da Silveira Villalobos descendant of King William I of England ?
Hi Marilyn,I am absolutely unqualified to write an article in the Portuguese language, though can do a passable job in reading it.It's only in English.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco da Silveira Villalobos descendant of King William I of England ? From: Marilyn Thompson mari...@jmtmlt.com Date: Fri, November 15, 2013 1:29 pm To: Cheri Mello azores@googlegroups.com DougIs you article "Gateways to Royalty" written in English or Portuguese? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco da Silveira Villalobos descendant of King William I of England ?
OK, Freddy.I'm answering through the list and John Raposo will see your thank you now.As to trusting GeneALL, it's like anything else. Don't trust them with your life, but use the information as a guideline and then try to track down where they got their sources. The good thing about them is they do quote sources, such as books used for the information. But they do have mistakes, too. Sometimes you get a conflicting connection but it's also because two books say two different things. In all cases, you must use judgement. I find it helpful to estimate dates of birth and marriage whenever possible with all these nobility books. They sometimes quote a date for a will or date when the king granted a favor. So you should pull out a reference showing all the kings of Portugal to see when they reigned and you will have a better idea when something happened. Sometimes they say someone participated in a certain famous battle, so then you look up the date of that battle to follow along and keep the time frame straight.As to the value to you in ordering the Quatro Ilhas books by Forjaz and Mendes, I can tell you that for me, they are valuable. But for you, I am not sure they would be. How many Flores and Corvo ancestors have you got? Maybe none. And aside from your Vilalobos and Peixoto lines from Faial, how many Faial families interest you? There are chapters that will have a few generations that contain your ancestors and maybe not much more than that. Paying all that for a few branches? Just depends on your interest level. And actually, I don't even know if they are still available. I got mine a few years ago when they were first published. And I had my friend in Lisboa make all the arrangements to avoid the same scam they pulled on me for their Terceira volumes that never arrived. I was taking no such chances like that again.Remember, most every fact they got from either another nobility book or manuscript that is available either by the CCA or elsewhere online. Most of your ancestors are beyond the records of the church. And those that you are able to document by church records are things you can do yourself and don't depend on what the book says. But there is also plenty of interesting new research they did. For example, they mention things they found at the Torre do Tombo (the Portuguese National Archives in Lisboa) that often add some meat to the skeletal information of the oldest ancestors. Whether things found like that exist for your own lines, I would have to study more those chapters.For most people, these are great references that a library should have and where you can go and extract those little bits of information that apply to you. You might actually find that a good library in Toronto already has the set. Check it out. Or maybe get them to buy a set if they are still available. Or maybe there is a genealogy group that got a copy for their members. That would not surprise me.If you get more serious about your oldest ancestors and their relation to the times in which they lived, you will also want to get a hold of books by other Azorean priests and genealogists. There are books like Saudades da Terra that are full of information. They are often quoted by generations of genealogists that followed. It's very out of date, but I did one time start to compile some of these reference titles and put them on my website. I think I call it the Portuguese Genealogy Library.Most good references are in the Portuguese language, but a good one in English is James Guill's Volume 5 History of the Azores Islands, now long out of print. I describe it on my website somewhere. Many libraries have copies.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco da Silveira Villalobos descendant of King William I of England ? From: Freddy Garcia fg.street...@gmail.com Date: Fri, November 15, 2013 2:50 pm To: Doug Holmes p...@dholmes.com No no, doesn't need to be private, please give John a thank you from me as i'm struggling with posting, thanks DougOn Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:41 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Freddy,Your reply went only to me, so a thanks to John Raposo will go unnoticed. Do you want to ask again on the list, or just keep it private?I can answer either way or both.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco da Silveira Villalobos descendant of King William I of England ? From: Freddy Garcia fg.street...@gmail.com Date: Fri, November 15, 2013 1:05 pm To: Doug Holmes p...@dholmes.com Thanks for taking a peek for me Doug, yes , not to many people are fortunate enough to go back over 1000 years, my second oldest sister Regina is by far the most excited though, being a past member of the Monarchist League of Canada, she can't get enough of the Royal family, and has
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco da Silveira Villalobos descendant of King William I of England ?
Hi Freddy,Maybe you got some private replies, but I know many people would love to have your luck in having some ancestors so well documented as to go back over a thousand years.You already got some help with the Minho website. Just verify each record as you go, because it's full of bad assumptions as to parentage, especially in some of the oldest generations on Faial in Cedros and places where they have only baptisms, but no marriages to support them. Some lines are just wishful thinking.John Raposo quoted some of your ancestry from the book by Forjaz and Mendes about the four islands in the Horta district. I don't know whether that has some additional links I haven't found myself. But much of that is also mentioned in an older nobility book about Faial families, called Familias Faialenses. That is available online these days - all in Portuguese, of course, but I believe you are fluent in that.For the oldest generations beyond the Azores, turn to Felgueiras Gayo, a genealogist from the 1700s, if I recall. He wrote many volumes on the noble families of Portugal and you can get back to all the European royalty there. It might also be online.But to answer your exact question, yes you have documented ancestral lines that go back to Guilherme da Silveira of Flanders (Willem van der Hagen). It comes from your Vilalobos line, that branches off to Marramaque and then to Willem vdH.If you follow your Peixoto lines, you will find they get back to some Kings of Aragon.On your Carvalho line, it goes back to more kings of Navarre, Leon and elsewhere.I once wrote an article called Gateways to Royalty and I think I have some additional specifics:www.dholmes.com/articles.htmlThat will occupy at least the next 6 months of your free time. :-)Boa sorte.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco da Silveira Villalobos descendant of King William I of England ? From: Freddy Garcia fg.street...@gmail.com Date: Wed, November 13, 2013 4:38 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Trying to find the line with my Gr Gr Gr Grandfather Francisco da Silveira Villalobos born 19 April 1791 ancestor of King William I of England, and then there's is a possible connection with Willem van der Haegen , any help would be great, thanks, Freddy -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco da Silveira Villalobos descendant of King William I of England ?
Trying to find the line with my Gr Gr Gr Grandfather Francisco da Silveira Villalobos born 19 April 1791 ancestor of King William I of England, and then there's is a possible connection with Willem van der Haegen , any help would be great, thanks, Freddy -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
