RE: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca
I found your ancestor's record of marriage, Herb.http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1801-1831/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1801-1831_item1/P114.htmlDoug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca From: Herb and Judi Silva herbandj...@verizon.net Date: Mon, May 26, 2014 8:11 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com, margaretvice...@gmail.com Hi Margaret. Thanks for the information. Now there's a couple of surnames you don't see everyday huh???, Conigo and Xiote Sousa, right?I will do some more checking. I only knew of two children they had, Antonio Jacinto and Manuel. Not aware of a 2nd AntonioHerbOn 05/26/14, Margaret Vicentemargaretvicente@gmail.com wrote:Herb,I show Joao's parents as Manuel Ferras Conigo and Maria de Santo Amaro Medeiros.Antonia Francisca's surname is Sousa. She is the daughter of Manuel de Sousa Xiote and Maria de Oliveira.I'm not certain if you have the right child named Antonio for the marriage record because this couple had another Antonio born 23-April-1793. This Antonio would be 24 years old at time of marriage Jul 7 1784.Check out all the the information here, right side, bottom record:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801_item1/P171.htmlMargaretOn Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Herb herbandjudi@verizon.net wrote:I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguelhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html. Right sideTheir son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau. On their marriagerecord she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose TavaresIt's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau. I'm thinkingmaybe they were from Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them. Does anyone have these families?Herb-- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca
Herb,As you know, there doesn't seem to be a perfect match for the parents of your ancestor from Se, Angra.The baptism you found could very well be right, even though the first name of the mother is not matching.Or it could be that Jose was born out of wedlock and this is not mentioned at his marriage. I have seen this many times when someone moves to another island. So keep in mind maybe a Jose with pai incognito and a matching mother is the right record.Another idea is that perhaps someone on the father's side will be one of the padrinhos for baptisms, maybe by proxy if still residing in Terceira. Make sure you find them all to check that out. And if he lived long enough to have died in July 1860 or later, his parents should be listed and might be differently listed than at his marriage. Maybe they will be a match to that baptism you found.Maybe also a sibling of his also moved to Conceicao, Ribeira Grande, or nearby. So when searching through baptisms, pay attention to anyone else from Angra showing up in the Ribeira Grande records because maybe the names of their parents will be correct when you find their marriage.But I'll keep an eye out for them in Angra, too.The person you found in Se has siblings born elsewhere in Terceira. I already had them in my database. The Joao da Rosa you found had two sisters and one brother also found in Terceira records.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: RE: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca From: p...@dholmes.com Date: Wed, June 11, 2014 9:49 am To: azores@googlegroups.com, "Herb Judi Silva" herbandj...@verizon.net I found your ancestor's record of marriage, Herb.http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1801-1831/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1801-1831_item1/P114.htmlDoug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca From: Herb and Judi Silva herbandj...@verizon.net Date: Mon, May 26, 2014 8:11 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com, margaretvice...@gmail.com Hi Margaret. Thanks for the information. Now there's a couple of surnames you don't see everyday huh???, Conigo and Xiote Sousa, right?I will do some more checking. I only knew of two children they had, Antonio Jacinto and Manuel. Not aware of a 2nd AntonioHerbOn 05/26/14, Margaret Vicentemargaretvicente@gmail.com wrote:Herb,I show Joao's parents as Manuel Ferras Conigo and Maria de Santo Amaro Medeiros.Antonia Francisca's surname is Sousa. She is the daughter of Manuel de Sousa Xiote and Maria de Oliveira.I'm not certain if you have the right child named Antonio for the marriage record because this couple had another Antonio born 23-April-1793. This Antonio would be 24 years old at time of marriage Jul 7 1784.Check out all the the information here, right side, bottom record:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801_item1/P171.htmlMargaretOn Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Herb herbandjudi@verizon.net wrote:I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguelhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html. Right sideTheir son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau. On their marriagerecord she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose TavaresIt's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau. I'm thinkingmaybe they were from Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them. Does anyone have these families?Herb-- -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this gro
RE: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca
Hi! Where in Ribeira Grande José Jacinto do Rego married? :) eliseu De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Herb and Judi Silva Enviada: terça-feira, 27 de Maio de 2014 02:52 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Assunto: Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca Hi Doug I do have a line that originated in Terceira, a Joao de Rosa and Ana Joaquina of Se, Angra do Heroismo Terceira, who had a son named Antonio Jose Terceira Coelho who was born in Se Parish, but married Jacinta Rosa in NS da Conceicao, Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel on 8 July 1798. I don't have dates for Joao Rosa and Ana Joaquina and CCA has not posted any Ribeira Grande records so it's a bit challenging to do crosschecks and prove lines. I'm hoping to live long enough to actually see those records in the CCA site. LOL Antonio Jose Terceira Coelho ( is one of my 4th great grandfathers) and Jacinta Rosa had a daughter Luzia Candida who married Jose Jacinto Rego on 14 Jan 1839 in Ribeira Grande. You know how Portuguese people are notorious and unforgiving with use of nicknames, so coming from Terceira to Sao Miguel, he was likely given the nickname of Terceira. Did the Rosa family move to Sao Miguel from Terceira? Interesting though that my grandfather moved to Angra in the 1930's from Sao Miguel. Was there a connection there, who knows? Herb On 05/26/14, mailto:p...@dholmes.com p...@dholmes.com wrote: Hi Herb, If your line is Ferraz, this might be a connection to Terceira. I think it was Manoel Furtado of Brasil who once mentioned a Ferraz ancestor showing up on Sao Miguel. Might not be this one, but could be. I think he'll see the message and comment on it. His line came from Se, Angra (the cathedral in downtown Angra) in the early 1600s, I believe. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 http://www.dholmes.com/ www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca From: Herb mailto:herbandj...@verizon.net herbandj...@verizon.net Date: Mon, May 26, 2014 4:12 pm To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html. Right side Their son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau. On their marriage record she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus. Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose Tavares It's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau. I'm thinking maybe they were from Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them. Does anyone have these families? Herb -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/GC5h8lwvSxE/unsubscribe https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/GC5h8lwvSxE/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You
Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca
Hi DougI do have a line that originated in Terceira,a Joao de Rosa and Ana Joaquina of Se, Angra do Heroismo Terceira, who had a son named Antonio Jose "Terceira" Coelho who was born in Se Parish, but married Jacinta Rosain NS daConceicao, Ribeira Grande Sao Miguelon 8 July 1798. I don't have dates for Joao Rosa and Ana Joaquina and CCA has not posted any Ribeira Grande records so it's a bit challenging to do crosschecks and prove lines. I'm hoping to live long enough to actually see those records in the CCA site. LOLAntonio Jose "Terceira" Coelho( is one of my 4th great grandfathers) and Jacinta Rosa had adaughter Luzia Candida who married Jose Jacinto Rego on 14 Jan 1839 in Ribeira Grande. You know how Portuguese people are notorious and unforgivingwith use of nicknames, so coming from Terceira to Sao Miguel, he was likely given the nickname of "Terceira". Did the Rosa familymove to Sao Miguel from Terceira?Interesting though that my grandfather moved to Angra in the 1930's from Sao Miguel. Was there a connection there, who knows?HerbOn 05/26/14, pico@dholmes.com wrote:Hi Herb,If your line is Ferraz, this might be a connection to Terceira.I think it was Manoel Furtado of Brasil who once mentioned a Ferraz ancestor showing up on Sao Miguel.Might not be this one, but could be. I think he'll see the message and comment on it.His line came from Se, Angra (the cathedral in downtown Angra) in the early 1600s, I believe.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and AntoniaFranciscaFrom: Herb herbandjudi@verizon.netDate: Mon, May 26, 2014 4:12 pmTo: azores@googlegroups.comI'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguelhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html. Right sideTheir son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau. On their marriagerecord she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose TavaresIt's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau. I'm thinkingmaybe they were from Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them. Does anyone have these families?Herb-- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."--- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/GC5h8lwvSxE/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca
Hi Margaret. Thanks for the information. Now there's a couple of surnames you don't see everyday huh???, Conigo and Xiote Sousa, right?I will do some more checking. I only knew of two children they had, Antonio Jacinto and Manuel. Not aware of a 2nd AntonioHerbOn 05/26/14, Margaret Vicentemargaretvicente@gmail.com wrote:Herb,I show Joao's parents as Manuel Ferras Conigo and Maria de Santo Amaro Medeiros.Antonia Francisca's surname is Sousa. She is the daughter of Manuel de Sousa Xiote and Maria de Oliveira.I'm not certain if you have the right child named Antonio for the marriage record because this couple had another Antonio born 23-April-1793. This Antonio would be 24 years old at time of marriage Jul 7 1784.Check out all the the information here, right side, bottom record:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801_item1/P171.htmlMargaretOn Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Herb herbandjudi@verizon.net wrote:I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguelhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html. Right sideTheir son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau. On their marriagerecord she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose TavaresIt's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau. I'm thinkingmaybe they were from Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them. Does anyone have these families?Herb-- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.-- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."--- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/GC5h8lwvSxE/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
