Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and JoanaFernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

2019-08-29 Thread Ângela Loura 
Great job Margaret!
It reminded me that there's also available online the book of Carlos
Machado, with some lines regarding Santa Maria:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO_item1/P1.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and JoanaFernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

2019-08-29 Thread Bill Seidler 
Thanks again to Margaret and this outstanding group.  

Bill

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and JoanaFernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

2019-08-29 Thread Margaret Vicente 
Hi Bill,

According to RR’s information entered in prior email;  Balazar Velho son of 
Domingos Velho, son of Manuel Fernandes da Silva, son of Francisco Vaz Delgado 
and Catarina Goncalves. 

The archives have files that include tree reconstructions of various work notes 
including that of RR’s.  Have a look at # 57.  You may be able to request/order 
copies.

http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1557252=maria

If RR and others reconstructed your Ancestor’s family, it leads me to believe 
that Rodrigo Rodrigues reference chapter posted in Angela’s email is probably 
all there is.

Margaret

From: Bill Seidler
Sent: August 29, 2019 5:04 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and 
JoanaFernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

Now that I've had a chance to digest this outstanding (yet disappointing) 
information, it seems that I found the wrong Manuel Fernandes da Silva married 
to the wrong Maria Velha.  The couple, with same names, that I need, according 
to RR married in 1647 is Santa Barbara where the first Casamento book starts in 
1648.  The one I found took place ten years later and both newlyweds have 
different parents than the Manuel Fernandes da Silva and Maria Velha given by 
RR.

I am hoping for some advice on how to proceed.

Bill Seidler

On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote:
Thank you so much!  I'm going to have to see if I can obtain the RR book I've 
heard so much about.

Bill Seidler




On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 10:31:55 AM UTC-7, Ângela Loura wrote:
You got the names on the record right.

I took a look at the RR book, and it says:

(...) Baltazar Velho, era filho de Domingos Velho e de Joana Fernandes (casados 
em Santa Bárbara, de Santa Maria a 24.10.1701), ele filho de Manuel Fernandes 
da Silva (filho de Francisco Vaz Delgado e Catarina Gonçalves) e de Maria Velho 
(casados em Santa Bárbara em 1647) e esta última filha de Sebastião Velho 
Botelho e Maria da Fonte. Joana Fernandes (mãe de Baltazar Velho) era filha de 
Francisco Curvelo e Jerónima Fernandes (casados em Santa Bárbara em 1658) ele 
filho de Manuel Curvelo e de Maria da Fonte, e ela filha de António Velho e 
Margarida da Fonte.

Bill Seidler  escreveu no dia terça, 27/08/2019 à(s) 08:39:
I think this might be the marriage of the groom's parents: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716_item1/P15.html
 (upper left starting on previous page)

What I think I see is:

Manuel Fernandes, son of Andre Fernandes da Silva and Anna Velha (deceased) 
marrying Maria Velha daughter of Antonio Velho da Costa and Breatis (Beatris?) 
George.

Reading around the torn pages, the date is the fifteenth of some month in 1657 
or Jan of 1658.

I appreciate any other insight or opinions.

Thanks,
Bill Seidler

On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:00:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote:
Can someone please help with this record.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716_item1/P62.html
 (left side)

Groom's parents: Manuel Fernandes da Silva and Maria ???

Bride's parents: Francisco ?Cruvelho? and his wife ??? ???.

Thank you,
Bill Seidler


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