Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to Group Silva (Pico) and Avila (Sao Jorge) families

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes Kellie I would think you can get the marriage from Vital Statistics of 
Alameda County and once you do, and know the exact date then you could request 
a copy of the church marriage register, from St Patrick's in Menlo Park to see 
if it might give where they were from. Others might know if you can do this as 
I got all my information from then back in the time when I could personally 
look. The name of the person/priest who performed the ceremony should give a 
hint about in which parish they were married.

Susan 

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> On Mar 27, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Kellie Crnkovich  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Susan. I typed the census info in probably 10 or more years ago. I 
> had not been able to do any research for several years and just got back into 
> it so I don't know. I will change it. From the will I did get that it was 
> Manuel Pereira Silva which I had always assumed but family always just said 
> Perry. So that was good. I was hoping the Mission was better now when I had 
> tried years ago I could not get any info. 
> 
> I did find the index for marriage cert on Ancestry list wife M De N Avila 
> (Mariana) not spelled out
> Has number 4295 on the left side of the record and book N Page 431 in the 
> record. Can I get this from Alameda viral records?
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to Group Silva (Pico) and Avila (Sao Jorge) families

[Shirley Allegre]

My cousin was born and raised in Mission San Jose.  They wouldn't let her 
look at the records either.

Such a shame.
Shirley in CA
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Hi Kellie,

I am off on a trip and don't have my computer but checked the 1900 census on 
my phone:) and I don't see Emeryville It says Washington Township. I am 
glad you found the will!


On Mission San Jose, I have had a few "run ins" with them. They are very 
protective of their records and have one person who supposedly will check 
for you. Last year I had reason to communicate with this person because of a 
funeral I was arranging and asked her if she would check on a couple of old 
burial records as only the church has those for their cemetery. She said it 
might take awhile, this was over a year agono word! I had a real 
meltdown in their office maybe 15 years ago when my aunt, a lifelong 
parishioner, had asked if I could search. They told her ok but when I 
arrived from out of town, they changed their mind when they found out I 
wanted to see more than one record (my whole family was from there for 
generations). I had to ask (the info was not offered) if they had ever been 
microfilmed and THEN I was told that try had been and were at St Patrick's 
Seminary in Menlo Park. So I and many others enjoyed a time of access but 
recently I've read on this group that they no longer allow personal searches 
in Menlo Park either. It was nice while it lasted! They may allow requests 
but as far as being an altar boy, I doubt that there would be any evidence. 
From my understanding they had only sacramental records filmed (why they 

don't have the burials).

Do you have Manuel and Mariana's marriage record? If they married in the 
US... It could have been in MSJ or maybe Holy Spirit since he was buried 
there. I've seen the island listed on some marriages but not the village.


I looked at the UPEC records of Newark but did not see your Manuel Perry 
Silva ...quite often they give the village. It would be worth your time to 
look through the membership records of the UPEC in those other towns like 
Centerville and Mission San

Jose.or even the other towns just to rule that out.

I'm always interested in the Portuguese of this area where my family 
settled:)


Best of luck
Susan

Here is the top of that 1900 census page:

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On Mar 27, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Kellie Crnkovich <kelliemhal...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Susan Emeryville is listed in the top of the census records. That is why I 
put it there. He is buried at Holy Ghost Crmetary in Fremont. I lived in 
Stockton until 7 years ago when I moved to Kansas. I do have cousins in 
Bay Area as well we are all stumped. Grandpa wouldn't even teach his kids 
Portuguese he said we're American and we speak English. The will would be 
his I haven't found that can you tell me where you found it? They were in 
Washington Township. I know they had a farm that they sold for good money 
when the interstate was going in. Manuel's brothers had neighboring farms. 
Manuel also owned a bar and stables in town I believe Newark it later 
became a strip club called the Foxy Lady or something like that lol. 
Grandpa was an alter boy at Mission San Jose I am going to write them and 
see if they have any info on Manuel maybe there is something there.


Thank you

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to Group Silva (Pico) and Avila (Sao Jorge) families

[Kellie Crnkovich]

Thank you Susan. I typed the census info in probably 10 or more years ago. I 
had not been able to do any research for several years and just got back into 
it so I don't know. I will change it. From the will I did get that it was 
Manuel Pereira Silva which I had always assumed but family always just said 
Perry. So that was good. I was hoping the Mission was better now when I had 
tried years ago I could not get any info. 

I did find the index for marriage cert on Ancestry list wife M De N Avila 
(Mariana) not spelled out
Has number 4295 on the left side of the record and book N Page 431 in the 
record. Can I get this from Alameda viral records?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to Group Silva (Pico) and Avila (Sao Jorge) families

[Kellie Crnkovich]

Susan-

Found the Will going through it now. Thank you :)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to Group Silva (Pico) and Avila (Sao Jorge) families

[Kellie Crnkovich]

Susan Emeryville is listed in the top of the census records. That is why I put 
it there. He is buried at Holy Ghost Crmetary in Fremont. I lived in Stockton 
until 7 years ago when I moved to Kansas. I do have cousins in Bay Area as well 
we are all stumped. Grandpa wouldn't even teach his kids Portuguese he said 
we're American and we speak English. The will would be his I haven't found that 
can you tell me where you found it? They were in Washington Township. I know 
they had a farm that they sold for good money when the interstate was going in. 
Manuel's brothers had neighboring farms. Manuel also owned a bar and stables in 
town I believe Newark it later became a strip club called the Foxy Lady or 
something like that lol. Grandpa was an alter boy at Mission San Jose I am 
going to write them and see if they have any info on Manuel maybe there is 
something there. 

Thank you 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to Group Silva (Pico) and Avila (Sao Jorge) families

[George Medeiros]

Kellie,
I have a cousin who lives in Fremont, Ca who is a Silva through her father 
and he was married to my Aunt. My Aunt had two children with him. They later 
got divorced. I could ask her if she knows anything about her father and if you 
give me permission share your info posted 
In this email. I do not know if he was from Ca.or R.I. ? Also I am sure there 
are many Silva's in Fremont area. George Medeiros

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> On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:19 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kellie,
> I looked up your family from the info below because my family also comes from 
> this area. I was wondering why you have “Emeryville” in your generated report 
> for where he was in 1900? It looks to me that he was in Washington Township, 
> Alameda County, California. I don’t know if you are familiar with this area 
> or not. You say he died in “Alameda” California and there is an Alameda in 
> California but that is a city and then there is Alameda County in which there 
> was once Washington Township….a collection of small towns. Emeryville was not 
> one of them.
> There is a will listed on Ancestry for Manuel Perry/Pereira Silva and it says 
> he lived in Newark, which was in Washington Township. The will says his wife 
> was Mariana, 38, Anthony 21, Joseph, 15, Mary 10…..other parts of will, 
> probably filed at a later time, make ages one year older. 
> 
> Hope this helps sort it out some…
> Susan Vargas Murphy
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Kellie Crnkovich  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I found this group after joining the Azores FTDNA project I am in the 
>> process of awaiting family finder results in next few weeks. As my mtDNA is 
>> not Azores related since my mothers father was the line. He was born in 
>> Alameda County, California his christened name Anthony Bernard Silva. His 
>> father Manuel Perry Silva came to California in 1870 from the Azores (per 
>> Grandpa from Pico) with 2 brothers (I believe Antone and Joseph per census 
>> records). In 1890 a bride was sent from the Azores Marianna Avila (I have 
>> gotten many generations of her Family). Years ago a cousin from Sao Jorge 
>> helped me with her genealogy. I am stuck on Manuel though trying to find his 
>> correct Silva family. Hoping family finder will help. Grandpa was older when 
>> my mom was born and passed away when I was 7. I was very close with as he 
>> lived with us.
>> 
>> This is what I have.
>> 193. MANUEL PERRY SILVA (Anthony's father) was born in July 1846, in Pico, 
>> Azores, to Mr. Silva231 and Ms. Silva232. In 1870, aged about 23, he 
>> immigrated to according to 1900 census came to U.S. in 1870. He was recorded 
>> in the census in 1880, aged about 33, in Washington, Alameda, California, 
>> USA. In 1900, aged about 53, he was a Listed as saloon keeper. Manuel was a 
>> Farmer. He was recorded in the census in 1900, aged about 53, in Emeryville 
>> city, Alameda, California, USA. Manuel died on 25 February 1917, aged 70, in 
>> Alameda, CA. Manuel was buried in Holy Spirit Cemetery, 5250 Central Ave, 
>> Fremont, CA. 
>> 
>> I would love to find more about his family and where they came from. I can't 
>> wait to meet more Avila and Silva family out there. I also have a site at 
>> MyHeritage.com that family can join in and add new info to the tree. 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Kellie
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to Group Silva (Pico) and Avila (Sao Jorge) families

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Kellie,

I looked up your family from the info below because my family also comes from 
this area. I was wondering why you have “Emeryville” in your generated report 
for where he was in 1900? It looks to me that he was in Washington Township, 
Alameda County, California. I don’t know if you are familiar with this area or 
not. You say he died in “Alameda” California and there is an Alameda in 
California but that is a city and then there is Alameda County in which there 
was once Washington Township….a collection of small towns. Emeryville was not 
one of them.
There is a will listed on Ancestry for Manuel Perry/Pereira Silva and it says 
he lived in Newark, which was in Washington Township. The will says his wife 
was Mariana, 38, Anthony 21, Joseph, 15, Mary 10…..other parts of will, 
probably filed at a later time, make ages one year older. 

Hope this helps sort it out some…
Susan Vargas Murphy

> On Mar 25, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Kellie Crnkovich  
> wrote:
> 
> I found this group after joining the Azores FTDNA project I am in the process 
> of awaiting family finder results in next few weeks. As my mtDNA is not 
> Azores related since my mothers father was the line. He was born in Alameda 
> County, California his christened name Anthony Bernard Silva. His father 
> Manuel Perry Silva came to California in 1870 from the Azores (per Grandpa 
> from Pico) with 2 brothers (I believe Antone and Joseph per census records). 
> In 1890 a bride was sent from the Azores Marianna Avila (I have gotten many 
> generations of her Family). Years ago a cousin from Sao Jorge helped me with 
> her genealogy. I am stuck on Manuel though trying to find his correct Silva 
> family. Hoping family finder will help. Grandpa was older when my mom was 
> born and passed away when I was 7. I was very close with as he lived with us.
> 
> This is what I have.
> 193. MANUEL PERRY SILVA (Anthony's father) was born in July 1846, in Pico, 
> Azores, to Mr. Silva231 and Ms. Silva232. In 1870, aged about 23, he 
> immigrated to according to 1900 census came to U.S. in 1870. He was recorded 
> in the census in 1880, aged about 33, in Washington, Alameda, California, 
> USA. In 1900, aged about 53, he was a Listed as saloon keeper. Manuel was a 
> Farmer. He was recorded in the census in 1900, aged about 53, in Emeryville 
> city, Alameda, California, USA. Manuel died on 25 February 1917, aged 70, in 
> Alameda, CA. Manuel was buried in Holy Spirit Cemetery, 5250 Central Ave, 
> Fremont, CA. 
> 
> I would love to find more about his family and where they came from. I can't 
> wait to meet more Avila and Silva family out there. I also have a site at 
> MyHeritage.com that family can join in and add new info to the tree. 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Kellie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to Group Silva (Pico) and Avila (Sao Jorge) families

[Cheri Mello]

You'll need the village (freguesia). You've got names and some general
dates, now for the place. For more how to, go to the Azores GenWeb here:
https://goo.gl/vOijK0

If you can figure out his immigration year, you might find him OUTBOUND
from the Azores to America.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Kellie Crnkovich 
wrote:

> I found this group after joining the Azores FTDNA project I am in the
> process of awaiting family finder results in next few weeks. As my mtDNA is
> not Azores related since my mothers father was the line. He was born in
> Alameda County, California his christened name Anthony Bernard Silva. His
> father Manuel Perry Silva came to California in 1870 from the Azores (per
> Grandpa from Pico) with 2 brothers (I believe Antone and Joseph per census
> records). In 1890 a bride was sent from the Azores Marianna Avila (I have
> gotten many generations of her Family). Years ago a cousin from Sao Jorge
> helped me with her genealogy. I am stuck on Manuel though trying to find
> his correct Silva family. Hoping family finder will help. Grandpa was older
> when my mom was born and passed away when I was 7. I was very close with as
> he lived with us.
>
> This is what I have.
> 193. MANUEL PERRY SILVA (Anthony's father) was born in July 1846, in Pico,
> Azores, to Mr. Silva231 and Ms. Silva232. In 1870, aged about 23, he
> immigrated to according to 1900 census came to U.S. in 1870. He was
> recorded in the census in 1880, aged about 33, in Washington, Alameda,
> California, USA. In 1900, aged about 53, he was a Listed as saloon keeper.
> Manuel was a Farmer. He was recorded in the census in 1900, aged about 53,
> in Emeryville city, Alameda, California, USA. Manuel died on 25 February
> 1917, aged 70, in Alameda, CA. Manuel was buried in Holy Spirit Cemetery,
> 5250 Central Ave, Fremont, CA.
> I would love to find more about his family and where they came from. I
> can't wait to meet more Avila and Silva family out there. I also have a
> site at MyHeritage.com that family can join in and add new info to the tree.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Kellie
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] New to Group Silva (Pico) and Avila (Sao Jorge) families

[Kellie Crnkovich]

I found this group after joining the Azores FTDNA project I am in the process 
of awaiting family finder results in next few weeks. As my mtDNA is not Azores 
related since my mothers father was the line. He was born in Alameda County, 
California his christened name Anthony Bernard Silva. His father Manuel Perry 
Silva came to California in 1870 from the Azores (per Grandpa from Pico) with 2 
brothers (I believe Antone and Joseph per census records). In 1890 a bride was 
sent from the Azores Marianna Avila (I have gotten many generations of her 
Family). Years ago a cousin from Sao Jorge helped me with her genealogy. I am 
stuck on Manuel though trying to find his correct Silva family. Hoping family 
finder will help. Grandpa was older when my mom was born and passed away when I 
was 7. I was very close with as he lived with us.

This is what I have.
193. MANUEL PERRY SILVA (Anthony's father) was born in July 1846, in Pico, 
Azores, to Mr. Silva231 and Ms. Silva232. In 1870, aged about 23, he immigrated 
to according to 1900 census came to U.S. in 1870. He was recorded in the census 
in 1880, aged about 33, in Washington, Alameda, California, USA. In 1900, aged 
about 53, he was a Listed as saloon keeper. Manuel was a Farmer. He was 
recorded in the census in 1900, aged about 53, in Emeryville city, Alameda, 
California, USA. Manuel died on 25 February 1917, aged 70, in Alameda, CA. 
Manuel was buried in Holy Spirit Cemetery, 5250 Central Ave, Fremont, CA. 

I would love to find more about his family and where they came from. I can't 
wait to meet more Avila and Silva family out there. I also have a site at 
MyHeritage.com that family can join in and add new info to the tree. 

Thank you,

Kellie

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