[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Michael Giffin]

I think the term ossuary can refer to a box or a place where such boxes are 
kept.
Two years ago I went to my family village, Porto Formoso on Sao Miguel. We 
went to the cemetery to find out what we could find out. The man there, 
quite a character, showed us a bone box. What they did was bury someone in 
a temporary grave, until only the skeleton was left. They they removed the 
bones from the grave, so they could re-use the grave, and put the bones in 
a bone box (an ossuary). This was to save space. In the Holy Land you can 
see ossuaria or ossuarium, where many such bone boxes are kept.
Hope this helps.
Michael

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 2:46:26 PM UTC+11, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>
> Anthony said:
> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>
> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images tab):
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>
> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in 
> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I 
> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked 
> graves.
>
> Hope this helps, 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Anthony Silver]

the spelling is Manilla, two L's.



From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
Mello 
Sent: Monday, 20 January 2020 4:51 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Hi Anthony,

I can't remember the percentage of Azoreans who are now Roman Catholic. It's 
high. Back in the day, it was probably something like 98% were Catholic. Maybe 
someone has those statistics.

At the time period you are speaking about, there are no birth records. Birth 
records didn't start until 1911. Before that, we use the Catholic Church 
baptisms as our source for birth records. So a baby would be born at home and 
within a few days to a week (*typically* - there are always exceptions), the 
baby would be taken to the local church to be baptized. Since your ancestors 
had already left the Azores, they would have to baptize their baby when they 
arrived in Australia. You need to check the Australian Catholic Church records 
near the port where your ancestors arrived.

The Azores islands do have some regional differences, just like many countries 
have regional differences.

Farming, fishing were very common and many still do farm or fish now.

Manila? North South West? Is that the Philippines? I thought you were talking 
Australia.

For arrival documents, you'd have to check your country (Philippines or 
Australia or whatever you are talking about) and ask about their arrival 
records or immigration records. A local genealogy society or your local Family 
History Center should be able to help you. If you don't know what a Family 
History Center is, look up Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints 
(Mormons) and call them and ask where the nearest Family History Center is. No, 
you don't have to be Mormon/LDS to use it. It is open to the public like any 
other library, however many have limited hours since they are run by volunteers.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 4:41 PM Anthony Silver 
mailto:anthony.silve...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
well, apparently he was a roman catholic.
and birth records are kept in Lisbon?
hmmm, ok.
just wondering about the Azores, does each island have its own 
"characteristics" or "traits"?
also, I do know that he owned a farm near manilla, here in nsw.
were there may farming families back then?


From: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Cheri 
Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2020 11:10 AM
To: Azores Genealogy mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the coast of 
Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why didn't they turn 
back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The could have caught the 
next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the same time?!?! No thank you, 
I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!

If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be 
recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping. The 
records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was born on a 
boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized, which would be a 
Catholic Church in Australia.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
mailto:poppymayf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Anthony
Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your 
Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial, one 
of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records for 
births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records for 
births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing there 
would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and therefore could 
be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
Hopefully someone can help.
Pam

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
mailto:anthony.silve...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Thankyou Cheri.
hmm, that's something to really think about.


From: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Cheri 
Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there. 
That's how they do their records. I

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Anthony,

I can't remember the percentage of Azoreans who are now Roman Catholic.
It's high. Back in the day, it was probably something like 98% were
Catholic. Maybe someone has those statistics.

At the time period you are speaking about, there are no birth records.
Birth records didn't start until 1911. Before that, we use the Catholic
Church baptisms as our source for birth records. So a baby would be born at
home and within a few days to a week (*typically* - there are always
exceptions), the baby would be taken to the local church to be baptized.
Since your ancestors had already left the Azores, they would have to
baptize their baby when they arrived in Australia. You need to check the
Australian Catholic Church records near the port where your ancestors
arrived.

The Azores islands do have some regional differences, just like many
countries have regional differences.

Farming, fishing were very common and many still do farm or fish now.

Manila? North South West? Is that the Philippines? I thought you were
talking Australia.

For arrival documents, you'd have to check your country (Philippines or
Australia or whatever you are talking about) and ask about their arrival
records or immigration records. A local genealogy society or your local
Family History Center should be able to help you. If you don't know what a
Family History Center is, look up Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints (Mormons) and call them and ask where the nearest Family History
Center is. No, you don't have to be Mormon/LDS to use it. It is open to the
public like any other library, however many have limited hours since they
are run by volunteers.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 4:41 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> well, apparently he was a roman catholic.
> and birth records are kept in Lisbon?
> hmmm, ok.
> just wondering about the Azores, does each island have its own
> "characteristics" or "traits"?
> also, I do know that he owned a farm near manilla, here in nsw.
> were there may farming families back then?
>
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Saturday, 18 January 2020 11:10 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>
> Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the
> coast of Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why
> didn't they turn back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The
> could have caught the next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the
> same time?!?! No thank you, I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!
>
> If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be
> recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping.
> The records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was
> born on a boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized,
> which would be a Catholic Church in Australia.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Anthony
> Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your
> Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial,
> one of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records
> for births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
> Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records
> for births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing
> there would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and
> therefore could be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
> Hopefully someone can help.
> Pam
>
> On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
> Thankyou Cheri.
> hmm, that's something to really think about.
>
> --------------
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>
> Anthony S,
>
> You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized
> there. That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in
> Australia, but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and
> said I want the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to
> Australia, they couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to
> pull a record for me. You need a location in the Azores.
>
> All occupations existed in the 1860s. Labo

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Anthony Silver]

well, apparently he was a roman catholic.
and birth records are kept in Lisbon?
hmmm, ok.
just wondering about the Azores, does each island have its own 
"characteristics" or "traits"?
also, I do know that he owned a farm near manilla, here in nsw.
were there may farming families back then?


From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
Mello 
Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2020 11:10 AM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the coast of 
Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why didn't they turn 
back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The could have caught the 
next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the same time?!?! No thank you, 
I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!

If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be 
recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping. The 
records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was born on a 
boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized, which would be a 
Catholic Church in Australia.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
mailto:poppymayf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Anthony
Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your 
Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial, one 
of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records for 
births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records for 
births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing there 
would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and therefore could 
be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
Hopefully someone can help.
Pam

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
mailto:anthony.silve...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Thankyou Cheri.
hmm, that's something to really think about.


From: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Cheri 
Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there. 
That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in Australia, but 
I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and said I want the birth 
certificate of my long lost cousin who went to Australia, they couldn't help 
me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to pull a record for me. You need a 
location in the Azores.

All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman, servants, 
merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no plumbers, as those 
things just didn't exist.

I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do. Schooling 
for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in the 1900s.

You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may have 
left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted that, 
then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the oldest family 
members you can find and you will have to test multiple family members in order 
to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out the puzzle.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Anthony Silver]

what arrival documents?
who has those?
this is amusing because no one in my family seems to know about this.



From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Pamela 
Hand 
Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2020 12:48 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Yes seems crazy but people did things for whatever reason and his tombstone 
states that he was born at sea, western Azores. He came to Australia as an 
adult and arrival documents state birthplace is Faial. Baptisms happened as 
soon as possible so could be either nearest church to the port in Horta or 
Lisbon depending on where the boat was headed? Any suggestions which 
parish/freguesia closest to the ports in either place would be a starting point.
Thanks

On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 05:10, Cheri Mello 
mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the coast of 
Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why didn't they turn 
back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The could have caught the 
next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the same time?!?! No thank you, 
I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!

If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be 
recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping. The 
records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was born on a 
boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized, which would be a 
Catholic Church in Australia.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
mailto:poppymayf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Anthony
Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your 
Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial, one 
of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records for 
births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records for 
births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing there 
would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and therefore could 
be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
Hopefully someone can help.
Pam

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
mailto:anthony.silve...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Thankyou Cheri.
hmm, that's something to really think about.


From: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Cheri 
Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there. 
That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in Australia, but 
I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and said I want the birth 
certificate of my long lost cousin who went to Australia, they couldn't help 
me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to pull a record for me. You need a 
location in the Azores.

All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman, servants, 
merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no plumbers, as those 
things just didn't exist.

I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do. Schooling 
for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in the 1900s.

You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may have 
left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted that, 
then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the oldest family 
members you can find and you will have to test multiple family members in order 
to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out the puzzle.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Pamela Hand]

Yes seems crazy but people did things for whatever reason and his tombstone
states that he was born at sea, western Azores. He came to Australia as an
adult and arrival documents state birthplace is Faial. Baptisms happened as
soon as possible so could be either nearest church to the port in Horta or
Lisbon depending on where the boat was headed? Any suggestions which
parish/freguesia closest to the ports in either place would be a starting
point.
Thanks

On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 05:10, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the
> coast of Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why
> didn't they turn back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The
> could have caught the next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the
> same time?!?! No thank you, I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!
>
> If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be
> recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping.
> The records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was
> born on a boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized,
> which would be a Catholic Church in Australia.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony
>> Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your
>> Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial,
>> one of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records
>> for births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
>> Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism
>> records for births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am
>> guessing there would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841,
>> and therefore could be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
>> Hopefully someone can help.
>> Pam
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver <
>> anthony.silve...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thankyou Cheri.
>>> hmm, that's something to really think about.
>>>
>>> --------------
>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>>> Cheri Mello 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>>>
>>> Anthony S,
>>>
>>> You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized
>>> there. That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in
>>> Australia, but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and
>>> said I want the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to
>>> Australia, they couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to
>>> pull a record for me. You need a location in the Azores.
>>>
>>> All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman,
>>> servants, merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no
>>> plumbers, as those things just didn't exist.
>>>
>>> I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do.
>>> Schooling for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in
>>> the 1900s.
>>>
>>> You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may
>>> have left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted
>>> that, then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the
>>> oldest family members you can find and you will have to test multiple
>>> family members in order to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out
>>> the puzzle.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the
coast of Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why
didn't they turn back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The
could have caught the next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the
same time?!?! No thank you, I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!

If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be
recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping.
The records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was
born on a boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized,
which would be a Catholic Church in Australia.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand  wrote:

> Hi Anthony
> Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your
> Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial,
> one of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records
> for births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
> Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records
> for births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing
> there would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and
> therefore could be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
> Hopefully someone can help.
> Pam
>
> On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
>> Thankyou Cheri.
>> hmm, that's something to really think about.
>>
>> --
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>> Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent:* Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>>
>> Anthony S,
>>
>> You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized
>> there. That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in
>> Australia, but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and
>> said I want the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to
>> Australia, they couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to
>> pull a record for me. You need a location in the Azores.
>>
>> All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman,
>> servants, merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no
>> plumbers, as those things just didn't exist.
>>
>> I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do.
>> Schooling for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in
>> the 1900s.
>>
>> You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may
>> have left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted
>> that, then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the
>> oldest family members you can find and you will have to test multiple
>> family members in order to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out
>> the puzzle.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Pamela Hand]

Hi Anthony
Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your
Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial,
one of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records
for births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records
for births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing
there would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and
therefore could be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
Hopefully someone can help.
Pam

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> Thankyou Cheri.
> hmm, that's something to really think about.
>
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>
> Anthony S,
>
> You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized
> there. That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in
> Australia, but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and
> said I want the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to
> Australia, they couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to
> pull a record for me. You need a location in the Azores.
>
> All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman,
> servants, merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no
> plumbers, as those things just didn't exist.
>
> I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do.
> Schooling for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in
> the 1900s.
>
> You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may
> have left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted
> that, then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the
> oldest family members you can find and you will have to test multiple
> family members in order to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out
> the puzzle.
>
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Anthony Silver]

Thankyou Cheri.
hmm, that's something to really think about.


From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
Mello 
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there. 
That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in Australia, but 
I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and said I want the birth 
certificate of my long lost cousin who went to Australia, they couldn't help 
me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to pull a record for me. You need a 
location in the Azores.

All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman, servants, 
merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no plumbers, as those 
things just didn't exist.

I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do. Schooling 
for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in the 1900s.

You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may have 
left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted that, 
then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the oldest family 
members you can find and you will have to test multiple family members in order 
to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out the puzzle.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there.
That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in Australia,
but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and said I want
the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to Australia, they
couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to pull a record
for me. You need a location in the Azores.

All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman,
servants, merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no
plumbers, as those things just didn't exist.

I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do.
Schooling for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in
the 1900s.

You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may
have left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted
that, then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the
oldest family members you can find and you will have to test multiple
family members in order to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out
the puzzle.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Anthony S,

The Azores are divided into 3 districts. So which island again? And you are
searching before 1911 (before 1905 on most of Sao Miguel), correct?
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:25 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> that's what the ossuary look like.
> hmmm, I think I have seen something like that here in Australia.
> so, regarding the archive, where would I go for those?
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 7:41 AM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry too! He’s 83 now, so a sorrow that just doesn’t go away :(
>> Susan
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I would think *most* people would be just bones? There are always
>> exceptions. So sorry your cousin saw that.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM Maria Lima 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thank you Monica for the image.
>>>
>>> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more
>>> like what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
>>>
>>> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins
>>> telling us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on
>>> Faial) that he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me
>>> this in the 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I
>>> thought it was my great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s
>>> side). I felt so bad because he started to cry because he saw her red hair
>>> and she was recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family
>>> member had to be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i
>>> would think it would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to
>>> witness this. Have any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this
>>> custom?
>>>
>>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an
>>> ossuary.
>>>
>>> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the
>>> list to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass
>>> grave of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the
>>> same cemetery. There was a fee.
>>>
>>> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being
>>> blessed by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Monica
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com

 Anthony said:
 << is the Ossuary a building ?>>

 It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
 Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
 Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images
 tab):
 https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary

 The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in
 that case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen
 one in another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the
 archives. I don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no
 longer in marked graves.

 Hope this helps,
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Anthony Silver]

that's what the ossuary look like.
hmmm, I think I have seen something like that here in Australia.
so, regarding the archive, where would I go for those?


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 7:41 AM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I’m sorry too! He’s 83 now, so a sorrow that just doesn’t go away :(
> Susan
>
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> 
> I would think *most* people would be just bones? There are always
> exceptions. So sorry your cousin saw that.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM Maria Lima 
> wrote:
>
>> Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Thank you Monica for the image.
>>
>> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more
>> like what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
>>
>> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins
>> telling us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on
>> Faial) that he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me
>> this in the 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I
>> thought it was my great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s
>> side). I felt so bad because he started to cry because he saw her red hair
>> and she was recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family
>> member had to be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i
>> would think it would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to
>> witness this. Have any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this
>> custom?
>>
>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an
>> ossuary.
>>
>> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list
>> to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave
>> of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same
>> cemetery. There was a fee.
>>
>> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being
>> blessed by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3
>>
>> Thanks
>> Monica
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Anthony said:
>>> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>>>
>>> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
>>> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
>>> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images
>>> tab):
>>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>>>
>>> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that
>>> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in
>>> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I
>>> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked
>>> graves.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I’m sorry too! He’s 83 now, so a sorrow that just doesn’t go away :(
Susan 

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> 
> I would think *most* people would be just bones? There are always exceptions. 
> So sorry your cousin saw that.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM Maria Lima  wrote:
>> Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Thank you Monica for the image.
>>> 
>>> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more 
>>> like what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
>>> 
>>> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins 
>>> telling us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on 
>>> Faial) that he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me 
>>> this in the 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I 
>>> thought it was my great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s 
>>> side). I felt so bad because he started to cry because he saw her red hair 
>>> and she was recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family 
>>> member had to be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i 
>>> would think it would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to 
>>> witness this. Have any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this 
>>> custom?
>>> 
>>> Susan Vargas Murphy   
>>> 
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
 
 Hello, 
 
 I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an 
 ossuary.
 
 My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list 
 to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave 
 of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same 
 cemetery. There was a fee.
 
 I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being 
 blessed by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
 
 https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3
 
 Thanks
 Monica
 
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
> 
> Anthony said:
> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
> 
> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images 
> tab):
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
> 
> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one 
> in another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. 
> I don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in 
> marked graves.
> 
> Hope this helps, 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Sherry Phillips Swatek]

Hair lasts a long time.

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> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> 
> I would think *most* people would be just bones? There are always exceptions. 
> So sorry your cousin saw that.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM Maria Lima  wrote:
>> Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Thank you Monica for the image.
>>> 
>>> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more 
>>> like what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
>>> 
>>> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins 
>>> telling us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on 
>>> Faial) that he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me 
>>> this in the 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I 
>>> thought it was my great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s 
>>> side). I felt so bad because he started to cry because he saw her red hair 
>>> and she was recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family 
>>> member had to be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i 
>>> would think it would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to 
>>> witness this. Have any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this 
>>> custom?
>>> 
>>> Susan Vargas Murphy   
>>> 
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
 
 Hello, 
 
 I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an 
 ossuary.
 
 My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list 
 to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave 
 of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same 
 cemetery. There was a fee.
 
 I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being 
 blessed by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
 
 https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3
 
 Thanks
 Monica
 
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
> 
> Anthony said:
> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
> 
> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images 
> tab):
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
> 
> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one 
> in another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. 
> I don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in 
> marked graves.
> 
> Hope this helps, 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

['Monica C' via Azores Genealogy]

Many have been exhumed without the family present; my dad for example. It 
may have been a rule or more likely that the family are still there that 
would be notified of the pending exhumation. Attendance may be mandatory in 
that instance. However, I know my father's family is still there and there 
was no family present Not even sure if they knew what was going on at that 
time.

It's one thing to experience a burial. I can't imagine experiencing an 
exhumation. Extremely heartbreaking.



On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>
> Anthony said:
> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>
> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images tab):
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>
> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in 
> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I 
> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked 
> graves.
>
> Hope this helps, 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

I would think *most* people would be just bones? There are always
exceptions. So sorry your cousin saw that.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM Maria Lima  wrote:

> Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Thank you Monica for the image.
>
> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more
> like what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
>
> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins
> telling us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on
> Faial) that he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me
> this in the 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I
> thought it was my great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s
> side). I felt so bad because he started to cry because he saw her red hair
> and she was recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family
> member had to be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i
> would think it would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to
> witness this. Have any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this
> custom?
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Hello,
>
> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an
> ossuary.
>
> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list
> to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave
> of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same
> cemetery. There was a fee.
>
> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being
> blessed by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3
>
> Thanks
> Monica
>
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com
>>
>> Anthony said:
>> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>>
>> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
>> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
>> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images
>> tab):
>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>>
>> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that
>> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in
>> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I
>> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked
>> graves.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Maria Lima]

Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you Monica for the image.
> 
> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more like 
> what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
> 
> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins telling 
> us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on Faial) that 
> he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me this in the 
> 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I thought it was my 
> great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s side). I felt so bad 
> because he started to cry because he saw her red hair and she was 
> recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family member had to 
> be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i would think it 
> would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to witness this. Have 
> any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this custom?
> 
> Susan Vargas Murphy   
> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an ossuary.
>> 
>> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list to 
>> exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave of 
>> bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same 
>> cemetery. There was a fee.
>> 
>> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being blessed 
>> by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Monica
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> Anthony said:
>>> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>>> 
>>> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
>>> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
>>> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images tab):
>>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>>> 
>>> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
>>> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in 
>>> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I 
>>> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked 
>>> graves.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps, 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you Monica for the image.

I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more like 
what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.

Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins telling 
us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on Faial) that he 
witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me this in the 1960s 
and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I thought it was my great 
grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s side). I felt so bad because 
he started to cry because he saw her red hair and she was recognizable to him. 
His wife seemed to indicate that a family member had to be present. I was so 
sorry I had brought the subject up and i would think it would be such a painful 
experience for anyone to have to witness this. Have any of you heard that there 
(used to be at least) this custom?

Susan Vargas Murphy   

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an ossuary.
> 
> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list to 
> exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave of 
> bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same 
> cemetery. There was a fee.
> 
> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being blessed 
> by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3
> 
> Thanks
> Monica
> 
>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>> 
>> Anthony said:
>> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>> 
>> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
>> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
>> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images tab):
>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>> 
>> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
>> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in 
>> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I 
>> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked 
>> graves.
>> 
>> Hope this helps, 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

['Monica C' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes Cheri it is.

Looking at yours, mine is much bigger. I believe that if a family member of 
my father wants to be in there, they can share the space with my dad. 
Perhaps that's why they make it a bit bigger.

Thanks for sharing.

Monica

On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>
> Anthony said:
> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>
> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images tab):
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>
> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in 
> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I 
> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked 
> graves.
>
> Hope this helps, 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

['Monica C' via Azores Genealogy]

Hello, 

I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an ossuary.

My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list 
to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave 
of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same 
cemetery. There was a fee.

I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being blessed 
by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.

https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3

Thanks
Monica

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>
> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>
> Anthony said:
> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>
> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images tab):
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>
> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in 
> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I 
> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked 
> graves.
>
> Hope this helps, 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>

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