Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silva or Silveira, Sao Jorge island, emigration 1905 to America
Hi Adair, I have a feeling we may be talking about 2 different Manuel Silva/Silveiras. There was no record of there being any relatives of either Alex, Peter, or John in the U.S. beyond their own immediate families and their descendants. I feel as though had they a great aunt that was in northern California, which is near where Peter settled in the Bay Area, that John would have mentioned it in his anecdotal revelations to the family. He died in Florida in 1955 in the care of his daughter Stella, who never passed on any mention of other relatives in the States that John or his brothers had. As far as we know, the 3 brothers were the first emigres from the family in the US. I do appreciate you reaching out though! And if you need help trying to connect to any of the other Silvas in Northern California, let me know. I'm from there originally (Santa Rosa). Thanks! Michael On Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:20:04 PM UTC-4, adai...@icloud.com wrote: I have a Manuel Silva born 1/1851, immigrating in 1877,his father Joseph Salamina Silva 1821, his wife Mary P.(Maria?) born 1/1854, and his sister Jennie(Eugenia?) Solomon Silva born 1857. Jennie married my Great Grandfather(Manuel Borba) in Rhode Island and settled in Northern California. Don't know if this matches any of your information, my information on the Silva side is very vague. Adair Borba On Oct 17, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: Repost for Michael Silva, venetianphoenix at gmail.com: I'm brand new to this group but joined looking for more information on a Manuel Silveira and I'm wondering if we are referring to the same one. My great grandfather was John Silva (born Joao Silveira in approximately 1870), younger brother to Alex Peter Silva (Alejandro Pedro Silveira), who emigrated from Sao Jorge to America in approximately 1905 to follow his older brothers who had left years before. On John's death certificate, it lists a Manuel Silveira as his birth father, but that's about the extent of any non-anecdotal information I have going back that far. The anecdotal evidence is that John stayed behind (too young to leave when his older brother's did) to take care of his parent(s) and then when they passed, he was eligible for military conscription but did not want to join up. The mythos goes that he had a priest fake his death, presumably via sickness/disease, and then secretly smuggled him along with others onto a boat which took him to Massachusetts. That said, unlike many Portuguese immigrants from the Azores, John didn't settle in New Bedford, but rather took a train out west where his brothers Alex Peter had done well for themselves in Glendale, Arizona and Alameda, California, respectively. We are also uncertain if there were other siblings left behind on the island. The birth date we have for the oldest known sibling, Alex, is 1860. Presumably that would make Manuel born around 1840 or earlier. Does this sound like the same Manuel Silveira to you? Any help here would be appreciated. I'm planning a research trip to the Azores in the Fall of 2014, but would love to have a hot trail of evidence to travel back there with. Thanks for your time. Michael Silva Washington, D.C. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Silva or Silveira, Sao Jorge island, emigration 1905 to America
Repost for Michael Silva, venetianphoenix at gmail.com: I'm brand new to this group but joined looking for more information on a Manuel Silveira and I'm wondering if we are referring to the same one. My great grandfather was John Silva (born Joao Silveira in approximately 1870), younger brother to Alex Peter Silva (Alejandro Pedro Silveira), who emigrated from Sao Jorge to America in approximately 1905 to follow his older brothers who had left years before. On John's death certificate, it lists a Manuel Silveira as his birth father, but that's about the extent of any non-anecdotal information I have going back that far. The anecdotal evidence is that John stayed behind (too young to leave when his older brother's did) to take care of his parent(s) and then when they passed, he was eligible for military conscription but did not want to join up. The mythos goes that he had a priest fake his death, presumably via sickness/disease, and then secretly smuggled him along with others onto a boat which took him to Massachusetts. That said, unlike many Portuguese immigrants from the Azores, John didn't settle in New Bedford, but rather took a train out west where his brothers Alex Peter had done well for themselves in Glendale, Arizona and Alameda, California, respectively. We are also uncertain if there were other siblings left behind on the island. The birth date we have for the oldest known sibling, Alex, is 1860. Presumably that would make Manuel born around 1840 or earlier. Does this sound like the same Manuel Silveira to you? Any help here would be appreciated. I'm planning a research trip to the Azores in the Fall of 2014, but would love to have a hot trail of evidence to travel back there with. Thanks for your time. Michael Silva Washington, D.C. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silva or Silveira, Sao Jorge island, emigration 1905 to America
I have a Manuel Silva born 1/1851, immigrating in 1877,his father Joseph Salamina Silva 1821, his wife Mary P.(Maria?) born 1/1854, and his sister Jennie(Eugenia?) Solomon Silva born 1857. Jennie married my Great Grandfather(Manuel Borba) in Rhode Island and settled in Northern California. Don't know if this matches any of your information, my information on the Silva side is very vague. Adair Borba On Oct 17, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: Repost for Michael Silva, venetianphoenix at gmail.com: I'm brand new to this group but joined looking for more information on a Manuel Silveira and I'm wondering if we are referring to the same one. My great grandfather was John Silva (born Joao Silveira in approximately 1870), younger brother to Alex Peter Silva (Alejandro Pedro Silveira), who emigrated from Sao Jorge to America in approximately 1905 to follow his older brothers who had left years before. On John's death certificate, it lists a Manuel Silveira as his birth father, but that's about the extent of any non- anecdotal information I have going back that far. The anecdotal evidence is that John stayed behind (too young to leave when his older brother's did) to take care of his parent(s) and then when they passed, he was eligible for military conscription but did not want to join up. The mythos goes that he had a priest fake his death, presumably via sickness/disease, and then secretly smuggled him along with others onto a boat which took him to Massachusetts. That said, unlike many Portuguese immigrants from the Azores, John didn't settle in New Bedford, but rather took a train out west where his brothers Alex Peter had done well for themselves in Glendale, Arizona and Alameda, California, respectively. We are also uncertain if there were other siblings left behind on the island. The birth date we have for the oldest known sibling, Alex, is 1860. Presumably that would make Manuel born around 1840 or earlier. Does this sound like the same Manuel Silveira to you? Any help here would be appreciated. I'm planning a research trip to the Azores in the Fall of 2014, but would love to have a hot trail of evidence to travel back there with. Thanks for your time. Michael Silva Washington, D.C. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
