Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother's name

[Eric Souza]

That's awesome, Margaret ... I love this group!

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 6:42:31 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Sorry, closed too quickly I also wanted to mention that the mother's 
> surname is not Luis and you can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm seeing 
> Maria doLiv.ra (de Oliveira).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Margaret
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Margaret Vicente  > wrote:
>
>> Well, Bill and you are correct.
>>
>> I searched forward and found another child. See Barbara, left page.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P196.html
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 2:18 PM, JR  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think Bill has it right. To me it's a large stylized 'M' that is 
>>> partly overwritten by a letter from the line above. Then by 'a' and an 
>>> elongated R, then 'ia' that spells Maria. Also, in my view, when you have 
>>> many, or even a few, other pieces of corroborating evidence, such as other 
>>> records, and no other possible matches, etc, this evidence has to trump 
>>> whatever we think. The marriage that Bill cited is very strong, so *absent 
>>> other possibilities*, this has to be right. To verify, find someone 
>>> named Cecilia married to person of same name in same time period, and you 
>>> will have your answer. 
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 12:41:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Souza wrote:

 Thanks Rosemarie - this wasn't my original post, just thought I could 
 help with the image ... but yes, could be! Wouldn't it be funny to find a 
 connection like that ...

 On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 9:28:02 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric, I think that you are going to need to find another baptism for 
> this couple's children to make sure. I still think it's Secilia or some 
> version of it but there is something else after that, de___Machado. I 
> can't 
> really make it out but it could be de Souza?, that fits the space. 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Eric Souza  
> wrote:
>
>> I edited the levels a bit in Photoshop ... does this help? Edited 
>> image attached ...
>>
>> - Eric
>>
>> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 8:44:19 PM UTC-7, Sme wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the name of the mother in this one.  Bottom right.  
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P183.html
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother's name

[Margaret Vicente]

Sorry, closed too quickly I also wanted to mention that the mother's
surname is not Luis and you can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm seeing
Maria doLiv.ra (de Oliveira).

Cheers,

Margaret

On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Well, Bill and you are correct.
>
> I searched forward and found another child. See Barbara, left page.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P196.html
>
> Margaret
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 2:18 PM, JR  wrote:
>
>> I think Bill has it right. To me it's a large stylized 'M' that is partly
>> overwritten by a letter from the line above. Then by 'a' and an elongated
>> R, then 'ia' that spells Maria. Also, in my view, when you have many, or
>> even a few, other pieces of corroborating evidence, such as other records,
>> and no other possible matches, etc, this evidence has to trump whatever we
>> think. The marriage that Bill cited is very strong, so *absent other
>> possibilities*, this has to be right. To verify, find someone named
>> Cecilia married to person of same name in same time period, and you will
>> have your answer.
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 12:41:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Souza wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Rosemarie - this wasn't my original post, just thought I could
>>> help with the image ... but yes, could be! Wouldn't it be funny to find a
>>> connection like that ...
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 9:28:02 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:

 Eric, I think that you are going to need to find another baptism for
 this couple's children to make sure. I still think it's Secilia or some
 version of it but there is something else after that, de___Machado. I can't
 really make it out but it could be de Souza?, that fits the space.

 Rosemarie
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Eric Souza 
 wrote:

> I edited the levels a bit in Photoshop ... does this help? Edited
> image attached ...
>
> - Eric
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 8:44:19 PM UTC-7, Sme wrote:
>>
>> What is the name of the mother in this one.  Bottom right.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
>> RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1
>> /P183.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother's name

[Margaret Vicente]

Well, Bill and you are correct.

I searched forward and found another child. See Barbara, left page.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P196.html

Margaret


On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 2:18 PM, JR  wrote:

> I think Bill has it right. To me it's a large stylized 'M' that is partly
> overwritten by a letter from the line above. Then by 'a' and an elongated
> R, then 'ia' that spells Maria. Also, in my view, when you have many, or
> even a few, other pieces of corroborating evidence, such as other records,
> and no other possible matches, etc, this evidence has to trump whatever we
> think. The marriage that Bill cited is very strong, so *absent other
> possibilities*, this has to be right. To verify, find someone named
> Cecilia married to person of same name in same time period, and you will
> have your answer.
>
> JR
>
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 12:41:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Souza wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Rosemarie - this wasn't my original post, just thought I could
>> help with the image ... but yes, could be! Wouldn't it be funny to find a
>> connection like that ...
>>
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 9:28:02 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, I think that you are going to need to find another baptism for
>>> this couple's children to make sure. I still think it's Secilia or some
>>> version of it but there is something else after that, de___Machado. I can't
>>> really make it out but it could be de Souza?, that fits the space.
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Eric Souza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I edited the levels a bit in Photoshop ... does this help? Edited image
 attached ...

 - Eric

 On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 8:44:19 PM UTC-7, Sme wrote:
>
> What is the name of the mother in this one.  Bottom right.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
> RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P183.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother's name

[JR]

I think Bill has it right. To me it's a large stylized 'M' that is partly 
overwritten by a letter from the line above. Then by 'a' and an elongated 
R, then 'ia' that spells Maria. Also, in my view, when you have many, or 
even a few, other pieces of corroborating evidence, such as other records, 
and no other possible matches, etc, this evidence has to trump whatever we 
think. The marriage that Bill cited is very strong, so *absent other 
possibilities*, this has to be right. To verify, find someone named Cecilia 
married to person of same name in same time period, and you will have your 
answer. 

JR

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 12:41:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> Thanks Rosemarie - this wasn't my original post, just thought I could help 
> with the image ... but yes, could be! Wouldn't it be funny to find a 
> connection like that ...
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 9:28:02 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Eric, I think that you are going to need to find another baptism for this 
>> couple's children to make sure. I still think it's Secilia or some version 
>> of it but there is something else after that, de___Machado. I can't really 
>> make it out but it could be de Souza?, that fits the space. 
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Eric Souza  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I edited the levels a bit in Photoshop ... does this help? Edited image 
>>> attached ...
>>>
>>> - Eric
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 8:44:19 PM UTC-7, Sme wrote:

 What is the name of the mother in this one.  Bottom right.  


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P183.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother's name

[Eric Souza]

Thanks Rosemarie - this wasn't my original post, just thought I could help 
with the image ... but yes, could be! Wouldn't it be funny to find a 
connection like that ...

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 9:28:02 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric, I think that you are going to need to find another baptism for this 
> couple's children to make sure. I still think it's Secilia or some version 
> of it but there is something else after that, de___Machado. I can't really 
> make it out but it could be de Souza?, that fits the space. 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Eric Souza  > wrote:
>
>> I edited the levels a bit in Photoshop ... does this help? Edited image 
>> attached ...
>>
>> - Eric
>>
>> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 8:44:19 PM UTC-7, Sme wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the name of the mother in this one.  Bottom right.  
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P183.html
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother's name

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Eric, I think that you are going to need to find another baptism for this
couple's children to make sure. I still think it's Secilia or some version
of it but there is something else after that, de___Machado. I can't really
make it out but it could be de Souza?, that fits the space.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> I edited the levels a bit in Photoshop ... does this help? Edited image
> attached ...
>
> - Eric
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 8:44:19 PM UTC-7, Sme wrote:
>>
>> What is the name of the mother in this one.  Bottom right.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
>> RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P183.html
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother's name

[Margaret Vicente]

Eric, good job!

I agree with someone else's prior post the name I see is Secilia (Cecília).  
Sorry can't recall the name of the person who said it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 20, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Eric Souza  wrote:
> 
> I edited the levels a bit in Photoshop ... does this help? Edited image 
> attached ...
> 
> - Eric
> 
>> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 8:44:19 PM UTC-7, Sme wrote:
>> What is the name of the mother in this one.  Bottom right.  
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P183.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother's name

[Sandra Perez]

I see Manuel Pereira de Lemos e Sesilia ? Machado.

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 12:18 AM,  wrote:

> I agree that the last name is Machado, but think the first name is Maria.
> The newly available SJ marriage index shows a Manuel Pereira de Lemos
> marrying a Maria de Luis Machado on 12 Oct 1711 in this same parish.  I
> can't read it with certainty, but I think that might be the parents on this
> baptism.  The only names I see clearly enough to guess are Manuel and Lemos
> for the father and Machado for the mother.
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother's name

[bsei2816]

I agree that the last name is Machado, but think the first name is Maria.  
The newly available SJ marriage index shows a Manuel Pereira de Lemos 
marrying a Maria de Luis Machado on 12 Oct 1711 in this same parish.  I 
can't read it with certainty, but I think that might be the parents on this 
baptism.  The only names I see clearly enough to guess are Manuel and Lemos 
for the father and Machado for the mother.

Bill Seidler

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