[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Fixing Error in Tree

2015-12-03 Thread bsei2816 
On the baptism, I see the same parent names that you do.  Manuel was born 
on 3 Oct 1846 and baptized on the 25th of the same month.   Parish is, as 
you said, Arcanjo São Miguel, Prioral de Villa Franca (of the Villa Franca 
priory).  Joaquim Ferreira Souto is the priest (Cura). Padrinhos 
(godparents) are José dos Santos Tavares, single, parishioner of São Pedro 
and Theresa Ludovina, also single, parishioner of this priory.  Witnesses 
are Manuel Jacinto dos Santos and Antonio Cabral, the caretaker (sacristão) 
and bell-ringer (sineiro) of this church.

For Manuel's marriage to Maria: The date is 28 Dec 1873 and the parish is 
the same as above but written as "igreja Matriz Prioral de Archanjo de Sam 
Miguel, concelho de Villa Franca do Campo, diocese de Angra" I don't know 
if this means that in 1846 (the above baptism) Arcanjo Sao Miguel came 
under the Priory of Villa Franca, but in this 1873 record it is now the 
mother church of the priory; but in any case, we are talking about the same 
parish.  Manuel Luiz and Maria de Jesus, he is 27 years of age, single, 
soldier of the sixth company, infantry battalion number eleven (infantry is 
a guess; caçadores literally translates as hunters), stationed in the city 
of Ponta Delgada and with the permission of his commander, native and 
baptized in this parish, son of Antonio Luiz and Francisca Thomasia, 
natives of this parish of Sam Miguel.  She is 24 years of age, single, 
living with her parents, native, resident, and baptized in this parish of 
Sam Miguel, daughter of Manuel da Costa and Claudina Concieção, natives of 
this same parish of Sam Miguel.  Witnesses are Manuel Jacinto de Andrade 
and Antonio de Lima Carvalho.

For Antonio's marriage to Francisca Thomazia: Parish I believe is the same, 
this time written as Igreja Prioral de Sam Miguel de Villa Franca do Campo 
and the date is 20 April 1835.  I think Jose Francisco Tavares de Mello is 
a priest that issued some sort of ruling and Jose Francisco Tavares de Lima 
is the priest that wrote this record.  Witnesses are Marianno José Lopes 
and Antonio Nunes Furtado.  The first is married and the second is "sui 
juris" (single and takes care of himself, I think).  Groom is Antonio Luiz, 
son of Francisco Luiz and Maria do Rosario.  Bride is Fransica Thomazia, 
daughter of João de Pimental and Rosa Jacinta, parishioners of the referred 
to parish.

I apologize in advance for any errors.  This one just interested me because 
I've never seen military details as the one marriage record shows.

Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Fixing Error in Tree

2015-12-03 Thread bsei2816 
Joe M. is correct that Manuel's godparent is Theresa Lucianna (not Ludovina 
as I wrote).  The tail of the "f" in the above line made me think there was 
a "d" there instead of a "c".

Bill

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 12:20:59 PM UTC-8, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On the baptism, I see the same parent names that you do.  Manuel was born 
> on 3 Oct 1846 and baptized on the 25th of the same month.   Parish is, as 
> you said, Arcanjo São Miguel, Prioral de Villa Franca (of the Villa Franca 
> priory).  Joaquim Ferreira Souto is the priest (Cura). Padrinhos 
> (godparents) are José dos Santos Tavares, single, parishioner of São Pedro 
> and Theresa Ludovina, also single, parishioner of this priory.  Witnesses 
> are Manuel Jacinto dos Santos and Antonio Cabral, the caretaker (sacristão) 
> and bell-ringer (sineiro) of this church.
>
> For Manuel's marriage to Maria: The date is 28 Dec 1873 and the parish is 
> the same as above but written as "igreja Matriz Prioral de Archanjo de Sam 
> Miguel, concelho de Villa Franca do Campo, diocese de Angra" I don't know 
> if this means that in 1846 (the above baptism) Arcanjo Sao Miguel came 
> under the Priory of Villa Franca, but in this 1873 record it is now the 
> mother church of the priory; but in any case, we are talking about the same 
> parish.  Manuel Luiz and Maria de Jesus, he is 27 years of age, single, 
> soldier of the sixth company, infantry battalion number eleven (infantry is 
> a guess; caçadores literally translates as hunters), stationed in the city 
> of Ponta Delgada and with the permission of his commander, native and 
> baptized in this parish, son of Antonio Luiz and Francisca Thomasia, 
> natives of this parish of Sam Miguel.  She is 24 years of age, single, 
> living with her parents, native, resident, and baptized in this parish of 
> Sam Miguel, daughter of Manuel da Costa and Claudina Concieção, natives of 
> this same parish of Sam Miguel.  Witnesses are Manuel Jacinto de Andrade 
> and Antonio de Lima Carvalho.
>
> For Antonio's marriage to Francisca Thomazia: Parish I believe is the 
> same, this time written as Igreja Prioral de Sam Miguel de Villa Franca do 
> Campo and the date is 20 April 1835.  I think Jose Francisco Tavares de 
> Mello is a priest that issued some sort of ruling and Jose Francisco 
> Tavares de Lima is the priest that wrote this record.  Witnesses are 
> Marianno José Lopes and Antonio Nunes Furtado.  The first is married and 
> the second is "sui juris" (single and takes care of himself, I think). 
>  Groom is Antonio Luiz, son of Francisco Luiz and Maria do Rosario.  Bride 
> is Fransica Thomazia, daughter of João de Pimental and Rosa Jacinta, 
> parishioners of the referred to parish.
>
> I apologize in advance for any errors.  This one just interested me 
> because I've never seen military details as the one marriage record shows.
>
> Bill Seidler
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Fixing Error in Tree

2015-12-03 Thread brownat68 
Bill,

Thanks for the help.

Do you have a theory as to why his military information is in the record? 

Was military service a requirement of young people in the Azores? Was there a 
draft? very curious. 

Todd

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Fixing Error in Tree

2015-12-03 Thread brownat68 
Thanks again.

I know I have the correct family line now because the Pimentel surname is 
showing up finally. My grandfather Furtado went to live with a Pimental family 
in Taunton, MA when his mother died in 1931.

Todd

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Fixing Error in Tree

2015-12-03 Thread Joe Matias 
Todd,I talk to another relation of Mathias da Costa Andrade and her tree
keeps Pimentel as their surname and some keep Andrade..go figure!

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:16 PM, brownat68  wrote:

> Thanks again.
>
> I know I have the correct family line now because the Pimentel surname is
> showing up finally. My grandfather Furtado went to live with a Pimental
> family in Taunton, MA when his mother died in 1931.
>
> Todd
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