Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

2016-06-24 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci 
I would agree, Eric. Although she could have married some other man! She
still would have been listed as Manuel's Mother with unknown Father on his
married record.

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On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> Here is the marriage record for Manoel, her son ...
>
> On 10 January 1875, in Topo, São Jorge Island, Manuel José da Cunha, 32,
> single, shoemaker, natural son of Antónia de São José, married to Rosa
> Delfina 20, single, legitimate daughter of António de Sousa de Borba and
> Ana Delfina, all native of Topo, São Jorge Island. Witnesses were José
> Lopes Constantino da Silveira, landowner, and José Vieira de Sousa Enes,
> church’s treasurer, all living in the same village. Only the witnesses can
> write.
>
>
> So I assume she was alive - and unmarried? as of 1875, at her son's
> wedding ...
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:47:38 AM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>
>> I don't have her death record - that's also in the "hunting for" pile ...
>>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:26:56 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>>
>>> Good Luck, Eric! Are you positive she didn't get married to the father
>>> somewhere down-the-line? Did you find her death record saying she was
>>> single??
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

2016-06-24 Thread Eric Souza 
Here is the marriage record for Manoel, her son ...

On 10 January 1875, in Topo, São Jorge Island, Manuel José da Cunha, 32, 
single, shoemaker, natural son of Antónia de São José, married to Rosa 
Delfina 20, single, legitimate daughter of António de Sousa de Borba and 
Ana Delfina, all native of Topo, São Jorge Island. Witnesses were José 
Lopes Constantino da Silveira, landowner, and José Vieira de Sousa Enes, 
church’s treasurer, all living in the same village. Only the witnesses can 
write.


So I assume she was alive - and unmarried? as of 1875, at her son's wedding 
...



On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:47:38 AM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> I don't have her death record - that's also in the "hunting for" pile ...
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:26:56 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Good Luck, Eric! Are you positive she didn't get married to the father 
>> somewhere down-the-line? Did you find her death record saying she was 
>> single?? 
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

2016-06-24 Thread Eric Souza 
I don't have her death record - that's also in the "hunting for" pile ...

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:26:56 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Good Luck, Eric! Are you positive she didn't get married to the father 
> somewhere down-the-line? Did you find her death record saying she was 
> single?? 
>
> Rosemarie
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

2016-06-24 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci 
Good Luck, Eric! Are you positive she didn't get married to the father
somewhere down-the-line? Did you find her death record saying she was
single??

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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> Great suggestion! However in this case, Antónia de São José was the mother
> of Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - pai incognito ... :(
>
> Thanks for the advice!
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 8:46:29 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Eric, I'm answering you in both places!
>>
>> try looking at the baptisms right before her (Antonia's) marriage.
>> Sometimes the baptism isn't found by the Priest (forgot to enter it in the
>> book!) and the woman getting married has to be rebaptised right before her
>> marriage. This happened in my greatgrandmom's case. In order to be married
>> in the Catholic Church you had to be baptised and somehow recording her
>> baptism may have been missed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Eric Souza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been searching for the birth record for my third
>>> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the
>>> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) -
>>> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal
>>> line ends.
>>>
>>> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>>>
>>> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
>>> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
>>> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
>>> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>>>
>>> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>>>
>>> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I
>>> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a
>>> few years before and after.
>>>
>>> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> - Eric
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

2016-06-24 Thread Eric Souza 
Great suggestion! However in this case, Antónia de São José was the mother 
of Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - pai incognito ... :(

Thanks for the advice!

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 8:46:29 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric, I'm answering you in both places! 
>
> try looking at the baptisms right before her (Antonia's) marriage. 
> Sometimes the baptism isn't found by the Priest (forgot to enter it in the 
> book!) and the woman getting married has to be rebaptised right before her 
> marriage. This happened in my greatgrandmom's case. In order to be married 
> in the Catholic Church you had to be baptised and somehow recording her 
> baptism may have been missed. 
>
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Eric Souza  > wrote:
>
>> I've been searching for the birth record for my third 
>> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the 
>> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - 
>> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal 
>> line ends.
>>
>> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>>
>> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
>> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
>> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
>> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>>
>> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>>
>> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I 
>> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a 
>> few years before and after.
>>
>> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> - Eric
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

2016-06-24 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci 
Eric, I'm answering you in both places!

try looking at the baptisms right before her (Antonia's) marriage.
Sometimes the baptism isn't found by the Priest (forgot to enter it in the
book!) and the woman getting married has to be rebaptised right before her
marriage. This happened in my greatgrandmom's case. In order to be married
in the Catholic Church you had to be baptised and somehow recording her
baptism may have been missed.



Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> I've been searching for the birth record for my third
> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the
> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) -
> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal
> line ends.
>
> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>
> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>
> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>
> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I
> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a
> few years before and after.
>
> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>
> Thanks!
> - Eric
>
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